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Federalism

Post by eden » 13 Oct 2018, 20:47


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Re: Federalism

Post by info » 13 Oct 2018, 21:56

Typical OMN/ESAT journalism. Instead of bringing different views and having a real debate and clash of ideas, it the same habit of "preaching to the choir". No dissenting views are presented. All represent the same views. Very poor as usual and brings zero contribution to the overall understanding of the diverse views other than helping everybody feeling confirmed in his position. 90% the time they are wasting on a none issue, trying to convince that federalism is good. No one is against federalism. This is just typical waste of time journalism.
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Re: Federalism

Post by Misraq » 13 Oct 2018, 21:56

Lowlanderu

Oromara a.k.a Oromo and Amhara [email protected] your agame tight anu$ beyond repair. The result of that is you agames turned around and started to $uck only the Oromo dula. Well, that alone wont save you. you will have to $uck the amhara dulla too if you want to integerate peacefully in the medemer calculation

Jimmy
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Re: Federalism

Post by Axumawi » 13 Oct 2018, 22:07

Misraq wrote:
13 Oct 2018, 21:56
Lowlanderu

Oromara a.k.a Oromo and Amhara [email protected] your [deleted] tight anu$ beyond repair. The result of that is you agames turned around and started to $uck only the Oromo dula. Well, that alone wont save you. you will have to $uck the amhara dulla too if you want to integerate peacefully in the medemer calculation

Jimmy
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Re: Federalism

Post by Axumawi » 13 Oct 2018, 22:14

Federalism is now at least verbally accepted by everyone. Even by those who 10 years ago would have gone to war if they had guts, at the word Federal itself.
Now the ones who really hated Federalism have started saying there is no alternative.
In two years they will be all singing the existing Federalism is good.

All the chauvinists and fake Ethiopiawinet mention is Yugoslavia when the facts are that Canada and India are closest to Ethiopian federal structure and set up.
Swiss are also close.

Then you have UK which is not called federal but completely Ethnic, more Ethnic kingdoms than Ethiopia kilils.

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Re: Federalism

Post by simbe11 » 13 Oct 2018, 22:17

Go to hell with Federalsm.

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Re: Federalism

Post by Axumawi » 14 Oct 2018, 00:15

simbe11 wrote:
13 Oct 2018, 22:17
Go to hell with Federalsm.
What happened you gave up.

"No alternative to Federalism, no better system than Federalism for Ethiopia" Birhanu Nega..I couldn't believe my ears and that in Amhara kilil.

The most advanced countries in the world are all Federal

You just can't crush people into one and expect development.

India would never have survived if it wasn't for Federalism. Bangalore would never have been the center of Technological development in India if it wasnn't for Federalism.

Canada would never have survived if it wasn't for Federalism.

Federalism plays an important role in Russia...the Swiss would not be such a beautiful country without Federalism...

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Re: Federalism

Post by simbe11 » 14 Oct 2018, 15:35

Axumawi,
The countries you just mentioned might be able to do well with federalism because they don’t have a history to share between their people. But a country like ours should not follow their suit. We actually should not try to fit any ones mold.
And as far as crushing the people claim, that’s not what I wanted to us to be. There were all the tribes of Ethiopia and always be. But we should have a united country. One Ethiopia one people. It does not necessarily mean one tribe.

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Re: Federalism

Post by Axumawi » 14 Oct 2018, 15:47

simbe11 wrote:
14 Oct 2018, 15:35
Axumawi,
The countries you just mentioned might be able to do well with federalism because they don’t have a history to share between their people. But a country like ours should not follow their suit. We actually should not try to fit any ones mold.
And as far as crushing the people claim, that’s not what I wanted to us to be. There were all the tribes of Ethiopia and always be. But we should have a united country. One Ethiopia one people. It does not necessarily mean one tribe.
Every country's structure is slightly different from one to the other.

For example a Province in Canada could separate by vote of 50%+1 unitl 10 years ago. This was very easy to achieve for separatists. They changed the law and agreed to make it 66.6% the exact same like Ethiopia which has done this 10 years before Canada.

You can always improve upon it.

As a Tigrean its a cultural thing. I don't want to see a wreda gedj from anywhere outside that wereda. Period. that what it has been for thusand years since each zone had its own local laws until Hatse Haileslassie brought fitha biher.

Autonomy is key to everything. Whether one does it by criterion that fits the country at a given time.

Nationalities question was most important at that time after Land to the Tiller (mostly central and South question which Derg resolved). So EPRDF came up with this solution based on Derg study and Derg had already started..like Aseb admin outside Wollo. Too little too late.

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Re: Federalism

Post by Naga Tuma » 14 Oct 2018, 15:59

Axumawi wrote:
13 Oct 2018, 22:14
Federalism is now at least verbally accepted by everyone. Even by those who 10 years ago would have gone to war if they had guts, at the word Federal itself.
Now the ones who really hated Federalism have started saying there is no alternative.
In two years they will be all singing the existing Federalism is good.

All the chauvinists and fake Ethiopiawinet mention is Yugoslavia when the facts are that Canada and India are closest to Ethiopian federal structure and set up.
Swiss are also close.

Then you have UK which is not called federal but completely Ethnic, more Ethnic kingdoms than Ethiopia kilils.
If I understood them correctly, there have been systems and there have been arguments about how well the systems functioned.
There was the system of ጠቅላይ ግዛት. There was ክፍል as in ክፍለ ሃገር before there was ክልል. ክፍል sounds more classy than ክልል. ራስ ገዝ was introduced before it came to an end. There were ንጉሶች under a ንጉሰ ነገስት before there were regional Presidents under the Federal system. I don't even know which local word describes the English word Federalism. Even the terms we use appear to be moving away over time from their local roots. So is this really about a system or how well the system functions for the constituents?

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Re: Federalism

Post by Axumawi » 14 Oct 2018, 16:27

Naga Tuma wrote:
14 Oct 2018, 15:59
Axumawi wrote:
13 Oct 2018, 22:14
Federalism is now at least verbally accepted by everyone. Even by those who 10 years ago would have gone to war if they had guts, at the word Federal itself.
Now the ones who really hated Federalism have started saying there is no alternative.
In two years they will be all singing the existing Federalism is good.

All the chauvinists and fake Ethiopiawinet mention is Yugoslavia when the facts are that Canada and India are closest to Ethiopian federal structure and set up.
Swiss are also close.

Then you have UK which is not called federal but completely Ethnic, more Ethnic kingdoms than Ethiopia kilils.
If I understood them correctly, there have been systems and there have been arguments about how well the systems functioned.
There was the system of ጠቅላይ ግዛት. There was ክፍል as in ክፍለ ሃገር before there was ክልል. ክፍል sounds more classy than ክልል. ራስ ገዝ was introduced before it came to an end. There were ንጉሶች under a ንጉሰ ነገስት before there were regional Presidents under the Federal system. I don't even know which local word describes the English word Federalism. Even the terms we use appear to be moving away over time from their local roots. So is this really about a system or how well the system functions for the constituents?
We also had Niguse Negest without a single Negus submitting to the Emperor.
Teqlay Gizat in the north was more or less the kingdoms and gizeats that existed before Hatse Menelik rearranged everything. Even though the names were kept except one - Semiyenina Tigray which included Kassala and half of Eritrea. The rest of the changes were done to punish one and reward the other.

Tigray for example was changed 3 times, Afar as well the same. This was done after 1st Weyannie. Tigray under Ras Mekonen was different than Tigray under Ras Mengesha.....

It was never done by administrative convenience, geography..etc. Example: almost half of Afar kilil now was Tigray Province before EPRDF. The Afar were put under 5 provinces and one small autonomous region. This was pure punishment retribution no other reason.

The Only time reason was enumerated criterion every body knows was the existing.

Federalism I think has become word that is now universal..not sure why. All our words are related to Empire, Gizeat, KIngdom, Sultanate..etc
Sultan has made a comeback in Afar kilil. They restored the Sultan. I like it. I hope Tigray and Gojjam follow suite. Wollo will be difficult now, even the two houses of Wollo may not agree. Lij Iyasu grandson is still claiming the crown. The Haileslassie family are also claiming.

The current Federal system will work well in the end. What happens is as capacity increases everyone will be autonomous, even city states will be possible. As functions are devolved to kilils and from kilil to zones...the responsibility increases with responsibility comes negotiation.

Trust me if somebody is told building this road, the hospital ..is your responsibility and you have to provide one nurse per 10,000 people is must by Federation...the next day you have peace and negotiations.

Now everybody wants rights only and that does not allow compromise.

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Re: Federalism

Post by Ethoash » 16 Oct 2018, 11:13

what is federalism?

why not Mr, Aklilu habte wold explain to us what federalism means or king of king


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Re: Federalism

Post by Axumawi » 16 Oct 2018, 11:29

Believe it or not one governor, very gutsy and courageous man, who lost brothers in the patriotic war, who was governor of Eritrea for some time, had proposed to the Hatse Haileslassie and fellow governors that Ethiopia can only have peace and development with Federal system.

Hatse Haileslassie put him under unofficial house arrest, put him in some useless senate/assembly and to add injury to insult Derg killed him. He was Gojjamie same as Belay Zeleqe.

His name: Leul Ras Asrate Kassa.

This current Ethiopia has been so unlucky with Emperors too selfish and can't see beyond their noses. Emperors who trusted Europeans for their survival than their people.

During Hatse Minelik same thing happened. His trade minister Negadras Gebrehwot proposed that Ethiopia with all natural resources should not have trade deficit, why not kick one of these Europeans and get a port and why don't we copy from Japan which is an Emperial country like us. He was lucky to have Etegie Tsehaytu who negotiated his Exile rather than kill him and he was exiled went to Sudan.

Leul Ras Asrate Kassa for sure would have saved the country, crown rule and achieved development. The Famine would not have happened, since he was rebel type himself, would not have punished Wollo. Hatse Haileslassie had too much vendetta on Wollo/Tigray.

Federalism was solution then, only solution and solution no only one. EPRDF had copy od Leul Ras Asate Kassa proposal which was bound, not sure if the EPRDF government has put it in university libraries which would be great idea.

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Re: Federalism

Post by Ethoash » 16 Oct 2018, 11:37

Axum,

now the trap is set their own blood and flash said fed. system is the way to go .. the video said it they cant deny it... king of king means every region have their own king that means each 9 state will have their own governor or king and the fed. govt. will be king of king ... now i want to see how Dr. realbull going to twist this logic .. they will love it or not they going to drink the fed. system cool aid

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