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Re: ETHIOPIA MUST SEVER DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH USA

Post by Sabur » 02 Aug 2021, 07:29

Somaliman:
Somaliman wrote:
02 Aug 2021, 07:03

Ethiopia has been receiving $3.5 billion on average from international donors in recent years, which represents 50 to 60 percent of its national budget.
This might be so true, but it is not a life line for Ethiopia. Ethiopia can feed it self and thrive if the Ethiopian People and Govt are Ready to make the Hard Choice.

Close all AID Organizations in Ethiopia and take hard measures to free Ethiopia from AID addiction. It will be VERY tough for the first few years (like the withdrawal syndrome), but Very doable.

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Re: ETHIOPIA MUST SEVER DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH USA

Post by Somaliman » 02 Aug 2021, 07:49

Sabur wrote:
02 Aug 2021, 07:29
Somaliman:
Somaliman wrote:
02 Aug 2021, 07:03

Ethiopia has been receiving $3.5 billion on average from international donors in recent years, which represents 50 to 60 percent of its national budget.
This might be so true, but it is not a life line for Ethiopia. Ethiopia can feed it self and thrive if the Ethiopian People and Govt are Ready to make the Hard Choice.

Close all AID Organizations in Ethiopia and take hard measures to free Ethiopia from AID addiction. It will be VERY tough for the first few years (like the withdrawal syndrome), but Very doable.





Of course, it can be done, and if African countries, in particular, want their independence, they must get off the hook of foreign aid dependency. African countries have been dependent on foreign aid since their independence, and considering the true weight of this dependency, we can say that African countries have only enjoyed an illusion of independence.

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Re: ETHIOPIA MUST SEVER DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH USA

Post by Lakeshore » 02 Aug 2021, 08:15

If we want to cut us free from the shekel of the west. we have to endure some pain, as Horus puts it if we believe and fear that the a American can invade us as they pleased, then we have a fundamental problem even in accepting our own leader. we like it or not America is not governed by a Nazi or a Fashist party we should not forget there more American, who are not crook like Samantha power or Feltman, who love Ethiopia and stand for justice but they are not loud like the bullies.

It takes a lot even for bullies to declare war but it doesn't mean they will not go to war when they see us week and divided. Also we have to cut ourselves from their aid, Actually, their main fear is that we will be free of their aid and become self-sufficient and to derail that they will go a lot.
We can see Eritrea trying to be self sufficient but they put barriers after barriers war after war. They are already doing it and they are forcing us to take their aid most probably laced with some addictive ingredient. The government provided 70% of the aid but they do not want to admit that and they believe that only their aid is capable of feeding the junta. I wondered how the Tigre are on aid for the past 27 years.

here we should know aid is big business actually the most lucrative business in the world. if 100 peoples are displaced from their location the aid organization claims for 1million people who is going to verify it is a war zone if not they will make to be. In order to do that they have deliver those aids for those hundred peoples. to make it like a war zone then they need peoples like Getachew Reda and ignored all of his atrocities.

The best scenario in my opinion is to go and show them our determination no matter what, destroy the JUNTA. here we have some problem the Arabs and Americans have their hand is the pocket of some government officials for sure. That is why the almost completed war dragged back its original status. In my opinion our government if not the top officials should have a good clean up of them selves get rid of those with wishi-whasi political stand, public trust problems and close or possible connection with the JUNTA and proceed with the elimination of the JUNTA decisively.

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Post by AbyssiniaLady » 02 Aug 2021, 14:36

The problem is that Ethiopian politicians have no concept of global geopolitics, they are emotionally unstable and many are still living in the past, however, Ethiopia can survive without foreign aid but severing diplomatic relations with the United States is the wrong move at the wrong time, It's not the way things need to be addressed, Ethiopia needs the west far too much, Without the west, Ethiopia will be flooded with illegal weapons.

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Post by Horus » 02 Aug 2021, 14:45

AbyssiniaLady wrote:
02 Aug 2021, 14:36
The problem is that Ethiopian politicians have no concept of global geopolitics, they are emotionally unstable and many are still living in the past, however, Ethiopia can survive without foreign aid but severing diplomatic relations with the United States is the wrong move at the wrong time, It's not the way things need to be addressed, Ethiopia needs the west far too much, Without the west, Ethiopia will be flooded with illegal weapons.
You need food because it nurtures you; you don't a food that kills you. Get your logic straight! It is not weapon that kills and wins wars; it is people that fight and win wars! Get your logic straight!


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Re: ETHIOPIA MUST SEVER DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH USA

Post by Educator » 02 Aug 2021, 15:24

Few things will happen in the following order:
1- hard currency will be depleted
2- feul and medicine shortage as importing them with Birr is impossible
3- AU, ECA and UN will relocate somewhere else
4- rule of law will collapse
4 - City dwellers will starve
5- majority ethnics will obliterate minorities especially in Oromia where Amharas are residing as minorities
6- freedom of movement will perish
7- civilization will dissipate
8- people turn into zombies


And more....
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02 Aug 2021, 02:51

Here is my question!

What will happen to Ethiopia if she expels Euro-American agents and spies? What will happen if America decides to invade us? Nothing! blockade, sanctions? Nothing.
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Re: ETHIOPIA MUST SEVER DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH USA

Post by AbyssiniaLady » 02 Aug 2021, 15:25

Horus calm down and read my comment again, Ethiopia doesn't need expired american wheat, It has food, what Ethiopia needs is peace and security.

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Post by Abere » 02 Aug 2021, 15:53

One of the blessing in disguise over the last 27 years is, TPLF created an exodus of refugees and immigrants of Ethiopian descents to the U.S. and other European countries. Some of these immigrants are now even grand parents. Although TPLF also used false Eritrean identity to create their own false Tigre refugees ( like Alula Solomon) for lobby in some rainy season like this time, the genuine Ethiopian diaspora can create awareness about the true situation in Ethiopia for ordinary Americans and their representatives. Recently, for instance, we watched that Ethiopian-Americans have challenged their congress to let them know the truth by underscoring TPLF is the aggressor and the criminal. Things like this are very important. The other thing is the Ethiopian government has to do well job in diplomacy and public relation. Experience like what we saw in Abay Dam issue at the UN Security council was very fantastic. The world learnt how simply Egypt was misinforming the international community about the reality of the Abay Adam. So, diplomacy is the best armament to win in today's world. Expose the Tigre Woyanes lie, deceit, open up the 27 years of heinous crime and leave no reason left behind. When Ethiopia stops passing on the stick by being sloppy or unnecessarily buying time to appease for every foul cry, that is where the country heads to crisis - and foreign powers will have reason. Let's be honest, if Abiy Ahmed and his government is dragging out this fight with Tigre rebels, let alone Americas, Ethiopians will also pause to ask what is wrong with this leadership and may rebel against before even the U.S. or any other country intervenes. Thus, time is the essence in this fight. Get in shape and take out TPLF, give no time to any foul cry. As a legitimate elected PM, Abiy Ahmed has the mandate to change and write rule of the game, leaving no loophole for foreign intervention - such as changing the constitution, etc. after September 2021. That is how you put full stop on a mercenary separatist thug like TPLF.

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Post by Horus » 02 Aug 2021, 15:59

Educator,
የትግሬ ባንዳ ስንዴ ለማኝ፣ እነዚያ ያንተ ዝርዝሮች ያንተ በክራክ ኮኬይን የደነዘው አንጎልህ ቅዠቶች ናቸው !! በአሁን ሰዓት ድባቅ እያረገህ ያለው መላው የኢትዮጵያ ጎሳ ነው። ይህ ገና መጀመሩ ነው ። And, none of those colonial consequences you listed are more worthy than the freedom and sovereignty of our blameless historic nation -Ethiopia!

ሰው ባገሩ፣ሰው በወንዙ ቢበላ ሳር፣ ቢበላ መቅመቆ፤
ይከበር የለም ወይ ማንነቱ ታውቆ።


ሲባል እዳንተ ያለ ስንዴ ለማኝ የባንዳ ልጅ ፋንዲያ ሊገባህ አይችልም!!

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Re: ETHIOPIA MUST SEVER DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH USA

Post by Educator » 02 Aug 2021, 16:48

Why are so many Ethiopian diaspora stuck in menial jobs all over the world if rhetoric like below is true? Or all these diaspora are "banda" as you say?
Reality check.
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ሰው ባገሩ፣ሰው በወንዙ ቢበላ ሳር፣ ቢበላ መቅመቆ፤
ይከበር የለም ወይ ማንነቱ ታውቆ።


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Post by Abere » 02 Aug 2021, 17:05

ከአገሩ የወጣ - አገሩ እስኪ መለስ፣
ሲጭኑት አህያ- ሲጋልቡት ፈረስ።

የግጥሙ መልክት የስደትን አስከፊ ገጽታ በአጭሩ የሚገልጽ ሲሆን የሰው ልጅም በምንም ዓይንት መልኩም ቢሆን በተሰደደበት
አገር ውስጥ ሙሉ ሰው ሆኖ ሊኖር እንደማይችል ነው ግጥሙ በአጭሩ ሊያስረዳን የሚሞክረው:: የተሰደደበትን አገር ወግ፣
ባህል፣ቁንቁዋ እና ማንነት መያዝ አስቸጋሪ ነው የሚሆነው:: ምክንያቱም የሰዋች ማንነት የሚገነባው ተወልዶ ባደገበት ህ/ሰብ
ዉስጥ ሰለሆነ::
ኢትዮጵያውያን ለምን ከአገራቸው ወጥተው ይሰደዳሉ?
ኢትዮጵያ አገራችን በትግራይ ነፅ አውጭ ድርጅት ሰር ከዎደቀች ግዜ አንሰቶ የአገሪቱዋ ህልውና እና የዜጎችዋ ደህንነት አደጋ
ላይ ወድቆል:: ለዚህም ተጠያቂው በሰልጣን ላይ ያለው ህዝባዊ ወያኔ ሃርነት ትግራይ ነው::

ይህ ማለት ኢትዮዽያ ለኢትዮዽያኖች በትግሬ ወያኔ ዘመን ባዕድ አገር ነበረች። የባዕድ አገር ይበልጥ ከኢትዮዽያ የተሻለ ነበር። የትግሬ ወያኔ አገር እንጅ የእነርሱ አልነበረችም ማለት ነው። ትግሬ ወያኔ እንደ አህያ ተጭኖ ጋልቦ ይበዘብዛችው ነበር. Their life time earnings and worth was stolen by TPLF; imagine the number of successful business establishments that were once owned and run by Gurage entrepreneurs were illegally confiscated by Tigre Woyanes, and the large swath of fertile agricultural lands of Oromos and other tribes were taken over by Tigre Woyanes. Literally, Ethiopians did not have country while they were in their country - they were treated as 3rd class citizens: Adowans first, Axum Second, everyone else is the last.


Source:-
http://www.assimba.org/Articles/Migration.pdf
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ሰው ባገሩ፣ሰው በወንዙ ቢበላ ሳር፣ ቢበላ መቅመቆ፤
ይከበር የለም ወይ ማንነቱ ታውቆ።

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Re: ETHIOPIA MUST SEVER DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH USA

Post by Aba » 02 Aug 2021, 17:14

"ታሪክ ኣልባ ጎረምሶች ጉድ ሊይደርጉኝ ነው" :lol: :mrgreen: :lol:

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Re: ETHIOPIA MUST SEVER DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH USA

Post by Horus » 04 Aug 2021, 03:05

We Ethiopians need to free ourselves from wishful thinking. America is pursuing its long planned agenda. Let's stop the drama and tell Americans to stop it or sever our relations and prepared for American invasion - be it economic, political or military !


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Post by Noble Amhara » 04 Aug 2021, 03:19

according to Agame Educator. Ethiopians rely on outside countries to feed themselves! This is pure propaganda. Ethiopia can feed itself. Abiy will never cut ties with the Americans as horus blindly suggests. Abiy Ahmed will continue to negotiate and take some orders from the U.S Government but not all orders can be made.

Ethiopia can trade with China Russia Turkey UAE Saudi Arabia for fuel but we are responsible for the agricultural reformation which should be enforced planting trees is dumb without modernizing ethiopias farms for productivity! etc. What is America for our country? they rarely help us develop but rather intervene in our affairs and try to manage our state ensuring we stay in poverty. haven't you not learned from Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan?

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Post by Horus » 04 Aug 2021, 03:39

ኖብል አማራ
እስቲ እውቀት አለኝ የምትል ከሆነ አቢይ አጎንብሶ የሚቀበላቸውን ያሜሪካ ትዛዞች ምን እንደ ሆኑ ነገረን?

አቢይ ካሜርካ ጋር ይደራደራል ብለሃል ? እስቲ አመሪካኖች የነገሩህን መደራደሪያቸው ምን እንደ ሆኑ ነገረን !

ስሜን ከማንሳትህ በፊት የምትናገረው ነገር ምን እንደ ሆነ አስብ! ከመመለስህ በፊት የተጻፈውን አንብብ፣ ከሃፍረት ያድንሃል።

እኔ ያልኩት ይህን ነው፡ go back and read it.

"If America and EU continue their unjust aggression on our nation, Ethiopia must cut ties with those countries that are preparing invasion and colonial slavery on the Free People of Ethiopia!"

ይህ ደሞ በግድ፣ በግድ ይሆናል ።

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Re: ETHIOPIA MUST SEVER DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH USA

Post by Lakeshore » 04 Aug 2021, 10:07

Horus

i can answer your question if yo are willing to understand the problem is you are a some one who is hoping to get something from blinded support of Abyi.
except what you are saying he did not address this issues and it is every bodies question.

እስቲ እውቀት አለኝ የምትል ከሆነ አቢይ አጎንብሶ የሚቀበላቸውን ያሜሪካ ትዛዞች ምን እንደ ሆኑ ነገረን?

After so many life and property damage he was told to evacuate from Tigray and he did not only evacuate he run out, leaving every civilian , university students, weapons, food, benzine and even government employees later on killed by the JUNTA and last week allowed to have a fake vigil in Meskel square.

They told him to reconnect electricity , telephone and internet he did. while many Ethiopian starving he was told to feed Tigre he did. and many many.

አቢይ ካሜርካ ጋር ይደራደራል ብለሃል ? እስቲ አመሪካኖች የነገሩህን መደራደሪያቸው ምን እንደ ሆኑ ነገረን !

First of all if he was not willing to negotiate with them he would not run away from Tigray. Before the war started he was begging them for negotiation thanks for the junta for not agreeing if they agree we would not remove these lychees for another 20 years with all this network that they web around the international organization. Even now how while they are in the cave how much support they got from this individuals they bought them while they were in power.

Actually Abyi is tariffed of the JUNTA the Ethiopian peoples took away his phobia away by standing against them especially the Amhara Fano and special forces.

what the Americans want is to bring JUNTA to the table and share power based on the constitution but Abyi knows how the Amhara peoples fells about heir land if he tried that will be his end he tried to negotiate with wolkait and humera.

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Post by Horus » 04 Aug 2021, 10:17

Lakeshore (= Noble Amara?) kkkKKK..............KKKK!!I

What do you see happening? Ethiopia will expel, eject from our country each and every imperial, colonial spy.

I will predict that if USA doesn't change its policy of sleeping with Tigray terrorism, US embassy itself will be shut down.

You are dealing with Ethiopians, understood!

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Post by Noble Amhara » 04 Aug 2021, 10:25

ዕውር Hororo

There is No ethiopia in this equation, Abiy has failed and confused the country time and time again. he is playing chess with Ethiopians not the Americans. He is a US Spy he made ethiopia fail in tigray. imagine russia china eritrea fighting their rebels? they would have no mercy at all completly destroying the shiftas and people rather abiy has wasted ethiopias money feeding juntas so they could destroy ethiopian army. Amharas need to find their own leader that can lead them to long term victory


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Post by Wedi » 04 Aug 2021, 10:31

Under the leadership of Ms. Samantha Power, U.S.A.I.D. is no more an AID and humanitarian Organization. Under Ms. Power leadership, U.S.A.I.D. effectively becomes a Neo-colonialism tool used by America to impose its powers around the world.
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Re: ETHIOPIA MUST SEVER DIPLOMATIC RELATIONS WITH USA

Post by Horus » 04 Aug 2021, 13:03

Lakeshore = Noble Amara, አንተ የትግሬ ባንዳ እኔ ድሮ ባማራ ስም የምትለፋደድ የስንዴ ለማኝ ለቁማጽ እንደ ሆንክ አውቃለሁ ። ገና ተቀጠቀጣለህ፣ ካንሰር ሳይወገድ ጤንነት ስለሌለ። አንተ ወራዳ ታናሽ ለምንድን ነው ትግሬ መሆንክን አሳውቀህ የማትለፋደደው? ይህው ዝቅተኛ ሳይኮሎጂህ ነው ለዚህ ሁሉ ያደረሰህ!

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