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"ኢትዮጵያዊነት ያለፍላጎቴ ተጭኖብኝ ነው" -ጃወር መሀመድ :: ዘንድሮ ደሞ ማረሚያ ቤት ምን ተጭኖ ይሆን የወጣው ?(ዶር አብይ ኢትዮጵያዊነት በድጋሚ ጭኖት ይሆን?)

Post by Y3n3g3s3w » 30 May 2022, 08:58

በ 2005 (?) ዓም ከኦሮሞ ወጣቶች ጋር ለመተዋወቅና ቀልባቸውን በዛውም ለመሳብ 'ኢትዮጵያዊነት ያለፍላጎቴ ተጭኖብኝ ነው - I am Oromo first ' ብሎ የወቅቱ ኢሳት ላይ ወቶ ካወጀ በሁዋላ ስንቱን ውድ የኦሮሞ ወጣት በሁለት እጅና በሁለት እግሩ እነዳስጨበጨበው የቅርብ ግዜ ትዝታችን ከመሆንም በላይ እስር ቤት እሰኪገባ ድረስ ማጨብጨባቸውን ያልጨረሱ ነበሩ.፣ :lol: :lol: :lol:

ዘንድሮ ደሞ ማረሚያ ቤት ምን ተጭኖ ይሆን የወጣው:?
እኔ ለሁለተኛ ዙር እነ ዶ/ረ. አብይም (ብልፅግናዎችም) ሆኑ ፣ የስር ቤት ጓደኞቹ (እነ ስብሃት ነጋ፣ በቀለ ገርባ) ኢትዮጵያነትን ይጭኑታል የሚል ቅዠት አይነካካኝም ::


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Re: "ኢትዮጵያዊነት ያለፍላጎቴ ተጭኖብኝ ነው" -ጃወር መሀመድ :: ዘንድሮ ደሞ ማረሚያ ቤት ምን ተጭኖ ይሆን የወጣው ?(ዶር አብይ ኢትዮጵያዊነት በድጋሚ ጭኖት ይሆን?)

Post by Sam Ebalalehu » 30 May 2022, 10:55

Ayatollah will have a hard time being an Ethiopian politician. He has never had and will never embrace an Ethiopian issue. My friend along with Mr. Ararssa will keeping singing their old music, but I am afraid the audience number is dwindling.

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Post by sarcasm » 30 May 2022, 11:55

Y3n3g3s3w wrote:
30 May 2022, 08:58
በ 2005 (?) ዓም ከኦሮሞ ወጣቶች ጋር ለመተዋወቅና ቀልባቸውን በዛውም ለመሳብ 'ኢትዮጵያዊነት ያለፍላጎቴ ተጭኖብኝ ነው - I am Oromo first ' ብሎ የወቅቱ ኢሳት ላይ ወቶ ካወጀ በሁዋላ ስንቱን ውድ የኦሮሞ ወጣት በሁለት እጅና በሁለት እግሩ እነዳስጨበጨበው የቅርብ ግዜ ትዝታችን ከመሆንም በላይ እስር ቤት እሰኪገባ ድረስ ማጨብጨባቸውን ያልጨረሱ ነበሩ.፣ :lol: :lol: :lol:

ዘንድሮ ደሞ ማረሚያ ቤት ምን ተጭኖ ይሆን የወጣው:?
እኔ ለሁለተኛ ዙር እነ ዶ/ረ. አብይም (ብልፅግናዎችም) ሆኑ ፣ የስር ቤት ጓደኞቹ (እነ ስብሃት ነጋ፣ በቀለ ገርባ) ኢትዮጵያነትን ይጭኑታል የሚል ቅዠት አይነካካኝም ::


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Being Oromo and being Ethiopian are not incompatible. Identity is more complex than just saying you are one thing or another, identity is made up of several pieces that fit together like a puzzle. Humans have multiple identities — race, gender, age, occupation — the list goes on and on. Jawar like all Ethiopians has his ethnic identity - Oromo, Amara, Sidama etc and he also has his national identity - Ethiopian. A person can be a father and son. There is no need to view that there is a conflict between being a son to ones parents and a father to one children.

Professor Haile Gerima has put it nicely.

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Y3n3g3s3w
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Re: "ኢትዮጵያዊነት ያለፍላጎቴ ተጭኖብኝ ነው" -ጃወር መሀመድ :: ዘንድሮ ደሞ ማረሚያ ቤት ምን ተጭኖ ይሆን የወጣው ?(ዶር አብይ ኢትዮጵያዊነት በድጋሚ ጭኖት ይሆን?)

Post by Y3n3g3s3w » 30 May 2022, 12:30

There is a online information cirulating about a coup d'etat on Jawar's supermacy on youTube and facebook by the Tsegaye Ararsa and Prof.Awol group, that looks a retalation to his repeated ኢትዮጵያ ሀገራችን ማታለያ interview , which he present himself as a pure concerned Ethiopian citizen. More details to come.....



Sam Ebalalehu wrote:
30 May 2022, 10:55
Ayatollah will have a hard time being an Ethiopian politician. He has never had and will never embrace an Ethiopian issue. My friend along with Mr. Ararssa will keeping singing their old music, but I am afraid the audience number is dwindling.

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Re: "ኢትዮጵያዊነት ያለፍላጎቴ ተጭኖብኝ ነው" -ጃወር መሀመድ :: ዘንድሮ ደሞ ማረሚያ ቤት ምን ተጭኖ ይሆን የወጣው ?(ዶር አብይ ኢትዮጵያዊነት በድጋሚ ጭኖት ይሆን?)

Post by Abere » 30 May 2022, 12:37


Oromo or Oromgna is a subset of the set of languages spoken in Ethiopia. Ethiopia is a Nationality which is also any given citizen's identity. When Jawar said he is an Oromo first, he was referring to a Utopian country of Oromia/Orommuma which is an antithesis of Ethiopia and Ethiopiawinet. According to the statement he made by then, he was a citizen of Orommuma not Ethiopia. The irony however he said this while he hold a U.S. citizenship but acted as if he were member of Orommumma. Regarding what position he held today after he came out from the board house, I think he made only a tactical change. He simply copied the “ኢትዮጵያ ሱሴ” or the “ስንኖር ኢትዮጵያ፤ስንሞት ኢትዮጵያ” [ deleted ] tactics of the trendy Orommuma so as to effectively emulate with them. Other than that Jawar is al in all Orommuma as are his other Orommuma friend who are rich in words of praise for Ethiopia but bleed her gravely.

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Re: "ኢትዮጵያዊነት ያለፍላጎቴ ተጭኖብኝ ነው" -ጃወር መሀመድ :: ዘንድሮ ደሞ ማረሚያ ቤት ምን ተጭኖ ይሆን የወጣው ?(ዶር አብይ ኢትዮጵያዊነት በድጋሚ ጭኖት ይሆን?)

Post by Y3n3g3s3w » 30 May 2022, 18:00

“Being Oromo and being Ethiopian are not incompatible.” - I don’t think I agree with that statement, what does that suppose to mean. Oromos are Ethiopians unless you are talking about Kenyan Oromos-Oromos that decide to be Kenyan citizen which is perfectly ok. Now, what does compatibility has to do with Oromos that are Ethiopians.

Here is the real problem : as you , partly said it , its so obvious that there is no problem in being from any ethnic group and being Ethiopian . One can even throw his/her Ethiopiawinet away if one has the desire to do so .The problem comes when one organize people along ethnic line (identity) for the sole purpose of using them to achieve political goals. That still is not a crime in Ethiop but Jawar took it a step further and committed a crime.-organizing some innocent other not so innocent people organized alone ethnic lines. No one will deny this because it happens in-front of our eyes. The fact he is released is a completely different discussion.



sarcasm wrote:
30 May 2022, 11:55
Y3n3g3s3w wrote:
30 May 2022, 08:58
በ 2005 (?) ዓም ከኦሮሞ ወጣቶች ጋር ለመተዋወቅና ቀልባቸውን በዛውም ለመሳብ 'ኢትዮጵያዊነት ያለፍላጎቴ ተጭኖብኝ ነው - I am Oromo first ' ብሎ የወቅቱ ኢሳት ላይ ወቶ ካወጀ በሁዋላ ስንቱን ውድ የኦሮሞ ወጣት በሁለት እጅና በሁለት እግሩ እነዳስጨበጨበው የቅርብ ግዜ ትዝታችን ከመሆንም በላይ እስር ቤት እሰኪገባ ድረስ ማጨብጨባቸውን ያልጨረሱ ነበሩ.፣ :lol: :lol: :lol:

ዘንድሮ ደሞ ማረሚያ ቤት ምን ተጭኖ ይሆን የወጣው:?
እኔ ለሁለተኛ ዙር እነ ዶ/ረ. አብይም (ብልፅግናዎችም) ሆኑ ፣ የስር ቤት ጓደኞቹ (እነ ስብሃት ነጋ፣ በቀለ ገርባ) ኢትዮጵያነትን ይጭኑታል የሚል ቅዠት አይነካካኝም ::


TheManWhoSawTomorow
Being Oromo and being Ethiopian are not incompatible. Identity is more complex than just saying you are one thing or another, identity is made up of several pieces that fit together like a puzzle. Humans have multiple identities — race, gender, age, occupation — the list goes on and on. Jawar like all Ethiopians has his ethnic identity - Oromo, Amara, Sidama etc and he also has his national identity - Ethiopian. A person can be a father and son. There is no need to view that there is a conflict between being a son to ones parents and a father to one children.

Professor Haile Gerima has put it nicely.


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Post by Y3n3g3s3w » 31 May 2022, 08:45

That is Jawar, the self proclaimed political genius, political adbiser to numerous countries around the world(his own words).... :lol: :lol: :lol:

however, Lets not mix up things and differntiate between " ኢትዮጵያዊነት ድራግ ነው" ና ስንኖር ኢትዮጵያዊ ስንሞት ኢትዮጵያዊ" these are two completely different amazing outlooks said by two completely different individuals who at the time happen to agree on common goal but later followed a 180 degree path to each other. To begin with the former was said for sole purpose of getting support(ለማስጨብጨብ) which later was proved by the sayer's words and action beyound reasonable doubt. On the other hand the later was said to inspire the youth(ትውልድ ለማነፅ) , to cultivate new generation) of Ethiopians to have love of their country. Evidences are everywhere , we just have to be fair and just judges.



Abere wrote:
30 May 2022, 12:37

Oromo or Oromgna is a subset of the set of languages spoken in Ethiopia. Ethiopia is a Nationality which is also any given citizen's identity. When Jawar said he is an Oromo first, he was referring to a Utopian country of Oromia/Orommuma which is an antithesis of Ethiopia and Ethiopiawinet. According to the statement he made by then, he was a citizen of Orommuma not Ethiopia. The irony however he said this while he hold a U.S. citizenship but acted as if he were member of Orommumma. Regarding what position he held today after he came out from the board house, I think he made only a tactical change. He simply copied the “ኢትዮጵያ ሱሴ” or the “ስንኖር ኢትዮጵያ፤ስንሞት ኢትዮጵያ” [ deleted ] tactics of the trendy Orommuma so as to effectively emulate with them. Other than that Jawar is al in all Orommuma as are his other Orommuma friend who are rich in words of praise for Ethiopia but bleed her gravely.

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Post by DefendTheTruth » 31 May 2022, 11:16

sarcasm wrote:
30 May 2022, 11:55
A person can be a father and son. There is no need to view that there is a conflict between being a son to ones parents and a father to one children.
So, are you a father first or a son first, assuming you have got children?

Please don't tell me that the question is along the time axis.

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Re: "ኢትዮጵያዊነት ያለፍላጎቴ ተጭኖብኝ ነው" -ጃወር መሀመድ :: ዘንድሮ ደሞ ማረሚያ ቤት ምን ተጭኖ ይሆን የወጣው ?(ዶር አብይ ኢትዮጵያዊነት በድጋሚ ጭኖት ይሆን?)

Post by Abere » 31 May 2022, 12:10

የጁሃር ነገር ግልጽ መሰለኝ፤ ግን በአለም ላይ የሌለ ወሬ ነው። ለምሳሌ የጁሃር አገር እና ሌላ አንድ ግለሰብ ደግሞ የአባቱ አባት (ወንድ አያት - ሴት አያቱን እንተዋት) እንብል ከጉራጌ እና አማራ ቋንቋ ተናጋሪ ቤተሰብ የተገኘ ነው እንበል፤ የእናቱ አባት( ወንድ አያት፤ አሁንም ሴት አያትን እንርሳት) ከትግሬ እና ኦሮሞ ቤተሰብ የተገኘ ነው እንበል - ይህኛውስ ማን first ይበል። በአብዛኛው የኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ በዚህ አይነት ድር እና ማግ ሁኖ የተሰራ ነው። ስለዚህ ኢትዮጵያዊነት እንጅ የዚህ ሚጢጢ ቋንቋ ዜጋ ነኝ ምናምን የሚል ቅራቅንቦ ለመዝረፍ እንጅ ለሌላ አገልግሎት አይረዳም። ጥቂቶች ብዙሃኖችን ሊጨቁኑ አይችሉም። የነበረችውም ይሁን የወደፊቷ ኢትዮጵያ የእነ ጁሃር አይነቶቹ ሳይሆኑ ይህ በምሳሌው የተጠቀሰው ሙሉ ኢትዮጵያዊ ስብዕና ያለው አይነት ነው።

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Re: "ኢትዮጵያዊነት ያለፍላጎቴ ተጭኖብኝ ነው" -ጃወር መሀመድ :: ዘንድሮ ደሞ ማረሚያ ቤት ምን ተጭኖ ይሆን የወጣው ?(ዶር አብይ ኢትዮጵያዊነት በድጋሚ ጭኖት ይሆን?)

Post by ethiopianunity » 31 May 2022, 12:34

What l worry is those pausing as "Oromos" the Oneg/olf treacherous nature can hurt Ethiopia more. Why? There are more of them in govt cabinet. We can list these pausing as part of the Ethiopian community until Tplf was defeated then they came out against Ethiopia and most prominent ones: Merera Gudina, Shimelis Abdisa, Lemma Megersa, Jawar Mohammed, for got his name, Jawar buddy in Ofeco, many many of them. Why they will affect Ethiopia? Unlike Tplf and Shania, who became rebels historically and due to foreign colonization nature in those regions l would not be surprised and Ethiopians expected it and historically should have focused from the get go how to fix these regions unfortunately today, they even influence other regions of Ethiopia weakening the unity of the nation also because of weak leadership in the past to present who were deceived by their foreign advisors who also advise Tplf and Shania. So you can not expect pigeon out of snake's egg. On the other hand, the Oromia region was never exposed to foreign influence against Ethiopia, but indirectly Jimma Aba Jigar, Gragn Ahmed and Protestant of today in Wellega brought anti Ethiopia ism. Arusi and Bale which used to be staunch Ethiopian warriors is heavily influenced by Wahabi Islam. In Debub, via Seltes as well. What about in Amara? Also recently since Ethiopians in Gonder taken in the 90s and Gojam is being influenced to think about Amara rather than Ethiopia by foreigners and being forced to lose their souls for money and enslavement.

The reason l say Oromo treacherous nature adapted since 30 years is heavily influenced by Shabia and Tplf is because, they tend to be in power and can affect the nation a great deal. Most Oromo youth can be created as fanatics but they are the soul of what Ethiopia is and if they turn the tide their numbers are not that small. So nothing is certainty with current leadership and remains to be seen. What is driving is false nature of identity when even history and current shows otherwise. The above mentioned "Oromo" individuals have been in Ethiopia's mainstream, being part of the community inside and outside of Ethiopia and for them to come out against Ethiopia is shocking. So they have been sleeping cells. Whereas, I would not be surprised coming from Told or Shabia because of mentioned above.

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Re: "ኢትዮጵያዊነት ያለፍላጎቴ ተጭኖብኝ ነው" -ጃወር መሀመድ :: ዘንድሮ ደሞ ማረሚያ ቤት ምን ተጭኖ ይሆን የወጣው ?(ዶር አብይ ኢትዮጵያዊነት በድጋሚ ጭኖት ይሆን?)

Post by Abere » 31 May 2022, 12:44

Let's see when history and time proves it. The only thing I know is once Integrity is compromised, it is never easy to regain it. It is your word of honor what makes you honorable.

Y3n3g3s3w wrote:
31 May 2022, 08:45
That is Jawar, the self proclaimed political genius, political adbiser to numerous countries around the world(his own words).... :lol: :lol: :lol:

however, Lets not mix up things and differntiate between " ኢትዮጵያዊነት ድራግ ነው" ና ስንኖር ኢትዮጵያዊ ስንሞት ኢትዮጵያዊ" these are two completely different amazing outlooks said by two completely different individuals who at the time happen to agree on common goal but later followed a 180 degree path to each other. To begin with the former was said for sole purpose of getting support(ለማስጨብጨብ) which later was proved by the sayer's words and action beyound reasonable doubt. On the other hand the later was said to inspire the youth(ትውልድ ለማነፅ) , to cultivate new generation) of Ethiopians to have love of their country. Evidences are everywhere , we just have to be fair and just judges.



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30 May 2022, 12:37

Oromo or Oromgna is a subset of the set of languages spoken in Ethiopia. Ethiopia is a Nationality which is also any given citizen's identity. When Jawar said he is an Oromo first, he was referring to a Utopian country of Oromia/Orommuma which is an antithesis of Ethiopia and Ethiopiawinet. According to the statement he made by then, he was a citizen of Orommuma not Ethiopia. The irony however he said this while he hold a U.S. citizenship but acted as if he were member of Orommumma. Regarding what position he held today after he came out from the board house, I think he made only a tactical change. He simply copied the “ኢትዮጵያ ሱሴ” or the “ስንኖር ኢትዮጵያ፤ስንሞት ኢትዮጵያ” [ deleted ] tactics of the trendy Orommuma so as to effectively emulate with them. Other than that Jawar is al in all Orommuma as are his other Orommuma friend who are rich in words of praise for Ethiopia but bleed her gravely.



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Post by ethiopianunity » 08 Jun 2022, 14:03

Why are Ethiopians, government and Ethiopia media are trying to resurrect Jawar? Why are they giving him heavy weight and forcefully as influencer in Ethiopia? Remember, when you talk about such individual, foreigners are watching, and so is he and more than before, they can give him unprecedented power to affect Ethiopia. I think the above mentioned maybe aware of something about Jawar than what the public knows about his actions and party. Andafta, literally talked good things about Jawar as he introduced him as the main influencer for change against Tplf pouring water on many Ethiopians from losing lives, struggling, persecution, protesting, etc to oust Tplf. How well such Media as Andafta know that Jawar as young was nurtured by Tplf and Egypt and was sent to college by them? Let alone Jawar ousting Tplf, haha. If he did, it was for strategic reason what he was told by Egypt, to change tactic and support Oromiya independence. So, do Ethiopians want to crown this individual for the break up of Ethiopia? What is really going on in the minds of such Ethiopians? Or, are they trying to pamper him to change his mind on his dream of independent Oromiya? His bosses are Egypt and foreigners, they pay his bills and answers only to them! He has told many Ethiopians his dream is independent Oromiya, can't they get it through their thick head? The Oromo extremists have been lying Kero brought down Tplf? Kero began it's fight against Tplf only in the last stage of Tplf. Tplf and those cow towing to Tplf ( pretending to be Oromo but they are Oromo speaking Weyanes) were too busy controlling and brainwashing Oromo youths against Ethiopia for 37 years and sending the youth to Egypt and Somalia to be trained as terrorists, Oromo individuals such as Jawar were sent over seas also to be trained militarily for future terrorism against Ethiopia, in exchange to gain education, many Oromo Phds in West are the same and trained against Ethiopia. Weyane and Silte youths, the same. The Oromo youth then for 27 years was programmed to be against Ethiopia and embrace Latin, Egyptian flag, hate others esp Amara, etc..the Ethiopian Oomos who refused were like others persecuted, killed, So it was the Ethiopian youths as a whole were the ones who brought change against Tplf! Once again anyone who is saying only Kero brought down change is planning to divide the youths. This also means the many deaths of others mean nothing.


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