I think Oromos should think twice before decding for Qubbe.
Geez alphabet might be better to use, not Amharic alphabete a Geez ha more alphabete.
Besides, many Oromo nationalit have died for Ethiopia and many Oromo have been using Geez alphabete.
Many Oromo are Orthodox chritian and would need to use Geez to read the Holy Bible and communicate with the Clergy.
We should find a middle way.
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Are Eritreans, Ethiopians, Habeshas, Somalis, Horn of Africa people, and other East Africans “Black ?” (Long Story Short, We’re “Black” but …)
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Eritreans, Ethiopians, Somalis, Habeshas, Horn of Africa people, and other East Africans are “Black.” No one in these cultures and countries use the term “Black” to identify themselves though, it is actually a Western and Eurocentric concept. Most people in these areas and cultures use their pan-ethnicity, country, national origin, and/or ethnicity (when appropriate) to identify themselves.
One reason why recent Eritreans, Ethiopians, and other Horn/North-East African immigrants don’t use the term “Black” is because they do not want to be associated with the bad stereotypes on Black-African-Americans.
Another reason could be because African Americans and West Africans deny our African/Black ancestry, culture, and heritage, because we do not look like the stereotypical African person perpetuated by the West. West Africans and African Americans dominate the perception of what it means to be Black.
Some White-European-Americans, Black-African-Americans, Europeans, and West Africans believe that Africa is one [deleted] place where all Africans look the same and have similar features. Even though Africa has a wider diversity than any other continent in the World.
Most West Africans and African Americans have “kinki/nappy” hair while Most (not all) Horn of Africa peoples have curlier (or even sometimes straight) hair. Because the stereotypical West African look is more dominant in Western Culture, most people automatically assume we are not Black (also because this concept of “Black” rarely exists in these cultures, some people will mistakenly go along with this Western and Eurocetric idea).
While if you see a German or Ukrainian with blond hair, then see an Irish person with red hair, then you encounter an Italian with black hair, you automatically say they are all White/European. Why can’t you use this same concept on Africa and Africans.
On another note Eritreans, Ethiopians, and some other East Africans, and Horn of Africa people have completely different cultures from the rest of Africa, to the extent that some Westerners forget that they are even in what Westerners (Mostly European-American people but also African Americans ) thought Africa would look like.
Videos That Explain This Much Better:
The title of the Video bellow “I’M NOT BLACK | Helen Haile” is sarcastic (she believes we are Black)
The title of the Video bellow is “Are East Africans Considered Black? Somali & Sudanese | Susu & Hibs”
The title of the Video bellow is “East Africans Aren’t Black? Really?”
The title of the Video bellow is “WHAT ARE WE IF WE’RE NOT CONSIDERED BLACK ? — East African Edition”
[Update 1.3.2019 (from Instagram Comments)| We (Habesha ሐበሻ people/Horn Africans/East Africans) are of course Black but the term “Black” as an ethno-racial identity is a western (mostly but not always American) political construct. Using the term “Black” as an ethno-racial identity in a small East African town is impractical because everyone is Black, people would uses more culturally appropriate terms like a persons individual ethnicity, nationality/national origin, a pan-ethnicity, the province they come from, or the general region they come from, (this is all dependent on the context of the situation), if you don’t come into contact with Westerners (Europeans and Black & White Americans alike) regularly, you wouldn’t have an experience with labeling yourself or being labeled by the socio-political constructed identity “Black”. Horn Africans who live in the West have to adapt to this new concept of a Black identity (like I have accepted), while the ones who live back home would rarely come into a situation where they may meet someone who thinks of race/ethnicity as Black-White binary (equating Blackness & Dark skin solely with African American culture). Sometimes some people don’t know that Black people (those with ancestors from Africa) come in many different types of features and not all Black/African populations look the same. The same way some Russians look different from tanner southerners Italians or that some Irish people have Red hair while some Italians have black hair or some Germans have blond hair. Some Africans have kiniki/nappy hair while other Africans have curly hair. Some people (some Whites, African Americans, and some West Africans) try to deny us (Horn Africans; Somalis, Amhara, Tigray, Afar, Saho, Oromo, etc.) our Black Africa heritage and identity by saying that just because we look slightly different that we must have some sort of Arab or (this is far fetched but some people actually believe this) or that we have some sort of White European blood in us, and then start to question if we’re Black, while in fact we are Black Africans (even though some people don’t always encounter that term as a personal racio-cultural identity).
I hate it when people say we aren’t Black / Black enough.:
Can these people stop with this fake thing saying that Northern Ethio-Eritreans (Amhara, Tigray, etc.) are mixed with Arab when they are not. Y’all, you guys should also know that ignorant West Africans, African Americans, and White people (Europeans/European Americans) believe that Somalis, Oromos, etc. are mixed with Arabs as well when they are not. Just search up “Are Somalis Black?” on Google, there are a bunch of ignorant people that believe that Horn Africans/East Africans (Amharas, Somalis, some Anuaks, etc. alike) are mixed with Arab or White/European when in actuality we are Black and that Black Africans come in different features just like White Europeans come in different features dependent on which region of Europe they come from. Ethiopians look different from Nigerians the same way Russians look different from tanner southern Italians but both Russians and Italians are considered White while for Somalis, Ethiopians, Eritreans, and Sudanese people our Blackness comes into question.
(2) “Why do you think people view East Africans as non-blacks?: ‘In terms of our physical features we [sometimes] differ from most other African countries so may be its this? But then you need to ask what black is and its definition. It’s like saying Chinese people aren’t the real Asians because they aren’t Indians. Since when did black mean one shade of skin, one type of facial feature [, or] one type of hair texture.’” (Article title: “YOU’RE NOT REALLY BLACK” | DAUGHTER OF THE HORN ; https://daughterofthehorn.blog/2016/03/ ... lly-black/)
[Quote From Instagram: @habesha_union to @alefehelen & @_brook_y ]: No, we know we are Black, the West Africans and ~1890s Racist White European German Anthropologist (like Hiob Ludolf, Edward Ullendorff, Eduard Glaser, etc.) try to say we’re not Black when we actually are. {“Black” as a race or personal identity is a completely foreign concept for most average Ethiopians, Eritreans, Somalis, Sudanese, and FOBs (Fresh Off the Boat: an North American English informal slang term for ‘recent immigrants’) who haven’t lived in the West or come into contact with Western Media.}, {And the idea that ‘Ethiopians are mixed with Arabs’ is an unsubstantiated false claim made by German Anthropologist in the ~1890s (like Ludolf & Uledorf) at a time when White people thought that Africans/Black people were ‘uncivilized non-human savage animals’ and that Ethiopians didn’t fit into their stereotypes so the tried to make everyone think that Horn Africans aren’t Black instead of admitting to their mistake and even some Horn Africans believed them let alone West Africans and White people.} Then they end up indoctrinating Horn Africans (Somalis, Ethiopians, Eritreans, /Habesha/, etc.) making us doubt our own Blackness/Africanness.”
[Quote From Instagram: @yelenyim ]: “This [deleted] is embarrassing af!!!
“Habesha” similar to Hispanic/Latino is about a shared culture/region… it is not about race!!!! 
WE’RE
FUCKING
BLACK
Even with [supposed (but unsubstantiated)] admixture from Arabs&Jews we tend to be mostly [if not all] sub-Sharan African…. when considering the population as a whole this is very apparent. Obviously there r exceptions but they r rare. So please stop bringing shame to us all with all this “I’m black not Habesha” bs and understand that you’re likely both.”
[@habesha_union addressing @lydia_michaellllll and @ladyelsabel]: “Y’all know that these Ancestry DNA tests always confuse/can’t differentiate between East Africans (specifically Horn Africans) and Middle Easterners/Western Asians (specifically Arabs). One of the reasons why is because they have limited data on Horn Africans and they compare Nilo-Cushitic (Northeast Africa-Horn of Africa)
(Most of these statements — — comes from the comments section of BunaTime (@habeshacomedies)’s video post asking people to comment on this video. While others come from Elsabel @ladyelsabel an Eritrean of London, England, United Kingdom-UK’s post — ) ].
[Edit 2/21/2019: Comment taken from YouTube (link bellow)
By @habts02 (YouTube):
“This question is ridiculous. What is your definition of ‘Black’??? Please understand that ‘Black’ is a COLOR, and not a nationality or ethnic group!!! Race is a construct created by Caucasians. Non-Westerners do not understand and/or embrace this. It’s Americans that use color or ‘race’ to identify themselves, and most African-Americans identify themselves as ‘Black’. Look through the bible, and notice that you will NEVER see people identified by ‘black’, ‘white’ or ‘yellow’. The rest of the Non-Western world identify by your nationality or ethnic group. It is ridiculous to ask an African or anyone else this question. If you ask an Asian how they identify you will never hear ‘Yellow’. They will tell you Korean, or Japanese, etc… If you want to identify as ‘Black’ then that is your prerogative, but ‘race’ is not used or even understood in the rest of the world.
Then you’re asking him if Ethiopians and Eritreans are ‘mixed’ and not original Africans because they most are not as dark as some other ethnic groups? African-Americans are ‘mixed’. Your questions are very rude and intentionally divisive- “Why did Ethiopia and Eritrea war?” “Are you mixed?” “Why are Ethiopians the most arrogant?” “What are you stereotypes against Africa-Americans?” You want him to say he considers himself Arab, that he has no respect for African-Americans, that Ethiopians are arrogant and that as an Eritrean he hates Ethiopians- none of which he did. The bottom line is that ‘Black’ is NOT YOUR nationality, but if you choose to label yourself as such we will not chastise you, nor tell you that you lack knowledge of self and have an identity crisis. Africans know that we are labeled as Black when we come to America, but we know that is a way of wiping out our true identities which are linked to our ethnic groups, nationalities, language, cultures and customs.
The real issue/question is- Why is it sooo important for African-Americans to hear Africans identify as Black and not state our countries?
Carribean people don’t have this issue. When Africans meet they ask each other where they are from and are never offended by their answers: Nigerian, Ghanaian, Ethiopian, etc.”
By @SylviasWorld (YouTube):
“I think Africans don’t see themselves generally as Black because their national and tribal identity is what defines them and it’s a foreign concept to be honest. The concept of Black in the west is BECAUSE there are lots of different races, so everyone has to have a compartment. Even Chimamanda Adichie said the same that she only heard the term Black when she came to America. I don’t think any Black American can really talk about and impose themselves as the custodian of who is black and who is not due to race mixing because most have a non African ancestor due to slavery no matter what skin tone they are today. In Africa Black means dark actually and not Black as a race as it does in the west.”
By @yorsalem ambasajer (YouTube):
“lol this is funny . i am fully eritrean ( i know my grandparents names and their grandparents names and so on and they are all eritrean names not arabic) . but i am light skin with long curly hair so i get mistaken for being mixed and my sister is brown with really long hair and when she straightens her hair she gets mistaken for being asian . my grandpa is light skin like me with green eyes . but his eyes pop out cause it looks unusual. Because of the climate in eritrea and ethiopia our skin tones vary even within our family. we are black . habesha is just a term to unite ethiopians and eritreans however some people mistake it for being a race .”
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by Habesha Union (YouTube):
“Most of West-Central-Southeast Africa are mostly Bantu. There are pockets of Khoisan in South Africa. Most of the Horn of Africa/Northeast Africa (south of and excluding most of Egypt) is either Cushitic or Niolitic. In North Africa among the native Africans there, there are the indigenous Berbers, Copts, and a few others that in modern times are mixed Colonizing Arabs. Then you have African-Americans, Afro-Carbians, and Afro-Latinos who are mixed with African, European/White, Native American, and maybe even some Asian admixture. The Bantus, Cushitic Peoples, Niolitic Peoples, Berbers, Copts, Khoisan, among a few others that I might have missed are indigenous to Africa. Bantus aren’t the only Africans or Black peoples, that notion is racist, Bantucentric and Eurocentric.”
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Habesha Union | ሐበሻ:[
] [FOR THE ModernRealLife Pan-Ethnic #Habesha CULTURE+HISTORY+COMEDY] From Around The World [via: @habesha_union][Inspired by:BunaTime @habeshacomedies]
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Eritreans, Ethiopians, Somalis, Habeshas, Horn of Africa people, and other East Africans are “Black.” No one in these cultures and countries use the term “Black” to identify themselves though, it is actually a Western and Eurocentric concept. Most people in these areas and cultures use their pan-ethnicity, country, national origin, and/or ethnicity (when appropriate) to identify themselves.
One reason why recent Eritreans, Ethiopians, and other Horn/North-East African immigrants don’t use the term “Black” is because they do not want to be associated with the bad stereotypes on Black-African-Americans.
Another reason could be because African Americans and West Africans deny our African/Black ancestry, culture, and heritage, because we do not look like the stereotypical African person perpetuated by the West. West Africans and African Americans dominate the perception of what it means to be Black.
Some White-European-Americans, Black-African-Americans, Europeans, and West Africans believe that Africa is one [deleted] place where all Africans look the same and have similar features. Even though Africa has a wider diversity than any other continent in the World.
Most West Africans and African Americans have “kinki/nappy” hair while Most (not all) Horn of Africa peoples have curlier (or even sometimes straight) hair. Because the stereotypical West African look is more dominant in Western Culture, most people automatically assume we are not Black (also because this concept of “Black” rarely exists in these cultures, some people will mistakenly go along with this Western and Eurocetric idea).
While if you see a German or Ukrainian with blond hair, then see an Irish person with red hair, then you encounter an Italian with black hair, you automatically say they are all White/European. Why can’t you use this same concept on Africa and Africans.
On another note Eritreans, Ethiopians, and some other East Africans, and Horn of Africa people have completely different cultures from the rest of Africa, to the extent that some Westerners forget that they are even in what Westerners (Mostly European-American people but also African Americans ) thought Africa would look like.
Videos That Explain This Much Better:
The title of the Video bellow “I’M NOT BLACK | Helen Haile” is sarcastic (she believes we are Black)
The title of the Video bellow is “Are East Africans Considered Black? Somali & Sudanese | Susu & Hibs”
The title of the Video bellow is “East Africans Aren’t Black? Really?”
The title of the Video bellow is “WHAT ARE WE IF WE’RE NOT CONSIDERED BLACK ? — East African Edition”
[Update 1.3.2019 (from Instagram Comments)| We (Habesha ሐበሻ people/Horn Africans/East Africans) are of course Black but the term “Black” as an ethno-racial identity is a western (mostly but not always American) political construct. Using the term “Black” as an ethno-racial identity in a small East African town is impractical because everyone is Black, people would uses more culturally appropriate terms like a persons individual ethnicity, nationality/national origin, a pan-ethnicity, the province they come from, or the general region they come from, (this is all dependent on the context of the situation), if you don’t come into contact with Westerners (Europeans and Black & White Americans alike) regularly, you wouldn’t have an experience with labeling yourself or being labeled by the socio-political constructed identity “Black”. Horn Africans who live in the West have to adapt to this new concept of a Black identity (like I have accepted), while the ones who live back home would rarely come into a situation where they may meet someone who thinks of race/ethnicity as Black-White binary (equating Blackness & Dark skin solely with African American culture). Sometimes some people don’t know that Black people (those with ancestors from Africa) come in many different types of features and not all Black/African populations look the same. The same way some Russians look different from tanner southerners Italians or that some Irish people have Red hair while some Italians have black hair or some Germans have blond hair. Some Africans have kiniki/nappy hair while other Africans have curly hair. Some people (some Whites, African Americans, and some West Africans) try to deny us (Horn Africans; Somalis, Amhara, Tigray, Afar, Saho, Oromo, etc.) our Black Africa heritage and identity by saying that just because we look slightly different that we must have some sort of Arab or (this is far fetched but some people actually believe this) or that we have some sort of White European blood in us, and then start to question if we’re Black, while in fact we are Black Africans (even though some people don’t always encounter that term as a personal racio-cultural identity).
I hate it when people say we aren’t Black / Black enough.:
Can these people stop with this fake thing saying that Northern Ethio-Eritreans (Amhara, Tigray, etc.) are mixed with Arab when they are not. Y’all, you guys should also know that ignorant West Africans, African Americans, and White people (Europeans/European Americans) believe that Somalis, Oromos, etc. are mixed with Arabs as well when they are not. Just search up “Are Somalis Black?” on Google, there are a bunch of ignorant people that believe that Horn Africans/East Africans (Amharas, Somalis, some Anuaks, etc. alike) are mixed with Arab or White/European when in actuality we are Black and that Black Africans come in different features just like White Europeans come in different features dependent on which region of Europe they come from. Ethiopians look different from Nigerians the same way Russians look different from tanner southern Italians but both Russians and Italians are considered White while for Somalis, Ethiopians, Eritreans, and Sudanese people our Blackness comes into question.
(2) “Why do you think people view East Africans as non-blacks?: ‘In terms of our physical features we [sometimes] differ from most other African countries so may be its this? But then you need to ask what black is and its definition. It’s like saying Chinese people aren’t the real Asians because they aren’t Indians. Since when did black mean one shade of skin, one type of facial feature [, or] one type of hair texture.’” (Article title: “YOU’RE NOT REALLY BLACK” | DAUGHTER OF THE HORN ; https://daughterofthehorn.blog/2016/03/ ... lly-black/)
[Quote From Instagram: @habesha_union to @alefehelen & @_brook_y ]: No, we know we are Black, the West Africans and ~1890s Racist White European German Anthropologist (like Hiob Ludolf, Edward Ullendorff, Eduard Glaser, etc.) try to say we’re not Black when we actually are. {“Black” as a race or personal identity is a completely foreign concept for most average Ethiopians, Eritreans, Somalis, Sudanese, and FOBs (Fresh Off the Boat: an North American English informal slang term for ‘recent immigrants’) who haven’t lived in the West or come into contact with Western Media.}, {And the idea that ‘Ethiopians are mixed with Arabs’ is an unsubstantiated false claim made by German Anthropologist in the ~1890s (like Ludolf & Uledorf) at a time when White people thought that Africans/Black people were ‘uncivilized non-human savage animals’ and that Ethiopians didn’t fit into their stereotypes so the tried to make everyone think that Horn Africans aren’t Black instead of admitting to their mistake and even some Horn Africans believed them let alone West Africans and White people.} Then they end up indoctrinating Horn Africans (Somalis, Ethiopians, Eritreans, /Habesha/, etc.) making us doubt our own Blackness/Africanness.”
[Quote From Instagram: @yelenyim ]: “This [deleted] is embarrassing af!!!
“Habesha” similar to Hispanic/Latino is about a shared culture/region… it is not about race!!!! 
WE’RE
FUCKING
BLACK
Even with [supposed (but unsubstantiated)] admixture from Arabs&Jews we tend to be mostly [if not all] sub-Sharan African…. when considering the population as a whole this is very apparent. Obviously there r exceptions but they r rare. So please stop bringing shame to us all with all this “I’m black not Habesha” bs and understand that you’re likely both.”[@habesha_union addressing @lydia_michaellllll and @ladyelsabel]: “Y’all know that these Ancestry DNA tests always confuse/can’t differentiate between East Africans (specifically Horn Africans) and Middle Easterners/Western Asians (specifically Arabs). One of the reasons why is because they have limited data on Horn Africans and they compare Nilo-Cushitic (Northeast Africa-Horn of Africa)
(Most of these statements — — comes from the comments section of BunaTime (@habeshacomedies)’s video post asking people to comment on this video. While others come from Elsabel @ladyelsabel an Eritrean of London, England, United Kingdom-UK’s post — ) ].
[Edit 2/21/2019: Comment taken from YouTube (link bellow)
By @habts02 (YouTube):
“This question is ridiculous. What is your definition of ‘Black’??? Please understand that ‘Black’ is a COLOR, and not a nationality or ethnic group!!! Race is a construct created by Caucasians. Non-Westerners do not understand and/or embrace this. It’s Americans that use color or ‘race’ to identify themselves, and most African-Americans identify themselves as ‘Black’. Look through the bible, and notice that you will NEVER see people identified by ‘black’, ‘white’ or ‘yellow’. The rest of the Non-Western world identify by your nationality or ethnic group. It is ridiculous to ask an African or anyone else this question. If you ask an Asian how they identify you will never hear ‘Yellow’. They will tell you Korean, or Japanese, etc… If you want to identify as ‘Black’ then that is your prerogative, but ‘race’ is not used or even understood in the rest of the world.
Then you’re asking him if Ethiopians and Eritreans are ‘mixed’ and not original Africans because they most are not as dark as some other ethnic groups? African-Americans are ‘mixed’. Your questions are very rude and intentionally divisive- “Why did Ethiopia and Eritrea war?” “Are you mixed?” “Why are Ethiopians the most arrogant?” “What are you stereotypes against Africa-Americans?” You want him to say he considers himself Arab, that he has no respect for African-Americans, that Ethiopians are arrogant and that as an Eritrean he hates Ethiopians- none of which he did. The bottom line is that ‘Black’ is NOT YOUR nationality, but if you choose to label yourself as such we will not chastise you, nor tell you that you lack knowledge of self and have an identity crisis. Africans know that we are labeled as Black when we come to America, but we know that is a way of wiping out our true identities which are linked to our ethnic groups, nationalities, language, cultures and customs.
The real issue/question is- Why is it sooo important for African-Americans to hear Africans identify as Black and not state our countries?
Carribean people don’t have this issue. When Africans meet they ask each other where they are from and are never offended by their answers: Nigerian, Ghanaian, Ethiopian, etc.”
By @SylviasWorld (YouTube):
“I think Africans don’t see themselves generally as Black because their national and tribal identity is what defines them and it’s a foreign concept to be honest. The concept of Black in the west is BECAUSE there are lots of different races, so everyone has to have a compartment. Even Chimamanda Adichie said the same that she only heard the term Black when she came to America. I don’t think any Black American can really talk about and impose themselves as the custodian of who is black and who is not due to race mixing because most have a non African ancestor due to slavery no matter what skin tone they are today. In Africa Black means dark actually and not Black as a race as it does in the west.”
By @yorsalem ambasajer (YouTube):
“lol this is funny . i am fully eritrean ( i know my grandparents names and their grandparents names and so on and they are all eritrean names not arabic) . but i am light skin with long curly hair so i get mistaken for being mixed and my sister is brown with really long hair and when she straightens her hair she gets mistaken for being asian . my grandpa is light skin like me with green eyes . but his eyes pop out cause it looks unusual. Because of the climate in eritrea and ethiopia our skin tones vary even within our family. we are black . habesha is just a term to unite ethiopians and eritreans however some people mistake it for being a race .”
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by Habesha Union (YouTube):
“Most of West-Central-Southeast Africa are mostly Bantu. There are pockets of Khoisan in South Africa. Most of the Horn of Africa/Northeast Africa (south of and excluding most of Egypt) is either Cushitic or Niolitic. In North Africa among the native Africans there, there are the indigenous Berbers, Copts, and a few others that in modern times are mixed Colonizing Arabs. Then you have African-Americans, Afro-Carbians, and Afro-Latinos who are mixed with African, European/White, Native American, and maybe even some Asian admixture. The Bantus, Cushitic Peoples, Niolitic Peoples, Berbers, Copts, Khoisan, among a few others that I might have missed are indigenous to Africa. Bantus aren’t the only Africans or Black peoples, that notion is racist, Bantucentric and Eurocentric.”
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Habesha Union | ሐበሻ:[
] [FOR THE ModernRealLife Pan-Ethnic #Habesha CULTURE+HISTORY+COMEDY] From Around The World [via: @habesha_union][Inspired by:BunaTime @habeshacomedies]