Mereja Forum

[TGAA]

During the height of the last offensive that crippled tplf advancement to Addis, there was a talk of Abiy contacting Jawar and Bekle Gerba while they were in prison. It was the time when Ethiopian nationalism got reached the highest pitch ever. Ethiopian nationalism for Abiy or his predecessor Meles was a means to an end but never an end in self. For the former to cripple weyanes and for the latter to attack Eritrea, both were deep down anti-Ethiopian nationalism. They use Ethiopian nationalism to fend off a threat to their power but once that threat goes, they go back to their core belief that their tribal agenda has to dominate the national agenda. Jewar and Bekele Gerba were watching on national TV scared of what this Ethiopian nationalism meant to their agenda of Oromo-dominated Ethiopia. While they watch Amhara’s who were wholly disarmed by Weyanes started to be organized and armed to defend themselves against weyanes, what Jawar later on termed the militarization of Amhara. Since Weyane and Abiy’s ormuma are at their core tragical allies, the tactical alliance that was formed to dethrone weyaes has grown to be a threat in the long run to oromuma agenda. Those meeting behind closed prison doors between Abiy , Jawar and Bekle cemented the agreement between the two camps. The agreement was don’t criticise me as anti-Oromo, I will implement your anti-Ethiopian agenda hook, line, and sinker without question. That is exactly what he has been doing since then. soiling Fano's name by saying they were armed by killing Ethiopian defense forces, he called Addis Ababian's Oromo haters, BADN put in 14,000 Fanos by Abiy's order those heroes who stood and fought with ENDF, Abiy came out boldly to Implement Jewar’s earlier agenda of breaking up the Ethiopian Orthodox Church and started an open war against the church, and finally, he ordered his armies on Ethiopians who were celebration ADWA killing and gassing them in their day of Adwa victory celebration. Had Jawar been in power he would not have done differently.
Look and compare what Jawar and Bekele Gerba has been doing to what Abiy has been doing in practical terms. Both Jawar and Bekele have been saying good things about Abiy despite an objection from the radicalized Oromo communities in the diaspora. Abiy to make peace with weyanes , he appointed Tigrian as Minster of defense and removed Gedu from national security, and in both Pretoria and Kenya meetings (twice) Amharas weren’t represented. Amhara issues were decided to be dealt with nod and wink between Oromuma and weyanes till the right time, but we all know what their intentions are. It looks like Amharas and other Ethiopians have recognized the dagger Abiy is preparing for them, it seems, finally, they wake up and are willing to fight.

[Axumezana]

The war with Tigray was not Abiy's plan but Isaias and Amhara extermist planned it. Now you are reaping what you sow and enjoy it. .

[TGAA]

Don't worry we are fully ready to deal with for what comes . Your miscalculation going to burn you on both side of your end again.

[Za-Ilmaknun]

The war with Tigray was not Abiy's plan but Isaias and Amhara extermist planned it. Now you are reaping what you sow and enjoy it. .

TPLF triumphantly declared that the lightening strike against the unsuspecting ENDF soldiers in Tigray only took 45 minutes to decommission the entire army. TPLF confiscated about 80% of the Country's strategic and heavy weaponry that would enable them to reclaim the throne at Menilik palace. Alas ! little did they know that Fano would block their advance to make way for Abiy's army reorganize and rout the TPLF militia in a little over two weeks.

[DefendTheTruth]

During the height of the last offensive that crippled tplf advancement to Addis, there was a talk of Abiy contacting Jawar and Bekle Gerba while they were in prison. It was the time when Ethiopian nationalism got reached the highest pitch ever. Ethiopian nationalism for Abiy or his predecessor Meles was a means to an end but never an end in self. For the former to cripple weyanes and for the latter to attack Eritrea, both were deep down anti-Ethiopian nationalism. They use Ethiopian nationalism to fend off a threat to their power but once that threat goes, they go back to their core belief that their tribal agenda has to dominate the national agenda. Jewar and Bekele Gerba were watching on national TV scared of what this Ethiopian nationalism meant to their agenda of Oromo-dominated Ethiopia. While they watch Amhara’s who were wholly disarmed by Weyanes started to be organized and armed to defend themselves against weyanes, what Jawar later on termed the militarization of Amhara. Since Weyane and Abiy’s ormuma are at their core tragical allies, the tactical alliance that was formed to dethrone weyaes has grown to be a threat in the long run to oromuma agenda. Those meeting behind closed prison doors between Abiy , Jawar and Bekle cemented the agreement between the two camps. The agreement was don’t criticise me as anti-Oromo, I will implement your anti-Ethiopian agenda hook, line, and sinker without question. That is exactly what he has been doing since then. soiling Fano's name by saying they were armed by killing Ethiopian defense forces, he called Addis Ababian's Oromo haters, BADN put in 14,000 Fanos by Abiy's order those heroes who stood and fought with ENDF, Abiy came out boldly to Implement Jewar’s earlier agenda of breaking up the Ethiopian Orthodox Church and started an open war against the church, and finally, he ordered his armies on Ethiopians who were celebration ADWA killing and gassing them in their day of Adwa victory celebration. Had Jawar been in power he would not have done differently.
Look and compare what Jawar and Bekele Gerba has been doing to what Abiy has been doing in practical terms. Both Jawar and Bekele have been saying good things about Abiy despite an objection from the radicalized Oromo communities in the diaspora. Abiy to make peace with weyanes , he appointed Tigrian as Minster of defense and removed Gedu from national security, and in both Pretoria and Kenya meetings (twice) Amharas weren’t represented. Amhara issues were decided to be dealt with nod and wink between Oromuma and weyanes till the right time, but we all know what their intentions are. It looks like Amharas and other Ethiopians have recognized the dagger Abiy is preparing for them, it seems, finally, they wake up and are willing to fight.

Don't write a long essay of a fiction, simply say what is in your mind, which we know by now:

"We wanted to take the gain from the North (removing TPLF first) and then march to the South and dethrone the government in the capital and bring back everything from the Menelik era, which was stipulated by the late Asmenaw Tsige. But Abiy cut our dream short, by not marching to Mekelle and finish off TPLF". That is where your debacle lies. Simple!

Now keep l**king the self-inflicted wounds of your own making and yelling the ghosts of the dead at public rallies: Menelik, Asmanew Tsigie, አልሞተም እንጂ እስክንድር ተብዬዉም ከሙታን በላይ አይደለም ለነገሩ!

[Abe Abraham]

During the height of the last offensive that crippled tplf advancement to Addis, there was a talk of Abiy contacting Jawar and Bekle Gerba while they were in prison. It was the time when Ethiopian nationalism got reached the highest pitch ever. Ethiopian nationalism for Abiy or his predecessor Meles was a means to an end but never an end in self. For the former to cripple weyanes and for the latter to attack Eritrea, both were deep down anti-Ethiopian nationalism. They use Ethiopian nationalism to fend off a threat to their power but once that threat goes, they go back to their core belief that their tribal agenda has to dominate the national agenda. Jewar and Bekele Gerba were watching on national TV scared of what this Ethiopian nationalism meant to their agenda of Oromo-dominated Ethiopia. While they watch Amhara’s who were wholly disarmed by Weyanes started to be organized and armed to defend themselves against weyanes, what Jawar later on termed the militarization of Amhara. Since Weyane and Abiy’s ormuma are at their core tragical allies, the tactical alliance that was formed to dethrone weyaes has grown to be a threat in the long run to oromuma agenda. Those meeting behind closed prison doors between Abiy , Jawar and Bekle cemented the agreement between the two camps. The agreement was don’t criticise me as anti-Oromo, I will implement your anti-Ethiopian agenda hook, line, and sinker without question. That is exactly what he has been doing since then. soiling Fano's name by saying they were armed by killing Ethiopian defense forces, he called Addis Ababian's Oromo haters, BADN put in 14,000 Fanos by Abiy's order those heroes who stood and fought with ENDF, Abiy came out boldly to Implement Jewar’s earlier agenda of breaking up the Ethiopian Orthodox Church and started an open war against the church, and finally, he ordered his armies on Ethiopians who were celebration ADWA killing and gassing them in their day of Adwa victory celebration. Had Jawar been in power he would not have done differently.
Look and compare what Jawar and Bekele Gerba has been doing to what Abiy has been doing in practical terms. Both Jawar and Bekele have been saying good things about Abiy despite an objection from the radicalized Oromo communities in the diaspora. Abiy to make peace with weyanes , he appointed Tigrian as Minster of defense and removed Gedu from national security, and in both Pretoria and Kenya meetings (twice) Amharas weren’t represented. Amhara issues were decided to be dealt with nod and wink between Oromuma and weyanes till the right time, but we all know what their intentions are. It looks like Amharas and other Ethiopians have recognized the dagger Abiy is preparing for them, it seems, finally, they wake up and are willing to fight.

Don't write a long essay of a fiction, simply say what is in your mind, which we know by now:

"We wanted to take the gain from the North (removing TPLF first) and then march to the South and dethrone the government in the capital and bring back everything from the Menelik era, which was stipulated by the late Asmenaw Tsige. But Abiy cut our dream short, by not marching to Mekelle and finish off TPLF". That is where your debacle lies. Simple!

Now keep l**king the self-inflicted wounds of your own making and yelling the ghosts of the dead at public rallies: Menelik, Asmanew Tsigie, አልሞተም እንጂ እስክንድር ተብዬዉም ከሙታን በላይ አይደለም ለነገሩ!

Very strange statement ! Do you think the people who had trouble defending themselves ( for lack of weapons ) would contemplate to march to Addis (the centre ) to overthrow the government ? Then, who told you that Abiy cut the non-existing dream by not marching to Mekelle* to finish off TPLF as you seem to suggest with some degree of satisfaction ? Do you want a civil war between the two giants of Ethiopia with devastating consequences for Tigrayans and others ?


* The decision was taken by the Americans.

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[Sadacha Macca]

It seems that, your entire post is based on ''there were talks,'' and ''there were reports,'' and ''there were rumors,'' as opposed to your post being based on actual, factual, evidence. Tangible evidence. Credible sources and so on.
Of course, governments, regardless of the ethnicity of its leaders, will use nationalism for its goals, this occurs all over the world, not just in Ethiopia, the country that was created essentially by certain European elites & and their generals.
As far as the war with the TPLF goes, the Amara militias got involved for their own interests first and foremost; since they did not want their enemy the TPLF coming back to power, nor did they want to lose a chance to ''regain'' lost lands, such as Welkait, which they didn't try to take for decades, until they saw this chance.
Prior to that, they were protesting here and there, but didn't dare try military action to take welkait ''back.''
As far as jawar and bekele goes, they are doing what they believe is best for their people and the nation too, and will get things wrong from time to time, same goes for the ''unionist'' parties who wish to ''dismantle federalism,'' despite the fact that it can be said, a large portion (if not a majority) of Ethiopia's nations & nationalities wanting it to remain and improve, as opposed to being abolished completely and replaced with a system that is perceived to be more Amara friendly.
The addis ababa comment may be true partially, historically, because we know how they used to mock oromo's, their culture, our attempts to speak and learn amharic, and now, many of you guys cry to see an oromo flag raised there and the oromo language become prominent there, even though Addis is almost entirely surrounded by Oromia, its people, its resources and so on.
Basically, you guys love the water, food, and labor, the oromo produce and contribute to the city, but detest, fear and abhor the oromo nation, unless you can get in a position to subjugate the oromo nation, even if it means you have to beg for firearms from the white man to do that; (as opposed to begging for help on how to become self sufficient in food production and so on).

Also, can you prove that it was jawar's agenda to ''break up the church''?
Just curious to see if you have actual facts to back up your claims, or if it's just propaganda as usual.
If you feel Amara's weren't represented, then who represented the somali there? the afar? the gurage? etc? did you cry for them too? or nah?
who represents the country, regardless of ethnicity, in those kinds of treaties, dealings with the intl community, etc? it's the Prosperity Party, for better or worse, and whether or not you agree or not. Are the Amara's a monolith, that can be represented by just one party or individuals, by the way? If so, out of genuine curiosity, who would be the best representative for them?
It can be argued that the pm didn't represent the oromo there either, he went there representing his parties interests, and secondly, the countries, at least, theoretically.

You are talking on behalf of ''other ethiopians,'' yet I did not see them electing you to speak on their behalf, nor did I see them forming any kind of opposition, whether in the diaspora or back home; so where's your proof for that claim?
As far as Amara's go, they can fight, protest, or whatever they want, that is their right, but to claim to speak for others, is quite bold and false, too.

[TGAA]

During the height of the last offensive that crippled tplf advancement to Addis, there was a talk of Abiy contacting Jawar and Bekle Gerba while they were in prison. It was the time when Ethiopian nationalism got reached the highest pitch ever. Ethiopian nationalism for Abiy or his predecessor Meles was a means to an end but never an end in self. For the former to cripple weyanes and for the latter to attack Eritrea, both were deep down anti-Ethiopian nationalism. They use Ethiopian nationalism to fend off a threat to their power but once that threat goes, they go back to their core belief that their tribal agenda has to dominate the national agenda. Jewar and Bekele Gerba were watching on national TV scared of what this Ethiopian nationalism meant to their agenda of Oromo-dominated Ethiopia. While they watch Amhara’s who were wholly disarmed by Weyanes started to be organized and armed to defend themselves against weyanes, what Jawar later on termed the militarization of Amhara. Since Weyane and Abiy’s ormuma are at their core tragical allies, the tactical alliance that was formed to dethrone weyaes has grown to be a threat in the long run to oromuma agenda. Those meeting behind closed prison doors between Abiy , Jawar and Bekle cemented the agreement between the two camps. The agreement was don’t criticise me as anti-Oromo, I will implement your anti-Ethiopian agenda hook, line, and sinker without question. That is exactly what he has been doing since then. soiling Fano's name by saying they were armed by killing Ethiopian defense forces, he called Addis Ababian's Oromo haters, BADN put in 14,000 Fanos by Abiy's order those heroes who stood and fought with ENDF, Abiy came out boldly to Implement Jewar’s earlier agenda of breaking up the Ethiopian Orthodox Church and started an open war against the church, and finally, he ordered his armies on Ethiopians who were celebration ADWA killing and gassing them in their day of Adwa victory celebration. Had Jawar been in power he would not have done differently.
Look and compare what Jawar and Bekele Gerba has been doing to what Abiy has been doing in practical terms. Both Jawar and Bekele have been saying good things about Abiy despite an objection from the radicalized Oromo communities in the diaspora. Abiy to make peace with weyanes , he appointed Tigrian as Minster of defense and removed Gedu from national security, and in both Pretoria and Kenya meetings (twice) Amharas weren’t represented. Amhara issues were decided to be dealt with nod and wink between Oromuma and weyanes till the right time, but we all know what their intentions are. It looks like Amharas and other Ethiopians have recognized the dagger Abiy is preparing for them, it seems, finally, they wake up and are willing to fight.

Don't write a long essay of a fiction, simply say what is in your mind, which we know by now:

"We wanted to take the gain from the North (removing TPLF first) and then march to the South and dethrone the government in the capital and bring back everything from the Menelik era, which was stipulated by the late Asmenaw Tsige. But Abiy cut our dream short, by not marching to Mekelle and finish off TPLF". That is where your debacle lies. Simple!

Now keep l**king the self-inflicted wounds of your own making and yelling the ghosts of the dead at public rallies: Menelik, Asmanew Tsigie, አልሞተም እንጂ እስክንድር ተብዬዉም ከሙታን በላይ አይደለም ለነገሩ!

"We wanted to take the gain from the North (removing TPLF first) and then march to the South and dethrone the government in the capital and bring back everything from the Menelik era, which was stipulated by the late Asmenaw Tsige.
Funny, wasn't Abiy who supposedly led the final offensive to dislodge TPLF, the same army he led would have gone to Addis to overthrow him ? As far as Fano's concerned they were fighting off weyanes onslaught with whatever they got to let alone think about Abiy. You know that Mekle was overtaken within 3 weeks, and Abiy was bluffing that weyanes were turned into dust , soon after to do "strategical withdrawal" leaving all the heavy weaponry to weyanes. Out of thin air you pulled " stipulated by the late Asmenaw Tsige" Asamenew Tsigei emphasizes were since weyane in the north and shimils in the south were training in 100 thousand, we need to do the same. Period. you are stipulating nonsense. About the dead or the living Heros ,people are free to rever whoever they want to .

[TGAA]

It seems that, your entire post is based on ''there were talks,'' and ''there were reports,'' and ''there were rumors,'' as opposed to your post being based on actual, factual, evidence. Tangible evidence. Credible sources and so on. It is called "inductive reasoning " You must have heard about the news then if you were following Oromo Bloggers, media, which I think you did. If you didn't it --then you were out of the loop. that is where I heard about it but at the time I didn't give it that much weight.
(Of course, governments, regardless of the ethnicity of its leaders, will use nationalism for its goals, this occurs all over the world, not just in Ethiopia- good point but (in other countries they don't reverse and attack it ) they keep it potent all the time. Not in the tribal state of Ethiopia.
(the country that was created essentially by certain European elites & and their generals. It was able to keep its freedom for thousneds years but created by "certain European elites " that is some kind of epiphany on your part. ) (disjoint at best and incomprharansable at worst. )
As far as the war with the TPLF goes, the Amara militias got involved for their own interests first and foremost; since they did not want their enemy the TPLF coming back to power, nor did they want to lose a chance to ''regain'' lost lands, such as Welkait, which they didn't try to take for decades until they saw this chance. They were attacked so once you are attacked the legal means they were following to address the issue is mute .
Prior to that, they were protesting here and there, but didn't dare try military action to take welkait ''back.''
As far as jawar and bekele goes, they are doing what they believe is best for their people and the nation too, and will get things wrong from time to time, same goes for the ''unionist'' parties who wish to ''dismantle federalism,'' despite the fact that it can be said, a large portion (if not a majority) of Ethiopia's nations & nationalities wanting it to remain and improve, as opposed to being abolished completely and replaced with a system that is perceived to be more Amara friendly. Here your argument is convoluted No party or individual argued against the federal system but it has to be a real democratic federalism (fiefdom has nothing to do with federalism )
The addis ababa comment may be true partially, historically, because we know how they used to mock oromo's, their culture, our attempts to speak and learn amharic, and now, many of you guys cry to see an oromo flag raised there and the oromo language become prominent there, even though Addis is almost entirely surrounded by Oromia, its people, its resources and so on. The Vatican is in the middle of Italia , and gets service from Rome but is has its own administration , because the water comes from Rome doesn't make it part of the Roman Administration. Addis Ababa is the capital of all Ethopians as such it has to reflect in all its ways an Ethiopian character. As far as language etc concerned it has to be a national agenda not particularly Oromia's or Amharas or any other .
Basically, you guys love the water, food, and labor, the oromo produce and contribute to the city, but detest, fear and abhor the oromo nation, unless you can get in a position to subjugate the oromo nation, even if it means you have to beg for firearms from the white man to do that; (as opposed to begging for help on how to become self sufficient in food production and so on). Fanna Broadcasting!

Also, can you prove that it was jawar's agenda to ''break up the church''? well, as far as I remember OMN was owned by Jawar and they have propagated but it failed , but Abiy wanted to use the Federal Administration to enforce it.
Just curious to see if you have actual facts to back up your claims, or if it's just propaganda as usual.
If you feel Amara's weren't represented, then who represented the somali there? the afar? the gurage? etc? did you cry for them too? or nah? The second largest nationality in Ethiopia that was directly affected by the war was excluded by accident -- I have a bridge to sell you .
who represents the country, regardless of ethnicity, in those kinds of treaties, dealings with the intl community, etc? it's the Prosperity Party, for better or worse, and whether or not you agree or not. Are the Amara's a monolith, that can be represented by just one party or individuals, by the way? If so, out of genuine curiosity, who would be the best representative for them?
It can be argued that the pm didn't represent the oromo there either, he went there representing his parties interests, and secondly, the countries, at least, theoretically.

You are talking on behalf of ''other ethiopians,'' yet I did not see them electing you to speak on their behalf, nor did I see them forming any kind of opposition, whether in the diaspora or back home; so where's your proof for that claim?
As far as Amara's go, they can fight, protest, or whatever they want, that is their right, but to claim to speak for others, is quite bold and false, too.

Yes, other Ethiopians have had it with expansionist and greedy Oromo criminal politicians, so it is the concern of all Ethipans, just wait a few years you will see how things will coalesce against mogassist politics. you might not notice the gathering storm, but it is gathering, brother.

[DefendTheTruth]

Very strange statement ! Do you think the people who had trouble defending themselves ( for lack of weapons ) would contemplate to march to Addis (the centre ) to overthrow the government ? Then, who told you that Abiy cut the non-existing dream by not marching to Mekelle* to finish off TPLF as you seem to suggest with some degree of satisfaction ? Do you want a civil war between the two giants of Ethiopia with devastating consequences for Tigrayans and others ?


* The decision was taken by the Americans.

Abe Abraham,

I thought you were a man of logic, independent of which side you stood with regard to the concerete issues discussed here.

If you find this a strange statement, then please come forward and explain the logic of how "FANO" was able to spare the ENDF. According to this line of thought if it was not for Fasno, TPLF has overtaken the country already during the first couple of weeks. We were spared by the entity, the claim goes!

Haven't you ever read this contemplation?