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Abolishing ethnic federalism, would that hurt Oromos' interest or not ?

Post by Aurorae Borealis » 21 Dec 2020, 00:02

What ever the majority Ethiopians agree on the system of the government, that is not my business. But, I know, Ethnic federalism is a big divide in Ethiopia. Replacing Ethnic federalism by Switzerland or USA type of federalism, would that help the Oromos or not ? The Oromos dominate ethiopian politics today. The old amhara domination is gone for ever, no matter what system Ethiopia chooses. Oromos and amharas will dominate Ethiopian politics for a long time given that a democratic system in Ethiopia perseveres or prevails. I can not speak for the minority groups. The contention city, namely, Addis Ababa is an Ethiopian capital. It belongs to every Ethiopian. The residents own it, but, it is also the capital of Oromia. Whoever lives and pays local taxes should have a say in the city. Hence, it is your New York city. Minority rights is very critical. Did the weyanes do something good for Ethiopia, they did. The minorities were able to speak their own language. But, the weyanes also isolated the amharas and blamed everything on them, perhaps as the amharas are doing today. That needs to stop and make Ethiopia as the priority. The Amharas and Tigrayans have much more in common they can capitalize on. They need to forgive each other and move on. The Welqait and Raya issue, let the parliament come into consensus without alienating both groups. Let the people of Welqait and Raya decide their own fate including the oppotunity to have their own kilils independently. However, if the Amhara and Tigrayans killis choose to unite, the issue will be moot. Now, back to the title, sorry going astray from it, would a federalism that is not based on Ethnicity hurt Oromos, interest ?

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Re: Abolishing ethnic federalism, would that hurt Oromos' interest or not ?

Post by Noble Amhara » 21 Dec 2020, 02:12

U Tigray b’tch u ain’t even Eritrean. Raya and Welkait will never be there own Kilil that’s like asking Dembea to be it’s own Kilil retard. Oromia region is the sick man of Africa the only province that concerns Abysinnia is Shewa every thing else in oromia is nothing
Tigray garbage

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Re: Abolishing ethnic federalism, would that hurt Oromos' interest or not ?

Post by Follower » 21 Dec 2020, 02:55

Aurorae Borealis wrote:
21 Dec 2020, 00:02
Did the weyanes do something good for Ethiopia, they did. The minorities were able to speak their own language.
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Re: Abolishing ethnic federalism, would that hurt Oromos' interest or not ?

Post by Zack » 21 Dec 2020, 04:40

Ethiopia needs to be divided into six countries.
Independent tigray
Independent afar
Independent amhara
Independent somali
Independent oromo.

Dr Zackovich

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Re: Abolishing ethnic federalism, would that hurt Oromos' interest or not ?

Post by Aurorae Borealis » 21 Dec 2020, 12:02

Follower, definitely not a leader. :lol: :lol:

Your defence is always calling people agame who have superior brain than your inferior brain. Why don't you take out the agame guzmo out of your smelly mouth, that can give a chance to your shy---ty head. :lol: :lol: BTW, most agames are not the enemy of the people of Eritrea, but su---ckers like you are. Can you follow my simple logic. Eritrea is one of the poorest countries in Africa, yet it retains one of the busiest corridor in the world. Thirty years and counting , the population is reduced by 40% percent. Dimwit, are you comfortable with simple data analysis :lol: :lol:

Noble agame,
Where did you learn to call Eritreans agame whom you do not agree with . I am trying to help the two elephants of Ethiopia to grab the opportunities of what the future has to bring. Past grudge should be done away for the sake of future generations. Your brother follower and you miss the gray stuff that place one of the largest animal to be in charge of other innocent lower animals. Testa di merda :twisted: :lol:

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Re: Abolishing ethnic federalism, would that hurt Oromos' interest or not ?

Post by Noble Amhara » 21 Dec 2020, 12:06

Sekeram Tigrinya you will not gain a inch of Amhara land nothing is going to be shared with leper tigrinya

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Re: Abolishing ethnic federalism, would that hurt Oromos' interest or not ?

Post by Aurorae Borealis » 21 Dec 2020, 12:12

Zack,

Ethiopia can not be disintegrated. It is not possible. Territorial dispute would burn the country. The world would not allow it. If you are Tigrayan, find a way to make peace with amharas without hurting your own interest. Preserve democracy within your state. Without a friendly neighbor to the north, meaning Eritrea, life will not be good in Tigray. Weyane's biggest mistake was holding on a piece of land that was ruled Eritrean by the international court. Isayas never forgets. You don't need an enemy like him, but the weyanes were stubborn. Hence, where Tigray is today.

Noble agame,
Eritrea never sought a piece of amhara land. Tigrigna is what I am. Eritrean Tigrigna that is. I demand respect for that. :evil: :lol:

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Re: Abolishing ethnic federalism, would that hurt Oromos' interest or not ?

Post by Noble Amhara » 21 Dec 2020, 12:28

Agame is Tigrinya speaking people we will not share any land with tigrinya ever again we will build a wall to keep leper Tigray out of Amhara Welkait Alamata etc

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Re: Abolishing ethnic federalism, would that hurt Oromos' interest or not ?

Post by Temt » 21 Dec 2020, 12:39

Aurorae Borealis wrote:
21 Dec 2020, 12:02
Follower, definitely not a leader. :lol: :lol:

Your defence is always calling people agame
Duh! If the shoe fits wear it ቆርባዕ ዓጋመ! You ain't fooling nobody, but yourself idiot!

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Re: Abolishing ethnic federalism, would that hurt Oromos' interest or not ?

Post by Abaymado » 21 Dec 2020, 13:01

Agame boy, you are just speaking or breathing what the coward TPLF's dream. Amhara will not unite with the defeated cancer agame. Agames should be isolated for at least 10 years as they are menace to the Horn of Africa.

The Welqayt's issue is closed. Refrendum on Welqayt and Raya could be conducted only after some arrangements, for instance after settling of Amharas in welqayt and raya.
The agame's settlers which was become inhabitants of Welqayt by Weyane should be discounted or should be deported to their native region.

All in all, every thing what was happened in Welqayt and Raya should investigated thoroughly. counting the massacred, uprooted Amharas and also thousands of agame's settlers should accounted.

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Re: Abolishing ethnic federalism, would that hurt Oromos' interest or not ?

Post by Aurorae Borealis » 21 Dec 2020, 16:14

Temt,

Take agame shilho/[ deleted ] out of your mouth and call me in the morning. :lol: :lol: You are not fooling anyone aszzhole. You are the worst enemy of the Eritrean people. You can't be Eritrean and be an enemy of Eritreans at the same time. Shyyyt head, Eritrea has no economy, and you are applauding it. Weyane is gone. Now, who is your next enemy ?

ጠምት ኣንታ ድርባይ ጠባቢ ሽልሖ የእዱግ ጽባሕ ከ ንመን ኢኻ ክትጉምባሕ
? :twisted:


Abaymado,

Another agame in disguise, hope Ethiopia survivies stupid people like you. :twisted: :x

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Re: Abolishing ethnic federalism, would that hurt Oromos' interest or not ?

Post by Abere » 21 Dec 2020, 16:29

@Aurorae Borealis
Ethiopia does not need ethnic federalism. Ethnic or tribal federalism and ethnic political party is legally banned in Africa. Ethiopia has been guinea pig of this due to the idiot hate filled Tigre liberation Front. Ethnic federalism is a never again thing in Ethiopia. I am wondering why you are advocating or even questioning it? It seems you have a significant interest or stake with TPLF - it is smelling exactly like that. This an uncalled issue you are talking about.

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Re: Abolishing ethnic federalism, would that hurt Oromos' interest or not ?

Post by Aurorae Borealis » 21 Dec 2020, 16:51

Abere,

Are guys language challenged ? Why don't you read what I wrote , and read it again. You don't want Ethnic federalism, most Oromos do. All I am saying is, what if Ethnic federalism is dropped ? Would that hurt the Oromos ? I know how you think. I was just asking the Oromos who advocate Ethnic federalism. :lol:



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Re: Abolishing ethnic federalism, would that hurt Oromos' interest or not ?

Post by Abaymado » 21 Dec 2020, 17:18

Look this mthfker agame, another Abebe.B

you want to be here A peace broker, hhhh --- you can't! you are defeated. and you have no option but just to accept the will of the winner.
ቀድሞ ነበር መጥኖ መደቆስ አሁን ምን ያረጋል ድስት ጥዶ ማልቀስ ይላል ተረቱ !!

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Re: Abolishing ethnic federalism, would that hurt Oromos' interest or not ?

Post by Za-Ilmaknun » 21 Dec 2020, 17:45

Aurorae Borealis wrote:
21 Dec 2020, 00:02
What ever the majority Ethiopians agree on the system of the government, that is not my business. But, I know, Ethnic federalism is a big divide in Ethiopia. Replacing Ethnic federalism by Switzerland or USA type of federalism, would that help the Oromos or not ? The Oromos dominate ethiopian politics today. The old amhara domination is gone for ever, no matter what system Ethiopia chooses. Oromos and amharas will dominate Ethiopian politics for a long time given that a democratic system in Ethiopia perseveres or prevails. I can not speak for the minority groups. The contention city, namely, Addis Ababa is an Ethiopian capital. It belongs to every Ethiopian. The residents own it, but, it is also the capital of Oromia. Whoever lives and pays local taxes should have a say in the city. Hence, it is your New York city. Minority rights is very critical. Did the weyanes do something good for Ethiopia, they did. The minorities were able to speak their own language. But, the weyanes also isolated the amharas and blamed everything on them, perhaps as the amharas are doing today. That needs to stop and make Ethiopia as the priority. The Amharas and Tigrayans have much more in common they can capitalize on. They need to forgive each other and move on. The Welqait and Raya issue, let the parliament come into consensus without alienating both groups. Let the people of Welqait and Raya decide their own fate including the oppotunity to have their own kilils independently. However, if the Amhara and Tigrayans killis choose to unite, the issue will be moot. Now, back to the title, sorry going astray from it, would a federalism that is not based on Ethnicity hurt Oromos, interest ?
I am not sure who gets hurt or stands to benefit if we are to stay with Ethnic Federalism/identity politics. However, let's see what it advocates and litigate the system based on its merits or lack there of:

1- Everyone is assigned to a certain political party affiliation based on ethnic heritage even before birth.
2. Individuals living outside of a designated ethnic enclaves are invisible in the political participation of the country.
3. There are majority identity groups in a certain ethnic enclaves which are categorized to be part of who they are not. If you atke majority of the City's in the country they are dominated by ppl of various ethnic backgrounds.
4. There are probably more people with mixed ethnic heritage than any one ethnic group and they are not represented by any of the enclaves.
5.There are about 86 ethnic groups in the country and only 10 Regional administrations. There is no set criteria which limit as to who could request to be a Region ( Like Wolaiyta is doing and being denied). A few individuals could claim to establish a region of their own and, there is no legal text that could prevent that. That exposes the system to divide and re-dived again and again to make the country ungovernable.. The only way the government seems to avoiding this is by applying illegal military force.
6. Identity politics makes ideological based debates meaningless as everything is tied to only who one is. Merits are secondary.
7. Resource mobility is curtailed because of lack of guarantee that ones investments are protected ..like what we have witnessed recently in shashemene and other towns in Oromiya
8. It dilutes national identity to potentially expose the country to be influenced by foreign forces who aligns with one particular group to the determent of others. (Like Egypt is trying to do with Tigrai)
9.Dominant ethnic groups could perpetually be the only significant political players in the country and minority interests are subjugated to that of the majority.
10. Majority ethnic groups could buy out the interests of minorities by coopting the elites in the minority.
The list goes on ....

However, to answer your question, a group that controls the federal power structure enjoys disproportionate advantage in terms of diverting the national resources to its enclaves and imposing its will on to the others until such a time comes when it is replaced by another to be at the receiving end. TPLF did that and now OLF is doing it.

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Re: Abolishing ethnic federalism, would that hurt Oromos' interest or not ?

Post by Aurorae Borealis » 21 Dec 2020, 18:12

Z,
You did a good job what Ethnic Politics does. My contention is, what would like the absence of it . I think there is a misconception and misunderstanding of the absence of it. Is there any clear beneficiary and none beneficiary with or without of it. The grass roots need to be taught the advantages/disadvantages of either side of it. Otherwise back to square one.


Abay loser,
Let us say, the discussion is a bit above you. Actually, it is way above you. You are just a monkey. The monkey protests. :lol: :lol:

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Re: Abolishing ethnic federalism, would that hurt Oromos' interest or not ?

Post by Za-Ilmaknun » 21 Dec 2020, 19:02

Aurorae Borealis wrote:
21 Dec 2020, 18:12
Z,
You did a good job what Ethnic Politics does. My contention is, what would like the absence of it . I think there is a misconception and misunderstanding of the absence of it. Is there any clear beneficiary and none beneficiary with or without of it. The grass roots need to be taught the advantages/disadvantages of either side of it. Otherwise back to square one.


Abay loser,
Let us say, the discussion is a bit above you. Actually, it is way above you. You are just a monkey. The monkey protests. :lol: :lol:
I tried to list some of the cons of ethnic Federalism. I was hopping those who stand to gain from it could present their views in support of the system. I can list what I can think of;

1. It empowers those who are given a certain enclave to be their domain in the form of self administration. They get the local government employment, they are connected and have better access to the government power and related resources.

2. They have unfair advantage over those who are designated none main ethnic groups in any particular enclaves to advance their culture and language.

Honestly speaking, there aren't much to mention if one is to be a fair judge. However, there is a system of governance that can accommodate self administration at the same time treating every citizen equally. I am not sure if one can talk about identity politics and democracy in one sentence. The system was coined by TPLF (called Zenawisim) to divide and rule while staying at the top of the food chain. Otherwise, such a system works immensely against minorities. The chances of minorities to hold meaningful federal positions is at the mercy of the majorities. Some think that the 4 parties front aka EPRDF was formed based on the text in the constitution. But that party was the direct opposite of the constitution and very exclusionist in its essence. This is the big elephant in the room that OLF seems unwilling to have a conversation about...and this will be to the dismay of so many who have so far been lining up behind the so called change agents... :mrgreen: :lol: :lol: Very interesting time is ahead of us. Stay tuned!!


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