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Post by Noble Amhara » 07 Dec 2022, 00:17

Article
https://www.ethiopia-insight.com/2022/0 ... esentment/
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For an independent observer, the power struggle among Oromo nationalists doesn’t look like a fight between brothers but rather one between arch enemies of two different ethnic groups.

It is also sad to see Oromo nationalists proudly talking about their region being home to Gadaa democracy, and yet they cannot resolve their differences through peaceful means.

Self-destruction

Some Oromo nationalist factions also appear to have adopted a strategy of cleansing Oromia of other groups, both to win their intra-ethnic power struggle and also perhaps to realize the long-dreamt hom0ogenous, independent Oromia.

Some thus found it convenient to kill ethnic minorities, mainly Amharas, in their region.

Looking at these atrocities, one would be forced to wonder whether Oromo nationalists really understand their leverage.

The presence of ethnic Amharas in Oromia, for example, has been considerable political leverage for Oromo elites. If it were not for the vulnerability of Amharas in Oromia, Oromo elites would have perhaps been unable to seize central power in 2018.

Amharas were second in line and had a legitimate claim to assume the premiership following the resignation of former Prime Minister Hailemariam Desalegn. Among others, it was a concern for the safety of their people, who are found dispersed all over Oromia, that forced them to let Oromo elites assume the position without much contestation.

Accordingly, as the killing and displacing of Amharas in Oromia continues, Oromo elites will face tougher and uncompromising Amharas at the national level, and the likelihood of a full-blown civil war becomes real.
Oromo nationalism conveniently disregards the fact that Oromia is geographically disadvantaged and landlocked and surrounded by many other ethnic groups, which in the absence of Ethiopia will certainly fight against it. Kenya, South Sudan, SNNPR, Gambela, Afar, Benishangul, Somali, Amhara

As much as it is its leverage, Oromia’s location at the center is also its primary weakness, where in the absence of the Ethiopian state, border disputes with other groups around it compromise its viability as a sovereign state.

Self-sufficient myth
Oromo nationalism also views Oromia as an island of richness where everything needed for survival is found abundantly.

The outcome of this mistaken belief of self-sufficiency is that Oromo youth are made to adopt the simplistic view that all of the nation’s problems are imposed from outside; the cause of every problem is externalized, even those almost endemic to Oromo politics.

The youth are effectively made a prisoner of the past and barred from aspiring to life beyond Oromia. Their ability to imagine working, investing, and prospering outside of Oromia is severely constrained.

Another emerging trend in Oromo politics is a desire to possess everything, be it the country’s political power, history, or resources. This is true despite the fact that the anti-Ethiopian state ideology is still intact among some of the most influential elites.

It, therefore, appears that Oromo nationalism at this point is in a state of confusion: its proponents are stuck in the past but also want to control the present and the future.

Oromo nationalists dream of carving out a country called Oromia from Ethiopia, but at the same time seek to reconfigure Ethiopia in their own image. They disown whatever is Ethiopian, including Oromos at the helm of power, but also fight against the center

Most importantly, Oromo nationalism has failed to cross the river of resentment, resistance, and retaliation, and thus remains a captive of its history and successes..

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Re: Must Read "-TGAA

Post by Horus » 07 Dec 2022, 00:56

I have not read the full article but from is posted here on ER, Zola Moges recounted a lot of good observations that should have led him a serious conclusion. Oromos are a composite people; they are constituted out of many and different original cultures and ethnic groups. The litany of self-contradictions, inconsistencies and disunities of Oromos listed by the writer have their roots in very nature of Oromos. Zola's conclusion should have been that there is no unified Oromo nationalism, Oromo culture, Oromo psychology or Oromo history. Oromoism is a work in progress ever shifting, changing, evolving. This is precisely why they are unable to organize their own functioning kllil leave alone lead Ethiopia with a singular vision. እዚህ ፎረም ላይ ደጋግሜ እንዳልኩት ኦሮሞ ማለት የኦሮሞኛ ቋንቋ የሚናገሩ ልዩ ልዩ ጎሳዎች ስብስብ ነው ። ሃቁ ይህ ነው !!

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Re: Must Read "-TGAA

Post by Noble Amhara » 07 Dec 2022, 01:43

Horus wrote:
07 Dec 2022, 00:56
I have not read the full article but from is posted here on ER, Zola Moges recounted a lot of good observations that should have led him a serious conclusion. Oromos are a composite people; they are constituted out of many and different original cultures and ethnic groups. The litany of self-contradictions, inconsistencies and disunities of Oromos listed by the writer have their roots in very nature of Oromos. Zola's conclusion should have been that there is no unified Oromo nationalism, Oromo culture, Oromo psychology or Oromo history. Oromoism is a work in progress ever shifting, changing, evolving. This is precisely why they are unable to organize their own functioning kllil leave alone lead Ethiopia with a singular vision. እዚህ ፎረም ላይ ደጋግሜ እንዳልኩት ኦሮሞ ማለት የኦሮሞኛ ቋንቋ የሚናገሩ ልዩ ልዩ ጎሳዎች ስብስብ ነው ። ሃቁ ይህ ነው !!
I cant say it any better!

The Jimmans (PP) and Welegans (OLF) are enemies on tiktok both vowing to take control of Oromia by power

while the Tulama Shewans are confused without their own leaders compromise to either Jimma Nationalists or Welega Nationalists. Tulama leaders have largely failed to represent the Shewan Constituency and mobilize their demographic while Welega and Jimma successfully do so. The Tulama need to have a Ras Gobana less the idiots Welega and Jimma start turning Tulama lands into a warzone

The Arsi Bale Highlanders Haraghe all trusted Jawar to become their leader after failing to do so they have remained largely in peace while the Welegans remain the Rebashoch of the kilil

The Guji Bale Lowlanders Borana do not know what is Ethiopia they may join Kenya in the future as they are not apart of the issue and concerns of oromo nationalists and elites in Ethiopia they are going through major drought so nobody cares about them

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Re: Must Read "-TGAA

Post by TGAA » 07 Dec 2022, 02:03

Oromos had a golden opportunity to unite the Ethiopian people which in return would have united Oromos people without being conceived a threat to anyone. That would have helped them to keep their unique regional and religious differences intact and more united as well. But they swallowed the weyane poison and inculcated in the mind of the young Oromos that anything Amharas and by extension Ethiopians like has to be hated abandoned and erased. Surprisingly everything other Ethiopians have is somewhat that was robbed from them nothing exists in Ethiopia that is not an Oromo. Look what they are doing in Addis Ababa in a very coordinated fashion Abiy, Shimils and Adanch are pushing to snatch the national capital exclusively to make it their own, If you say what is the problem ??? then go check and see the life of other Ethiopians who live 50 kM /100 KM from Addis Ababa Beshofto / Debrbrhan and Adama/Nazrit to know what is at a store for 7 million Addisababians. They are leading a hostage life -- they are being threatened if they dear to select other than what is expected of them . do you remember jawar's threat saying a democratic election has its own consequences? As the article points out, within the past 4 years with the speed of light they have got the enmity of all other nationals because Abiy says Ethiopia to soothe the unsuspected Ethiopians,Shimils does the opposite, but Abiy is there to defend shimils . All are playing their assigned role. Abiy is a man who thinks things have to be incrementally so that the boat should not crack too soon, but for Shimles things has to be burned down, and other Ethiopians are cleansed from Oromia as soon as possible --- both have been consistent. see what they do, not what they say -- no one can miss it. When the pressure comes from all angles, which already started to happen, this forced pseudo-unity of ormos against other Ethiopians is going to crack. Yes at the beginning as we witnessed during "የጀዋር ከበቡሽ ጥሪ" they going to have a field day slaughtering innocents, but they are doing it now because it is a project. "Abiy always barrages he finish the project he started" that Time will tell.

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Re: Must Read "-TGAA

Post by Horus » 07 Dec 2022, 02:56

Any kind of unity that is formed around an external "enemy" or external factor lasts only until that real or perceived external unifier is present. So, why Oromo unity hangs on "nefetegna" bogeyman is understandable. If our thesis, that Oromo is a linguistic composite of different ethnics and cultures is true, then Oromos lack internal unifying elements; hence, the need for an external common enemy. That is how I read it.

Second, all politics is local. All said and done, the Shewa Oromo eventually will go with Shewa politics and Shewa power dynamics, not with Bale or Borena . So expect further divisions and internal fissures among the multitude of Oromo clans.

Third, all politics is about power and money . Take the recently minted new Oromuma city- Sheger city. A lot of simplistic folks are so scared of this Addis encircling hydra (monster ዘንዶ). My predictions are the opposite. Sheger city will combine ሱሉልታ፣ ገፈርሳ፣ ሰበታ፣ ለገጣፎ፣ እና ገላን ። All of these 'cities' have their middle men, land merchants and land thieves. What you will see is not a unified 'Sheger' choking of Addis Abeba. Instead, we will see an intense power and money struggle among all kinds of Oromo elites.

In the end power and money don't follow the logic of ethnic affiliation. All politics is local. All politics is about power and money. Both power and money are local resources and controlled locally!!!

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Re: Must Read "-TGAA

Post by kibramlak » 07 Dec 2022, 06:31

Horus wrote:
07 Dec 2022, 00:56
I have not read the full article but from is posted here on ER, Zola Moges recounted a lot of good observations that should have led him a serious conclusion. Oromos are a composite people; they are constituted out of many and different original cultures and ethnic groups. The litany of self-contradictions, inconsistencies and disunities of Oromos listed by the writer have their roots in very nature of Oromos. Zola's conclusion should have been that there is no unified Oromo nationalism, Oromo culture, Oromo psychology or Oromo history. Oromoism is a work in progress ever shifting, changing, evolving. This is precisely why they are unable to organize their own functioning kllil leave alone lead Ethiopia with a singular vision. እዚህ ፎረም ላይ ደጋግሜ እንዳልኩት ኦሮሞ ማለት የኦሮሞኛ ቋንቋ የሚናገሩ ልዩ ልዩ ጎሳዎች ስብስብ ነው ። ሃቁ ይህ ነው !!

this is true. Look at the faces and morphology of those in Shoa. They are different from those in Harar or Wokega etc, .... I think, those who look like the Kenyans might be relatively "pure" oromos. The showans do look like to Amharas or Gurages. Yes, they just happen to have adapted the language. That's it

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Re: Must Read "-TGAA

Post by Noble Amhara » 07 Dec 2022, 07:29

kibramlak wrote:
07 Dec 2022, 06:31
Horus wrote:
07 Dec 2022, 00:56
I have not read the full article but from is posted here on ER, Zola Moges recounted a lot of good observations that should have led him a serious conclusion. Oromos are a composite people; they are constituted out of many and different original cultures and ethnic groups. The litany of self-contradictions, inconsistencies and disunities of Oromos listed by the writer have their roots in very nature of Oromos. Zola's conclusion should have been that there is no unified Oromo nationalism, Oromo culture, Oromo psychology or Oromo history. Oromoism is a work in progress ever shifting, changing, evolving. This is precisely why they are unable to organize their own functioning kllil leave alone lead Ethiopia with a singular vision. እዚህ ፎረም ላይ ደጋግሜ እንዳልኩት ኦሮሞ ማለት የኦሮሞኛ ቋንቋ የሚናገሩ ልዩ ልዩ ጎሳዎች ስብስብ ነው ። ሃቁ ይህ ነው !!
A sizeable portion of shewa tulama are in fact Amhara and Gurage .

South West Shewa Zone | Guraghe
Wonchi - Gelila Gurage
Waliso - Chebo Gurage
Sodo - Sodo Gurage
Ambo - Gafat Gurage
salale e | Amhara\gafat

While

West Shewa zone all the way to sululta has Gafat ancestory and the Gafat are deep down Agaws in Shewa with unique phenotype. The Gafat faded away easily because they refused to convert to Tewahado meaning they had no survival mechanism. (Religion helps avoid assimilation)

The Welayta also dominated Shewa (Damot Kingdom) meaning there are many layers of ethnic diversity

Click the link to see welayta people



this is true. Look at the faces and morphology of those in Shoa. They are different from those in Harar or Wokega etc, .... I think, those who look like the Kenyans might be relatively "pure" oromos. The showans do look like to Amharas or Gurages. Yes, they just happen to have adapted the language. That's it

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Re: Must Read "-TGAA

Post by DefendTheTruth » 07 Dec 2022, 08:27

Noble Amhara wrote:
07 Dec 2022, 00:17
Article
https://www.ethiopia-insight.com/2022/0 ... esentment/
.
.

For an independent observer, the power struggle among Oromo nationalists doesn’t look like a fight between brothers but rather one between arch enemies of two different ethnic groups.

It is also sad to see Oromo nationalists proudly talking about their region being home to Gadaa democracy, and yet they cannot resolve their differences through peaceful means.

Self-destruction

Some Oromo nationalist factions also appear to have adopted a strategy of cleansing Oromia of other groups, both to win their intra-ethnic power struggle and also perhaps to realize the long-dreamt hom0ogenous, independent Oromia.

Some thus found it convenient to kill ethnic minorities, mainly Amharas, in their region.

Looking at these atrocities, one would be forced to wonder whether Oromo nationalists really understand their leverage.

The presence of ethnic Amharas in Oromia, for example, has been considerable political leverage for Oromo elites. If it were not for the vulnerability of Amharas in Oromia, Oromo elites would have perhaps been unable to seize central power in 2018.

Amharas were second in line and had a legitimate claim to assume the premiership following the resignation of former Prime Minister Hailemariam Desalegn. Among others, it was a concern for the safety of their people, who are found dispersed all over Oromia, that forced them to let Oromo elites assume the position without much contestation.

Accordingly, as the killing and displacing of Amharas in Oromia continues, Oromo elites will face tougher and uncompromising Amharas at the national level, and the likelihood of a full-blown civil war becomes real.
Oromo nationalism conveniently disregards the fact that Oromia is geographically disadvantaged and landlocked and surrounded by many other ethnic groups, which in the absence of Ethiopia will certainly fight against it. Kenya, South Sudan, SNNPR, Gambela, Afar, Benishangul, Somali, Amhara

As much as it is its leverage, Oromia’s location at the center is also its primary weakness, where in the absence of the Ethiopian state, border disputes with other groups around it compromise its viability as a sovereign state.

Self-sufficient myth
Oromo nationalism also views Oromia as an island of richness where everything needed for survival is found abundantly.

The outcome of this mistaken belief of self-sufficiency is that Oromo youth are made to adopt the simplistic view that all of the nation’s problems are imposed from outside; the cause of every problem is externalized, even those almost endemic to Oromo politics.

The youth are effectively made a prisoner of the past and barred from aspiring to life beyond Oromia. Their ability to imagine working, investing, and prospering outside of Oromia is severely constrained.

Another emerging trend in Oromo politics is a desire to possess everything, be it the country’s political power, history, or resources. This is true despite the fact that the anti-Ethiopian state ideology is still intact among some of the most influential elites.

It, therefore, appears that Oromo nationalism at this point is in a state of confusion: its proponents are stuck in the past but also want to control the present and the future.

Oromo nationalists dream of carving out a country called Oromia from Ethiopia, but at the same time seek to reconfigure Ethiopia in their own image. They disown whatever is Ethiopian, including Oromos at the helm of power, but also fight against the center

Most importantly, Oromo nationalism has failed to cross the river of resentment, resistance, and retaliation, and thus remains a captive of its history and successes..
I am not sure if he is still influential but I tend to read in the above statement (highlighted) none other than Lencho Leta, the guy is an inept politician, didn't make any significant entity, joined dozens of political movements which of all ended up being dismantled at the end.

Finally Lencho came to Addis, one more time, after being given the title of Advisor and uses two channels at the same time ever since to spew his venom.

At one time (over one of his channels) he try to appear to appeal for calm and then he turns around and call (on the other channel) for the liberation of Oromo people, short of that for the Oromo dominated Ethiopia, that will suddenly start to speak Afan Oromo instead of Amharic.

He is an advisor to those in power and his own wife is an advisor to those who want to topple those in power from abroad.

For those Oromophobs if the Oromo people indeed incorporated other groups into their own folds, then that might have made them the better accomodators and tolerant society in the whole of Ethiopia.

As a tolerant and accomodative society they don't tolerate any kind of discrimination amongst their own, that is what you are blabbering now here about lack of unity, interpretation through your own lenses.

It is not lack of unity but the unity to disown discrimination amongst them, human being is a dignified body. The moment they see that you disregard this highest level regard for human being, then they trash you, no matter from which part you come from. that is what made them great!

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Re: Must Read "-TGAA

Post by Right » 07 Dec 2022, 12:39

DTT,
You are not making sense. You’re struggling to put defensive line together.
Ethiopia is flooded with blood. The 7th king, under his reign of terror, over one million people died under 4 years.
Good luck on defending that.
The Ethiopian people and the ICC are staring at him.

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Re: Must Read "-TGAA

Post by TGAA » 07 Dec 2022, 13:46

DefendTheTruth wrote:
07 Dec 2022, 08:27
Noble Amhara wrote:
07 Dec 2022, 00:17
Article
https://www.ethiopia-insight.com/2022/0 ... esentment/
.
.

For an independent observer, the power struggle among Oromo nationalists doesn’t look like a fight between brothers but rather one between arch enemies of two different ethnic groups.

It is also sad to see Oromo nationalists proudly talking about their region being home to Gadaa democracy, and yet they cannot resolve their differences through peaceful means.

Self-destruction

Some Oromo nationalist factions also appear to have adopted a strategy of cleansing Oromia of other groups, both to win their intra-ethnic power struggle and also perhaps to realize the long-dreamt hom0ogenous, independent Oromia.

Some thus found it convenient to kill ethnic minorities, mainly Amharas, in their region.

Looking at these atrocities, one would be forced to wonder whether Oromo nationalists really understand their leverage.

The presence of ethnic Amharas in Oromia, for example, has been considerable political leverage for Oromo elites. If it were not for the vulnerability of Amharas in Oromia, Oromo elites would have perhaps been unable to seize central power in 2018.

Amharas were second in line and had a legitimate claim to assume the premiership following the resignation of former Prime Minister Hailemariam Desalegn. Among others, it was a concern for the safety of their people, who are found dispersed all over Oromia, that forced them to let Oromo elites assume the position without much contestation.

Accordingly, as the killing and displacing of Amharas in Oromia continues, Oromo elites will face tougher and uncompromising Amharas at the national level, and the likelihood of a full-blown civil war becomes real.
Oromo nationalism conveniently disregards the fact that Oromia is geographically disadvantaged and landlocked and surrounded by many other ethnic groups, which in the absence of Ethiopia will certainly fight against it. Kenya, South Sudan, SNNPR, Gambela, Afar, Benishangul, Somali, Amhara

As much as it is its leverage, Oromia’s location at the center is also its primary weakness, where in the absence of the Ethiopian state, border disputes with other groups around it compromise its viability as a sovereign state.

Self-sufficient myth
Oromo nationalism also views Oromia as an island of richness where everything needed for survival is found abundantly.

The outcome of this mistaken belief of self-sufficiency is that Oromo youth are made to adopt the simplistic view that all of the nation’s problems are imposed from outside; the cause of every problem is externalized, even those almost endemic to Oromo politics.

The youth are effectively made a prisoner of the past and barred from aspiring to life beyond Oromia. Their ability to imagine working, investing, and prospering outside of Oromia is severely constrained.

Another emerging trend in Oromo politics is a desire to possess everything, be it the country’s political power, history, or resources. This is true despite the fact that the anti-Ethiopian state ideology is still intact among some of the most influential elites.

It, therefore, appears that Oromo nationalism at this point is in a state of confusion: its proponents are stuck in the past but also want to control the present and the future.

Oromo nationalists dream of carving out a country called Oromia from Ethiopia, but at the same time seek to reconfigure Ethiopia in their own image. They disown whatever is Ethiopian, including Oromos at the helm of power, but also fight against the center

Most importantly, Oromo nationalism has failed to cross the river of resentment, resistance, and retaliation, and thus remains a captive of its history and successes..
I am not sure if he is still influential but I tend to read in the above statement (highlighted) none other than Lencho Leta, the guy is an inept politician, didn't make any significant entity, joined dozens of political movements which of all ended up being dismantled at the end.

Finally Lencho came to Addis, one more time, after being given the title of Advisor and uses two channels at the same time ever since to spew his venom.

At one time (over one of his channels) he try to appear to appeal for calm and then he turns around and call (on the other channel) for the liberation of Oromo people, short of that for the Oromo dominated Ethiopia, that will suddenly start to speak Afan Oromo instead of Amharic.

He is an advisor to those in power and his own wife is an advisor to those who want to topple those in power from abroad.

For those Oromophobs if the Oromo people indeed incorporated other groups into their own folds, then that might have made them the better accomodators and tolerant society in the whole of Ethiopia.

As a tolerant and accomodative society they don't tolerate any kind of discrimination amongst their own, that is what you are blabbering now here about lack of unity, interpretation through your own lenses.

It is not lack of unity but the unity to disown discrimination amongst them, human being is a dignified body. The moment they see that you disregard this highest level regard for human being, then they trash you, no matter from which part you come from. that is what made them great!
Be coherent DTT, found it hard to folllow your 🚆 train of thought .

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Re: Must Read "-TGAA

Post by Horus » 07 Dec 2022, 14:15

Noble Amara wrote,

"A sizeable portion of shewa tulama are in fact Amhara and Gurage .

South West Shewa Zone | Guraghe
Wonchi - Gelila Gurage
Waliso - Chebo Gurage
Sodo - Sodo Gurage
Ambo - Gafat Gurage
salale e | Amhara\gafat"

Yes, indeed.

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Re: Must Read "-TGAA

Post by Horus » 07 Dec 2022, 14:39

Noble Amara wrote, "Wonchi - Gelila Gurage".


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Re: Must Read "-TGAA

Post by Sadacha Macca » 07 Dec 2022, 16:47

Funny how our enemies here, especially Horus who pretends to not harbor deep-seated fear & hatred for/of Oromo's, are so obsessed with us.
First of all, yes we've assimilated people, the same way many Amara's are in fact assimilated Oromo's, Agew, Qimant, etc, and the same way that, Amara's are very diverse when it comes to looks. You have some that are light, dark, and in between, some with big noses, some with aquiline noses, some with medium noses; and so on... which shows that extensive race/ethnic mixing has occurred in Amara region as well.
So, when you point out this in the Oromo, remember the same has occurred among our neighbors in Amara, hence why the Tigrayans are apt to say Amara's are ''Half Oromo.''

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Re: Must Read "-TGAA

Post by Horus » 07 Dec 2022, 16:58

Sadacha Macca wrote:
07 Dec 2022, 16:47
Funny how our enemies here, especially Horus who pretends to not harbor deep-seated fear & hatred for/of Oromo's, are so obsessed with us.
First of all, yes we've assimilated people, the same way many Amara's are in fact assimilated Oromo's, Agew, Qimant, etc, and the same way that, Amara's are very diverse when it comes to looks. You have some that are light, dark, and in between, some with big noses, some with aquiline noses, some with medium noses; and so on... which shows that extensive race/ethnic mixing has occurred in Amara region as well.
So, when you point out this in the Oromo, remember the same has occurred among our neighbors in Amara, hence why the Tigrayans are apt to say Amara's are ''Half Oromo.''
Sadacha,

What is your point?

Here are the facts!

South West Shewa Zone | Guraghe
Wonchi - Gelila Gurage
Waliso - Chebo Gurage
Sodo - Sodo Gurage
Ambo - Gafat Gurage
Zeway - Zay Gurage
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Re: Must Read "-TGAA

Post by Noble Amhara » 07 Dec 2022, 16:59

Sadacha Macca wrote:
07 Dec 2022, 16:47
Funny how our enemies here, especially Horus who pretends to not harbor deep-seated fear & hatred for/of Oromo's, are so obsessed with us.
First of all, yes we've assimilated people, the same way many Amara's are in fact assimilated Oromo's, Agew, Qimant, etc, and the same way that, Amara's are very diverse when it comes to looks. You have some that are light, dark, and in between, some with big noses, some with aquiline noses, some with medium noses; and so on... which shows that extensive race/ethnic mixing has occurred in Amara region as well.
So, when you point out this in the Oromo, remember the same has occurred among our neighbors in Amara, hence why the Tigrayans are apt to say Amara's are ''Half Oromo.''
1) Amara did not assimilate Oromos. The Oromos who migrated to our Abysinnia adopted our culture and language settled on our Highlands and try to change our habesha identity into something else but they have always been a minority.

2) Oromo did assimilate Amara and Gurage into Tulama clan of Shewa that is fact. we did not come to you, you came to us and our abysinia

3) the Agew have very different phenotypes.

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Re: Must Read "-TGAA

Post by Sadacha Macca » 07 Dec 2022, 17:15

1) If they married Amara's, adopted the language of Amara's, and so on; then that's assimilation, regardless of what you say my tigrayan friend noble tigrayan.

2) I never denied that we assimilated neighbouring peoples, and some of them assimilated our people too. You guys act like you've discovered something significant- wow, neighboring nations assimilated each others people, influenced each others language, cuisine, etc; wow! So unheard of in human history! Humans influencing and assimilating other humans? Wow! That NEVER happens, right guys? Right!

3) You were the same one here, despite us knowing you're Tigrayan, that agaw and amara are one and the same; so something isn't adding up here.




Horus,
You already know what my point is; your hatred of the Oromo blinds you to the truth and thus makes you unable to be unbiased and objective.
The good thing is, you do not represent the good, decent Gurage people. Nor do you have any say in our affairs as Oromo's. In fact, we even support Gurage' s right to have a kilil, with Silte as a separate one.

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Re: Must Read "-TGAA

Post by Noble Amhara » 07 Dec 2022, 17:21

are you telling me that Meles Zenawi is also apart of your list

he married an amara but nobody forced him to same with abiy. nobody forces anyone to marry amhara or speak amharic even then nobody forgets their original language without making a conscience decision to.

so what assimilation is there?
Sadacha Macca wrote:
07 Dec 2022, 17:15
1) If they married Amara's, adopted the language of Amara's, and so on; then that's assimilation, regardless of what you say my tigrayan friend noble tigrayan.

2) I never denied that we assimilated neighbouring peoples, and some of them assimilated our people too. You guys act like you've discovered something significant- wow, neighboring nations assimilated each others people, influenced each others language, cuisine, etc; wow! So unheard of in human history! Humans influencing and assimilating other humans? Wow! That NEVER happens, right guys? Right!

3) You were the same one here, despite us knowing you're Tigrayan, that agaw and amara are one and the same; so something isn't adding up here.




Horus,
You already know what my point is; your hatred of the Oromo blinds you to the truth and thus makes you unable to be unbiased and objective.
The good thing is, you do not represent the good, decent Gurage people. Nor do you have any say in our affairs as Oromo's. In fact, we even support Gurage' s right to have a kilil, with Silte as a separate one.

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Re: Must Read "-TGAA

Post by Horus » 07 Dec 2022, 22:09

Sadacha Macca wrote:
07 Dec 2022, 17:15
1) If they married Amara's, adopted the language of Amara's, and so on; then that's assimilation, regardless of what you say my tigrayan friend noble tigrayan.

2) I never denied that we assimilated neighbouring peoples, and some of them assimilated our people too. You guys act like you've discovered something significant- wow, neighboring nations assimilated each others people, influenced each others language, cuisine, etc; wow! So unheard of in human history! Humans influencing and assimilating other humans? Wow! That NEVER happens, right guys? Right!

3) You were the same one here, despite us knowing you're Tigrayan, that agaw and amara are one and the same; so something isn't adding up here.




Horus,
You already know what my point is; your hatred of the Oromo blinds you to the truth and thus makes you unable to be unbiased and objective.
The good thing is, you do not represent the good, decent Gurage people. Nor do you have any say in our affairs as Oromo's. In fact, we even support Gurage' s right to have a kilil, with Silte as a separate one.
"In fact, we even support Gurage' s right to have a kilil, with Silte as a separate one." :lol: :lol: What do you mean by 'we"? The Oromo regime is Addis Abeba has imposed military rule on Gurage people and working day and night to cluster us into genocide and cultural death. You know my position. Gurage will not subject to genocide again. When TPLF came into Addis, OLF claimed the enitre Sodo wwas Oromoland and claimed that Kistane would under Oromo Killil and it was after a fierce referendum that we were able to secure our identity. Then for 27 years, Oromo collaborated with Woyane Tigre to marginalize Gurage. Now Abiy has hired to Ada Dula to force Gurage into clustered gencide and culutural death. As we speak the most peaceful people of Ethiopia are under military of an Oromo regime. So, I don't what you are talking about? You keep yada yada about Horus hating Oromo???? It is Oromo eleites and Oromo regime hating or fearing Gurage. So many people are puzzled and have been asking Why Abiy 's regime denies the Gurage their constitutional right that is enjoyed by other? ያ እብሪትና ንቀት ይባላል! ጉራጌ ደሞ ሰላም ይወዳል እንጂ መገፋት የሚያቆጣው ሕዝብ ነው ። ስለዚህ ደግሜ ልንገርህ! በዚህ ዘመን ጉራጌ ዘሩ አይጠፋም! ኦሮሞች ጉራጌን በትነው ለማክሰም እዚም እዛም ደላላ እየገዙ የሚሸርቡት ሴር ይቁም እያልን ነው!

ስልጤን የገነጠሉት TPLF እና OLF ናቸው ። አሁን ደሞ ወደ ጉራጌ የሚመልሱት ከሆነ የራሳቸው ጉዳይ ነው ። ጉራጌ ስልጤ ይውጣ ይግባ የሚል አተካራ የለንም ። የራሳቸው ምርጫ ነው ። ግ ን ኢትዮጵያን የገነባው ጉራጌን ክልል መሆን አትችልም የሚለው እብሪት ለዘላለም የምንቀበለውና በዚያም ሳቢያ የሚደርስብን ጥቃት ለዘላለም የምንረሳው አይደለም ። ኦሮሞ ለ30 አመት ከወያኔ ትግሬ ጋር ቆሞ ጉራጌን እያዳከመ ያለው! ያ ነው ሃቁ !

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Re: Must Read "-TGAA

Post by Sadacha Macca » 08 Dec 2022, 16:44

Horus wrote:
07 Dec 2022, 22:09
Sadacha Macca wrote:
07 Dec 2022, 17:15
1) If they married Amara's, adopted the language of Amara's, and so on; then that's assimilation, regardless of what you say my tigrayan friend noble tigrayan.

2) I never denied that we assimilated neighbouring peoples, and some of them assimilated our people too. You guys act like you've discovered something significant- wow, neighboring nations assimilated each others people, influenced each others language, cuisine, etc; wow! So unheard of in human history! Humans influencing and assimilating other humans? Wow! That NEVER happens, right guys? Right!

3) You were the same one here, despite us knowing you're Tigrayan, that agaw and amara are one and the same; so something isn't adding up here.




Horus,
You already know what my point is; your hatred of the Oromo blinds you to the truth and thus makes you unable to be unbiased and objective.
The good thing is, you do not represent the good, decent Gurage people. Nor do you have any say in our affairs as Oromo's. In fact, we even support Gurage' s right to have a kilil, with Silte as a separate one.
"In fact, we even support Gurage' s right to have a kilil, with Silte as a separate one." :lol: :lol: What do you mean by 'we"? The Oromo regime is Addis Abeba has imposed military rule on Gurage people and working day and night to cluster us into genocide and cultural death. You know my position. Gurage will not subject to genocide again. When TPLF came into Addis, OLF claimed the enitre Sodo wwas Oromoland and claimed that Kistane would under Oromo Killil and it was after a fierce referendum that we were able to secure our identity. Then for 27 years, Oromo collaborated with Woyane Tigre to marginalize Gurage. Now Abiy has hired to Ada Dula to force Gurage into clustered gencide and culutural death. As we speak the most peaceful people of Ethiopia are under military of an Oromo regime. So, I don't what you are talking about? You keep yada yada about Horus hating Oromo???? It is Oromo eleites and Oromo regime hating or fearing Gurage. So many people are puzzled and have been asking Why Abiy 's regime denies the Gurage their constitutional right that is enjoyed by other? ያ እብሪትና ንቀት ይባላል! ጉራጌ ደሞ ሰላም ይወዳል እንጂ መገፋት የሚያቆጣው ሕዝብ ነው ። ስለዚህ ደግሜ ልንገርህ! በዚህ ዘመን ጉራጌ ዘሩ አይጠፋም! ኦሮሞች ጉራጌን በትነው ለማክሰም እዚም እዛም ደላላ እየገዙ የሚሸርቡት ሴር ይቁም እያልን ነው!

ስልጤን የገነጠሉት TPLF እና OLF ናቸው ። አሁን ደሞ ወደ ጉራጌ የሚመልሱት ከሆነ የራሳቸው ጉዳይ ነው ። ጉራጌ ስልጤ ይውጣ ይግባ የሚል አተካራ የለንም ። የራሳቸው ምርጫ ነው ። ግ ን ኢትዮጵያን የገነባው ጉራጌን ክልል መሆን አትችልም የሚለው እብሪት ለዘላለም የምንቀበለውና በዚያም ሳቢያ የሚደርስብን ጥቃት ለዘላለም የምንረሳው አይደለም ። ኦሮሞ ለ30 አመት ከወያኔ ትግሬ ጋር ቆሞ ጉራጌን እያዳከመ ያለው! ያ ነው ሃቁ !


We=Oromo federalists, which is a large group of people, larger than the entire Gurage nation, in fact. We support the establishment of a Gurage state, and a separate one for our Silte kin (I am of partial Silte ancestry, my grandmothers mother is Full Silte). I also support the establishment of a Welayta state.
The OPDO regime represents its own interests, as a government, not Oromo's or others, the same way the ADP of Amara's represents their interests as a group of elites, not the average Amara.
Horus, no need to pretend, we've both been here for a while, and I've observed enough from your words, that you have a deep-seated hatred/fear of the Oromo's; I prefer an honest enemy though over a fake friend. At least you're honest and open about it, similar to the TPLF cadres here.
I commend that and respect it, even if it's hatred directed at my nation.
In regards to the Soddo issue, yes, in the early years of the TGE, some Oromo parties/members who pushing for it to be in Oromia, and some soddo opposed it, some supported it; to me, I say leave it to the people to decide.
It's not for us as Oromo to decide, I do agree with that.

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