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Did Dr. Abiy betray President Issayas?

Post by euroland » 09 Jan 2022, 20:01

After watching PIA’s impressive interview yesterday, one can pick up PIA’s frustrations with the inexperienced Ethiopian leadership as far the war was conducting. Unlike his previous interview, PIA barely mentioned Dr.Abiy on his yesterday’s interview. There is something really bothered him that Dr. Abiy has done; perhaps on Dr. Abiy’s part, it could be unintentional.

Regardless, PIA was not officially told Abiy’s hasty withdrawal from Tigray. Abiy knew PIA would never agreed to that after thousands of lives paid by Eritrea to secure the entire Chigar kilil in a lighting speed when the Ethiopian forces were not in any shape to capture one single village themselves due to the sabotage upon them by the junta when the war started. PIA said, “we weren’t told in advance the withdrawal of Ethiopia forces from Tigray”. What was Abiy thinking by not sharing his plan with the government that did everything for him to stand on his two feet today. He probably knew PIA would strongly oppose a one single soldier withdrawal from Chigray, but then PIA has a right to find out what Abiy’s intentions were. Because of Dr. Abiy’s inexperience and immature decision, Ethiopia has suffered endlessly since, specially the Afaris and the Amaras.

The Eritrean forces completely disarmed the Weyane forces within 17 days and took control of all the Weyane weapons that they stolen from the ENDF at that critical night, Nov. 4 plus what Weyane had been stockpiling for many years to prepare for the war. Eritrean forces perhaps handed most of the weapons back to ENDF who had nothing, not even a cloth on their back. However,when hastily withdrew their huge forces from Chigray, they definitely handed over their heavy weapons and huge supplies back to the junta who in return used it to turn the Amara and Afar lands to dust. I believe PIA has a reason to be upset and it showed on his interview. Abiy has a lot of explaining to do and apologize sincerely if he wants his good relationship to continue with Eritrea. One thing Eritrea and its leaders are known for is we hate back stabbers and weak personality. PIA also never likes playing superficial games to appease anyone.

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Re: Did Dr. Abiy betray President Issayas?

Post by Zmeselo » 09 Jan 2022, 21:49

You raised a very important point, but one thing is definitely for sure. A lot of Ethiopians (even very prominent ones), are pi**ed off & feel betrayed by Abyi. Eritreans, as usual, are looking at the bigger player's (the US) every move:




And btw, yet another US client seems to be in trouble:

🔴🇩🇯 BREAKING!
Djiboutian citizens have started to rise-up against dictator IOG & his mafia criminal regime! Foreign military bases are on high Alert! The Minister of Budget have resigned, while an illegal coup is underway against the National Assembly of Djibouti!
Abdirahman M. Ahmed: @rassace

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Re: Did Dr. Abiy betray President Issayas?

Post by sun » 09 Jan 2022, 22:12

euroland wrote:
09 Jan 2022, 20:01
After watching PIA’s impressive interview yesterday, one can pick up PIA’s frustrations with the inexperienced Ethiopian leadership as far the war was conducting. Unlike his previous interview, PIA barely mentioned Dr.Abiy on his yesterday’s interview. There is something really bothered him that Dr. Abiy has done; perhaps on Dr. Abiy’s part, it could be unintentional.

Regardless, PIA was not officially told Abiy’s hasty withdrawal from Tigray. Abiy knew PIA would never agreed to that after thousands of lives paid by Eritrea to secure the entire Chigar kilil in a lighting speed when the Ethiopian forces were not in any shape to capture one single village themselves due to the sabotage upon them by the junta when the war started. PIA said, “we weren’t told in advance the withdrawal of Ethiopia forces from Tigray”. What was Abiy thinking by not sharing his plan with the government that did everything for him to stand on his two feet today. He probably knew PIA would strongly oppose a one single soldier withdrawal from Chigray, but then PIA has a right to find out what Abiy’s intentions were. Because of Dr. Abiy’s inexperience and immature decision, Ethiopia has suffered endlessly since, specially the Afaris and the Amaras.

The Eritrean forces completely disarmed the Weyane forces within 17 days and took control of all the Weyane weapons that they stolen from the ENDF at that critical night, Nov. 4 plus what Weyane had been stockpiling for many years to prepare for the war. Eritrean forces perhaps handed most of the weapons back to ENDF who had nothing, not even a cloth on their back. However,when hastily withdrew their huge forces from Chigray, they definitely handed over their heavy weapons and huge supplies back to the junta who in return used it to turn the Amara and Afar lands to dust. I believe PIA has a reason to be upset and it showed on his interview. Abiy has a lot of explaining to do and apologize sincerely if he wants his good relationship to continue with Eritrea. One thing Eritrea and its leaders are known for is we hate back stabbers and weak personality. PIA also never likes playing superficial games to appease anyone.
No need to look at such complex multidimensional issues with narrow uni-dimensional views. Better breath deep, relax,take time and reach broad based satisfactory consensual flexible decisions which may in the end strengthen Mamma Ethiopia, Mamma Eritrea and Mamma Africa. Reducing conflicts, tensions and oppositions can benefit Ethiopia and Eritrea very much.

Yes Dr.Abiy needs to keep talking with Pia and keep him as his natural ally now and into the future because they have lots of good jobs waiting for them individually and together. Other than that it is not so that PIA can take PM Abiy as hostage in the same way the tplf bandits took ENDF as hostage.

I don't think that the long lasting experienced PIA is as short tempered narrow minded few barking cadres wanting to spoil the BIG vision and the big cake for an imaginary pink cake up there in the blue sky. :P

And the Prime minister has the duty and the responsibility for finding novel solutions to the problems in front of him. Why not celebrate it and get all the benefits out of it even if we are used to mutual suspicions and mutual recriminations for anything small, big and medium? BINGO!
:P :P

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Re: Did Dr. Abiy betray President Issayas?

Post by Jaegol » 09 Jan 2022, 23:27

Abiy has betrayed everyone he came close to so far…
The ultimate betrayal is telling fanos to vacate wolkayit the land liberated with blood from the terrorist tplf.

And I am afraid of…in the making ultimate betrayal will be Abiy signs up with the ferenjis to be telalaki # 1 of the Horn… the ferenjis are out of options that Sudan was the chosen but falling fast and they got to rehabilitate Abiy’s image and rehire him to be meles naziawi #2

Abiy’s for Abiy’s interest…
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Re: Did Dr. Abiy betray President Issayas?

Post by Abe Abraham » 09 Jan 2022, 23:31

Jaegol wrote:
09 Jan 2022, 23:27
Abiy has betrayed everyone he came close to so far…
The ultimate betrayal is telling fanos to vacate wolkayit the land liberated with blood from the terrorist tplf.

And I am afraid of…in the making ultimate betrayal will be Abiy signs up with the ferenjis to be telalaki # 1 of the Horn… the ferenjis are out of options that Sudan was the chosen but falling fast and they got to rehabilitate Abiy’s image and rehire him to be meles naziawi #2

How do you betray 40,000,000 Amhara people ? It is impossible. If you think about it properly.

Unless the Amharas betray themselves by repeating useless words like " they are going to betray us " until they believe it and accept it there is no one in the world capable of betraying them and forcing them to give up their lands. If you are as strong as the Amhara people both physically and spiritually only self-betrayal is possible.

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Re: Did Dr. Abiy betray President Issayas?

Post by Jaegol » 10 Jan 2022, 16:32

My fear that I share here materialized today
Abiy is hired as hamdok is out
This is what I have been telling you folks…
“ And I am afraid of…in the making ultimate betrayal will be Abiy signs up with the ferenjis to be telalaki # 1 of the Horn… the ferenjis are out of options that Sudan was the chosen but falling fast and they got to rehabilitate Abiy’s image and rehire him to be meles naziawi #2”

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Re: Did Dr. Abiy betray President Issayas?

Post by euroland » 10 Jan 2022, 17:51

Well put!

Abiy is for Abiy interest.

Jaegol wrote:
09 Jan 2022, 23:27
Abiy has betrayed everyone he came close to so far…
The ultimate betrayal is telling fanos to vacate wolkayit the land liberated with blood from the terrorist tplf.

And I am afraid of…in the making ultimate betrayal will be Abiy signs up with the ferenjis to be telalaki # 1 of the Horn… the ferenjis are out of options that Sudan was the chosen but falling fast and they got to rehabilitate Abiy’s image and rehire him to be meles naziawi #2

Abiy’s for Abiy’s interest…

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Re: Did Dr. Abiy betray President Issayas?

Post by ZEMEN » 10 Jan 2022, 17:58

euroland wrote:
09 Jan 2022, 20:01
After watching PIA’s impressive interview yesterday, one can pick up PIA’s frustrations with the inexperienced Ethiopian leadership as far the war was conducting. Unlike his previous interview, PIA barely mentioned Dr.Abiy on his yesterday’s interview. There is something really bothered him that Dr. Abiy has done; perhaps on Dr. Abiy’s part, it could be unintentional.

Regardless, PIA was not officially told Abiy’s hasty withdrawal from Tigray. Abiy knew PIA would never agreed to that after thousands of lives paid by Eritrea to secure the entire Chigar kilil in a lighting speed when the Ethiopian forces were not in any shape to capture one single village themselves due to the sabotage upon them by the junta when the war started. PIA said, “we weren’t told in advance the withdrawal of Ethiopia forces from Tigray”. What was Abiy thinking by not sharing his plan with the government that did everything for him to stand on his two feet today. He probably knew PIA would strongly oppose a one single soldier withdrawal from Chigray, but then PIA has a right to find out what Abiy’s intentions were. Because of Dr. Abiy’s inexperience and immature decision, Ethiopia has suffered endlessly since, specially the Afaris and the Amaras.

The Eritrean forces completely disarmed the Weyane forces within 17 days and took control of all the Weyane weapons that they stolen from the ENDF at that critical night, Nov. 4 plus what Weyane had been stockpiling for many years to prepare for the war. Eritrean forces perhaps handed most of the weapons back to ENDF who had nothing, not even a cloth on their back. However,when hastily withdrew their huge forces from Chigray, they definitely handed over their heavy weapons and huge supplies back to the junta who in return used it to turn the Amara and Afar lands to dust. I believe PIA has a reason to be upset and it showed on his interview. Abiy has a lot of explaining to do and apologize sincerely if he wants his good relationship to continue with Eritrea. One thing Eritrea and its leaders are known for is we hate back stabbers and weak personality. PIA also never likes playing superficial games to appease anyone.
President Isaias can easily retaliate immature Abiy by siding with the fight hungry Amara, fano and amara militia. At this point Amara are pissed of with Abiy and all it takes for Eritrea is send few trainers to triane the Amara spacial forces and fano and Abiy is history. really!!

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Re: Did Dr. Abiy betray President Issayas?

Post by Jaegol » 11 Jan 2022, 17:27

If Abiy is hired as an agent… pretty soon we’ll start seeing the beautification of Abiys image as a statesman and I would not even be surprised if the ferenjis nominate him for second Nobel peace prize. Abiy will go through a make up phase to rehabilitate him.
This could be a good thing for the region with an opportunity for Abiy to lead the whole region to prosperity,… as long as Abiy doesn’t become total servant of the evil Arabbs/ferenjis and start wars again Somalia and Eritrea as meles naziawi did at the order of the ferenji masters.
Where as tplf will be labeled terrorist by its former masters, and its image trashed by the same fake news outlets that called it freedom fighters yesterday. Tplf will be thrown in to the dust bin and remembered as the destructive banda telalaki the Horn of Africa even seen in its history … hero to zero… Biden style

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Re: Did Dr. Abiy betray President Issayas?

Post by eden » 04 Feb 2023, 11:13

ZEMEN wrote:
10 Jan 2022, 17:58
President Isaias can easily retaliate immature Abiy by siding with the fight hungry Amara, fano and amara militia. At this point Amara are pissed of with Abiy and all it takes for Eritrea is send few trainers to triane the Amara spacial forces and fano and Abiy is history. really!!
your boy Isayas allied with tplf to remove derg, then allied with PP to remove tplf and now allied with fano/ orthodox to remove PP. How many Eritrean families are you willing to destroy every decade for your severely short sighted ideas? it’s predictable you will ally with someone else against fano/orthodox , too.

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Re: Did Dr. Abiy betray President Issayas?

Post by DefendTheTruth » 04 Feb 2023, 13:42

Zmeselo wrote:
09 Jan 2022, 21:49
You raised a very important point, but one thing is definitely for sure. A lot of Ethiopians (even very prominent ones), are pi**ed off & feel betrayed by Abyi. Eritreans, as usual, are looking at the bigger player's (the US) every move:
I thought you could be someone who can offer better than that. There was a widespread gossipping in here that the true leader of Ethiopia is President Isayas Afworki of Eritrea during the war time of last two years, perhaps not without a reason, if somebody thinks so.

Ethiopia is a sovereign state, has a sovereign power to decide on the internal affairs of its own, without consulting with anybody on that prior or posterior of the measures it may take and deemed needed on its own.

Just because somebody was giving a helping hand to oneself doesn't mean that person also have got a part in your sovereignity (unless you also want to repeat the politics of giving wheat and then buy back the sovereignity of the recepients).

In deplomacy there is something called exchange of information on some issues of mutual interest, and Ethiopia could (might) have informed the diplomatic core and the friendly neighbours on what it was doing in its own country.

If President Isayas Afworki or somebody else might think are "pi**ed off, then they have to blame that on their own intransigence and failing to learn to make politics of compromise (not for the interest of Ethiopia but for the interest of Eritrea in this case according to the view of this writer).

Ato Naemin Zeleke is also such am intrasigent politician, all his life, and he remained the same.

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Re: Did Dr. Abiy betray President Issayas?

Post by eden » 04 Feb 2023, 21:08

euroland wrote:
09 Jan 2022, 20:01

PIA was not officially told Abiy’s hasty withdrawal from Tigray. Abiy knew PIA would never agreed to that after thousands of lives paid by Eritrea
who should Eritrean citizens, especially mothers of those thousands fallen, hold responsible? our government or a foreign government?

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Re: Did Dr. Abiy betray President Issayas?

Post by euroland » 04 Feb 2023, 22:10

Edu junti

Of course those minimum sacrifices are worth it to decimate the arch enemy of the Eritrean people, the Weyane. I feel sorry for a million plus sacrifice your sons and daughters made just to end up their Chigray Kilil to shirk in size and to go through hell.
eden wrote:
04 Feb 2023, 21:08
euroland wrote:
09 Jan 2022, 20:01

PIA was not officially told Abiy’s hasty withdrawal from Tigray. Abiy knew PIA would never agreed to that after thousands of lives paid by Eritrea
who should Eritrean citizens, especially mothers of those thousands fallen, hold responsible? our government or a foreign government?

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Re: Did Dr. Abiy betray President Issayas?

Post by sun » 04 Feb 2023, 22:19

If you are a true Eritrean do you feel that PM Abiy betrayed Eritrea? If so how?
Zmeselo wrote:
09 Jan 2022, 21:49
You raised a very important point, but one thing is definitely for sure. A lot of Ethiopians (even very prominent ones), are pi**ed off & feel betrayed by Abyi. Eritreans, as usual, are looking at the bigger player's (the US) every move:




And btw, yet another US client seems to be in trouble:

🔴🇩🇯 BREAKING!
Djiboutian citizens have started to rise-up against dictator IOG & his mafia criminal regime! Foreign military bases are on high Alert! The Minister of Budget have resigned, while an illegal coup is underway against the National Assembly of Djibouti!
Abdirahman M. Ahmed: @rassace

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Re: Did Dr. Abiy betray President Issayas?

Post by union » 04 Feb 2023, 22:30

The junta is back in አራት ኪሎ። what other evidence does anyone need that abiy sold everyone that helped him.

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Re: Did Dr. Abiy betray President Issayas?

Post by eden » 06 Feb 2023, 09:45

union wrote:
04 Feb 2023, 22:30
The junta is back in አራት ኪሎ። what other evidence does anyone need that abiy sold everyone that helped him.
it’s called denial

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Re: Did Dr. Abiy betray President Issayas?

Post by Misraq » 06 Feb 2023, 11:14

eurobItch,

When we oppose the satanic deeds of the inferiority ridden galla who goes by the name of Abiy, you lined up in defense for him. Now you know the guy is #1 traitor. Guess what, he has already betrayed you when he was able to save the TPLF goons. He has betrayed you again when he brought them to Addis in that picture where you saw Getachew Reda, Tsadkan and Tadesse werede. For the inferior Galla, weyanne has more benefit than anyone. He just uses people when he needs them and he betrays when he feels he don't need them. That is the hallmark of his career. In short, he leads matter in the "confuse & convince" ideology.

The infirior galla needs weyanne to counter any challenge from ethiopianists and weyanne needs the inferior galla. What is Eritrea's role in this equation? you may say non but weyanne will use this opportunity to regroup and try something different this time. we will wait and see on that. But trust me the inferior galla and his relationship with Eritrea will be over officially soon if it is not over already.

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Re: Did Dr. Abiy betray President Issayas?

Post by Zmeselo » 06 Feb 2023, 12:33

No, I'm an untrue Eritrean. :mrgreen:

Euroland posted this after Abyi's sudden retreat from chgray 1 year ago, to please the white house.

Eritrea didn't feel betrayed then, just sorry for Abyi that he couldn't extricate his country from the grips of the white man.

A lot of water has gone under that bridge today, though.


sun wrote:
04 Feb 2023, 22:19
If you are a true Eritrean do you feel that PM Abiy betrayed Eritrea? If so how?
Zmeselo wrote:
09 Jan 2022, 21:49
You raised a very important point, but one thing is definitely for sure. A lot of Ethiopians (even very prominent ones), are pi**ed off & feel betrayed by Abyi. Eritreans, as usual, are looking at the bigger player's (the US) every move:




And btw, yet another US client seems to be in trouble:

🔴🇩🇯 BREAKING!
Djiboutian citizens have started to rise-up against dictator IOG & his mafia criminal regime! Foreign military bases are on high Alert! The Minister of Budget have resigned, while an illegal coup is underway against the National Assembly of Djibouti!
Abdirahman M. Ahmed: @rassace

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Re: Did Dr. Abiy betray President Issayas?

Post by eden » 01 May 2023, 15:08

Zmeselo wrote:
06 Feb 2023, 12:33

Eritrea didn't feel betrayed


lol

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Re: Did Dr. Abiy betray President Issayas?

Post by Abe Abraham » 01 May 2023, 15:19

eden wrote:
01 May 2023, 15:08
Zmeselo wrote:
06 Feb 2023, 12:33

Eritrea didn't feel betrayed


lol

Eritrea didn't feel betrayed then, just sorry for Abyi that he couldn't extricate his country from the grips of the white man.

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