Mereja Forum

[sarcasm]

Germany's position on Raya & Wolkiat

Germany Federal Foreign Office on the situation in Ethiopia

The latest reports out of Ethiopia are worrying: in Tigray, we are witnessing a further deterioration of the humanitarian situation; there have been clashes again, and there is the danger of a renewed increase in severe violence between different population groups. These developments must be stopped while that is still possible.

We call on everyone involved to agree and adhere to an immediate ceasefire. It is completely clear that all foreign troops must immediately and fully withdraw from the region, and that we need a transparent investigation into the human rights violations. Any redrawing of borders through armed force or by other unconstitutional means is unacceptable.

Safe, unhindered and permanent humanitarian access to Tigray must now be the top priority. Those who have fled because of the conflict must be able to return safely to their homes.

Source https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/en/news ... /-/2471548

[Zmeselo]

Too late for your lackeys, you sanctimonious sob's! The whole Horn is píssed off, with this 21st Century's terrorist- slave- junta.

[Noble Amhara]

Aritcle 48

[Lakeshore]

Dumbo! the whole Africa except Ethiopian boarder is redrawn by the barrel of the gun by the same European that you worship.

[sarcasm]

Germany's position on Raya & Wolkiat

Germany Federal Foreign Office on the situation in Ethiopia

It is completely clear that all foreign troops must immediately and fully withdraw from the region, and that we need a transparent investigation into the human rights violations. Any redrawing of borders through armed force or by other unconstitutional means is unacceptable.


Source https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/en/news ... /-/2471548

That is a clear position.

[Wedi]

Aritcle 48

TPLF annexed Welkait and Raya to Tigray Illegally. Just read TPLF's own proclamation /አዋጅ/ about creation of Ethnic boundaries and administration regions!!


You can not use the constitution to solve an issue that is forcefully annexed before the constitutions is made. You can not draft a constitution and try to use it to solve an issue created before the constitution is implemented.


Only fools accept your argument.

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Proclamation no. 7/1992 : a proclamation to provide for the establishment of national/regional self-governments.


Ethiopia's proclamation No.7 /1992

This what the proclamation states:

A Proclamation to provide for the Establishment of National/Regional self governments


page 4

4. Delineation of Borders of National Self-Governments

4.1 The adjacency of territory settled by a nation, nationality and people shall be the basis for the delineation of the borders of the National Self-Government.

4.2a) The borders of Woredas that existed prior the 1974 [During Derg administration] shall be taken as the bases for delineation of borders of adjacent National Transitional Self-government until the details of the geographical borders of each nation, nationality and people are specifically laid down.


proclamation number 7 1992



https://www.lawethiopia.com/images/fede ... mation.pdf


አዋጅ ቁጥር 7 1984 አንቀፅ 4.2ሀ

[Abere]

The border is already decided, sealed and stamped by the blood of patriotic Ethiopians. Thanks to those patriotic Amhara Fano and ENDF. Humera and Welqait are recovered from the Tigre thieves. The remaining task is to hunt down the criminals hiding either in Europe such as in Germany, America and those still hiding and living in containers in Tigray. Germany will decide on Ethiopian lands when Ethiopians decided on partitioning Germany. German has no business in Ethiopians affairs. We don't give a damn to them. Justice prevails on our own sacrifice not from the tongues of snakes and lizards. The sad reality however, is the number Tigres dying on fabricated stories of Tigres made to steal others territory. The first lie of Tigres disprove in the international court when they lost Badme and all lands related to it to Eritrea. About 120,000 lives lost because of the Tigres fabricated land. Where in history the place called Tigray is very small constituted of few Awurajas of Agame, Adowa. Again their elephant size of lie to steal Amhara ancestry lands of Humera, Welqait, and Raya is now costing them 700, 000 deaths so far. The West is flooring on the pedal for the Tigres to run into killing machines. This is none of their business. If Tigres have at least a living cell in their brain case, they have to pull of out all Amhara lands and move beyond Raya Korem-Alamata, and avert their own death and destruction. It is time to stop enjoying the loud speakers of Germany and the like. We don't give it a damn.

[Blueshift]

Eden,

Local borders can change. That is also part of the sovereignty principle. Under sovereignty principle, Ethiopia can change its own internal borders. It is only international borders that are absolute. Again, sovereignty principle.

[Abere]

hahahahaha, Germany will also say please don't change the TPLF's own ዴዴቢት ኢ-ህገመንግሥት. Again to those Tigres who still tuned to their own old lyrics, we give them our middle fingers. Listening the defeated and deflated ደብረፅዮን yesterday, something wonders me. The TPLF even did not now they are left behind in time, they salivate to rule Ethiopia in the same old way they used to. Tigres mentality is stuck in the cave age. A higher level organism's , human being, thinking and orientation changes and evolves with time, the TPLF-Tigres, is instinctively programmed like a none human animal. Very interesting.

[sarcasm]

Eden,

Local borders can change. That is also part of the sovereignty principle. Under sovereignty principle, Ethiopia can change its own internal borders. It is only international borders that are absolute. Again, sovereignty principle.

You are right, local borders can changed but trying to change them by armed forces / through unconstitutional manner is the problem. For example, the Southern region's borders have changed twice in the last year and 2 regions have been constituted. There is nothing sacred about the current regional borders. But they can only be changed by constitutional arrangement. Otherwise, if bigger regions start sending their soldiers to re-draw their borders, who is going to be safe? No one! That would be a recipe for never-ending chaos.

[sarcasm]

they salivate to rule Ethiopia in the same old way they used to.

No one is trying to rule you. Debrezion is saying "አከባቢያችን እናስተዳድራለን፤ አከባቢያቹን አስተዳድሩ። የአገሪቱን ፖለቲካን በሚመለከት፤ ሁሉም የሚመለከተው በሚሳተፍበት የውይይት መድረክ፤ አማራጮችንም ታይተው የተሻለውን አማራጭ ተግባራዊ ለማድረግ ድርሻችን እንወጣለን።"

[Blueshift]

Eden,


I am sure Abbiy knows that. It is has to become official. That means, the parliament has to convene and make its decisions. Most likely, the residents vote will be the determinant factor. Hence, the war is not necessary to that end. If you ask me, Ethiopia needs to be restructured along nonethnic lines. Otherwise, this problem will keep coming. I know there is amhara mistrust in Ethiopia. But, this is misplaced. Ethiopia to some degree is equalized and balanced. Southern nationalities would never have these type of problems internally.

[ZEMEN]

they salivate to rule Ethiopia in the same old way they used to.

No one is trying to rule you. Debrezion is saying "አከባቢያችን እናስተዳድራለን፤ አከባቢያቹን አስተዳድሩ። የአገሪቱን ፖለቲካን በሚመለከት፤ ሁሉም የሚመለከተው በሚሳተፍበት የውይይት መድረክ፤ አማራጮችንም ታይተው የተሻለውን አማራጭ ተግባራዊ ለማድረግ ድርሻችን እንወጣለን።"

This a jock! First they, The TPLF leadership should face justice, they have committed, treason and crime to the highest. They have slaughtered their own army and the whole point of this war is they are trying to avoid accountability i.e. the poor kids of Tigray must be wiped out. All of them are over 50 years old, it saddens me to see sacrificing 12-17 years of children. I have no idea why you so-called educated Tigryans won't think and reason is beyond me.

[Abere]

ደብረፅዮን ትሪውንም፤ እንጀራውንም፤ ወጡንም ሳይቀይር ያንኑ የምናውቀውን ነው ያቀረበልን በንግግሩ። የቀየረውም የተቀየረውም አንዳች ነገር የለም።ግን ያልተማሩ ምንም የማያውቁ ትግሬ ወገኖቻችንን ባያስጨርሷቸው መልካም ነው፤ህዝብም በግጭት እና ቂም ውስጥ ባይኖር መልካም ነው። ወያኔዎች ይበቃቸዋል እጃቸውን መስጠትም ለትግራይ እንደ ውለታ ይቆጠራል። Without any shred of doubt the game for TPLF is over, but last minute destructions will hurt Tigray and burn the lasting bridge with the rest of Ethiopians.

they salivate to rule Ethiopia in the same old way they used to.

No one is trying to rule you. Debrezion is saying "አከባቢያችን እናስተዳድራለን፤ አከባቢያቹን አስተዳድሩ። የአገሪቱን ፖለቲካን በሚመለከት፤ ሁሉም የሚመለከተው በሚሳተፍበት የውይይት መድረክ፤ አማራጮችንም ታይተው የተሻለውን አማራጭ ተግባራዊ ለማድረግ ድርሻችን እንወጣለን።"

[Za-Ilmaknun]

War has consequences !! You claimed to have sacrificed 60K lives when you occupied those lands. You are sacrificing 10 fold to lose same lands. You think Germany, or US or UN would save you from the wrath of the people you abused for the last 30 years. Pop that corn looted from Wollo and stay tuned.

[Dawi]

War has consequences !! You claimed to have sacrificed 60K lives when you occupied those lands. You are sacrificing 10 fold to lose same lands. You think Germany, or US or UN would save you from the wrath of the people you abused for the last 30 years. Pop that corn looted from Wollo and stay tuned.

I wish TPLFites be in the front line for the dismantling of the constitution; if they only knew it's not in their interest.

If anything, ethnic federation serves OROMARA more because they're in the majority.

How hard is that to figure out?

Watch how Harmela thinks; it's that easy.

[sarcasm]

Eden,


I am sure Abbiy knows that. It is has to become official.

It is the official government position before and after the war. The Defense Minster said the following after after the start of the war: "ጦርነቱ ክልልን የማስፋት ዓይነት ኣድርጎ የመውሰድ ኣዝማምያዎች ኣሉ። የወሰን ኣካባቢዎች የማስመለስ፤ ኣድርጎ የማቅረብም ሙከራዎች ኣሉ። ይሄም በመሰረቱ ስሕተት ነው። የኣስተዳደር ወሰን ጥያቄ የሚመለስበት ስርዓት ኣለው። ይሄ በግልጽ መታወቅ ኣለበት።" የኢፌዴሪ መከላከያ ሚኒስትር ዶር ቀነአ ያደታ You cannot get clearer and more direct than that!

Check out the Chief of Staff of the Tigray Transitional Administration's interview as well. He stated Abiy's position clearly and he said the president's of Oromia, Afar, Somal, Benshangul and other told hims they are on Tigray's side when it comes to the territorial integrity of Tigray region.

"እኔ ራሴ የአማራ ልዩ ሃይል ከምዕራብ ትግራይ አስወጣቸዋለሁ። ሕወሓትን ስንገጥም እንደተፈጠረው ችግር እንዳይፈጠር፤ systematically እናፍናቸዋለን በቀላል ወጪ" ጠ/ሚ አቢይ

[Sam Ebalalehu]

The ongoing war had changed so much previous assumption. What was said a year ago might not be relevant today. The Amharas have paid dearly for the last twelve months to save Ethiopia while TPLF was doing the opposite. Still I do believe the Ethiopian government will decide one way or another. But to believe the disputed area will be handed to Tigray is to not fully understand what was going on for the last twelve months. Ethiopians were fighting against with home grown enemy backed by Ethiopian foreign enemies. That enemy expecting a reward for playing the fifth columns is as bizarre as it gets.

[Temt]

Dumbo! the whole Africa except Ethiopian boarder is redrawn by the barrel of the gun by the same European that you worship.

Never mind about your silly name-calling, firstly learn how to spell, "border", not "boarder" unless you are one of the useless Agames. Secondly, Ethiopia's borders were also redrawn by the colonialists as defacto.
Western border by the British,
Southern border by the British,
Eastern border by the British and Italians and
Northern border by the French and Italians.
There you have it Mr. ተረት! ተረት! LOL!

[TGAA]

Weyanes cockiness knows no bound-- the boarder was changed willy-nilly way before the weyane made up constitution was ratified , now in weyan's time of defeat, retroactively, gets a constitutional coverage and becomes constitutional boarder. It is only decades of memory how Weyanes looted the land of Welkite and Raya by force and uprooted the rightful residences of the land and brought their highlanders from Adwa and vicinity for settlement.Now what weyanes had done by force got undone by force. America has gotten the message clearly has kept its mouth shut for sometime about so called "western Tigry" here the mature American echo-chamber in Europe Germany has not gotten the memo yet . Soon they will,and drop the welkite issue like a hot potato that it is-- the only worry Europe has is immigrants-- all other issues will be on sideways once the Weyanes demise is ascertained .