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Not all dictators are bad.

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Re: Not all dictators are bad.

Post by Dark Energy » 01 Oct 2024, 22:10

Deqi,

The only dictator that arguably was good is Ataturk. Even Ataturk had a lot of problems. As a leader, you have to go above and beyond to inspire the people around you to do their best. You should never be above the law. You should not overstay in power beyond what the people allows you to. You should be the servant of the people not the other way around. It is not your job to send people to prison, you are not the judge. You are not the law maker. Your main job is to lead the country in the right direction according the law. That is just a brief description of the job.

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Re: Not all dictators are bad.

Post by Misraq » 01 Oct 2024, 22:20

Aramu, indeed. እድሜ ልክህን ሲዊዲን አርህን እንድታራ ያደረገህ ዲክታተር ይለያል :lol: :lol:

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Re: Not all dictators are bad.

Post by Deqi-Arawit » 02 Oct 2024, 01:05

Dark Energy wrote:
01 Oct 2024, 22:10
Deqi,

The only dictator that arguably was good is Ataturk. Even Ataturk had a lot of problems. As a leader, you have to go above and beyond to inspire the people around you to do their best. You should never be above the law. You should not overstay in power beyond what the people allows you to. You should be the servant of the people not the other way around. It is not your job to send people to prison, you are not the judge. You are not the law maker. Your main job is to lead the country in the right direction according the law. That is just a brief description of the job.
You missed the point.

I was not admiring the north Korean dictator but the fact that he is inspecting the education and health system of the country and his subjects is what invoked me to post this article.

In comparison, except Sawa graduation. Have you ever seen the Eritrean dictator to inspect schools and hospitals?

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Re: Not all dictators are bad.

Post by Somaliman » 02 Oct 2024, 05:54

Deqi-Arawit wrote:
02 Oct 2024, 01:05
Dark Energy wrote:
01 Oct 2024, 22:10
Deqi,

The only dictator that arguably was good is Ataturk. Even Ataturk had a lot of problems. As a leader, you have to go above and beyond to inspire the people around you to do their best. You should never be above the law. You should not overstay in power beyond what the people allows you to. You should be the servant of the people not the other way around. It is not your job to send people to prison, you are not the judge. You are not the law maker. Your main job is to lead the country in the right direction according the law. That is just a brief description of the job.
You missed the point.

I was not admiring the north Korean dictator but the fact that he is inspecting the education and health system of the country and his subjects is what invoked me to post this article.

In comparison, except Sawa graduation. Have you ever seen the Eritrean dictator to inspect schools and hospitals?





Have you ever seen the Eritrean dictator to inspect schools and hospitals?
The job description of a president of a country or a head of state varies by country and political system. However, in general, it does not include inspecting schools and hospitals. Neither is the North Korean president a gauge to measure the approval ratings of other presidents.

If you don't see PIA hanging out at schools or hospitals, it doesn't necessarily mean that he's in a state of not knowing what's happening in these public sectors.

If you see him hanging out in every institution of the country, you would claim that he behaved as if he owned the whole country. And when you don't see him hanging out everywhere across the country, you accuse him of not being aware of the state of affairs of the country.

Although PIA has a series of serious shortcomings, which I've discussed extensively on this forum myself, I believe he's one of the best dictators the world has witnessed so far.

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Re: Not all dictators are bad.

Post by Affable » 02 Oct 2024, 08:52

Somaliman, you sound more like an Eritrean cadre than a Somalian cadre. Why you have to be everywhere ? Let the Eritrean discuss this issue. They own it.

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Re: Not all dictators are bad.

Post by Dark Energy » 02 Oct 2024, 11:32

Somali man,

There is no the best dictator. A dictator is a dictator. . Islas had over thirty years to lay solid democratic foundation in Eritrea . He did nothing of the kind. The economy of Eritrea is insignificant. The tiny Djibouti man outperformed him in every aspect. He failed to exploit the busiest maritime conduit in the RedSea. He loves wars. Eritrea has a tiny population. Wars are not to our advantage unless our existence is in danger. Wars should be the last resort. No accountability. He immersed hundreds of thousands young Eritreans to save Ethiopia. Many died doing so. Again, no accountability whatsoever.

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Re: Not all dictators are bad.

Post by kerenite » 02 Oct 2024, 13:50

Deqi-Arawit wrote:
02 Oct 2024, 01:05
Dark Energy wrote:
01 Oct 2024, 22:10
Deqi,

The only dictator that arguably was good is Ataturk. Even Ataturk had a lot of problems. As a leader, you have to go above and beyond to inspire the people around you to do their best. You should never be above the law. You should not overstay in power beyond what the people allows you to. You should be the servant of the people not the other way around. It is not your job to send people to prison, you are not the judge. You are not the law maker. Your main job is to lead the country in the right direction according the law. That is just a brief description of the job.
You missed the point.

I was not admiring the north Korean dictator but the fact that he is inspecting the education and health system of the country and his subjects is what invoked me to post this article.

In comparison, except Sawa graduation. Have you ever seen the Eritrean dictator to inspect schools and hospitals?
Only a sick minded person would admire a dictator. A dictator is someone who considers a whole state as his ranch and the people as his subjects or Trit in tigrigna.😂

For instance...

1. The north korean kid inheridated power from his forefathers. He is acting as god albeit he is a human being same as the Koreans. He forgets that he is ye 9 wer lij.👿

2. Dictator al sissy of Egypt has appointed his son and elevated him to the rank of a general from a lieutenant and now he is the head of the security office.

DeQi, is alsissy a good dictator? Perhaps to you.

3. Our issu is grooming his son Abraham, lately, I heard Abraham took courses in London, UK for 6 months studying public administration. Is isu a good dictator?🙄

To conclude,

as democratic minded people say:

In a country which is ruled by a dictator, the people are scared of the dictator whereas in a country which is ruled by a democratically elected government, THE GOVERNMENT IS SCARED OF THE PEOPLE and not the other way around.

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Re: Not all dictators are bad.

Post by kerenite » 02 Oct 2024, 13:50

Deqi-Arawit wrote:
02 Oct 2024, 01:05
Dark Energy wrote:
01 Oct 2024, 22:10
Deqi,

The only dictator that arguably was good is Ataturk. Even Ataturk had a lot of problems. As a leader, you have to go above and beyond to inspire the people around you to do their best. You should never be above the law. You should not overstay in power beyond what the people allows you to. You should be the servant of the people not the other way around. It is not your job to send people to prison, you are not the judge. You are not the law maker. Your main job is to lead the country in the right direction according the law. That is just a brief description of the job.
You missed the point.

I was not admiring the north Korean dictator but the fact that he is inspecting the education and health system of the country and his subjects is what invoked me to post this article.

In comparison, except Sawa graduation. Have you ever seen the Eritrean dictator to inspect schools and hospitals?
Only a sick minded person would admire a dictator. A dictator is someone who considers a whole state as his ranch and the people as his subjects or Trit in tigrigna.😂

For instance...

1. The north korean dictator kid inherited power from his forefathers. He is acting as god albeit he is a human being same as his fellow Koreans. He forgets that he is ye 9 wer lij.👿

2. Dictator al sissy of Egypt has appointed his son and elevated him to the rank of a general from a lieutenant and now he is the head of the security office.

DeQi, is alsissy a good dictator? Perhaps to you.

3. Our issu is grooming his son Abraham, lately, I heard Abraham took courses in London, UK for 6 months studying public administration. Is isu a good dictator? Well to some🙄

To conclude,

as democratic minded people say:

In a country which is ruled by a dictator, the people are scared of the dictator whereas in a country which is ruled by a democratically elected government, THE GOVERNMENT IS SCARED OF THE PEOPLE and not the other way around.

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Re: Not all dictators are bad.

Post by Somaliman » 02 Oct 2024, 14:49

Make no mistake, the so-called democratic heads of state and multi-party systems as we see them even in the West are not any better. In reality, what we see in the West, which we want to copy, is nothing more than an illusion of democracy. Democracy exists only in academic text books and is not applied/practised anywhere in the world.

If you think democracy is choosing between the two sides of the same coin (Trump vs Harris, for example), you're fooled big time.

Of course, some dictators are better than others. it's totally wrong to judge a dictator only from the fact that they're clinging on to power and are not allowing democratic processes to take place in their country.

For instance, Paul Kagame is a dictator, yet not only is he one of the best dictators, but also one of the best presidents in the world.

Both Western Europe and the US are the flagship of the so-called democracy, yet there's not a single country in these geographic zones where people are happy with their leaders and political systems, to the extent that new political parties have lately emerged in Europe out of discontentment with the traditional political parties, and that voter turnouts have lately gone down tremendously due to dissatisfaction with the whole process.

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Re: Not all dictators are bad.

Post by Affable » 02 Oct 2024, 14:59

My man, but I enjoy living where democracy is exercised pretty good, namely USA. I do not however want to live in Russia —where democracy is foreign to the nation — neither do you. Democracy not only is the best form of government, but also a system that mushrooms a decent, loving people. The American people are a testament to that.
My friend do not write something an iota of it that you do not believe. I do not think you do. But I know you have to parrot the slogan handed down to you. Sad!

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Re: Not all dictators are bad.

Post by Eri luv » 02 Oct 2024, 15:42

Affable wrote:
02 Oct 2024, 14:59
My man, but I enjoy living where democracy is exercised pretty good, namely USA. I do not however want to live in Russia —where democracy is foreign to the nation — neither do you. Democracy not only is the best form of government, but also a system that mushrooms a decent, loving people. The American people are a testament to that.
My friend do not write something an iota of it that you do not believe. I do not think you do. But I know you have to parrot the slogan handed down to you. Sad!
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Re: Not all dictators are bad.

Post by Somaliman » 02 Oct 2024, 16:02

Eri luv wrote:
02 Oct 2024, 15:42
Affable wrote:
02 Oct 2024, 14:59
My man, but I enjoy living where democracy is exercised pretty good, namely USA. I do not however want to live in Russia —where democracy is foreign to the nation — neither do you. Democracy not only is the best form of government, but also a system that mushrooms a decent, loving people. The American people are a testament to that.
My friend do not write something an iota of it that you do not believe. I do not think you do. But I know you have to parrot the slogan handed down to you. Sad!
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I've never said that PIA is not a dictator. The thread of mine in the link is a proof of my belief in this regard. In fact, I've extensively discussed his dictatorial rule from an array of perspectives on this forum. But what I'm also acknowledging is that, despite his authoritarianism, he has equally a significant number of qualities that many of so-called democrats are miserably lacking.

Give the devil his due, even if you hate them.

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Re: Not all dictators are bad.

Post by Deqi-Arawit » 02 Oct 2024, 18:59

Kerenite and Dark-Energy,


India is called the world’s largest democracy, while communist China is a dictatorship. Which country is faring better in every aspect of human development? The answer is obvious: it’s China. Over the past 30 years, they have managed to lift more than 900 million people out of extreme poverty, becoming the second-largest economy and a global leader in innovation. Meanwhile, India continues to lag behind in almost every aspect. So, if democracy is the remedy for all societal issues, why are the Chinese living, dressing, and eating better than Indians?

The same can be said about Gulf countries, particularly the United Arab Emirates. Dubai is a monarchy where a few families control every aspect of the country, yet look at the living standards of their citizens—they are the envy of the world.

The late Saddam Hussein. Before he went rogue, raising the issue of the Palestinians and invading Kuwait, the man was responsible for virtually eradicating illiteracy in Iraq. The country used to produce some of the best doctors in the world. Where is so-called democratic Iraq now? It’s essentially a de facto Iranian colony because the Shi’a majority trusts their fellow Iranian Shi’a more than their Sunni, Christian, and Kurdish compatriots. And I could go on.

Singapore, is more or less a one-party state. Has the lack of democracy hindered the country’s ability to fully harness the potential of its citizens? Not at all—it is faring far better than Malaysia, which is a democracy, at least on paper.

So, before you scream "democracy," let’s get one thing straight: what comes first is food, water, electricity, education, healthcare, and infrastructure. This is where I oppose the dictator. For instance, In an interview, the dictator didn’t even want to be asked about the condition of his people, yet he kept rambling about Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia, the Soviet Union, American hegemony, the Cold War, and hot wars. When asked about Eritrea’s education system, he cited the number of high school graduates and was baffled about their whereabouts. He even turned the question back to the journalist, asking where they were.

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Re: Not all dictators are bad.

Post by Dark Energy » 02 Oct 2024, 22:13

Deqi,

You have not read Chinese history ? Have you. Heard of Marco Polo, etc…. China is the longest surviving super power of the World. Amerigo Vespucci and Christopher Columbus discovered the new continent, America on their way to China. European civilization blossomed after the plague exported from a China. Then came the super idiotic named Mao Z dong. Who nearly destroyed China believing that Socialism was the future for China ended. Chine is not a stranger to Civilization. Slowly but surely, unlike the Russian bear, China is changing for the better. Without the likes of Amazon, etc.. its pace to economic development would had been a lot slower.

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Re: Not all dictators are bad.

Post by Deqi-Arawit » 03 Oct 2024, 03:47

Dark Energy wrote:
02 Oct 2024, 22:13
Deqi,

You have not read Chinese history ? Have you. Heard of Marco Polo, etc…. China is the longest surviving super power of the World. Amerigo Vespucci and Christopher Columbus discovered the new continent, America on their way to China. European civilization blossomed after the plague exported from a China. Then came the super idiotic named Mao Z dong. Who nearly destroyed China believing that Socialism was the future for China ended. Chine is not a stranger to Civilization. Slowly but surely, unlike the Russian bear, China is changing for the better. Without the likes of Amazon, etc.. its pace to economic development would had been a lot slower.
ስለ ቁዱስ ሚኪኤል፣ ስለ ሃዋርያት፣ ስለ እቶም ቁዱሳት.

Stick to the subjects and don't deviate from the real issue we are discussing. Which country is better run, the world largest democracy India or communist dictatorship china?

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Re: Not all dictators are bad.

Post by Somaliman » 03 Oct 2024, 15:20

In the West, the right to vote is a freedom, but in some countries, like Australia, people do not have a choice, as voting is made mandatory, and failure to vote can result in a fine and even getting sentenced to jail terms!

Where's the fuc'king democracy!

In a democracy, voting should be voluntary.

In the west, both democracy and voting are just a comedy to mislead and fool the gullible public.

Democracy as we see it in the West is nothing more than asking people to choose between the two sides of the same coin. A typical example is currently taking place in the US - choosing between Donald Trump and Kamala Harris.

In addition, as I said it previously, voter turnout has lately been going down all over the West! For instance, the voter turnout at the 2024 general election in the UK was 59.7%! More than 40% of eligible voters, who had registered on the electoral register, as getting your ar'se on the electoral register and updating your fuc'king address on the register is compulsory in the UK, didn't bother to vote! Simply because they've given up on the whole process, as it's not appealing to them anymore.


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Re: Not all dictators are bad.

Post by Zack » 03 Oct 2024, 19:07

I do believe that there can be benevolent dictators, though my natural inclination leans towards democracy and the principle of "one man, one vote." However, democracy is not without its flaws. What if the electorate chooses a leader ill suited for governance, and leadership one who leads the nation into regression? In such cases, the very essence of voting can prove detrimental indeed.

We have, for instance, witnessed several autocrats who have seemingly propelled their nations forward. the kingdom ofSaudi Arabia, under the leadership of its monarchy essentially a form of dictatorship ,has seen remarkable development on many fronts. Similarly, in Rwanda, President Paul Kagame is often praised by his citizens for fostering progress and stability. Though the Congolese might hold a more critical view of Kagame due to regional tensions and conflicts , he is undeniably regarded as a force for good within his own country Rwanda and the cleanest city of Africa Kigali.

As for Eritrea's President Isaias Afewerki,aka the patriotic dictator, while he may have had a promising start, it appears his leadership has since stagnated, particularly in terms of economic, political, and infrastructural development. It seems Eritrea is in need of a fresh vision to move forward.

all in all, both democracy and patriotic authoritarianism carry their own respective advantages and drawbacks. Neither system is without fault, and each must be evaluated based on the context and leadership in question.


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Re: Not all dictators are bad.

Post by Affable » 03 Oct 2024, 19:31

“Neither system is without fault.” That is comparing the incomparable. That is ok. But democracy has the power to correct, not dictatorship. True, people might vote to a demagogue — it is a recent verifiable history — as a result democracy seems failing, but in the next election voters have the chance to correct their mistake. In dictatorship that is unthinkable. The dictator always tries to create an imaginary enemy the nation is facing. The nation is always in danger. Therefore in most cases the nation turns young boys and girls to a fighting force. Who should always lead that fighting force ? The only person who believes his leadership only saves the nation. Is that a belief or a self-promoting wish ? You decide.

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Re: Not all dictators are bad.

Post by Zack » 03 Oct 2024, 19:42

I must agree Deqi Arewit on this issue democracy is not inherently superior to dictatorship it isnt always better. China, perhaps the most undemocratic nation in the world, is a clear example and how immense economic progress can be achieved under a different system of governance. you have to choose what do you want more economic progress or Personal Freedom. You choose.

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