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Can we realistically expect to resolve the conflict & ensure Abiy&Co are accountable for their crimes at the same time?

Post by sarcasm » 19 Sep 2022, 19:20

Should Tigray be probably prepared to give up on its demands for accountability to get the conflict resolved?


I listened to a debate on whether Putin could be held accountable for his crimes in Ukraine & I ended up getting convinced that Tigray should probably be prepared to give up on its demands for accountability to get the conflict resolved. Listen from 13:00 (particularly pay attention to the comment by Dominic Grieve from 15:00 to 16:50. I am convinced the same could be said about Abiy Ahmed. It is a difficult choice to make but maybe resolving the conflict is probably more important that getting Abiy & Co. accountable for their crimes).

What do you think? Hopefully, apart from the usual gutter language on this forum, maybe some could thoughtfully contribute to the debate.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001c00z

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Post by sarcasm » 19 Sep 2022, 19:40

Are the West and realpolitik pushing Tigray to give up on justice to achieve peace?

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Post by Hawzen » 19 Sep 2022, 19:45

Ala agame snake eden,

Keep dreaming and it is free :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

sarcasm wrote:
19 Sep 2022, 19:40
Are the West and realpolitik pushing Tigray to give up on justice to achieve peace?
Dedebit is always deeb
R.I.P Abay Tigray and TPLF terrorist group

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Post by Sam Ebalalehu » 19 Sep 2022, 20:08

Eden TPLF = Tigray ዲስኩሪሽን ብትተይው ጥሩ ነው። ጌቾና ደብረፅዮን ወርቃማዋን እጃቸው ላይ ሲያጠልቁ እነዚህን ውድ የትግራይ ልጆች እንዴት ብሎ የሚጮህ ትንሽ ትግራውያን ማግኘት ይቸግራል።

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Post by sarcasm » 21 Sep 2022, 19:31

sarcasm wrote:
19 Sep 2022, 19:20
Should Tigray be probably prepared to give up on its demands for accountability to get the conflict resolved?


I listened to a debate on whether Putin could be held accountable for his crimes in Ukraine & I ended up getting convinced that Tigray should probably be prepared to give up on its demands for accountability to get the conflict resolved. Listen from 13:00 (particularly pay attention to the comment by Dominic Grieve from 15:00 to 16:50. I am convinced the same could be said about Abiy Ahmed. It is a difficult choice to make but maybe resolving the conflict is probably more important that getting Abiy & Co. accountable for their crimes).

What do you think? Hopefully, apart from the usual gutter language on this forum, maybe some could thoughtfully contribute to the debate.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m001c00z
It seems that PM Abiy is refusing to talk and pushing for military solution to evade accountability.

"ወያኔዎች አይለቁንም። በትግራይ ለተፈጸመው የሰብአዊነት ወንጀል ጥሰት ተጠያቂዎች ያደርጉናል።" አቢይ አህመድ

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Post by sarcasm » 30 Sep 2022, 07:43

"ልጅህ በተኛበት ታርዷል ብለህ ሕዝብን አነሳስተህ ጦርነት ጀምረህ አሁን ደግሞ ለመውጣት እሚያቅትህ ደረጃ ጋር ስትደርስ፤ ተጠያቂነት አለ። " አቶ ክቡር ገና


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Post by sarcasm » 22 Nov 2022, 18:25

It seems, they are saying "Bye bye accountability . . . "


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Post by sun » 22 Nov 2022, 21:38

sarcasm wrote:
30 Sep 2022, 07:43
"ልጅህ በተኛበት ታርዷል ብለህ ሕዝብን አነሳስተህ ጦርነት ጀምረህ አሁን ደግሞ ለመውጣት እሚያቅትህ ደረጃ ጋር ስትደርስ፤ ተጠያቂነት አለ። " አቶ ክቡር ገና


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Post by sun » 22 Nov 2022, 21:42

sarcasm wrote:
22 Nov 2022, 18:25
It seems, they are saying "Bye bye accountability . . . "





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Post by Cigar » 03 Dec 2022, 21:23

Sarcasm the dumb a’ss accountability is on your woyane and their agames like you head.
Every thing which happened in the region never mind the deserving million rag tag rats militia deaths, 4 million starving but to the innocent Amharas and Afars including some Ethiopian even handful Eritrean troops wouldn’t have happened if your terrorist woyanes didn’t start the war by committing genocide on the sleeping Ethiopian troops, shooting missiles to Eritrea and the Amhara regions.
Use your freaking head you weasel.
There is a cause to all the effects in life.
And you caused all the miseries which happened to your ungrateful tegarus and your neighbors and this if there is to be held accountable is your woyane and the diaspora agames who thought war was your cultural games.
Stop crying like a bit’ch for dropping your milk jar and spilled all the milk in tigray land.

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Post by sarcasm » 13 Dec 2022, 19:57

Justice in Ethiopia must not be killed by a peace deal

Holding war criminals accountable in Ethiopia is the only way to guarantee lasting peace in the country


In early November, the international community welcomed almost unanimously the peace agreement between the government of Ethiopia and the Tigray People’s Liberation Front (TPLF) signed in Pretoria. But while the deal is a positive step, a statement of intent to silence the guns, some hard questions remain.

In particular, the issue of accountability for the litany of war crimes and crimes against humanity committed in Tigray remains largely unaddressed. Since the start of the conflict in November 2020, over 500,000 have died in the fighting or from famine and lack of health care. More than 5 million have been put under siege and deliberately starved; tens of thousands have been sexually assaulted; and well over 2 million have been displaced due to fighting and ethnic cleansing.

Yet, the peace deal does little for the victims of the violence who want justice. Its provisions on accountability for criminal atrocities are too loosely formulated. The agreement mentions that the Ethiopian government will adopt “a comprehensive national transitional justice policy aimed at accountability, ascertaining the truth, redress for victims, reconciliation, and healing, consistent with the Constitution [of Ethiopia] and the African Union Transitional Justice Policy Framework”.

This statement is too general and open to interpretation and gives enough space to the Ethiopian government to dodge responsibility
and never really initiate a transitional justice process that will hold war criminals accountable.

There have already been early signs that there is no political will to seek accountability. One just has to look at the struggle of the International Commission of Human Rights Experts on Ethiopia (ICHREE), which was tasked with investigating atrocity crimes in the war in Tigray. The commission has been undermined systematically from the very start.

When ICHREE was created, the Ethiopian government sought to prevent it from getting funding. It failed, but the budget allocated to the commission was still not enough to ensure it functions properly.

When ICHREE started work, it reported suffering from “time and staffing constraints”, as six positions within its secretariate were cut. Worse still, it did not have the full cooperation of the local authorities and was denied access to sites of alleged atrocities in Ethiopia. It even complained that its requests to other UN entities for “documents and materials of interest [were] largely deflected, or responded to after an inordinate delay”.

The Joint Investigation Team (JIT), comprised of members of the Ethiopian Human Rights Commission and the Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR), was also slow to share its internal database, the ICHREE reported.

The commission has faced all these attempts to undermine its work despite the fact that it is investigating alleged crimes by all sides of the conflict and not just the government’s forces and their allies. And its report released in September reflects that.

Continue reading https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2022 ... peace-deal


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Post by sarcasm » 06 Jun 2023, 17:26

Can Ethiopia evade accountability?


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Post by sarcasm » 11 Jul 2023, 19:34

African Commission on Human Rights quietly drops Tigray investigation

The African Commission on Human and Peoples’ Rights recently made the decision to terminate its Commission of Inquiry on the Situation in the Tigray Region, demonstrating a lack of political will to remain engaged.



Resolution on the termination of the mandate of the Commission of Inquiry on the Situation in the Tigray Region of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia - ACHPR/Res.556 (LXXV) 2023
Jun 13, 2023
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The African Commission on Human and Peoples' Rights (the Commission), meeting at its 75th Ordinary Session, held from 3 to 23 May 2023, in Banjul, the Gambia:

Recalling its mandate to promote and protect human and peoples' rights in Africa, under Article 45 of the African Charter on Human and Peoples' Rights;

Considering the correspondence of the Chairperson of the African Union Commission, H.E Mr. Moussa Faki Mahamat, dated 16 March 2021, informing the Commission of the willingness expressed by the Government of Ethiopia to engage the Commission to undertake investigations jointly with the Ethiopian National Human Rights Commission, into the ongoing crisis in the Tigray Region, at the meeting of the Peace and Security Council of the African Union, held on 9 March 2021, and inviting the Commission to consider a self -initiated investigation;

Recalling Resolution ACHPR/Res. 482 (EXT.OS/XXXII) 2021 on the Fact-Finding Mission to the Tigray Region of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia;

Further Recalling Resolutions ACHPR/Res. 487 (EXT.OS/XXXIV) 2021; ACHPR/Res. 494 (LXIX) 2021, ACHPR/Rés. 512(LXX) 2022; ACHPR/Res. 521 (LXXII) 2022 and ACHPR/Res.549 (EXT.OS/ XXXVI)2023, renewing the Mandate of the Commission of Inquiry on the Situation in the Tigray Region of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia, and ACHPR/Res.518 (LXXI) Resolution on the Renewal of the Mandate and Expansion of the Composition of the Commission of Inquiry on the Situation in the Tigray Region of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia;

Welcoming the signing of the Agreement for Lasting Peace through a Permanent Cessation of Hostilities between the Government of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia and the Tigray People’s Liberation Front (TPLF), on 2nd November 2022, in Pretoria, the Republic of South Africa;

Further Welcoming the measures taken by the Government of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia to adopt an inclusive and comprehensive national transitional justice policy, centered on accountability, truth seeking, redress for victims, and reconciliation and healing, in line with the Constitution of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia, and the African Union’s (AU) 2019 Transitional Justice Policy (AUTJP);

Considering the positive developments in the Tigray Region of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia, particularly in restoring peace and security, reconciliation, disarmament, demobilization and rehabilitation, and the designing of a transitional justice policy to ensure accountability;

Recognizing the importance of the national processes put in place by the Government of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia to address the situation in the country and ensure accountability and redress for reported cases of human rights violations in the Tigray region, which offer prospects for a national, inclusive and sustainable approach to addressing the situation in the country and taking adaptive measures;

The Commission:
1.Decides to terminate the mandate of the Commission of Inquiry on the Situation in the Tigray Region of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia, effective from 23rd May 2023;
2.Decides to support, once established, the transitional justice process which will allow the consolidation of peace and reconciliation in the country and, on the basis of the principle of responsibility, will help the victims to obtain reparation;
3.Urges the Ethiopian authorities and the PTLF to respect and effectively implement the 2022 Agreement, and to take the necessary measures to preserve stability, and peace and security in the country, especially in the Tigray Region, through constructive dialogue and consensus.
4.Urges both parties to take the necessary steps to preserve stability, peace and security and respect for human rights in the country, particularly in the Tigray Region, through constructive dialogue and consensus;
5.Continues to monitor the general human rights situation in the country

Done in Banjul, on 23rd May 2023.

https://achpr.au.int/en/adopted-resolut ... on-inquiry


sarcasm wrote:
18 Jun 2021, 08:19
"On 4 November 2020 the Government of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia launched a military offensive against the Tigray People’s Liberation Front (TPLF), this was followed by attacks on the Northern Command of the Ethiopian National Defence Forces by the TPLF on the same day."


BACKGROUND

Commission has been following the developments in the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia, with concern. On 4 November 2020 the Government of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia launched a military offensive against the Tigray People’s Liberation Front (TPLF), this was followed by attacks on the Northern Command of the Ethiopian National Defence Forces by the TPLF on the same day.

Following reports and information received regarding alleged human rights violations in the Tigray region, the African Commission on Human and Peoples’ Rights (the ACHPR), issued a Press Statement on 26 November 2020, condemning the attack, and reminding the parties of their obligations under international humanitarian law and international human rights law. The said Press Statement also urged parties to engage in dialogue with a view to finding lasting, peaceful and mutually acceptable solutions in the best interests of the population.

Noting that the situation continued to unfold without any signs of abating, during its 67th Ordinary Session held virtually, the ACHPR adopted a Resolution: ACHPR/Res.469 (LXVII) 2020 on the Situation in the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia, condemning the use of force, and calling on the Government of Ethiopia to take actions to protect the human rights of the populations affected and to take concrete steps to end the conflict.

On 9 March 2021, following a meeting of the African Union Peace and Security Council (PSC) held, in which the Prime Minister of Ethiopia, His Excellency Mr. Abiy Ahmed expressed its willingness to engage the ACHPR to conduct investigations into the ongoing crisis in the Tigray Region, jointly with its Ethiopian National Human Rights Institution, the African Union Commission (AUC) Chairperson His Excellency Mr. Moussa Faki Mahamat (Chairperson) invited the ACHPR to exercise its mandate to initiate an investigation.

During its 32nd Extra-Ordinary Session, held virtually on 12 May 2021, the ACHPR adopted a Resolution on the Fact-Finding Mission to the Tigray Region of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia, (see Website), and decided pursuant to Article 45(2) read together with Article 46 of the African Charter on Human and Peoples’ Rights (The African Charter), to establish a Commission of Inquiry (COI) into the situation in the Tigray Region.

Source https://inquiry.achpr.org/elementor-536 ... as_NXFY9nU

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