Mereja Forum

[Za-Ilmaknun]

"The momentous mistake of those who prioritize Ethiopianness is their ignorance or underestimation of the magnitude of changes that have taken place since the establishment of ethnic federalism. Because of this grave omission, they fail to offer what Amharas need to protect themselves and their interests. In its place, they recommend using Ethiopianness, to which unfortunately nothing tangible or practical corresponds. Nowhere in the constitution and related references is there a stipulation attaching a single right to being Ethiopian. People are defined by their ethnic group, with their rights and duties flowing from their ethnic membership. In the existing constitution, the term “Ethiopia” signifies either a territory, a generalization or represents the federal government. Whatever right is associated with being Ethiopian, not only does it derive from ethnic membership but also it is enforceable only through the ethnic system. That is why minority ethnic groups living outside their own territories are unprotected: they are viewed as aliens and their claim to be Ethiopians, far from protecting them, puts them in danger."

https://zehabesha.com/fano-and-the-new- ... -a-review/

[Right]

A genocide that Africa has never seen is underway in Ethiopia.
Amharas are murdered every day under the supervision of the government of Ethiopia.

The central government of Ethiopia dismantled the Amahara Liyu Force and Mechanized the Oromo Liyu, tried to disarm Fano using ENDF on top of that allowed the TDF to rebuild.

The above tells you something terrible is going to happen to the Amhara people unless they do something to stop it.

You elites can classify and dissect all you want based on the science and philosophy you have learned abroad.

But the Amhara have first to save themselves from extinction. Period.

Evidently no one is coming to their rescue. No one even raises their voice in solidarity.
Pan Ethiopia, national unity, preserving unity etc all makes sense. But the Amharas have first to survive the machetes.

[TGAA]

"The momentous mistake of those who prioritize Ethiopianness is their ignorance or underestimation of the magnitude of changes that have taken place since the establishment of ethnic federalism. Because of this grave omission, they fail to offer what Amharas need to protect themselves and their interests. In its place, they recommend using Ethiopianness, to which unfortunately nothing tangible or practical corresponds. Nowhere in the constitution and related references is there a stipulation attaching a single right to being Ethiopian. People are defined by their ethnic group, with their rights and duties flowing from their ethnic membership. In the existing constitution, the term “Ethiopia” signifies either a territory, a generalization or represents the federal government. Whatever right is associated with being Ethiopian, not only does it derive from ethnic membership but also it is enforceable only through the ethnic system. That is why minority ethnic groups living outside their own territories are unprotected: they are viewed as aliens and their claim to be Ethiopians, far from protecting them, puts them in danger."

https://zehabesha.com/fano-and-the-new- ... -a-review/

I find it difficult to follow Messay Kebede’s and Lidetu’s arguments. Messay, for example, suggests that the cultural assimilation among Ethiopians—since it’s not a one-way process—is a sign of domination. However, if an animist voluntarily changes their beliefs and adopts Orthodox Christianity, that’s not domination but a choice, based on the belief that Christianity offers more convincing, practical reasons to follow it. Similarly, if someone adopts Abesha clothing and creates their own version using the same methods, it doesn’t signify domination; it simply shows they’ve learned a practical and effective way to make clothing.

At that time, there were no written languages like the Latin alphabet in Ethiopia or most of Africa, except for Ge'ez, which was adopted and learned by people living near Ge'ez-speaking communities. This wasn’t domination; it was assimilation for practical purposes.

I feel the professor interprets this as imposition, which I disagree with. As for Lidetu, I find him quite contradictory. He advocates for a blend of Weyane ethnic policies with Ethiopianism—whatever he means by that—because he claims that all forms of nationalism, including Ethiopian nationalism, are bad and anti-democratic.

The solution to these conflicting perspectives lies in one of two paths: (1) Disband the outdated ethnic federalism and replace it with a new democratic federal system that clearly delineates the roles of local and federal administrations. This system should not be tied to ethnic identity, and a person’s identity should not be legally linked to where they live, but rather a matter of coincidence. If this is too difficult for those attached to ethnic privilege, then each community should be administered by the majority population of that community, wherever they reside. Full democratization and localized administration should be guaranteed for all.

Currently, many minority communities are being oppressed by ethnic hegemony. When they demand their rights or a share of power, they are uprooted, killed, or persecuted. Allowing all communities to govern themselves would diminish the influence of ethnic power mongers. Suggestions like these can only be brought to the table for discussion once a balance of power is achieved. Until then, they cannot even be discussed, as these anti-merit ethnic elites continue to enjoy their spoils in the name of the ethnic groups they claim to represent.

[Odie]

I just brushed his writing. I am not a fan of Dr Messay bs I heard him say ethnic federalism has no problem but the way it is implemented. No one is going to implement ethnic federalism perfectly and there will never be a peaceful ethnic federalism.

Ethnic federalism will only serve the winning ethnic. Oromo wins by chance it just abuses the country the way it favors its gang. Tigre won did the same. Amhara gets a chance it will impose rules that favor its interest. The cycle will go on bs no one will say it quits in favor of federalism not based on ethnicity but citizen based federalism.

Secession as an option will end up in continued blood shade and mayhem because of contested borders.

Let’s be frank. Amhara has all its right to save its people. Abiy is not an Ethiopian PM, he calls himself Oromo PM.
Amhara genocide occurred and families continue to die in mass as well as individuals are killed and tortured by Abiys regim. No body is surprised Amhara are standing against their genocide.

The question is at whose cost are the other ethnics expecting full right or freedom? Just continue to serve bigger ethnics that win and overtake the government?
If Amhara says I fought and I am the rule maker, what would be surprizing bs others have already submitted to the killer Oromizer, Oromuma. If every body wants its share of the cake, every one has to claim it.

The Oromo and Tigre used other ethnics for their benefit. Why can’t Fano use other ethnics for common end?
Everybody says amhara Nationalism bla bla… but no body is standing for its right like fano does? If some one gives you your freedom, that entity can make you a slave if it wants.
Amahara has to be nationalist to empower its people and stand Oromuma atrocity.

Messay did not write anything about the droning of civillians, robbing, detention, corruption, family extermination and torturing under majority Oromo rule. I hope he did not write about it bs he mainly focused on the commentary of Meskerem’s writing and constructively criticized Fano as a potential power for future Ethiopia.

[Tiago]

The mindset that Amharas are responsible for every that goes wrong in the life of the Average non-Amhara ethnic is unfortunately deep rooted.

Other poor, uneducated, primitive and hopeless ethnics have no time or will to analyze things but happy to blame and point fingers at the Amharas.

It is hilarious how even Somalis from the mainland who have never set foot in Ethiopia let alone Amhara land, negatively describe an Amhara.

The question is why are the Amharas so keen on perpetuating the notion of Etiopiawinet when the other ethnics devalue and connect it to deliberate plan by the Amhara to dominate and exploit??

Another thing that brings Amharas into conflict amongst themselves is the notion of "Amhara for Amharas only".as if Amharas can't live without other ethnics or as if Amhara is not self-sufficient.

Personally,if Amharas focus exclusively on investing and developing in Amhara rather than Addis Ababa and other hostile places,the brain dead ethnics may be able to see what they are unable to see now.

[Za-Ilmaknun]

The identity political adherents now have to be ready to swallow the bitter pill that the Amhara people are going to be administering themselves, wherever they are. The constitution is the very tool that is going to be used to undoing the diehard ethno-fascists. You devised the the rule of the game and you will have to be playing by the rule or the rule will have to be changed. TPLF /OLF freedom fighters will soon be advocating for the change of their beloved constitution.

[Dama]

"The momentous mistake of those who prioritize Ethiopianness is their ignorance or underestimation of the magnitude of changes that have taken place since the establishment of ethnic federalism. Because of this grave omission, they fail to offer what Amharas need to protect themselves and their interests. In its place, they recommend using Ethiopianness, to which unfortunately nothing tangible or practical corresponds. Nowhere in the constitution and related references is there a stipulation attaching a single right to being Ethiopian. People are defined by their ethnic group, with their rights and duties flowing from their ethnic membership. In the existing constitution, the term “Ethiopia” signifies either a territory, a generalization or represents the federal government. Whatever right is associated with being Ethiopian, not only does it derive from ethnic membership but also it is enforceable only through the ethnic system. That is why minority ethnic groups living outside their own territories are unprotected: they are viewed as aliens and their claim to be Ethiopians, far from protecting them, puts them in danger."

https://zehabesha.com/fano-and-the-new- ... -a-review/

Llidetu severly critiqued Messay and made him look stupid on Reyot interview. Tebtaba, he was so incoherent that he struggled fir words to explain his blurred thoughts.
He made him look a dull secondary school boy.

[Za-Ilmaknun]

"The momentous mistake of those who prioritize Ethiopianness is their ignorance or underestimation of the magnitude of changes that have taken place since the establishment of ethnic federalism. Because of this grave omission, they fail to offer what Amharas need to protect themselves and their interests. In its place, they recommend using Ethiopianness, to which unfortunately nothing tangible or practical corresponds. Nowhere in the constitution and related references is there a stipulation attaching a single right to being Ethiopian. People are defined by their ethnic group, with their rights and duties flowing from their ethnic membership. In the existing constitution, the term “Ethiopia” signifies either a territory, a generalization or represents the federal government. Whatever right is associated with being Ethiopian, not only does it derive from ethnic membership but also it is enforceable only through the ethnic system. That is why minority ethnic groups living outside their own territories are unprotected: they are viewed as aliens and their claim to be Ethiopians, far from protecting them, puts them in danger."

https://zehabesha.com/fano-and-the-new- ... -a-review/

Llidetu severly critiqued Messay and made him look stupid on Reyot interview. Tebtaba, he was so incoherent that he struggled fir words to explain his blurred thoughts.
He made him look a dull secondary school boy.

Here is Lidetu and his contradictory arguments in trying to counter the professor. Lidentu's brand of politics is now a has been. He is trying to piggyback himself to 4Killo on the Fano's inevitable victory. Lidetu, despite being articulate, has sufficiently demonstrated his detest to the Amhara struggle for survival and freedom. Talk is cheap!

[Dama]

He wants to enter Arat Kilo on the backs of Fano.
He shows disdain for ethnic nationalism, i.e., Amara nationalis.
These two statements contradict.

[Misraq]

We know anti-amhara elements come in all shade and color. Some are able to hide it and act neutral till they hear you talk about Amhara Nationalism and you see them jumping out of the frying pan with anger and venom.

Surprisingly, our direct enemies (Tigres & Oromos) are starting to be comfortable with Amharas quest to free themselves and dictate their destination. It is the Gurages Listros, the Silte Leba and the Galla Diqalas who vomit hard when they hear Amhara nationalism.

This post is one example. But Amhara nationalism is head on to crack the skull of any enemy who wants to prolong our suffering.

[TGAA]

The identity political adherents now have to be ready to swallow the bitter pill that the Amhara people are going to be administering themselves, wherever they are. The constitution is the very tool that is going to be used to undoing the diehard ethno-fascists. You devised the the rule of the game and you will have to be playing by the rule or the rule will have to be changed. TPLF /OLF freedom fighters will soon be advocating for the change of their beloved constitution.

Bingo! Let the Amharas gain the strength to enforce the very constitution these ethno-fascists swear by, and then everyone will live happily ever after. They never designed the system for equality but for domination, though they swear by it to pretend otherwise. So far, they have used the state machinery to enforce their will, both the TPLF and OPDO. Once the balance of power shifts, they will discard their beloved ethnic constitution like a hot potato.

[Za-Ilmaknun]

He wants to enter Arat Kilo on the backs of Fano.
He shows disdain for ethnic nationalism, i.e., Amara nationalis.
These two statements contradict.

It is very clear for whoever has the ability to see clearly what is unfolding as we speak. Let me discern it for you for a starter. The Oromumma regime is about to be collapsing. What is to come after the cannibals gone is what Lidetu is eyeing to bank on. The debate as to what could be the best political model to pacify and, possibly unify the country is yet far from settled. That is the opportunity he is trying to attach himself to.

[TGAA]

He wants to enter Arat Kilo on the backs of Fano.
He shows disdain for ethnic nationalism, i.e., Amara nationalis.
These two statements contradict.

It is very clear for whoever has the ability to see clearly what is unfolding as we speak. Let me discern it for you for a starter. The Oromumma regime is about to be collapsing. What is to come after the cannibals gone is what Lidetu is eyeing to bank on. The debate as to what could be the best political model to pacify and, possibly unify the country is yet far from settled. That is the opportunity he is trying to attach himself to.

Lidetu is the most amorphous and grotesque politician to be carried into Arat Killo on the backs of the Fanos. He is an unreliable, shifty politician with no solid principles to stand on. We have many like him, including Berhanu and others, who write and argue randomly about any topic under the sun but are not fit for leadership. I respect political leaders who step away from the scene when they recognize they are not suited to operate in the existing political climate.

[Dama]

He wants to enter Arat Kilo on the backs of Fano.
He shows disdain for ethnic nationalism, i.e., Amara nationalis.
These two statements contradict.

It is very clear for whoever has the ability to see clearly what is unfolding as we speak. Let me discern it for you for a starter. The Oromumma regime is about to be collapsing. What is to come after the cannibals gone is what Lidetu is eyeing to bank on. The debate as to what could be the best political model to pacify and, possibly unify the country is yet far from settled. That is the opportunity he is trying to attach himself to.

Lidetu is the most amorphous and grotesque politician to be carried into Arat Killo on the backs of the Fanos. He is an unreliable, shifty politician with no solid principles to stand on. We have many like him, including Berhanu and others, who write and argue randomly about any topic under the sun but are not fit for leadership. I respect political leaders who step away from the scene when they recognize they are not suited to operate in the existing political climate.

Messay, I have followed him for a long time. He goes with the winds, for money and fame. Ethiopia is the raw source for him to write, talk and make money, with arguable fame once one appears on radios and Tvs.
He was on the Ethiopianist bandwagon when it was popular and financially fruitful with the likes of Prof.Almariam. Published more than one book on the subject. He knows he can't milk Ethiopiawinnet all the same again because of the popularity of Fano and Amarannet. He has no conscience to milk an idea he denounced more than once when he was Ethiopianist to take down the EPRDF.

[Za-Ilmaknun]

The identity political adherents now have to be ready to swallow the bitter pill that the Amhara people are going to be administering themselves, wherever they are. The constitution is the very tool that is going to be used to undoing the diehard ethno-fascists. You devised the the rule of the game and you will have to be playing by the rule or the rule will have to be changed. TPLF /OLF freedom fighters will soon be advocating for the change of their beloved constitution.

Bingo! Let the Amharas gain the strength to enforce the very constitution these ethno-fascists swear by, and then everyone will live happily ever after. They never designed the system for equality but for domination, though they swear by it to pretend otherwise. So far, they have used the state machinery to enforce their will, both the TPLF and OPDO. Once the balance of power shifts, they will discard their beloved ethnic constitution like a hot potato.

That exactly is why the current regime is shyyting by the very thought of Fano controlling the state machinery. Sworn TPLF supporters are now openly speaking about the none existence of an Ethiopia that has been the milking cow for them for the past three decades. Their own poison will be the antidote for itself.

[Dama]

We know anti-amhara elements come in all shade and color. Some are able to hide it and act neutral till they hear you talk about Amhara Nationalism and you see them jumping out of the frying pan with anger and venom.

Surprisingly, our direct enemies (Tigres & Oromos) are starting to be comfortable with Amharas quest to free themselves and dictate their destination. It is the Gurages Listros, the Silte Leba and the Galla Diqalas who vomit hard when they hear Amhara nationalism.

This post is one example. But Amhara nationalism is head on to crack the skull of any enemy who wants to prolong our suffering.

Mitriaq
You love them because they fly the banner of ethno-centrism as you were instructed to replace Socialism.
Afghanistan's socialism, US employed Islamic jihadism, armed the Talibans to their teeth and brought down the Afghan socialist gov.
They balkanized the Koreans when not able to defeat socialist Korea. Tried it in Vietnam.
Ethnic federalism for Ethiopia is as good as strictest Sharia law for Afghanista.

[Dama]

The identity political adherents now have to be ready to swallow the bitter pill that the Amhara people are going to be administering themselves, wherever they are. The constitution is the very tool that is going to be used to undoing the diehard ethno-fascists. You devised the the rule of the game and you will have to be playing by the rule or the rule will have to be changed. TPLF /OLF freedom fighters will soon be advocating for the change of their beloved constitution.

Bingo! Let the Amharas gain the strength to enforce the very constitution these ethno-fascists swear by, and then everyone will live happily ever after. They never designed the system for equality but for domination, though they swear by it to pretend otherwise. So far, they have used the state machinery to enforce their will, both the TPLF and OPDO. Once the balance of power shifts, they will discard their beloved ethnic constitution like a hot potato.

That exactly is why the current regime is shyyting by the very thought of Fano controlling the state machinery. Sworn TPLF supporters are now openly speaking about the none existence of an Ethiopia that has been the milking cow for them for the past three decades. Their own poison will be the antidote for itself.

I personally don't believe Fano is evil, not worse than Agazians and Shene. I just feel the same as Lidetu that Fano are no different from TPLF or OLF. All are guided by ethnic popitics. End result is all are driving in the same lane, same direction. Amara is not the hope of change from the current bloody, unjust and undemocratic system.

[Misraq]

Be it unitary system or Ethnic federalism, Amhara won't lose if it is implemented according to the constitution. We have numbers plus landmass.

The problem is Orimo and Tigray fake federalism where they try to run our affairs by their surrogets, sellouts plus the appropriation of our land, people, ethnic cleansing and persecution they conducted to reduce us to minority status.

The fake unionists are also crafty stuff nice they try to ride on the back of Amhara, hiding their nationalism in their pocket and putting Amhara at disadvantage. So Amhara won't back down till we make sure that it's own sons and daughters that have a complete say on our people's choice and destiny. This by no means is an antagonistic stand towards others. It just simply that we can't trust anyone anymore.

[Odie]

ምራቅ ሻብያ/የደረጀ ከበደ ቡችላ
Or Agew shengo/OPDO/PP/TPLF/OLA copy cat

I am not going to use a slur to give you a check

I know you are as bad mouthed as abyssiniaLady when it comes to gurage hate!

There are a lot of reasonable Amhara people who are not ባለጌ like you who are principled and clear headed!

If you really have an amhara identity which i doubt, you are just one bad apple and a pain in the arse

Did gurage listro screw you in addis like abyssiniaLady?

[Sadacha Macca]

A weaker central government and more power to the federal states is the way forward imo. Fano should rule amara, whomever oromo choose should rule oromia, etc.
I don't see Oromos wanting or accepting any alternative to the current system for the foreseeable future. Regardless of how much you guys and others complain online.
Anything less than Oromos ruling Oromia is unacceptable.


True Oromo federalists don't want to rule others, nor do we accept others ruling us. Opdo, like any other opportunistic group of elites represents their own small groups interests, not the interests of the nation they *claim* to come from. Those who generalize all Oromos based on their hatred for the opdo, in reality, seek to justify their hatred for an entire nation and then they cry when others generalize against their nation.
Keep in mind that, any opposition movement that lacks an Oromo element, is already increasing the likelihood that they'll fail.
Opposition to the previous regimes all had a significant Oromo element to it. Whether it be haile Selassie, the derg (the opposition was mostly within in the form of attempted coups, i.e. demissie bulto, or teferi benti), qeerroo vs tplf, etc.
Only a fool would purposely make an enemy out of the largest nation in ethiopia, whose territory is the geographical and economic backbone of Ethiopia, along with the Amaras.




P.s. odie sounds like another account of wishiye buchila union aka Novel amara aka andertan aka abdeaziz