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Are some Ethiopians trying to turn Abiy into a Gorbachev to be replaced by a Yeltsin

Post by justo » 27 May 2023, 01:26

The well-intentioned Abiy, like the well-intentioned Gorbachev, is being emasculated by his own people, especially the loud mouths among them. Without Gorbachev doing anything wrong and doing practically everything right, his grip on power was weakened by a one-two punch from the US and local loud-mouths, until room was made for the drunkard Yeltsin to take over.

I know this is not going to happen, but the problem is whether it happens or not, it is weakening Abiy and Ethiopia in the process.

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Re: Are some Ethiopians trying to turn Abiy into a Gorbachev to be replaced by a Yeltsin

Post by justo » 27 May 2023, 02:12

Give the man a breathing space for Pete's sake

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Re: Are some Ethiopians trying to turn Abiy into a Gorbachev to be replaced by a Yeltsin

Post by sesame » 27 May 2023, 02:17

Abiy has a genius for inflicting major political punches on himself. Here is a man who started with a huge capital of good-will squandering it like a drunken gambler. Take, for example, the demolishing of homes and Mosques in Addis. Why is that an urgent matter for him now? Doesn't he have enough problems to grapple with? He seems to be operating on a "How to lose support as fast as possible" manual. To demolish Mosques, no matter how dilapidated, is to offend millions of Muslims. I ask you, why does he need to do that? What about his policies to disarm Fano and thus get on a collision course with Amharas? It is obvious that the man lacks political finesse. He could have become the greatest leader Ethiopia had seen. But he has squandered the opportunity. That is Mediocrity with a capital M.

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Re: Are some Ethiopians trying to turn Abiy into a Gorbachev to be replaced by a Yeltsin

Post by justo » 27 May 2023, 02:25

sesame wrote:
27 May 2023, 02:17
Abiy has a genius for inflicting major political punches on himself. Here is a man who started with a huge capital of good-will squandering it like a drunken gambler. Take, for example, the demolishing of homes and Mosques in Addis. Why is that an urgent matter for him now? Doesn't he have enough problems to grapple with? He seems to be operating on a "How to lose support as fast as possible" manual. To demolish Mosques, no matter how dilapidated, is to offend millions of Muslims. I ask you, why does he need to do that? What about his policies to disarm Fano and thus get on a collision course with Amharas? It is obvious that the man lacks political finesse. He could have become the greatest leader Ethiopia had seen. But he has squandered the opportunity he had. That is Mediocrity with a capital M.
I totally agree, on almost all points you make (except may be that on mediocrity), I have even commented on some of the these myself previously, but notwithstanding his short-comings, the current reaction to his short-comings has been disproportional.

A leader, unless given resonable space to perform, is not going to perform at all. And that they gave him massive support in the beginning is not going to help now when they are criticising him for every move he makes.

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Re: Are some Ethiopians trying to turn Abiy into a Gorbachev to be replaced by a Yeltsin

Post by TGAA » 27 May 2023, 02:32

justo wrote:
27 May 2023, 01:26
The well-intentioned Abiy, like the well-intentioned Gorbachev, is being emasculated by his own people, especially the loud mouths among them. Without Gorbachev doing anything wrong and doing practically everything right, his grip on power was weakened by a one-two punch from the US and local loud-mouths, until room was made for the drunkard Yeltsin to take over.

I know this is not going to happen, but the problem is whether it happens or not, it is weakening Abiy and Ethiopia in the process.
Neither Gerbachove nor yalson were Abiy kind of nehelistc.

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Re: Are some Ethiopians trying to turn Abiy into a Gorbachev to be replaced by a Yeltsin

Post by Noble Amhara » 27 May 2023, 04:02

Abi is no angel just like all creatures he has a shadow

He was raised muslim but today he is destroying mosques in Addis he has a tendency to betray those who help him the most

So what happened to Agazi and neftegna?

If he and his Jimman Oromo base want to operate the same as their predecessors go ahead!!! Enjoy the shxtttshow!

Let's see how the Muslims of ENDF will react to this garbage

This is just one out of 100 mistakes violating Ethiopias constitution. Just as you can hate on Isaias we can correct Abiy! The thing is isaias is more smarter and logical he will never go against any Eritrean group. He does not entertain tribalism (tigre Vs tigrinya Vs afar Vs Saho) although his economic policies may not be the best due to western sabotage he is still a patriot for his country.

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Re: Are some Ethiopians trying to turn Abiy into a Gorbachev to be replaced by a Yeltsin

Post by justo » 27 May 2023, 05:04

Noble Amhara wrote:
27 May 2023, 04:02
Abi is no angel just like all creatures he has a shadow

He was raised muslim but today he is destroying mosques in Addis he has a tendency to betray those who help him the most
The protest for this not coming from the mosques themselves, but from other quarters. And tomorrow, you're going to criticise him if he builds them better mosques.

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Post by Digital Weyane » 27 May 2023, 05:22

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Re: Are some Ethiopians trying to turn Abiy into a Gorbachev to be replaced by a Yeltsin

Post by Abdisa » 27 May 2023, 05:35

In the face of imminent threats from Egypt, it is incumbent upon PM Abiy's administration to bring the various armed groups in the country under a federal command to meet the looming threats head on, because a house divided cannot stand.

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Re: Are some Ethiopians trying to turn Abiy into a Gorbachev to be replaced by a Yeltsin

Post by justo » 27 May 2023, 05:57

In their unique ways, Isaias and Abiy are role models for African leaders. I hope the next generation of Eritrean and Ethiopian leaders blend the positive qualities of these two leaders, address their weaknesses and build on their strengths, then we will have a harmonious and peaceful HoA, where every country adds value to every other country and not the zero-sum game of woyane.

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Re: Are some Ethiopians trying to turn Abiy into a Gorbachev to be replaced by a Yeltsin

Post by Right » 27 May 2023, 06:55

Give the man a breathing space for Pete's sake
Eris are giving up on their own country and overwhelmed by issues of Ethiopia more than the Ethiopians.
Why can’t he give a breathing room for Ethiopians by resigning from the job he is not capable of doing.

Or better take him to Eritrea and let him replace the one and only leader of the banana republic of African North Korea.

Maferia.

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Re: Are some Ethiopians trying to turn Abiy into a Gorbachev to be replaced by a Yeltsin

Post by justo » 27 May 2023, 07:23

Right wrote:
27 May 2023, 06:55
Give the man a breathing space for Pete's sake
Eris are giving up on their own country and overwhelmed by issues of Ethiopia more than the Ethiopians.
Why can’t he give a breathing room for Ethiopians by resigning from the job he is not capable of doing.

Or better take him to Eritrea and let him replace the one and only leader of the banana republic of African North Korea.

Maferia.
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Re: Are some Ethiopians trying to turn Abiy into a Gorbachev to be replaced by a Yeltsin

Post by Right » 27 May 2023, 08:39

Parasite. Anyways you will end up be eaten by the Islamic Republic of Eritrea.
Free my beloved people of Afars.

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Re: Are some Ethiopians trying to turn Abiy into a Gorbachev to be replaced by a Yeltsin

Post by Misraq » 27 May 2023, 09:39

Never in Ethiopian politics a leader started with a huge political capital as Abiy Ahmed. But in a mere 5 years, he lost it all. The guy is way lower than what people see on the screen in terms of intellect, wit and character. Let alone leading a complex nation, Abiy is not capable to administer a kebele.

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Re: Are some Ethiopians trying to turn Abiy into a Gorbachev to be replaced by a Yeltsin

Post by Dark Energy » 27 May 2023, 11:00

Justo,

You don’t know Russian politics, do you ? Abbiy is no Gorbachev or Yeltson. Gorbachev was a global visionary leader. Abbiy is a street dictator wannabe thug. Yelson was a nationalist leader. Gorbachev lost his position when the Russian, Ukrainian and that little state next to Russia decided to dissolve the Union. It is like Yelson was equivalent to Oromian President, and the Amhara region president to be the equivalency to the Ukrainian president of the time. If Ethiopia decides to dissolve, the Soviet Union way, you would see the same results today. Abbiy is a lot like Putin. A street thug who uses his wife’s image as a clean man. He is not a good Oromo either. :lol:

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Re: Are some Ethiopians trying to turn Abiy into a Gorbachev to be replaced by a Yeltsin

Post by Dark Energy » 27 May 2023, 11:21

Belarus is the Russian poodle as Tigray is the Oromya poodle. :lol:

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Re: Are some Ethiopians trying to turn Abiy into a Gorbachev to be replaced by a Yeltsin

Post by DefendTheTruth » 27 May 2023, 11:34

Look at this thread, as an example. They are (almost) all Eritreans discussing Ethiopian issue(s) and they do it as if they knew it/them better than the Ethiopians themselves. The main problem with that is not they discussing Ethiopian issue(s), but trying to look at it(them) through the Eritrean glasses.

Eritrea has seen a one man rule for a generation, from which Ethiopia has departed itself and adopted a rule of democracy. In a democracy it is the people (the majority) which determines who should be in power. To the current generation of Eritreans this is an alien idea.

If Ethiopians decide they will remove Abiy tomorrow (well after the end of his term), his responsibility is in upholding the terms of the rule that brought him there, as a care taker of the affairs of the people, until the end of his term.

If you are talking about those loud noises on the streets, then they are entitled to that too, because it is granted to them by the same rule that brought Abiy to power.

Many people think that having the right to one's voices and the right to rule are one and the same. It is not! To rule you need the majority of the voices, while to vent your voices you don't have to.

It is not about Abiy that is at stake here, it is about Ethiopia's future, realising the difference could also help here.

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Re: Are some Ethiopians trying to turn Abiy into a Gorbachev to be replaced by a Yeltsin

Post by DefendTheTruth » 27 May 2023, 12:09

justo wrote:
27 May 2023, 01:26
The well-intentioned Abiy, like the well-intentioned Gorbachev, is being emasculated by his own people, especially the loud mouths among them. Without Gorbachev doing anything wrong and doing practically everything right, his grip on power was weakened by a one-two punch from the US and local loud-mouths, until room was made for the drunkard Yeltsin to take over.

I know this is not going to happen, but the problem is whether it happens or not, it is weakening Abiy and Ethiopia in the process.
justo,

I think you should be someone who shouldn't miss one important point. Even if Abiy may have to be removed from power, then there is no way in the current set up of the Ethiopian state that those with the loudest noises here and there may come to replace him.

Abiy represents a party and the party decides who should replace him and I don't think those making the loudest noises will ever get a chance for that.

If they may remove him by force, then the next round of forceful removal will get triggered before this round of removal has even ended.

This is called vicious cycle of violence and many Ethiopians will not agree with that, or better said fed-up with it. This is the key point that you or someone wishing to analyse Ethiopian politics shouldn't miss.

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Re: Are some Ethiopians trying to turn Abiy into a Gorbachev to be replaced by a Yeltsin

Post by TesfaNews » 27 May 2023, 12:20

The Northerners (Tigrrinya) are dominating this Ethio Platform

List of Eritreans on this Ethiopian Forum

Zmeselo
Deki Arawit
Pushkin
Ejersa
Eritrea
Asmara
Abdisa
Fiyameta
Kerenite
Justo
Jaegol
Zemen
Sun
Euroland
Tarik
Abe Abraham
Mesob
Temt
Judgement Day
Tesfanews


List of Tigrayan Accounts

Eden
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Kerenite
Mesob
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Dark Energy
Thomas H
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Tigray People
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DefendTheTruth wrote:
27 May 2023, 11:34
Look at this thread, as an example. They are (almost) all Eritreans discussing Ethiopian issue(s) and they do it as if they knew it/them better than the Ethiopians themselves. The main problem with that is not they discussing Ethiopian issue(s), but trying to look at it(them) through the Eritrean glasses.

Eritrea has seen a one man rule for a generation, from which Ethiopia has departed itself and adopted a rule of democracy. In a democracy it is the people (the majority) which determines who should be in power. To the current generation of Eritreans this is an alien idea.

If Ethiopians decide they will remove Abiy tomorrow (well after the end of his term), his responsibility is in upholding the terms of the rule that brought him there, as a care taker of the affairs of the people, until the end of his term.

If you are talking about those loud noises on the streets, then they are entitled to that too, because it is granted to them by the same rule that brought Abiy to power.

Many people think that having the right to one's voices and the right to rule are one and the same. It is not! To rule you need the majority of the voices, while to vent your voices you don't have to.

It is not about Abiy that is at stake here, it is about Ethiopia's future, realising the difference could also help here.

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Re: Are some Ethiopians trying to turn Abiy into a Gorbachev to be replaced by a Yeltsin

Post by Dark Energy » 27 May 2023, 13:33

Wimp,

So, the only Eritreans are higdefites who worship Mr. Isayas Afeworqi!,,,, No opposing figures are allowed ? Fuc—-Coker, look at your ugly face in the mirror. You are coward and you are as Eritrean as Tarik or ape Abraham is. Adgi wedi adgi :evil: :lol:
Mesob is Eritrean ? I rest my case. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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