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If democracy is a method, admittedly, then why reject an accepted method then?

Post by DefendTheTruth » 26 Jun 2022, 14:31

Horus claimed recently democracy is merely a method to reach a given goal, he didn't deny that this method is globally used as an established and favored method to reach one's goal.

What he didn't say and can't say is why he is rejecting an established method, which has got no better alternative sofar around the world.

If Horus can say what method he is proposing as an alternative to reach a given goal in the place of democracy, then he can win the argument.

But I can tell you with 100% certainty that he will never ever come up with an alternative method (also means).

Democracy is a favored means of trying to reach one's own goal, while uprising against and boycotting those who came to power by means of democracy is akin to dictatorship (my way or the high way sort of thinking). Uprising and boycotting will never move us an inch forward, it is a mere vicious cycle of toppling each other for generations. We have the choice here.

Let's agree to disagree, they say, which also means we could disagree on the goal we want to achieve, but still we can agree on the way (method) we use to reach our respective goals. This is the civilized way of social endeavors or engagement, while uprising and boycotting the overriding cause of one's own péople's interests is a primitive way of pursuing one's own goal.

Boycotting of all forms, be it from external or internal adversaries will only hurt the lower strata of the social make up, and we should resist that-

If we resist America's sanction as unjust, then on which moral ground that we should accept the sanctions of the internal elements themselves as good?

Or is boycott different from a sanctioning?

Bring up your own alternative, if there were one, else please keep quiet and spare yourself from embarrassment in public.

Ethiopians can have different wishes and interests. like any other civilized people around the world, but one thing shouldn't be negotiable: the path to reach our respective goals.

Uprising and boycotting is primitiveness (causing the savagery we saw recently in the western part of the country), low level of consciousness and against the core interest of one's own nation and needs to be stopped!

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Re: If democracy is a method, admittedly, then why reject an accepted method then?

Post by Horus » 26 Jun 2022, 15:46

ዲዲቲ
እኔ ሆረስ ሌሎች ኢትዮጵያዊያን እንዲያነቡት በአማርኛ ቋንቋ እመልስልሃለሁ ።

ዴሞክራሲ አንተ እንደ ምትሸወርረው ዘዴ ብቻ አይደለም። ዴሞክራሲ የፖለቲካ ሰርዓት፣ የማህበራዊ ስርዓት አይነት ነው ። እንዲያውም በመሰረቱ የኤትኖክራሲ ተጻራሪ የፖለቲካ ስርዓት ነው ። ዴሞክራሲ ፊሎሶፊ ነው፣ ቲኦሪ ነው፣ ዘዴ ነው፣ ተግባር ነው ።

ሌላ ቦታ ላስተምርህ እንደ ሞከርኩት ዴሞክራሲ በይዘቱ ነጻነትን፣ ፍትህን፣ እኩልነትን ማለትም ከሰው ልጅ ግለሰባዊ የመኖር ዋስትና፣ መብቱን፣ ነጻነቱን፣ የመናገር፣ የመደራጀት፣ የመሰብሰብ፣ የማምለክ፣ የመንቀሳቀስ፣ የፈለገው ቦታ የመኖር፣ የመስራት፣ የመበልጸግ፣ ለስልጣን የመመረጥ፣ የመምረጥ እና ሌሎችም ነጻነቱን የሚያረጋግጥ፣ የትራይባል፣ የጎሳ፣ የዘር፣ የዘውግ ሰርዓት ተቃራሚና ኋላ ቀርና ጸረ ስልጣኔ ከሆነው የጎሳ አገዛዝ በ3000 አመት የላቀ ሰርዓት ነው ። ያ የዴሞክራአሲ ዶግማ ወይም ዶክትሪን ነው ብዬ አስተምሬህ ነበር!

ዴሞክራሲ አፈጻጸም ውይም ሚትዶሎጂ አለው። ያ የተቋሞች አደረጃጀት፣ የስልጣን ክፍፍል፣ የጉባኤና ስምሰባዎች ደምብ (ፓርላሜንታሪ ሩል)፣ የምርጫ ውድድር ህጎች፣ የፓርቲዎች ፉክክር መዳኛ ደምቦች ውዘተ አሉት ። ያ የዴሞክራሲ ቀኖና ወይም መቀኒያ (ማድረጊያ፣ መፈጸሚያ) ይባላል ብዬ አስተምሬህ ነበር ።

አሁን እንደ አንድ ሞኝ አንዱን የዴሞክራሲ ገጽ ብቻ መዘህ እራስክን ለማሳሳት ትጥራለህ! አታድርገው፣ ስለ ዴሞክራሲ ሙሉ እውቀት ከፈለክ ሙሉውን ስርዓት ተማረው። ከኔ ጋራ ቁንጽል ክርክር በማድረግ የምታገኘው ነገር የለም ። እኔ የምናገረውን የማውቅ ሰው ነኝ።

አንድ ነገር ደግሜ ደጋግሜ ልንገርህ!

ኤትኖክራሲን በምርጫ ዘዴ ለመተግበር በመሞከር ዴሞክራሲ ልታደርገው አትችልም። ትራይባሊዝምን በምርጫ ሸፋፍነህ የዜጋ ሲቪላይዜሽን ልታደርገው አትችልም። አንድ ዘመናዊ ዳንስ ቤት ክለብ ወስጥ ነጋሪትና ጽናጽን ብትጠቀም ያ ቤት ቤተ ክርስቲያን አይሆንም። የተለያዩ ጎሳዎች እና ክላኖች ሰብስበህ ያሻህን አይነት የምርጫ ድራማዎች ብታካሂድ ያ የጎሳዎች ስብስብ ዘመናዊ ዴሞክራሳዊ ሰርዓት አይሆንም።

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Re: If democracy is a method, admittedly, then why reject an accepted method then?

Post by DefendTheTruth » 26 Jun 2022, 16:27

There is a democracy in America, like many agree on, but still there are also people who are dying involuntarily.

So, who told you that democracy is the ultimate guarantee of people not dying?

I told you repeatedly not to make yourself a laughing stock of the forumers here.

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Re: If democracy is a method, admittedly, then why reject an accepted method then?

Post by TesfaNews » 26 Jun 2022, 16:36

DefendTheTruth wrote:
26 Jun 2022, 16:27
There is a democracy in America, like many agree on, but still there are also people who are dying involuntarily.

So, who told you that democracy is the ultimate guarantee of people not dying?

I told you repeatedly not to make yourself a laughing stock of the forumers here.
Ethiopia is becoming like Democratic America!


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Re: If democracy is a method, admittedly, then why reject an accepted method then?

Post by TGAA » 26 Jun 2022, 17:45

DefendTheTruth wrote:
26 Jun 2022, 16:27
There is a democracy in America, like many agree on, but still there are also people who are dying involuntarily.

So, who told you that democracy is the ultimate guarantee of people not dying?

I told you repeatedly not to make yourself a laughing stock of the forumers here.
Man, even if one takes you to Jupiter, you will defay the gravity there, you surly have done that here on good earth 🌎 .
1The tribal state by definition is not democratic. So for all your Ethiopia democracy mambo jamboree that is enough answer.
Your comparison between American democracy is laughable. You base your comparison based on your assumption that Abiy is elected "democratically" but even yashagrenal EZEMA wasn't allowed to campaign in Oromia and those attempted were killed. Don't tell me you don't know about this
Your other wild comparison between an organized ethnic party with political ideology of ethnic cleansing of Amharas,and 30 years of record doing that with a nutcase psycho who happen to have an easy access to machine-gun is confusing. Do you think if the amharas people in Tola district have access to guns, they would have been a sitting target for these savages? The local officials disarmed them then they facilitate for savages to practice target shooting o 6 years kids. You trying to whitewash this instade of condomen the crime,the perpetrators of the crime, and their collaborators in Abiy's government. It is time to stand up and be counted.

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Re: If democracy is a method, admittedly, then why reject an accepted method then?

Post by Fiyameta » 26 Jun 2022, 19:40

The true measure of a democracy is how a government provides essential services, such as clean and safe drinking water, food, shelter, health care, education, electricity, infrastructure... etc.. to its population.

For example, both Ghana and Singapore gained their independence from Britain at about the same time in the late 50's, and while Ghana was praised by the Western world, especially by Barack Obama, as a "model of democracy" for holding general elections every 5 years, Singapore was condemned as "autocratic" for placing the interest of its citizens above the interest of foreign powers in a "selfish" way.

When the selfish Singaporean leaders were providing clean drinking water, electricity, food, quality health care and education to change the quality of life for their citizens, helping the people to earn the average salary of $5,783 per month today, the Ghanaian "democratic" leaders were busy squandering the country's meager resources importing ballot boxes, so their poor citizens, who on average earn $120 per month, can cast their votes.

If you were given a choice to live in Ghana or Singapore, where would you live? Its a theoretical question. :mrgreen:

At the time of its independence the newly democratic nation of Ghana was the largest rice producing country in Africa, which, by the way, is the staple food for its people, but their "democratic" government forced the farmers to abandon rice production in favor of cultivating cocoa beans that is exported to the tiny, landlocked European country that nature has deprived her of natural resources: Switzerland, a country that, thanks to the Ghanaian democracy, has become the largest chocolate producer in the world, have the highest wealth per adult in the world, and boasts over 800,000 millionaires among its 8 million population. As you can see, the democracy in Ghana (population 31 million) has been good, in fact veeeeery good, to the Swiss people.

So... if your measure of a democracy is how an African country can help a resource-derived European nation become extremely wealthy, please leave Africa and move to landlocked Switzerland, where your opinion is highly valued.
:mrgreen: :mrgreen:


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Re: If democracy is a method, admittedly, then why reject an accepted method then?

Post by DefendTheTruth » 27 Jun 2022, 15:48

TGAA wrote:
26 Jun 2022, 17:45
DefendTheTruth wrote:
26 Jun 2022, 16:27
There is a democracy in America, like many agree on, but still there are also people who are dying involuntarily.

So, who told you that democracy is the ultimate guarantee of people not dying?

I told you repeatedly not to make yourself a laughing stock of the forumers here.
Man, even if one takes you to Jupiter, you will defay the gravity there, you surly have done that here on good earth 🌎 .
1The tribal state by definition is not democratic. So for all your Ethiopia democracy mambo jamboree that is enough answer.
Your comparison between American democracy is laughable. You base your comparison based on your assumption that Abiy is elected "democratically" but even yashagrenal EZEMA wasn't allowed to campaign in Oromia and those attempted were killed. Don't tell me you don't know about this
Your other wild comparison between an organized ethnic party with political ideology of ethnic cleansing of Amharas,and 30 years of record doing that with a nutcase psycho who happen to have an easy access to machine-gun is confusing. Do you think if the amharas people in Tola district have access to guns, they would have been a sitting target for these savages? The local officials disarmed them then they facilitate for savages to practice target shooting o 6 years kids. You trying to whitewash this instade of condomen the crime,the perpetrators of the crime, and their collaborators in Abiy's government. It is time to stand up and be counted.
It is much clear to me where you want to take the topic: WAAJ, which you were missing very much recently. Now you have to suddenly pick it up, even when there is no logical connection between the issue raised here and the tragic lose of many innocent lives.

Unless you attach to something Amhara is massacred, you can't move an inch, it is sort of your oxygen.

Who is this mumbo jumbo? Every garbage is being recycled around the internet.

Simple points are here:

There are differences of opinion in the way we wish our country at the moment, prominent ones are those seeking to eliminate ethnic based political parties and those who are willing to stick with it. This is also called the difference of views, which is not a problem so far.

Democracy is the will of the majority, if more people want to retain the ethnic based parties, then that is the result of subscribing to the idea of democracy. If they win the idea by a means of democratic procedures, then you have to live with it.

If on the other hand those who are wishing to eliminate ethnich based parties and kilills, then you are the winner and those adherents of ethnic based parties need to admit defeat and follow your leadership.

But the problem with your camp is that you can't bring forward your arguments in a civilized way and have to turn to a desparate means of using killing your own people to score politically. That is low!

In all the cases the lives of the innocent people should be protected and the culprits brought to face justice, all evidences should be brought forward and used to prosecute the criminals.

You are far from this clear and simple path and permanently trying to incriminate your political opponents to score more wrongly. Incrminating someone based on false allegations is equally a criminal act.

These are very simple logical representation of the issues at hand, don't try to mix unrelated issues. It shows only how desparate you are becoming in this regard.

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Re: If democracy is a method, admittedly, then why reject an accepted method then?

Post by TGAA » 27 Jun 2022, 21:47

DefendTheTruth wrote:
27 Jun 2022, 15:48
TGAA wrote:
26 Jun 2022, 17:45
DefendTheTruth wrote:
26 Jun 2022, 16:27
There is a democracy in America, like many agree on, but still there are also people who are dying involuntarily.

So, who told you that democracy is the ultimate guarantee of people not dying?

I told you repeatedly not to make yourself a laughing stock of the forumers here.
Man, even if one takes you to Jupiter, you will defay the gravity there, you surly have done that here on good earth 🌎 .
1The tribal state by definition is not democratic. So for all your Ethiopia democracy mambo jamboree that is enough answer.
Your comparison between American democracy is laughable. You base your comparison based on your assumption that Abiy is elected "democratically" but even yashagrenal EZEMA wasn't allowed to campaign in Oromia and those attempted were killed. Don't tell me you don't know about this
Your other wild comparison between an organized ethnic party with political ideology of ethnic cleansing of Amharas,and 30 years of record doing that with a nutcase psycho who happen to have an easy access to machine-gun is confusing. Do you think if the amharas people in Tola district have access to guns, they would have been a sitting target for these savages? The local officials disarmed them then they facilitate for savages to practice target shooting o 6 years kids. You trying to whitewash this instade of condomen the crime,the perpetrators of the crime, and their collaborators in Abiy's government. It is time to stand up and be counted.
It is much clear to me where you want to take the topic: WAAJ, which you were missing very much recently. Now you have to suddenly pick it up, even when there is no logical connection between the issue raised here and the tragic lose of many innocent lives.

Unless you attach to something Amhara is massacred, you can't move an inch, it is sort of your oxygen.

Who is this mumbo jumbo? Every garbage is being recycled around the internet.

Simple points are here:

There are differences of opinion in the way we wish our country at the moment, prominent ones are those seeking to eliminate ethnic based political parties and those who are willing to stick with it. This is also called the difference of views, which is not a problem so far.

Democracy is the will of the majority, if more people want to retain the ethnic based parties, then that is the result of subscribing to the idea of democracy. If they win the idea by a means of democratic procedures, then you have to live with it.

If on the other hand those who are wishing to eliminate ethnich based parties and kilills, then you are the winner and those adherents of ethnic based parties need to admit defeat and follow your leadership.

But the problem with your camp is that you can't bring forward your arguments in a civilized way and have to turn to a desparate means of using killing your own people to score politically. That is low!

In all the cases the lives of the innocent people should be protected and the culprits brought to face justice, all evidences should be brought forward and used to prosecute the criminals.

You are far from this clear and simple path and permanently trying to incriminate your political opponents to score more wrongly. Incrminating someone based on false allegations is equally a criminal act.

These are very simple logical representation of the issues at hand, don't try to mix unrelated issues. It shows only how desparate you are becoming in this regard.
"killing your own people to score politically. That is low!"
Really? Is it a new political science theory that I'm not aware of that says the shortest way for Amharas or Ethipians to come to political power is to commit collective suicide?

Democracy is measured by its democratic process and by the outcome of the process. So let me ask you point blank was any political group allowed to campaign in Oromia? Except Abiy's party? If not how do you know the majority elected Abiy's party. You can put one kind of food on the menu and claim everyone voluntarily and democratically chose the one food on the menu. Yes, the weyanne election was worst but Abiy's was bad. But for you it was a democratic election perexcellence.
All starts from being truthful to your self and to the horrible reality that is right in front of us,instade of white washing it.
If you expose one of the majority group in Ethiopia for ethnic cleansing on constant bases ,you are eroding the edifice of the country. When that edifice collapses we don't have a way to reverse it. We aren't different than any of the countries that are turned into hell on earth. We have one country to live.. the sooner we understand that and save ourselves from impending disaster the better. If we don't the future generation will not forgive us. One doesn't have to be a member of a group to defend the injustice perpetrated against the group, because by defending the other groups interest each of us defending our self interest.

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Re: If democracy is a method, admittedly, then why reject an accepted method then?

Post by TGAA » 27 Jun 2022, 21:47

DefendTheTruth wrote:
27 Jun 2022, 15:48
TGAA wrote:
26 Jun 2022, 17:45
DefendTheTruth wrote:
26 Jun 2022, 16:27
There is a democracy in America, like many agree on, but still there are also people who are dying involuntarily.

So, who told you that democracy is the ultimate guarantee of people not dying?

I told you repeatedly not to make yourself a laughing stock of the forumers here.
Man, even if one takes you to Jupiter, you will defay the gravity there, you surly have done that here on good earth 🌎 .
1The tribal state by definition is not democratic. So for all your Ethiopia democracy mambo jamboree that is enough answer.
Your comparison between American democracy is laughable. You base your comparison based on your assumption that Abiy is elected "democratically" but even yashagrenal EZEMA wasn't allowed to campaign in Oromia and those attempted were killed. Don't tell me you don't know about this
Your other wild comparison between an organized ethnic party with political ideology of ethnic cleansing of Amharas,and 30 years of record doing that with a nutcase psycho who happen to have an easy access to machine-gun is confusing. Do you think if the amharas people in Tola district have access to guns, they would have been a sitting target for these savages? The local officials disarmed them then they facilitate for savages to practice target shooting o 6 years kids. You trying to whitewash this instade of condomen the crime,the perpetrators of the crime, and their collaborators in Abiy's government. It is time to stand up and be counted.
It is much clear to me where you want to take the topic: WAAJ, which you were missing very much recently. Now you have to suddenly pick it up, even when there is no logical connection between the issue raised here and the tragic lose of many innocent lives.

Unless you attach to something Amhara is massacred, you can't move an inch, it is sort of your oxygen.

Who is this mumbo jumbo? Every garbage is being recycled around the internet.

Simple points are here:

There are differences of opinion in the way we wish our country at the moment, prominent ones are those seeking to eliminate ethnic based political parties and those who are willing to stick with it. This is also called the difference of views, which is not a problem so far.

Democracy is the will of the majority, if more people want to retain the ethnic based parties, then that is the result of subscribing to the idea of democracy. If they win the idea by a means of democratic procedures, then you have to live with it.

If on the other hand those who are wishing to eliminate ethnich based parties and kilills, then you are the winner and those adherents of ethnic based parties need to admit defeat and follow your leadership.

But the problem with your camp is that you can't bring forward your arguments in a civilized way and have to turn to a desparate means of using killing your own people to score politically. That is low!

In all the cases the lives of the innocent people should be protected and the culprits brought to face justice, all evidences should be brought forward and used to prosecute the criminals.

You are far from this clear and simple path and permanently trying to incriminate your political opponents to score more wrongly. Incrminating someone based on false allegations is equally a criminal act.

These are very simple logical representation of the issues at hand, don't try to mix unrelated issues. It shows only how desparate you are becoming in this regard.
"killing your own people to score politically. That is low!"
Really? Is it a new political science theory that I'm not aware of that says the shortest way for Amharas or Ethipians to come to political power is to commit collective suicide?

Democracy is measured by its democratic process and by the outcome of the process. So let me ask you point blank was any political group allowed to campaign in Oromia? Except Abiy's party? If not how do you know the majority elected Abiy's party. You can put one kind of food on the menu and claim everyone voluntarily and democratically chose the one food on the menu. Yes, the weyanne election was worst but Abiy's was bad. But for you it was a democratic election perexcellence.
All starts from being truthful to your self and to the horrible reality that is right in front of us,instade of white washing it.
If you expose one of the majority group in Ethiopia for ethnic cleansing on constant bases ,you are eroding the edifice of the country. When that edifice collapses we don't have a way to reverse it. We aren't different than any of the countries that are turned into hell on earth. We have one country to live.. the sooner we understand that and save ourselves from impending disaster the better. If we don't the future generation will not forgive us. One doesn't have to be a member of a group to defend the injustice perpetrated against the group, because by defending the other groups interest each of us defending our self interest.

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Re: If democracy is a method, admittedly, then why reject an accepted method then?

Post by DefendTheTruth » 28 Jun 2022, 15:22

TGAA wrote:
27 Jun 2022, 21:47

"killing your own people to score politically. That is low!"
Really? Is it a new political science theory that I'm not aware of that says the shortest way for Amharas or Ethipians to come to political power is to commit collective suicide?

Democracy is measured by its democratic process and by the outcome of the process. So let me ask you point blank was any political group allowed to campaign in Oromia? Except Abiy's party? If not how do you know the majority elected Abiy's party. You can put one kind of food on the menu and claim everyone voluntarily and democratically chose the one food on the menu. Yes, the weyanne election was worst but Abiy's was bad. But for you it was a democratic election perexcellence.
All starts from being truthful to your self and to the horrible reality that is right in front of us,instade of white washing it.
If you expose one of the majority group in Ethiopia for ethnic cleansing on constant bases ,you are eroding the edifice of the country. When that edifice collapses we don't have a way to reverse it. We aren't different than any of the countries that are turned into hell on earth. We have one country to live.. the sooner we understand that and save ourselves from impending disaster the better. If we don't the future generation will not forgive us. One doesn't have to be a member of a group to defend the injustice perpetrated against the group, because by defending the other groups interest each of us defending our self interest.
Everybody can be on the menu, as far as they adhere to the rule of the game. Which one comes first, be on the spot or play by the rule?

Amhara parties failed in Oromia simply because they were not close to the people, they were trying to impose their will on the people, so it was a self suicide for themselves.

Oromo parties, outside of the ruling party, failed in Oromia due to their own failure to play by the rule of the game.

So, the party in power won the election by a knock-out, is a KO not winning the game?

This is simply a lame argument.

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Re: If democracy is a method, admittedly, then why reject an accepted method then?

Post by ZEMEN » 28 Jun 2022, 15:37

Democracy for Africa is a waste time, energy and resources. The west coined this term called democracy for Africa so, Africa to go to war with illusive democracy and the west can rob Africa blindly. Tell me an African country that practices democracy while keeping the white robbers at bay? Look what is going in Ethiopia in the name of democracy. What Africa needs is a benevolent dictator who pushes things through with absolute authority. Who can put the fear in people's heart and that demands respected. Almost like Eritrea's president but my problem with Eritrea's president is he doesn't bring people to the court of law. I mean you can arrest me but you got to charge me with something so, i can defend my self. other than that president Isaias is a perfect definition of a benevolent dictator.

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Re: If democracy is a method, admittedly, then why reject an accepted method then?

Post by TGAA » 28 Jun 2022, 15:40

DTT, You're giving "a lame argument " a whole new meaning. All multinational and Amhara parties were not allowed to campaign but at the same time they were not close to the people. One has to admit ,your alternative world 🌎 is impressively glittery.

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Re: If democracy is a method, admittedly, then why reject an accepted method then?

Post by Ethoash » 29 Jun 2022, 16:49

DDT,

አሜሪካ በዲሞክራቲክ ሕግ አይመሩም ፣ በማጆሪትም ቀመር አያስሉም ፣ አሜሪካኖች የሚመሩት በሪፖፕሊክ ሕጝጋት ነው።

ይህም ማለት እያንዳንዱ ወረዳ ተወካዩን ይልክና ድምፁን ይስጥና ነው መንግስት የሚመራው ። እና ኮንግረስ ሁለት ቤት አለው የላይኛ ቤት እና የታችኛው ቤት

የላይኛው ቤት መቶ የሚያህሉ ሴነተር (እንደራሴ) አሉውቸው ፣ ይህም ማለት አምሳ እስቴቶች ሁለት ሁለት እንደራሴዎች ወድ ፈደራል ቤቱ ይልካሉ ። ይህ ማለት የፈለግኸወ ትልቅ እስቴት ሁን የፈለገው ሕዝብ ብዛት ይኑርህ ሁለት ብቻ ነው እንደራሴ የምትልከው።

ይህ ብቻ አይደለም እንደራሴ ሁለት ይሁን እንጂ ታችኛው ቤት በሕዝብ ብዛት ይወስናል ለምሳሌ ካሊፎርኑያ አምሳ ሶስት ሪፕረዘንተቲቨ ስትልክ ሁለት ብቻ ሴኔነተር ትልካለች ።

ገባቹሁ ካሊፎርኒያ እኔ ብዙ ሕዝብ እያለኝ ለምን እንደነው ሁለት ሴነተር ብቻ እልካለሁ እንዳትል በታችኛው ቤቱ ትካሳለች ማለት ነው ። እዚህ ላይ የፈለገው ትንሽ ሕዝብ ይኑረህ አንድ ሪፕረዘንተቲቭ ይስጠሀል ማለት ነው። ስለዚህ ትንሽም ወይም ትልቅም እስቴት ሁሉም የየድርሻውን ያገኝና አንዱ ዶመኔት አይሆንም

ይህ ማለት ካሊፎርኒያ በጣም ትልቁ ድምፅ ስላላት ብቻ ዶምኔት ማረግ አትችልም ለምን ቢባል ሁለት መቶ ስባ ነው የማሽነፍያው ቁጥር ስለዚህ ካሊፎርኒያ ያላት አምሳ አምስት ብቻ ነው ስለዚህ ሁለት መቶ ስባ ለማግኘት ሌሎቹን ትናንሽና ትላልቅ እስቴቶች ጋራ መተባበር አለባት ። እንዳያቹሁት በማጆሪት አይደለም ብዙ ተወካዬች ከመረጡ ብቻ ነው የምታሽንፈው።

ለምሳሌ ኦሮሞ ስልሳ ሚሊዬን ሕዝብ ነው አማራ ደግሞ ሀያ ሚሊዬን ነው። ትግሬ አስር ሚሊዬን ፣ ሱማሌ አፋር እና ደቡቦች አስር ሚሊዬን ናቸው ። ታድያ ማጆሪቲ ምርጫ ቢሆን ሁሌ ኦሮሞ ሊያሽንፍ ነው ማለት ነው። ግን እንዲዚያ አይደለም ማን ብዙ እስቴቶችን አሽነፍ ወይም ወረዳዎችን አሽነፈ ነው ጨዋታው ስለዚህ ኦሮሞዎች ከጉራጌው፣ ከገፋታው፣ ክሱማሌው፣ ከትግሬዎ ፣ ከደቡቡ በሙሉ መስማማት አለባቸው ሁለት መቶ ስባ አራት ማምጣት አለበት ይህ የሚሆነው ከሌሎች ብሔሮች ጋራ ከተባበረ ብቻ ነው። ይህ ለፕሬዘዳንት ምርጫ ነው።

ለሴነትር እና ለሀውስ ሪፕረዘንተቲቨ ደግሞ እንዲህ ይመረጣሉ

ሴነተር ለምሳሌ በቴክሳስ ውስጥ ሁለት ብቻ ስለሚመረጥ በዲሞክራሲ የመረጣል ይህ ማለት ሁሉም ቴክሳሶች ድምፅ ይስጡና በላጩ ያሽንፋል

የሀውስ ሪፕረዛንተቲቨ ግን በቴክሳስ ውስጥ ፫፮ ዲስትሪክት አለ እያንዳንዱ ዲስትሪክት እንድ አንድ ሀውስ ሪቭረዘንተቲቨ ይመርጣል ለሁለት አመት ሶስት ግዜ ያ ማለት ለስድስት አመት ሁለተኛ ዙርም መወዳደር ይችላሉ ለአስራ ሁለት አመት

ሴነት ግን በየስደስት አመቱ ሁለት ግዜ አስራ ሁለት አመት ማገልገል ይችላሉ

እንዳያቹሁት አሜሪካ በዲሞክራሲ ምርጫ ሳይሆን ሁለቱንም አጣቅሳ ነው የምትመራው ስለዚህ ይህ ይሻሻል ብዬ ነው።

ኢትዬዽያም ይህንኑ እግ መንግስት ኮፕ ብታረግም ብዙ ልታወናብደው የፈለገች ነገር አለ ። ለምሳሌ የእንደራሴዎችና የሀውስ ሪፕርዘንትቲቭ የአገልግሎት ግዜ አልተወስነም ሁለቴ ብቻ መሆን አለብት ግን አምስ አመት ይላል ያንንም መች መች እንደሆን አይናገርም ሁሉም በአንድ ላይ የሚቀየሩ ይመስላል አሜሪካ ግን ብልጥ ናቸው እንዴት ነው ሁሉም ሴነተሮች ከውጡ አዲሶቹን ማን ነው የሚያስተምራቸው ስለዚህ ሴነተሮች በአንዴ አይወጡም አንዴ ፫፫ ከዚያ ፫፬ ከዚያ ደግሞ ፫፫ ብቻ በየሁለት አመቱ ለምርጫ ይዳረጋሉ ከመጀመሪያ ዙር ስላሳ ስባቱ ስለሚቀሩ የሚመጡትን ስላሳ ሶስቶቹን ያስተምራሉ ማለት ነው።

የአሜሪካንን ጎንግረስ ማጥናት እንዴት እንደሚስራ ማወቅ እንዴት ደስ እንደሚል ልነግራቹሁ በጣም እፈልጋለሁ። ዝም ብሎ ዲሞክራሲ ዲሞክራሲ ከማለት በፊት አሜሪካ በዲሞክስራሲ እንደማትመራ ማወቅ ብልጠት ነው። ዲሞክራሲ በጣም አደገኛ ነገር ነው ላላወቀበት

ለምሳሌ ኤርትራ በዲሞክራሲ ምርጫ አርጋ ተገነጠለች ፣ ይህ ዲሞክራሲ የሚስራው በማጆሪት ስለሆነ ዘጠና በመቶ የሚሆኑት ትግሬዎች መገንጠል ፈለጉ ተገነጠሉ ግን ዘጠኝ ጎሳዎች ሳይፈልጉ አብረው ተገነጠሉ ። አይ እኛ ከኢትዬዽያ ጋራ እንሁን ብለውም ቢመርጡ ዘጠናዎቹ ያሽንፉውቸው ነበር ለምሳሌ በምን ሂሳብ ነው አፋሮች ከትግሬዎች ጋራ ሆነው አስብን የሚያጡት። ስለዚህ ከኢትዬዽያኖች ጋራ እንሁን ብለው የመርጡ ነበር የአሜሪካ አይነት የሪፕርዘንተቲቭ ምርጫ ቢካሄድ።

ሁለተኛ ኤርትራኖች ያልተማሩ ከመስሉዋቹሁ እንግሊዝን እንውስድ ዲሞክራሲ ተጠቅመው ከኢሮፕያን እንድነት ወጡ ይመስለኛል አይርሾች ለአንድነት መርጠው ነበር ግን በምርጫ አሽናፊነት ሳይወዱ ከእንግሊዞች ጋራ ወጡ ማለት ነው። አሁን ደግሞ እንግሊዞች በጣም ቆጭቶዋቸዋል ማለት ስማሁኝ መወጣታቸው ወጣቱ እንድነቱን ይፈልጋል ሽማግሌዎች ግን አይፈልጉትም ስለዚህ በሽማግሌዎች ምርጫ ተሽንፈው ሁሉም ወጡ ይህ ማለት ነፅ ልቅ ዲሞክራሲ ነው

አሜሪካ ግን ሕዝቡ አይደለም ፕሬዘዳንት የሚመርጠ የነሱ ተወካይ ነው ፣ ለምን ቢባል ሕዝቡ በስሜት እንዳይመርጥ የተደረገ ዘብ ጠባቂነት ነው አምስት መቶ ስላሳ ስምንቶቹ ተወካዬች ናቸው ፕሬዘዳንቱን የሚመርጡት ለሶስት መቶ ሚሊዬን ሕዝቦች።

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Re: If democracy is a method, admittedly, then why reject an accepted method then?

Post by Horus » 29 Jun 2022, 22:07

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ዴሞክራሲ በመርህ ደረጃም ሆነ የአሜሪካ ዴሞክራሲ በደምብ ስላልገባህ የተሳሳተ ግንዛቤ ነው የታዝከው ። ለግዜው የእስቴትና የፌዴራል መንግሳት መብቶችን ወደ ጎን ትተን ያ የመንግስት አወቃቀር ስለሆነ ስለ አሜሪካ መሪዎች ማለትም የህዝባዊ ኮንግሬስ፣ የሴታተሮችና የፕሬዚዳንቶች አመራረጥ ተመልከት ። እነዚህ በሙሉ የፌዴራል የአሜሪካ ብሄራዊ መሪዎች ናቸው።

ሶስቱም አይነት መሪዎች አንድ ሰው አንድ ድምጽ ፍጹም ዴሞክራሳዊ በሆነ ስርዓት ነው የሚመረጡት ፤ አንዳቸውም በቡድን፣ በጎሳ፣ በክለብ አይመረጡም ።

እያንዳንዱ እስቴት ለ1 መቶ ሺ አንድ የጎንግሬስ ወኪል የመላክ መብት አለው ። ስለሆነም ብዙ ህዝብ ያለው እስቴት ብዙ የኮንግሬስ ወኪል አለው ። ነገር ግን በአሜሪክካ ያሉት ግዙፍ ተፎካካሪ ፓርቲዎች 2 ስለሆኑ ከ95% በላይ የኮንግሬም ሆነ የሴናተሮች ስብጥር የሬፓብሊካዊ ፓርቲና የዴሞክራቲች ፓርቲ አባላት ናቸው። ዴሞክራአዊ ሕዝብ የሚበዛበት እንደ ካሊፎርኒያና ማሳቹሰጽ ያሉ እስቴቶች ብዙ ወኪሎቻቸው ዴሞክራቶች ናቸው። የእስቴቱም መንግስት ዴሞክራቶች ናቸው።

ያሜሪካን ህገ መንስት ያረቀቁት እንደ ወያኔ ደደብ ሳይሆኑ እጅግ አዋቂ ብልሆች ስለነበሩ ምክር ቤት በምርጫ ዲስትሪክት (በምርጫ ክልል) ወኪሎች ብቻ ከተሞላ (ህውስ ኦፍ ሬፕረዘንታቲቭስ) ማለት ነው በስሜት እየተነዳ ሚዛን እንዳያጣና መንግስት እስታቢሊቲ እንዳያጣ ሚዛን የሚደፉ 100 ሴናተሮች 2 በየእስቴቱ መላ የእስቴቱን ሕዝብ እንዲወክሉ ተደረጉ ። እያንዳንዱ ሴናተር በአንድ ሰው አንድ ድምጽ ነው የሚመረጠው ። በአንድ እስቴት ውስጥ ያሉት ሕዝቦች በብዛት ዴሞክራቶች ከሆኑ ሁለቱም ሴናተሮ ዴሞክራት ሆነው ሊመረጡ ይችላሉ ። እስቴቱ ውስጥ ያሉት ግለሰቦች በብዛት ሬፓፕሊካን ከሆኑ ሁልቱም ሴናተሮች ሬፕላኪአን ለሆኑ ይችላሉ ።

ቁም ነገር የህዝብ ወኪሎች የሚያወጡትን ሕግ በሽማግሌዎቹ ምክር ቤት ( ሴናተር ማለት ስነቻ ወይም ሽማግሌ፣ ሲኒየር አዋቂ ማለት ሲሆን ከሮማዊያን የመጣ ነው) ሚዛናዊ እንዲሆን ተደርጎ መጨረዛ ላይ ሌላው በመላ አገሪቱ ግለሰቦች የተመረጠው ፕሬዚዳንት ከተስማማበት ሕግ ይሆናል ።

ፕሪዜዳንቱ እራሱ በአንድ ሰው አንድ ድምጽ ነው የሚመረጠው ። ባለው ምርጫ 145 ሚሊዮን ሕዝብ መርጧል ። ይህም ሆኖ ኢሌክቶራክ ኮሌጅ የሚባሉትና የመጨረሻዎቹ የፕሬዚዴንት መራጮች ደሞ አንድ እስቴት በህዝቡ ቁጥር ተመን የሚሰጡት የኢሌክቶራ ኮሊጆች አሉት ። ይህ ደሞ የአንድ እስቴት ህዝብ ማጆሪቲ ተወዳዳሪ ሃ ከመረጠ ለዚያ እስቴ የተመደበው ኢሌክቶራ ኮሌጅ ሁሉንም የሚወድ አለ ( ዊነር ቴክ ኦል) እስቲክ ከሆነ፤ ወይም ተወዳዳሬ በገኘው ፐርሰንቴጅ ተተምኖ ኮሌጆችን የከፋፈላሉ።

ስለዚህ ያሜሪካ ዴሞክራሲ መቆሚያ መሰረቱ፣ ሮክ ቦቶም መቆሚያ አንድ ሰው አንድ ድምጽ ቢሆንም ያ መርህ በስሜተኛ እንዳይጠለፍ ብዙ ብዙ ማሰሪያና መግደቢያ የተሰራለት ክራፍት አርት ነው ። ይህ ብቻ አይደለም ሶስቱ የመንግስት ቅርንጫፎችም እንዲሁ ረቂቅ የሆነ የስልጣን ክፍፍልና ሚዛን የተሰራለት የመንግስት ቅኔ ወይም አርት ነው ።

ዛሬ ስለ ዘመናዊ ዴሞክራሲ ሃሁ ያልገባው ምድረ ጎሳ ካድሬ እዚም እዛም ባህላዊ የጎሳ ፕሪሚቲቭ ሴራዎችን ከዘመናዊ ዴምክራሲ ጋር ለማመሳሰል ሲቃጣቸው ከት ብዬ እስቃለሁ ።

በዘመናዊ ዴምክራሲ ወላ ፌዴራል ሆነ እስቴት መንግስት ከግለሰቦች ነጻነትና መብት በታች ነው ። ወላ ፊደራል ሆነ እስቴ መንግስት ከህግ ትዕዛዝ (ሩል ኦድ ሎው) በታች ነው ። ይህን መሰል የስልጣኔ ፖለቲካ ለሚያውቅና ለገባው ሰው መላ የአበሻ ዘር (አበሻ ማለት ኢትዮጵያዊ ማለት ነው) ከላይ እስከ ታች በጭለማ ሲተራመስ እንደ ማየት አሳዛኝ ና አሳፋሪ ነገር የለም ።

በአንድ ማንም ባልመረጠው መሪ ለዘላለም የሚገዛ የፍውዳል ሰርፍ ህዝብ እስከ የ4 ወር ህጻን በሳንጃ እስከ ሚገድል አረመኔ ሁላ እንደ መንጋ የሚታመስባት አገር ኢትዮጵያ ትባላለች! 120 ሚሊዮን ገና ሰባዊነት ምን እንደ ሆነ ያልገባው የድንቁርና፣ ትላቻና እንሰሳዊ የጎሳ ቡድን (ሁሉም እንሰሳ ቡድን አለው። የውሾች፣ ያምበሶች፣ የወፎች ቡድን አለ፣ እንሰሳ ሁሉ ጎሳ አለው) የሚታመስ አበሻ ከእንሰሳ ልቆ ያልተገኘው ዋሳፋሪ ክምችት ነው ።

ከዚያ በተረፈ ዴሞክራሲ ሲጀመር የሰዎች ቁጥር ትንሽ ስለነበረ ቀላል (ሲምፕል) እና ቁጥተኛ (ዲይረክት) አገዛዝ ነበር ። ያንድ እድር ሕዝብ ሁሉን ነገር ቶሎ ቶል በመስብሰብ እየወሰኑ የእድሩን መንደር ማስተዳደር ማለት ነው ። ዛሬ ያ ስለማይቻል ዴሞክራሲ የውክልና የሪፕረዘንቴሽን ስርዓት ነው። ይህም በመሆኑ በመራጩ ህዝብና በወኪሉ መሃል ርቀት ተፈጥሮ ለዚያ ችግር ሌሎች አዳዲስ መፍትሄዎች እየተበጀ ነው።

ይህን የሚያጠናው የፖለቲካ ሳይንስ የፖለቲካ መሪነት ሳይንስ ይባላል

ስለሆነም ውክልና ችግር ስለፈጠረ ዴሞክራሲ አልፈረሰም አልተሻረም ። አንድ ሰው መሪውን በራሱ አንድ ህሊናና ድምጽ መምረጡ ዘመን የማይሽረው የስልጣኔ መሰረት ነው ።

ስለዚህ የኢትዮጵያ ብቸኛ ውድቀትና ኋላ ቀርነትና ኢሰባአዊነት ያን የአንድ ግለሰብ ሰብዓዊ ፍጹም ነጻነት ጫፍ መድረስ ያልቻለችና እንደ እንሰሳዎች ኪንግደም ወይም ሰርወ እንሰሳ ዘመን መላቀቅ አለመቻሏን ነው ። ይህ የኢንተለጀስ ጉዳይ ነው ። አንድ ሕዝብ የሚያስበው፣ ችግር የሚፈታውና ሰርዓት የሚፈጥረው በኢንተለጀንሱ ልክ ነው ።

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