በኢትዮጵያ ላይ ያነሱት ግፊት ወደ አፍሪካና ጥቁር አሜርካኖች ድረስ እየተስፋፋ ነው ። አሁን በያዙ እቀባ ከቀጠሉ ያነሱት ጠብ ያፍሪካ አንድነትና ያሜርካ ጥቁሮች 'Black Lives Matter' ጋር እንደ ሚያያዝ ደጋግሜ ብዬዋለሁ ።
ይህን ግሩም የመላኩ ይልማ ትንተና ተቋደሱ፣ በዚያውም ስለ ቶማስ ሆብስ ማህበራዊ ውልና ልዕልና ቲኦሪ ትንሽ እወቁ !!
Horus,
Well, in my view the one empirical observation here is the following:Horus wrote: ↑05 Jun 2021, 18:56DDT
I posted a bone outline of Hobbes ideas simply because Melaku Yilma of Addis Media mentioned him. Since a lot Ethiopians don't even know who Thomas Hobbes is, I added the video to give a context.
DDT, I am a student of political science from one of the best universities- I have gone through all of them from Plato all the way to John Rawls' Theory of Justice. You have totally misunderstood Hobbes and what he means by Leviathan. Leviathan means a giant sea monster that devours everything. In fact he was warning society of the danger of authoritarianism, but he was the first and greatest political philosopher who clearly traced the origin of the state; why society needs a state, etc.
Yes, then there are folks like John Locke, Stuart Mill, J.J. Rousseau, Thomas Paine and the American founders. I personally like Rousseau, Paine and Locke. But you need to consider all of the elements of political philosophy and theory and their developments. The concept of social contact and sovereignty are two of the many parameters of politics such as will, free will, right, liberty, on & on...
Yes, in the political organization of society, there is a permanent tension between liberty and order, the free individual and the power of the state. And, that is why we have centralization and decentralization, the rule of law, competing branches government, civil liberties and state monopoly of force, etc.
The Germans have a saying, 'order is half of life' and they emphasize order over disorder. Absolute liberty, every man for himself is essentially a political disorder while absolute authority (the Leviathan, the monarchy) is serfdom - a form of slavery of the peasantry. All of these conflicting modes take a whole different nature under a representative government, rule of law, etc. of a modern political community.
As for pre-feudal tribal systems, you are comparing apples and oranges. Prior to the rise of feudalism in all societies we had clan or tribal traditional systems community organization where there was little socio economic development and division of labor. Those simple primitive societies are mere romantic notions. Even under those tribal systems, you had constant conflicts and wars for land, water, grass and animals (resources). That explains the whole history of the eight years cycle of Geda wars in Ethiopia.
Ordinary people are always good, egalitarian and humane. That is what you are referring to, instead what we are talking about the behaviors of the organized Geda generation group's mission of wars and expansions which history has documented and what we witness as we speak. If you want to study the notion of egalitarianism you have to back to era of communal societies where there were very few things to fight about among people.
DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑06 Jun 2021, 06:45Horus,
one more point to add here, it could help to dispel any uncertainty, I think.
In the recent war (or also call it law enforcement operation) in Tigray, the Oromo people mobilized resources like anybody else in the country during the operation to wage the war of self-defense. Once the operation was concluded victoriously the same people also mobilized tons of grains of different kinds and delivered to the same people, which was once the bedrock of the enemy against whom the war/operation was conducted.
At the same time the Amhara people, another major chunk of the Ethiopian people, was calling for a total kneeling down of the "enemy" and we didn't see the tendency or sign of treating the losing party as somebody deserving an aid. You were part of the second group and criticized the action of the Oromo people's representatives, who organized the aid for Tigray in the aftermath of the operation. Didn't you?
Do you think that there could be an influence of the Gada-System's egalitarianism in such differences among the different sectors of the same Ethiopian people? Do you also think this was some kind of a pre-feudal system features of the respective societies?
Noble Amhara wrote: ↑06 Jun 2021, 12:47Child of Satan
Can you show us where Oromia region helps displaced Amharas? Yup NEVER you killers need to stop lying your region or people have no morality at all no sense of humanity you guys were never ever egalitarian rather barbarian look what you guys did to gedeo people and konso people!!! Killed them displaced them and made them starve push them out of their own lands no aid or help for SNNPR as well and no help or aid for AFAR + Gamebllan so please stop bragging about feeding the worst people of the planet “Chigray” and not helping your humble neighbours Rather destroying SNNPR AFAR AMHARA with the help of Shimeles Abdisa and Aba Gada-ye blessing
DefendTheTruth wrote: ↑06 Jun 2021, 06:45Horus,
one more point to add here, it could help to dispel any uncertainty, I think.
In the recent war (or also call it law enforcement operation) in Tigray, the Oromo people mobilized resources like anybody else in the country during the operation to wage the war of self-defense. Once the operation was concluded victoriously the same people also mobilized tons of grains of different kinds and delivered to the same people, which was once the bedrock of the enemy against whom the war/operation was conducted.
At the same time the Amhara people, another major chunk of the Ethiopian people, was calling for a total kneeling down of the "enemy" and we didn't see the tendency or sign of treating the losing party as somebody deserving an aid. You were part of the second group and criticized the action of the Oromo people's representatives, who organized the aid for Tigray in the aftermath of the operation. Didn't you?
Do you think that there could be an influence of the Gada-System's egalitarianism in such differences among the different sectors of the same Ethiopian people? Do you also think this was some kind of a pre-feudal system features of the respective societies?
ወይ ፈረሱ፣ የቅድመ ፊዉዳል ስርዐት ነዉ ስትል ቆይተህ አሁን ደግሞ የሌላ ጎሳ ጉዳይ አይደለም አልክ? ወይ አያልቅበት