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[Dama]

The inhabitants are Gurage. A vast region of fertile soil. A dense population expected as a characteristic of central Ethiopia. Has the this Gurage opulation already shifted to speaking Oromo or just colonized without rights to their own language?


Is there anyone from there on this forum?

[Noble Amhara]

Gelila are a tribe found in Wonchi/Dendi lake mountians meaning the residents are Gelila whom spoke a language similar to Girage

North of Gelila is Ambo which was called Ganz province home to the Gafat people who border span from Ambo to Gojam Abay river down to Holeta and into Horu Gudru Welega (Bizamo)

[Horus]

Gelila are a tribe found in Wonchi/Dendi lake mountians meaning the residents are Gelila whom spoke a language similar to Girage

North of Gelila is Ambo which was called Ganz province home to the Gafat people who border span from Ambo to Gojam Abay river down to Holeta and into Horu Gudru Welega (Bizamo)

ወንጪ በጉራጌኛ ምንጭ ማለት ነው ። ወንጪ ሃይቅ የምንጭ ሃይቅ ማለት ነው።

[Dama]

Gelila are a tribe found in Wonchi/Dendi lake mountians meaning the residents are Gelila whom spoke a language similar to Girage

North of Gelila is Ambo which was called Ganz province home to the Gafat people who border span from Ambo to Gojam Abay river down to Holeta and into Horu Gudru Welega (Bizamo)

It's a vast region according to the map provided by Tesfanews under the topic of Halaba on this forum.

Thank you both. I have not known this vast region of Gurage. As large as or close to the Gurage region itself. Gurage lost to Oromo half of its region simply because Gurage chose pacifism while lands are taken by armed Oromo at gunpoint.

Way to lose. Gurage has become a metaphor for land and language loss.
Saaaad!!!

[Misraq]

The remaining Gurages will also be vanished if Amhara won't save them. Gurage at one time probably was a majority. It was reduced to minority by Oromos. Ironically, Gurages are working with PP-Oromuma for their own demise.

[Dama]

The remaining Gurages will also be vanished if Amhara won't save them. Gurage at one time probably was a majority. It was reduced to minority by Oromos. Ironically, Gurages are working with PP-Oromuma for their own demise.

Good saleman for Fano. Where is the entry point on Sudan/Ethiopia border?
Let's save each other from Oromo.

Pagan Horus? Yes he works for PP-Oromuma. He ain't Gurage. He is a dedeb Galla

[Sadacha Macca]

Tigrayan brother dama, I understand that some tigrayans are obsessed with the Lands of others, because tigray is tiny and therefore not viable as an independent state. As an Oromo, I am sad for you guys and wish you the best. But crying and salivating over Oromo lands won't make your situation better. Your focus would better serve Tigrayans if it were about the famine, thirst, and many other problems affecting Tigray.
The Gurage would be foolish if they chose to be mercenaries of the tplf to fight their much stronger and closer neighbors, the Oromos, with whom they've been inter marrying with for centuries. Many of my family members married Gurages and I am of partial Silte ancestry myself, and out of respect for them, I do not call them Gurage though. There is no separating us, we're too integrated with each other. But since you're from an isolated tigrayan place, I do not expect you to know this.

[Noble Amhara]

You wanted to talk about Qemant and Agew we will talk about Gafat and Gelila

[Sadacha Macca]

Noble Tigrayan aka union aka tesfanews aka abdeaziz, I was talking to your tigrayan brother dama. Unless you're admitting that dama is one of many accounts that you use here?

[Dama]

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[Dama]

Tigrayan brother dama, I understand that some tigrayans are obsessed with the Lands of others, because tigray is tiny and therefore not viable as an independent state. As an Oromo, I am sad for you guys and wish you the best. But crying and salivating over Oromo lands won't make your situation better. Your focus would better serve Tigrayans if it were about the famine, thirst, and many other problems affecting Tigray.
The Gurage would be foolish if they chose to be mercenaries of the tplf to fight their much stronger and closer neighbors, the Oromos, with whom they've been inter marrying with for centuries. Many of my family members married Gurages and I am of partial Silte ancestry myself, and out of respect for them, I do not call them Gurage though. There is no separating us, we're too integrated with each other. But since you're from an isolated tigrayan place, I do not expect you to know this.

I wouldn't tell my family member he/she is from this or that ethnic group. I mean how would that happen. If they want to tell traditions, stories about their heritage, I would listen. Also, if I have a question about their roots, their family history that I am interested in, I would ask. It doesn't make sense to me when you said, "out of respect, I don't call them Gurage". Or are you just being a vexing oneg?

Here are two democratic principles, just and fair principles, you and I should agree on about people and their lands, history and language.
1. Respect for the will of the People, above and beyond everything. If the Gurage populations adjacent to Oromo are in Oromo region out of their will, it's a violation of their basic fundamental rights of consent. Oromo should the right thing. Let them go! Don't imprison them.

2. While they are administered by Oromo, Oromo should respects their history, cultures and and language. In respect of this, Oromo allows, facilitates their rights to use and develop these assets. Alos, Ormo makes sure a sa legal obligation, they fully participate in Oromo politics to elect and be elected.

Amara and Gurage do all the above. The Gurage Zone Chief Administrator is from the Oromo group of Gurage. Before him was an individual from the Kebena Group in Gurage.
Oromos in Amara govern themselves, elect Amara leaders, get elected to Amara political leadership, and primary education is offered in oromo language.

[Odie]

The remaining Gurages will also be vanished if Amhara won't save them. Gurage at one time probably was a majority. It was reduced to minority by Oromos. Ironically, Gurages are working with PP-Oromuma for their own demise.

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ምስራቅ
Let Amhara save itself. Gurage does not need a savior but a partner in struggle. Savior is not the right term. Gurage should find a solution by itself. If conducive, partnering with Amhara Fano is a viable and good option for gurage. The youth should explore that opportunity. I agree with dama it is time Gurage has to be assertive and should not be sold to Oromo fascists like a sheep. The problem is the gurage regions close to addis and Oromo are tricked to submit with so called development. I don’t know how many gurage shops are closed recently in the pretense of hoarding due to free falling birr!

[Dama]

The remaining Gurages will also be vanished if Amhara won't save them. Gurage at one time probably was a majority. It was reduced to minority by Oromos. Ironically, Gurages are working with PP-Oromuma for their own demise.

……..

ምስራቅ
Let Amhara save itself. Gurage does not need a savior but a partner in struggle. Savior is not the right term. Gurage should find a solution by itself. If conducive, partnering with Amhara Fano is a viable and good option for gurage. The youth should explore that opportunity. I agree with dama it is time Gurage has to be assertive and should not be sold to Oromo fascists like a sheep. The problem is the gurage regions close to addis and Oromo are tricked to submit with so called development. I don’t know how many gurage shops are closed recently in the pretense of hoarding due to free falling birr!

Gurage lands annexation by Oromo is huge, more than the existing Gurage proper. Gelila and Gafat territories are twice the size of the present Gurage.
Gurage lands and language loss is not only the Gurage youth problem. It's a problem for all ages and both genders. As long as one is healthy enough, there will be something a volunteer at war front will be able to do such as cooking, food serving, nurse, errands, clerk, teacher of maths, science, languages, technical skills such laptop and cellular phone repairs, carpentry, electricity, etc. Everyone doesn't have to shoot though everyone should learn how to.

In joining organizations like Fano, with the hope of contributing to Amara effort in reducing or eliminating the dangers cooked by the renewed armed Oromo nationalist expansion is to learn and start a Gurage Renewal Front(GRF), just Meles first trained in Eritrea and then came to Tigray . The Amara success in curbing and limiting the aggression of Oromuma will definitely benefit Gurage as well.

We know who supports Oromuma. We, Amara and Gurage, shall carry out a systematic strategic diplomatic efforts and drain its support.

[Naga Tuma]

Gelila are a tribe found in Wonchi/Dendi lake mountians meaning the residents are Gelila whom spoke a language similar to Girage

North of Gelila is Ambo which was called Ganz province home to the Gafat people who border span from Ambo to Gojam Abay river down to Holeta and into Horu Gudru Welega (Bizamo)

Do you have a solid scholarly reference for this?

I am not a student of history. However, I know some anecdotes that are yet to become a fuller picture of history.

The generation before me in the area called themselves Borana and Gabaro.

About 10 years ago, I asked a simple question on this forum: Who are the Gabaro of Ethiopia?

They didn’t call themselves Amhara or Guraghe. I have heard one story that Gabaro is a corrupted version of Gabare, land tiller. It was how they identified themselves unlike the pejorative identification ቆቱ by “others.”

I remember in the early 1990s about a story of a college student from Arsi. When other people asked his identity, he mentioned his Gosa. Some people got amused that he was so backward to have failed to call himself Oromo while speaking Oromigna.

I also remember hearing that before 1991, people in Hararghe identified themselves as Muslims instead of Oromo and that after 1991, they started to identify themselves as Oromo. One would ask why they hadn’t naturally identified themselves as Oromo before 1991.

A while back, I asked on this forum: ኦሮሞ ማነዉ?

So, if the Borana identified themselves as Borana instead of Oromo, who are the Oromo?

I am positive that this question sounds silly in the minds of cadres.

I am asking a scientific question that may take them a long time to fathom.

A scientific question gets more interesting with time.

Just recently, I realized the similarities in አከም፣ ሐኪም፣ አከመ after learning ከሜላህ means አከም ኣለህ?

A serious scholarly question here is how is it that one who says አከም is perceived to be, in the eyes of history, different in identity from another who says ሐኪም፣ አከመ?

[Dama]

Prof.Richard Pankhurst..history of Ethiopia
Prof.Wolf Leslau....Semitic languages of Ethiopia
3 volume books on Gurage languages including extinct Gafat whose most northern border was Abbay River

[Noble Amhara]

1. Identity

From what I heard from my grandma West Hararghe call themselves "Ituu" and Arsi "Barentu" and the Metehara "Karayu" the orgin of oromo is the word "Il Orma" the Borana are the first Oromo speaking clan by the way Oromo has a family tree of conquerers

Basically 2 brothers Borana and Barentu left Borana zone and migrated north their sons (Tulama, Karayu, Macha, Wallo) would settle in certain lands intermix with locals and make locals identify as "Tulama, Macha, Ittuu" etc

Barentu children who eventually form the eastern oromo clans (Arsi, Hararghe, Karayu, Walo, Raya) and Boranas children would eventually form the western oromo (Shawa, Jimma, Walaga, Illubabor)

So when you call yourself "Tulama" you are referring to a person first and foremost.

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2. Galila Tribe Source

Gelila are a tribe found in Wonchi/Dendi lake mountians meaning the residents are Gelila whom spoke a language similar to Girage

North of Gelila is Ambo which was called Ganz province home to the Gafat people who border span from Ambo to Gojam Abay river down to Holeta and into Horu Gudru Welega (Bizamo)

Do you have a solid scholarly reference for this?

I am not a student of history. However, I know some anecdotes that are yet to become a fuller picture of history.

The generation before me in the area called themselves Borana and Gabaro.

About 10 years ago, I asked a simple question on this forum: Who are the Gabaro of Ethiopia?

They didn’t call themselves Amhara or Guraghe. I have heard one story that Gabaro is a corrupted version of Gabare, land tiller. It was how they identified themselves unlike the pejorative identification ቆቱ by “others.”

I remember in the early 1990s about a story of a college student from Arsi. When other people asked his identity, he mentioned his Gosa. Some people got amused that he was so backward to have failed to call himself Oromo while speaking Oromigna.

I also remember hearing that before 1991, people in Hararghe identified themselves as Muslims instead of Oromo and that after 1991, they started to identify themselves as Oromo. One would ask why they hadn’t naturally identified themselves as Oromo before 1991.

A while back, I asked on this forum: ኦሮሞ ማነዉ?

So, if the Borana identified themselves as Borana instead of Oromo, who are the Oromo?

I am positive that this question sounds silly in the minds of cadres.

I am asking a scientific question that may take them a long time to fathom.

A scientific question gets more interesting with time.

Just recently, I realized the similarities in አከም፣ ሐኪም፣ አከመ after learning ከሜላህ means አከም ኣለህ?

A serious scholarly question here is how is it that one who says አከም is perceived to be, in the eyes of history, different in identity from another who says ሐኪም፣ አከመ?

[Odie]

1. Identity

From what I heard from my grandma West Hararghe call themselves "Ituu" and Arsi "Barentu" and the Metehara "Karayu" the orgin of oromo is the word "Il Orma" the Borana are the first Oromo speaking clan by the way Oromo has a family tree of conquerers

Basically 2 brothers Borana and Barentu left Borana zone and migrated north their sons (Tulama, Karayu, Macha, Wallo) would settle in certain lands intermix with locals and make locals identify as "Tulama, Macha, Ittuu" etc

Barentu children who eventually form the eastern oromo clans (Arsi, Hararghe, Karayu, Walo, Raya) and Boranas children would eventually form the western oromo (Shawa, Jimma, Walaga, Illubabor)

So when you call yourself "Tulama" you are referring to a person first and foremost.

Please wait, video is loading...

2. Galila Tribe Source

Gelila are a tribe found in Wonchi/Dendi lake mountians meaning the residents are Gelila whom spoke a language similar to Girage

North of Gelila is Ambo which was called Ganz province home to the Gafat people who border span from Ambo to Gojam Abay river down to Holeta and into Horu Gudru Welega (Bizamo)

Do you have a solid scholarly reference for this?

I am not a student of history. However, I know some anecdotes that are yet to become a fuller picture of history.

The generation before me in the area called themselves Borana and Gabaro.

About 10 years ago, I asked a simple question on this forum: Who are the Gabaro of Ethiopia?

They didn’t call themselves Amhara or Guraghe. I have heard one story that Gabaro is a corrupted version of Gabare, land tiller. It was how they identified themselves unlike the pejorative identification ቆቱ by “others.”

I remember in the early 1990s about a story of a college student from Arsi. When other people asked his identity, he mentioned his Gosa. Some people got amused that he was so backward to have failed to call himself Oromo while speaking Oromigna.

I also remember hearing that before 1991, people in Hararghe identified themselves as Muslims instead of Oromo and that after 1991, they started to identify themselves as Oromo. One would ask why they hadn’t naturally identified themselves as Oromo before 1991.

A while back, I asked on this forum: ኦሮሞ ማነዉ?

So, if the Borana identified themselves as Borana instead of Oromo, who are the Oromo?

I am positive that this question sounds silly in the minds of cadres.

I am asking a scientific question that may take them a long time to fathom.

A scientific question gets more interesting with time.

Just recently, I realized the similarities in አከም፣ ሐኪም፣ አከመ after learning ከሜላህ means አከም ኣለህ?

A serious scholarly question here is how is it that one who says አከም is perceived to be, in the eyes of history, different in identity from another who says ሐኪም፣ አከመ?

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Call Misraq,
So far you were BEADEN!
Now you come out as Oromuma of some sort? I don't think you are Noble showan. Ke-bale-betu ya-weke bu-da new!!! KKKKKKK!
OROMO name came from the German nazi Lutheran who called them Oromo when he was trying to convert them Oromo colony inside Ethiopia. Ever since they have not been good citizens!!
Go figure.

[Sadacha Macca]

We've been calling ourselves ilma Orma loooong before the German j krapf came to Ethiopia dude. You are showing how ignorant you are when you post such nonsensical things dude. It's okay to NOT know. But it's not okay to pretend that you know something.

[Naga Tuma]

1. Identity

From what I heard from my grandma West Hararghe call themselves "Ituu" and Arsi "Barentu" and the Metehara "Karayu" the orgin of oromo is the word "Il Orma" the Borana are the first Oromo speaking clan by the way Oromo has a family tree of conquerers

Basically 2 brothers Borana and Barentu left Borana zone and migrated north their sons (Tulama, Karayu, Macha, Wallo) would settle in certain lands intermix with locals and make locals identify as "Tulama, Macha, Ittuu" etc

Barentu children who eventually form the eastern oromo clans (Arsi, Hararghe, Karayu, Walo, Raya) and Boranas children would eventually form the western oromo (Shawa, Jimma, Walaga, Illubabor)

So when you call yourself "Tulama" you are referring to a person first and foremost.

Thank you for sharing what you have heard and understand.

I am interested in a much deeper history of Ethiopia than the oral stories of just about 500 years by Ethiopian families from north to south and east to west.

What you write here is a tiny fraction of Ethiopia’s age old history.

A very important chapter in this age old history is what happened at the time of introduction of Christianity in Shawa some 700 years ago.

A oral story I heard a while back goes that a man by the name Abay Babo fled to Borana by refusing to accept Christianity. I don’t know if it is true.

If it is true, were there others in his community who accepted it while he fled.

I consider the Borana a control group to understand the influence of Christianity in Ethiopia.

A crucial question here is which group of people in Ethiopia retained most the wisdom of Ethiopians that lived before Christianity was born. Going even further back, during the era of Moses.

Do you know? If you don’t, that is the daunting task that ought to precede any talk of renaissance.

[Naga Tuma]

We've been calling ourselves ilma Orma loooong before the German j krapf came to Ethiopia dude. You are showing how ignorant you are when you post such nonsensical things dude. It's okay to NOT know. But it's not okay to pretend that you know something.

It is simply illogical for anyone to call the self Ilma Orma, የባዕድ ልጅ (ወንድ።) ባለቤቱ እራሱን ባዕድ ኣይልም።