Mereja Forum

[temari]

The strategy and leadership of TPLF in the last 3 years can be summed up as a complete failure. Due to TPLF's one bad decision after the other, it brought the destruction of Tigray and untold misery to the people. Instead of evaluating what went wrong, TPLF is still doubling down on the failed path and now is trying to bring back long past glories through a gorilla warfare. This is in my view yet another bad decision that will cost Tigray huge and make Tigray little Somalia for the next at least 20 years. Eritrean forces will stay longer, there will be no election for years, Tigray will be a war zone with zero economic development for the next decades. This is the only result the current moronic decision of TPLF to try a gorilla war will bring to Tigray. The delusion that TPLF/TDF will win a war against two countries is just that, a BIG DELUSION. Even in 20 years from now this delusion will not be reality.

What is the better option for Tigreans?
In my view the better option is to stop all the useless TDF fighting that will lead to nowhere other than giving a pretext for both the Ethiopian and Eritrean governments to let their troops deployed indefinitely and make Tigray a war zone for the decades to come. If the useless fighting stops, then it will be easier to push for the withdrawal of both Ethiopian and Eritrean troops and call for elections. Tigreans should focus on establishing a moderate political party that will prepare itself to win the next Tigray election and take over the administration of Tigray. The withdraw of the armies and controlling of the Tigray administration can be easily achieved in a matter of 1-2 years if Tigreans are smart enough and force TDF to stop its useless fighting. Why make Tigray a war zone for the coming 20 years with no sight for victory when you can achieve the withdrawal of troops and controlling of the administration of Tigray peacefully in matter of short time?

Tigreans please be smart. The TPLF path has only brought misery to Tigray and its people. Why continue with the same failed path? Be wise and try something different.

This video is of course a one sided reporting from a known journalist or more a propagandist but I wanted to post it for Tigreans to see where Tigray will be heading in the next decades with the useless TDF failed strategy that will only give a pretext for both armies to stay longer. Wake up Tigreans, the TDF path will lead to nowhere. Tigray will end up being little Somalia.

[Thomas H]

ተማሪ/ሙዚቃ ,
ብዙ አታጪስ! የምታጬሰውን ቀንስ:: ምድር ላይ ያለው እውነታ ሌላ ነው::

[Abere]

@Thomas H"

-- ተማሪ በደንብ አድርጎ ነው ያብራራልህ። በእውነት እርሱ አይደለም አንተ ነህ ያጨስከው። ይኸ እኮ ማንም ሰው የሆነ ጤናማ ፍጡር የሚረዳው ነገር ነው። አሁን ትግሬ ከጦርነት አንዳች ነገር የሚጠቀምበት የለም - የማሸነፍ ዕድሉም ዜሮ ነው። አንድ ተቃራኒ ቡድን በአንተ የግብ በር ክልል ብቻ ሙሉ ሰዓት የሚጫዎት ከሆነ ያው ጨዋታው አልቋል - በቀላል ምሳሌዊ አማርኛ ለመግለፅ። ሌላው ትግራይ በፊትም ቢሆን ደርግን የጣለው ሌሎች ኢትዮዽያዊያን (በተለይ የወሎ እና ጎንደር አማራ ) እንድሁም ኤርትራ አብረው ስለተዋጉ ነው። አማራ ደርግን እጅግ ይጠላ ነበር ምክያቱን የአማራን መሬት በገጠት ትርፍ ቦታ ደግሞ በከተማ ስለገፈፈ በቀይ ሽብር ለይቶ አማራን በይበልጥ ስለጨረሰ። የጋራ ትግል ነበር ማለት ነው።

--- The best strategy at this time for any wise Tigre is first to stop hostility with Amhara and Eritrea. Stop defaming the Ethiopian defense force. More importantly, Tigre should come out and denounce ethnic federation and ethnic constitution. It is time for Tigres to wave the tricolor Ethiopian lag ( Green- Yellow and Red). Crying and rolling in the streets of Europe and America covered with TPLF's evil flags will further alienate and disgrace Tigres.

Leviticus 19:18 <<You shall not take vengeance or bear a grudge against the sons of your own people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself>>

Don't hate Amhara and Eritrea, your life is dependent on your neighbors as well.

ተማሪ/ሙዚቃ ,
ብዙ አታጪስ! የምታጬሰውን ቀንስ:: ምድር ላይ ያለው እውነታ ሌላ ነው::

[DefendTheTruth]

ተማሪ/ሙዚቃ ,
ብዙ አታጪስ! የምታጬሰውን ቀንስ:: ምድር ላይ ያለው እውነታ ሌላ ነው::

አይ ሰዉዬዉ፣
ተማሪ ቆይቶ ስለገባዉ ነዉ እንዴ? እኔ ኮ ቆየሁ ዶማስ (Domas) ከልኩዋችዉ።
የምገርመዉ ነገር አንድ የተገለጸለት ሰዉ በ ትግራይ ምድር አለመኖሩ ነዉ። እንዴት ሁሉም አንድ ላይ ዶማ ይሆናል?

በሉ ገስግሱ በያዛችሁት መንገድ። መንገዱን ጨርቅ ያርግላችዉ።

ምከረዉ ምከረዉ፣ እንቢ ካለ መከራ ይምከረዉ ብሎዋል የአገሬ ሰዉ።

[Sam Ebalalehu]

That past “ glory” is very much mischaracterized. In fact, the TPLF clearly not knowing how it came to power led to its depressing slow death.

[Blueshift]

Temari,

Good advice, but they will not give up. Guerilla war will push the government to brink of total collapse. The Derg experience provides a good education. If TPLF succeeds to fight effectively, the fragile Ethiopia can completely collapse. But, today, guerilla warfare is far harder to keep fighting than during the Derg era. BTW, if all the atrocities allegedly committed are true, then expect the worst. They won't give up. It will be very difficult for Tigrayans to feel Ethiopians again. Then again, Rwanda survived. who knows ?

[DefendTheTruth]

Temari,

Good advice, but they will not give up. Guerilla war will push the government to brink of total collapse. The Derg experience provides a good education. If TPLF succeeds to fight effectively, the fragile Ethiopia can completely collapse. But, today, guerilla warfare is far harder to keep fighting than during the Derg era. BTW, if all the atrocities allegedly committed are true, then expect the worst. They won't give up. It will be very difficult for Tigrayans to feel Ethiopians again. Then again, Rwanda survived. who knows ?

You tried to analyze and predict what the outcome could be. But to be a serious analyst you should have added the aspect of cause and effect: you should have dared to say what the cause is before trying to lecture us about the atrocities. We all don't want to see an atrocity being committed against anyone, let alone against our own fellow citizens. But in order to condemn the atrocity we should first find out what the cause was.

Could you help us know what the cause of all the atrocities you are talking about was?

[Abere]

Blueshift, you said <<....today, guerilla warfare is far harder to keep fighting than during the Derg era.>>. I would rather say IMPOSSIBLE. It sounds you also kind of sympathizing for TPLF as if their fight has a justified reason. There is no rationale to justify the TPLF's so called guerilla fight. TPLF's agenda is not an Ethiopian agenda, like socialism was not an Ethiopian agenda - that was the opportunity TPLF exploited during its Derg guerilla time. I don't know how many days it take on foot from Mekelle to Addis Ababa may be 15 day, you travel that much length to reach to Addis Ababa, no one even God's bird likes TPLF. So, how can TPLF crawl out of its hiding cave? Everyone identified TPLF as a poisonous snake, you know what snakes encounter if they leave their holes.

It is not a choice that Tigrians should feel Ethiopian again, it is a necessity. They were Ethiopian, they are Ethiopians, and they will be Ethiopians. Just an episode of hostility occurred by historical accident due to the bad seed of TPLF does not mean Tigres are not Ethiopians. Stop fanning what rich TPLF kids say and fume in the big cities of Europe and America. The irony is the Tigary people asked fish (development and food) , TPLF gave them snake for the last 27 years. Sadly, still the head of that snake is living amongst them and spreading falsehood, lie and chaos. Tigres have to wake up - wake up to save and build their country Ethiopia. Tigre without Ethiopia is a fish without water.

Temari,

Good advice, but they will not give up. Guerilla war will push the government to brink of total collapse. The Derg experience provides a good education. If TPLF succeeds to fight effectively, the fragile Ethiopia can completely collapse. But, today, guerilla warfare is far harder to keep fighting than during the Derg era. BTW, if all the atrocities allegedly committed are true, then expect the worst. They won't give up. It will be very difficult for Tigrayans to feel Ethiopians again. Then again, Rwanda survived. who knows ?

[Blueshift]

Defend the lie,

Not just long ago, you used to worship the agames. Now, you are asking cause and effect? The cause is potentially the atrocities committed against the Tigrayan people by their own government. Effect, Tigrayans will fight till they bring down the government that violated their mothers and sisters. That is if the atrocities committed are true. Who wouldn't fight to the end for revenge in that situation.

[DefendTheTruth]

Defend the lie,

Not just long ago, you used to worship the agames. Now, you are asking cause and effect? The cause is potentially the atrocities committed against the Tigrayan people by their own government. Effect, Tigrayans will fight till they bring down the government that violated their mothers and sisters. That is if the atrocities committed are true. Who wouldn't fight to the end for revenge in that situation.

what caused the atrocities that would be revenged, kid?

[temari]

ተማሪ/ሙዚቃ ,
ብዙ አታጪስ! የምታጬሰውን ቀንስ:: ምድር ላይ ያለው እውነታ ሌላ ነው::

Tell me what is the plan? When will TDF be able to control one town? In one year time or may be two? Is that the plan? Surely there is no realistic path for TDF to control Tigray in the next 20 years. So is the goal to make Tigray a war zone for decades? Who's gonna be suffering all those years?

Look, TPLF had a well organized army of 84k fighters and heavy military equipment that it took from ambushing the northern command to the point Debretsion bragged on TV controlling more and better weapons than ENDF. TPLF dug and built concrete trenches and held key positions all over Tigray mountains. Even with all these advantages, it took only 3 weeks for ENDF to storm Mekele. Here we are after 6 months TDF still could not take back one single town or wereda.

Can you give me a reasonable timetable when TDF will be controlling one town let alone Tigray? One town may be after 1 year or 2 years? What is the plan here? Even if TDF succeeded in controlling a town for a brief period we know it can't hold it for long. So what is the goal of fighting when you know very well there is zero chance of winning in a foreseeable future other than turning Tigray into a war zone with no development for decades? Believe me Eritrean troops and Ethiopian troops will be staying for many years to come when the stupid TDF gives them this kind of excuse. The current strategy leads to a dead end for Tigray and turns Tigray into little Somalia. If Tigreans don't care about their region becoming little Somalia then believe me nobody else will care.

[Blueshift]

Defend the lie,
Former agame condom,

The civilian Tigrayans did not commit any crime. The atrocities may have been committed on them by their own government. Scumbag, if this is true, it won't go away.

[Fed_Up]

Defend the lie,

Not just long ago, you used to worship the agames. Now, you are asking cause and effect? The cause is potentially the atrocities committed against the Tigrayan people by their own government. Effect, Tigrayans will fight till they bring down the government that violated their mothers and sisters. That is if the atrocities committed are true. Who wouldn't fight to the end for revenge in that situation.

Dallas hoè
በአንቺ ቤት ኮ ሸውደሽን ሞተሻ:: የሆን ዘንዛራ ሽማግሌ

At least he was honest with his support to your tplf before and whatever he stands with now but you are the village idiot with no shame that you sweat to pass as an Eritrean while your low IQ always playing you who really are. You can’t hide and play it right ዴዴብ. Doma ras agameee

[sun]

Temari,

Good advice, but they will not give up. Guerilla war will push the government to brink of total collapse. The Derg experience provides a good education. If TPLF succeeds to fight effectively, the fragile Ethiopia can completely collapse. But, today, guerilla warfare is far harder to keep fighting than during the Derg era. BTW, if all the atrocities allegedly committed are true, then expect the worst. They won't give up. It will be very difficult for Tigrayans to feel Ethiopians again. Then again, Rwanda survived. who knows ?

Tplf may or may not give up easily due to its minority status which may not assist them in becoming a major local and regional actors like in the past when the national, regional and international environments of the past contributed in helping them generously to achieve the unachievable.

Nostalgia and euphoria of the past still lingers in their mind and keeps pushing them over cliffs just like it did to them when thought that they can make a perfect crime by attacking the Northern Command Military bases completing the whole project in 45 minutes and then after that move through the lands and air like sharp knives moving through [deleted] and then reach Finfinne and capture state power even before any one may have the opportunity to notice anything unusual.

Unfortunately, the times and tides of the last century have changed dramatically even without the knowledge of the tplf who by themselves think that they are the only knowledgeable guerillas. Removing them from power and effectively turning the heat against them and away from the Defense Forces partly testifies to the tplf's outmoded mode of self centered struggle and trying to stick to power by all means possible and at all costs.
The Tigryan people will always feel Ethiopians because they know that they are Ethiopians more than any one else including you. Tplf is confused from its head down to its toe nails because it considers itself Ethiopian only if it has the unquestionable right and unquestionable authority to rule over the Ethiopia State which is now absolutely impossible, to say the least.

We are living in a new era of unity and peace with our neigbours, nations and nationalities which will be developed and cemented in the coming years to make every one healthy, wealthy and happy forever to come.The second great Gold Medal For Peace awaits the Ethiopian PM after we go over the temporary disturbances and implement our GREAT DAM project and Democratic System firm implementation.
"YES WE CAN!"

[Blueshift]

Sun,

I am not Ethiopian. Ethnic cleansing is forbidden according to the UN Protocols. Actually, right now, if Tigrayans decide to seceede from Ethiopia they can provided they can prove it. The UN protoclols and treaties are based on self-determination. Now, What I wrote was that , if the Ethio army committed the attrocities against the Tigrayan people, then I don't see how Tigrayans can see themselves as Ethiopians. They may not want to declare independence for, true or not , they think they own Ethiopian history. Hence, the guerilla fighting will continue. Will they be effective at it, time will tell. But, Ethiopia as fragile as it is, that is the last thing it needs. Forget about the euphoria. That will not last.

[DefendTheTruth]

Defend the lie,
Former agame condom,

The civilian Tigrayans did not commit any crime. The atrocities may have been committed on them by their own government. Scumbag, if this is true, it won't go away.

Now you turned around after I pressed you and said, okay TPLF's act was the cause and then tried to take a cover under civilians, which is usual when the going gets tough.

Did you also hear something called collateral damage? In a war civilians are not the (prime-) target but you can't also ensure that they will not become target by the mere act of war.

The responsibility lies squarely on those who ignited the war for the damages caused on the civilians.

You are such an idiot!

[Blueshift]

Long-time Weyane condom,

Collateral damage is not an excuse for gross atrocities committed on civilians. Raping innocent under-age girls and adult women, is not part of collateral damage.

[DefendTheTruth]

Long-time Weyane condom,

Collateral damage is not an excuse for gross atrocities committed on civilians. Raping innocent under-age girls and adult women, is not part of collateral damage.

Did they also rape you, or the stinky pu**sy of your daughters?

It is a highly militarized war-zone and if you are expecting life as it once used to be, then you are a double idiot.

Blame your own blatant violation of the rule of law, before expecting the law to protect you, you inflamed it and now you have to have it.

[temari]

I've heard Tigreans have started a three day fasting to show their protest and also to make the public aware about the plight of their fellow tigreans. This is a good step in the right direction in my view. Tigreans should organize a grass root opposition party and demand for elections as soon as possible. This will give them the fastest track to bring their region and fate in their own hands. The misguided and outdated strategy of the TPLF old guards who are trying to repeat a long gone old glory is the wrong strategy with zero chance of success other than prolonging the suffering of Tigreans and the "occupation" of Tigray. Tigreans, be wise. You need a new peaceful struggle and path to control your region very fast. Stop following the blind, outdated and brain dead TPLF old guards. Their brain is not up to date to overcome the current challenge.