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EU to strip Ethiopia of its status as a "reform partner."? - Germany lawmaker

Post by sarcasm » 23 Feb 2021, 09:24

German-Ethiopian relations suffer over Tigray

Germany would like a good relationship with Ethiopia, but the Tigray crisis is straining ties. Berlin has relied on diplomacy to push for peace, yet some say that is not enough.

A call from German Chancellor Angela Merkel is bound to be about something important. When she called Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed in early February this year, for example, she stressed how vital it was to find a peaceful resolution to the Tigray conflict, according to her spokesman, Steffen Seibert. The German leader also said civilians caught up in the fighting must receive humanitarian assistance.

Merkel's call was the biggest indication of Germany's concern about the crisis so far, though in late November, just weeks after fighting began, Foreign Minister Heiko Maas met with his counterpart in Berlin to discuss what was happening in Tigray. At the time, Maas called the suffering "shocking" and demanded that "crimes against the civilian population be investigated and those guilty of them held accountable."

Humanitarian catastrophe
None of these appeals has so far helped deescalate the conflict. On the contrary, the situation in the crisis region has deteriorated further. What began in November 2020 as a short military intervention against the Tigray People's Liberation Front (TPLF) has since developed into a protracted regional conflict.

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ZEMEN
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Re: EU to strip Ethiopia of its status as a "reform partner."? - Germany lawmaker

Post by ZEMEN » 23 Feb 2021, 11:36

sarcasm wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 09:24
German-Ethiopian relations suffer over Tigray

Germany would like a good relationship with Ethiopia, but the Tigray crisis is straining ties. Berlin has relied on diplomacy to push for peace, yet some say that is not enough.

A call from German Chancellor Angela Merkel is bound to be about something important. When she called Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed in early February this year, for example, she stressed how vital it was to find a peaceful resolution to the Tigray conflict, according to her spokesman, Steffen Seibert. The German leader also said civilians caught up in the fighting must receive humanitarian assistance.

Merkel's call was the biggest indication of Germany's concern about the crisis so far, though in late November, just weeks after fighting began, Foreign Minister Heiko Maas met with his counterpart in Berlin to discuss what was happening in Tigray. At the time, Maas called the suffering "shocking" and demanded that "crimes against the civilian population be investigated and those guilty of them held accountable."

Humanitarian catastrophe
None of these appeals has so far helped deescalate the conflict. On the contrary, the situation in the crisis region has deteriorated further. What began in November 2020 as a short military intervention against the Tigray People's Liberation Front (TPLF) has since developed into a protracted regional conflict.

Continue reading
So you happy? is what all about? Anyway how much did they withheld from giving to Eritrea? Do you know? point Abiy is following Eritrea and telling to jump in the lake. Isaias told them a long time to shove it to their behind. That is the only out. The reason what they are doing to Ethiopia, Ethiopia started refusing to bend for them. Bending is gone with the werada TPLF.

temari
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Re: EU to strip Ethiopia of its status as a "reform partner."? - Germany lawmaker

Post by temari » 23 Feb 2021, 11:48

ZEMEN, no Ethiopia is not following Eritrea's path. Partnership with EU and USA and other countries is vital for Ethiopia's development and the Abiy government will do everything it can to have good relations with Germany and other western countries. Ethiopia is a big and complex country and can't afford to follow Eritrea's path. That would be suicidal.

sarcasm, I don't think the statement of a member of Germany's Left Party is much of a value. Eva-Maria Schreiber is member of Germany's Left Party that is an opposition party forever (never been in a governing coalition) and currently has less than 10% seats in parliament. The party is an idealist pacifist party which opposes any wars and even wants Germany to exit from NATO. That is why it is not taken seriously and until now no other party wanted to govern with it for being too idealist and not realist.

In my view Germany will not so easily drop Ethiopia from its reform partner status unless PM Abiy's government does willingly go against the democratization process. The election set to be executed soon with EU observers invited, I highly doubt Germany and other western countries will do seriously disturb their current relations with Ethiopia.
sarcasm wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 09:24
German-Ethiopian relations suffer over Tigray

Germany would like a good relationship with Ethiopia, but the Tigray crisis is straining ties. Berlin has relied on diplomacy to push for peace, yet some say that is not enough.

A call from German Chancellor Angela Merkel is bound to be about something important. When she called Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed in early February this year, for example, she stressed how vital it was to find a peaceful resolution to the Tigray conflict, according to her spokesman, Steffen Seibert. The German leader also said civilians caught up in the fighting must receive humanitarian assistance.

Merkel's call was the biggest indication of Germany's concern about the crisis so far, though in late November, just weeks after fighting began, Foreign Minister Heiko Maas met with his counterpart in Berlin to discuss what was happening in Tigray. At the time, Maas called the suffering "shocking" and demanded that "crimes against the civilian population be investigated and those guilty of them held accountable."

Humanitarian catastrophe
None of these appeals has so far helped deescalate the conflict. On the contrary, the situation in the crisis region has deteriorated further. What began in November 2020 as a short military intervention against the Tigray People's Liberation Front (TPLF) has since developed into a protracted regional conflict.

Continue reading

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Re: EU to strip Ethiopia of its status as a "reform partner."? - Germany lawmaker

Post by Lakeshore » 23 Feb 2021, 12:07

Let them do it we already got more than that from the junta loot. Instead of you junta's use, the money let the Germans keep it for themselves. Once we cleaned you out they will come back begging to invest. Do you think they give it for free stupid Agame? No, they have their own interest and trade relation. They want to sell their product here. Especially they want the to enter in the Banking system. It is a bluff for a better deal they do not care about useless agames.

Did you know Hitler gave Ethiopia 10 000 mousier and three airplanes during the second world war so that we can eliminate you,r bands, and Mussolini, even if they signed a non-aggression pact between them? Because Italy took Libya and he was afraid if they win Ethiopia Mussolini will be emboldened and become a problem for Hitler's dominance. It is all about interest and but they do not like bands like you Agames too.


አንግዲህ ያው የሚያዋጣችሁ ወደ ድሮው ሙያችሁ መመለስ ነው ልዋጭ ለዋጭ አና ልመና ለዛውም ጀርባችሁ ተመርምሮ ነው። ሮኬት በኣየነስውር ኣስተኮሳችሁ አናንተ የፈራች ሁትን መከላከያችንን ወልደሰላሴ ኣይነ ሰወር ስለሆነና መሞከሪያ ኣደረጋችሁ ከዋሻው መጀመሪኣ አንዲወጣ ኣድረጋችሁ ኣስገደላችሁት ግፈኞችናችሁ ከዛ ደግሞ ያችን ኣጋሜ ኣሮጊት ዋሻ ውስጥ በሽማግሌው ስብሃት መሸ ነጋ ይደለም ኧስደፍራችሁ ገደል ጣላችሁዋት። ከዛደግሞ በኣወሮፓ አና ኣሜሪካ መንገድ በንጻ አይተንከባለላችሁ ስታጸዱ ከረማችሁ ኣሁን በመጨረሻው ደግሞ ኮሌስትሮላች ሁን ለመቅነስ ረሃብ ኣድማ አያልችሁ ነው አሱም ኣይሰራም የሚቀረው አንግዲህ ወደ ኢትዮጵያ ምጥታችሁ ከሃዲውን ኣጋሜ ሀዝብ አርዱት ተዋጉ ኑና።
በዛውም ፋኖ ፣ መከላከያ ምን ማለት አንደሆነ በደንብ ትማራላች ሁ። በዛውም ልዋጭ ልዋጩ ካዋጥ ተሞክሩታላች ሁ ሌላ አንኩን ጭንቅላት ስለሌለ ለናተ ኣይሆንም።

↩ እኔ እባብ ነኝ።
ሰው ሆይ ተወኝ እንጂ በትግሬ አትመስለኝ
ድንጋይ ተደፍቶብኝ ታጥፌ ባደርኩኝ
ባገኝም ነድፌ ባጣም ተጠቅልየ
ኑሮየን በገፋሁ ጉድጓድ ውስጥ ተጥየ

እንከባበራ!! አትበሉኝ ትግሬ
ማንን ገደልኩና ወንዝ ተሻግሬ??
የትኛውን ብልት በገመድ አስሬ
ጠርሙስ አንጠልጥየ
ጥፍሩን ነቃቅየ
ፂሙን ነጭቼ ነው
ትግሬ የምባለው??
የማንን ደም መጠጥኩ ተከዜን አልፌ
ቅማል ሆኜ ትኋን ከሰው ተለጥፌ ?
እኔ ፎቅ አልሰራሁ ኦሮሞን ዘርፌ
ሳይመቼኝ በኖርኩ እሾህ ብርድ ታቅፌ

እንዴ!!!!

አትበሉኝ ትግሬ
አትጩሁ አስሬ
ህፃን፣ እርጉዝ ሳልል
በስናይፐር የምገል
ሙሽራ፣ ና አሮጊት
ምረሽን በጥይት
አይደለሁም ትግሬ ታጥቦ የማይጠራ
ለማጋጨት ብየ ኦሮሞን ካማራ
የተቆረጠ ጡት ሃውልት የምሰራ

ስርዓት አድርጉ !!!

የኮራሁ እባብ ነኝ ልቤ የጠነባ አይደለሁም ትግሬ
ነቀምት ዩኒቨርሱቲ ካ5ኛ ፎቅ ላይ አማራን ወርውሬ
ፈጥፍጨ ገድየ እሬሳ የምልክ
ኦሮሞ ገደለህ ብየ የማላክክ
የቆሸሽኩ ኋላ ቀር አይደለሁም ትግሬ
በስሜ ምኮራ እፉኝት ነው ዘሬ
እባብ ነው ብሄሬ

ሰው ሆይ ስርአት ያዝ!! እኔ ኩሩ እባብ ነኝ።

አማራን በ ህይወት ገደል ውስጥ ወርውሮ
ኦሮሞ ገደለህ ከሚል በጎን ዞሮ
ሰውን ያክል ፍጡር አርዶ ጫካ ጥሎ
ምንም እንዳልሰማ አንዳላየ መስሎ
አብሮ ከሚአለቅሰው ነጠላ ዘቅዝቆ
እንዴት ከትግሬ ጋር ስሜ ተደባልቆ
ባንድነት ይጠራ
ከ ቆሻሻ ጋራ ?

ኧረረረረ ትግሬ ማ እንዳትሉኝ

ባክሱም ዩኒቨርሲቲ መቀሌ ኮሌጆች
የኦሮሞ አማራን Genius ተማሪወች
በትምርት ጎብዘው ባይምሮ ሲመጥቁ
ተተኪ ሙህራን ለ 2ቱ ክልል እንዳይመረቁ
በጩቤ ወግቼ ቆራርጨ የማርድ
መርዝ ከምግብ ጋር ሰጥቼ ማሳብድ??

ኖ ኖ ኖ ኖ ኖ ኖ ትግሬ አትበሉኝ


አወ፣ አሁንም አቁሙ

የትግሬን ያጋሜን በተንኮል የተላ የበከተ ልብ
ፈፅሞ አያውቀውም ምስኪን ነው እባብ
ስሜን አትመስሉ በ በሰበሰ ህዝብ
ወርቅ ላበደረው ጥይትን በሚያዘንብ
ከቅማል አውጥቶ
ካምበጣ አለያይቶ
ቁርጥ፣ ክትፎ እንጀራ ያበላ ወገኑን
መርዝ በሚያቦካ በትግሬ አትመስሉን
እኛ ኮ እባቦች ነን ዘብሄረ እፉኝት
ትግሬ አትበሉን stop it stop it

ሊገልህ ሲፈልግ ልጅ የሚወልድልህ
ትግሬ ጭቃ ነው እባብ እንዳይመስልህ።
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ZEMEN
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Re: EU to strip Ethiopia of its status as a "reform partner."? - Germany lawmaker

Post by ZEMEN » 23 Feb 2021, 12:09

temari wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 11:48
ZEMEN, no Ethiopia is not following Eritrea's path. Partnership with EU and USA and other countries is vital for Ethiopia's development and the Abiy government will do everything it can to have good relations with Germany and other western countries. Ethiopia is a big and complex country and can't afford to follow Eritrea's path. That would be suicidal.

sarcasm, I don't think the statement of a member of Germany's Left Party is much of a value. Eva-Maria Schreiber is member of Germany's Left Party that is an opposition party forever (never been in a governing coalition) and currently has less than 10% seats in parliament. The party is an idealist pacifist party which opposes any wars and even wants Germany to exit from NATO. That is why it is not taken seriously and until now no other party wanted to govern with it for being too idealist and not realist.

In my view Germany will not so easily drop Ethiopia from its reform partner status unless PM Abiy's government does willingly go against the democratization process. The election set to be executed soon with EU observers invited, I highly doubt Germany and other western countries will do seriously disturb their current relations with Ethiopia.
sarcasm wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 09:24
German-Ethiopian relations suffer over Tigray

Germany would like a good relationship with Ethiopia, but the Tigray crisis is straining ties. Berlin has relied on diplomacy to push for peace, yet some say that is not enough.

A call from German Chancellor Angela Merkel is bound to be about something important. When she called Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed in early February this year, for example, she stressed how vital it was to find a peaceful resolution to the Tigray conflict, according to her spokesman, Steffen Seibert. The German leader also said civilians caught up in the fighting must receive humanitarian assistance.

Merkel's call was the biggest indication of Germany's concern about the crisis so far, though in late November, just weeks after fighting began, Foreign Minister Heiko Maas met with his counterpart in Berlin to discuss what was happening in Tigray. At the time, Maas called the suffering "shocking" and demanded that "crimes against the civilian population be investigated and those guilty of them held accountable."

Humanitarian catastrophe
None of these appeals has so far helped deescalate the conflict. On the contrary, the situation in the crisis region has deteriorated further. What began in November 2020 as a short military intervention against the Tigray People's Liberation Front (TPLF) has since developed into a protracted regional conflict.

Continue reading
I understand your point but I think Ethiopia showing some testicles toward the westerners. Remember when the EU asked unfettered access to Tigrya so they can free and transport the TPLF leadership, Abiy stock to his gun and he said no. That is the first time ever Ethiopia said no to the west. So, from that regard, Ethiopian even fights of the corrupted WHO main man who is trying everything to get the TPLF out of harms way. so, in general, I think Ethiopia is starting the difficult road of recovery, addiction is a treble thing to happen to anyone.

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Re: EU to strip Ethiopia of its status as a "reform partner."? - Germany lawmaker

Post by temari » 23 Feb 2021, 12:24

ZEMEN wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 12:09
temari wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 11:48
ZEMEN, no Ethiopia is not following Eritrea's path. Partnership with EU and USA and other countries is vital for Ethiopia's development and the Abiy government will do everything it can to have good relations with Germany and other western countries. Ethiopia is a big and complex country and can't afford to follow Eritrea's path. That would be suicidal.

sarcasm, I don't think the statement of a member of Germany's Left Party is much of a value. Eva-Maria Schreiber is member of Germany's Left Party that is an opposition party forever (never been in a governing coalition) and currently has less than 10% seats in parliament. The party is an idealist pacifist party which opposes any wars and even wants Germany to exit from NATO. That is why it is not taken seriously and until now no other party wanted to govern with it for being too idealist and not realist.

In my view Germany will not so easily drop Ethiopia from its reform partner status unless PM Abiy's government does willingly go against the democratization process. The election set to be executed soon with EU observers invited, I highly doubt Germany and other western countries will do seriously disturb their current relations with Ethiopia.
sarcasm wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 09:24
German-Ethiopian relations suffer over Tigray

Germany would like a good relationship with Ethiopia, but the Tigray crisis is straining ties. Berlin has relied on diplomacy to push for peace, yet some say that is not enough.

A call from German Chancellor Angela Merkel is bound to be about something important. When she called Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed in early February this year, for example, she stressed how vital it was to find a peaceful resolution to the Tigray conflict, according to her spokesman, Steffen Seibert. The German leader also said civilians caught up in the fighting must receive humanitarian assistance.

Merkel's call was the biggest indication of Germany's concern about the crisis so far, though in late November, just weeks after fighting began, Foreign Minister Heiko Maas met with his counterpart in Berlin to discuss what was happening in Tigray. At the time, Maas called the suffering "shocking" and demanded that "crimes against the civilian population be investigated and those guilty of them held accountable."

Humanitarian catastrophe
None of these appeals has so far helped deescalate the conflict. On the contrary, the situation in the crisis region has deteriorated further. What began in November 2020 as a short military intervention against the Tigray People's Liberation Front (TPLF) has since developed into a protracted regional conflict.

Continue reading
I understand your point but I think Ethiopia showing some testicles toward the westerners. Remember when the EU asked unfettered access to Tigrya so they can free and transport the TPLF leadership, Abiy stock to his gun and he said no. That is the first time ever Ethiopia said no to the west. So, from that regard, Ethiopian even fights of the corrupted WHO main man who is trying everything to get the TPLF out of harms way. so, in general, I think Ethiopia is starting the difficult road of recovery, addiction is a treble thing to happen to anyone.
Zemen, yes I agree Ethiopia said no to some of the western demands but I think that is not the first time. Even under TPLF, Ethiopia sometimes rejected western demands for example in the area of land policy which EPRDF said "only over my dead body" and other economic policies including acquiring huge debt from china which the west disliked the most.

In my view what PM Abiy is doing is based on his conviction and common sense rather than "following Eritrea's path". You have to understand that Ethiopia is a very different country in many ways and the mentality and culture of the Ethiopians is quite different especially when it comes to their relation to their government. What Eritreans have been enduring and to some extent understanding their government will not happen in Ethiopia. Any government that wants to go this route soon will face a strong resistance even from inside the government. Ethiopians, especially the current generation hates enduring for long :lol: . They will follow the government on enduring tour only if it is for a brief period of time but if it becomes longer then they will destroy their government :lol: that is for sure. No government in Ethiopia can afford to follow Eritrea's path unless it is suicidal.

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Re: EU to strip Ethiopia of its status as a "reform partner."? - Germany lawmaker

Post by ZEMEN » 23 Feb 2021, 12:37

temari wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 12:24
ZEMEN wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 12:09
temari wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 11:48
ZEMEN, no Ethiopia is not following Eritrea's path. Partnership with EU and USA and other countries is vital for Ethiopia's development and the Abiy government will do everything it can to have good relations with Germany and other western countries. Ethiopia is a big and complex country and can't afford to follow Eritrea's path. That would be suicidal.

sarcasm, I don't think the statement of a member of Germany's Left Party is much of a value. Eva-Maria Schreiber is member of Germany's Left Party that is an opposition party forever (never been in a governing coalition) and currently has less than 10% seats in parliament. The party is an idealist pacifist party which opposes any wars and even wants Germany to exit from NATO. That is why it is not taken seriously and until now no other party wanted to govern with it for being too idealist and not realist.

In my view Germany will not so easily drop Ethiopia from its reform partner status unless PM Abiy's government does willingly go against the democratization process. The election set to be executed soon with EU observers invited, I highly doubt Germany and other western countries will do seriously disturb their current relations with Ethiopia.
sarcasm wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 09:24
German-Ethiopian relations suffer over Tigray

Germany would like a good relationship with Ethiopia, but the Tigray crisis is straining ties. Berlin has relied on diplomacy to push for peace, yet some say that is not enough.

A call from German Chancellor Angela Merkel is bound to be about something important. When she called Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed in early February this year, for example, she stressed how vital it was to find a peaceful resolution to the Tigray conflict, according to her spokesman, Steffen Seibert. The German leader also said civilians caught up in the fighting must receive humanitarian assistance.

Merkel's call was the biggest indication of Germany's concern about the crisis so far, though in late November, just weeks after fighting began, Foreign Minister Heiko Maas met with his counterpart in Berlin to discuss what was happening in Tigray. At the time, Maas called the suffering "shocking" and demanded that "crimes against the civilian population be investigated and those guilty of them held accountable."

Humanitarian catastrophe
None of these appeals has so far helped deescalate the conflict. On the contrary, the situation in the crisis region has deteriorated further. What began in November 2020 as a short military intervention against the Tigray People's Liberation Front (TPLF) has since developed into a protracted regional conflict.

Continue reading
I understand your point but I think Ethiopia showing some testicles toward the westerners. Remember when the EU asked unfettered access to Tigrya so they can free and transport the TPLF leadership, Abiy stock to his gun and he said no. That is the first time ever Ethiopia said no to the west. So, from that regard, Ethiopian even fights of the corrupted WHO main man who is trying everything to get the TPLF out of harms way. so, in general, I think Ethiopia is starting the difficult road of recovery, addiction is a treble thing to happen to anyone.
Zemen, yes I agree Ethiopia said no to some of the western demands but I think that is not the first time. Even under TPLF, Ethiopia sometimes rejected western demands for example in the area of land policy which EPRDF said "only over my dead body" and other economic policies including acquiring huge debt from china which the west disliked the most.

In my view what PM Abiy is doing is based on his conviction and common sense rather than "following Eritrea's path". You have to understand that Ethiopia is a very different country in many ways and the mentality and culture of the Ethiopians is quite different especially when it comes to their relation to their government. What Eritreans have been enduring and to some extent understanding their government will not happen in Ethiopia. Any government that wants to go this route soon will face a strong resistance even from inside the government. Ethiopians, especially the current generation hates enduring for long :lol: . They will follow the government on enduring tour only if it is for a brief period of time but if it becomes longer then they will destroy their government :lol: that is for sure. No government in Ethiopia can afford to follow Eritrea's path unless it is suicidal.
Temari; again good points! however; at one point Ethiopia needs to get out of this addiction and be a viable state. It is embarrassing to have to be called with water tower of Africa, to have the very fertile land and the 2nd most papules in Africa, to get starve and addicted to Aid is nothing than the lack of leadership and vision. All Ethiopia as to do is, go modern agriculture and feed Africa and the middle east. But you need a leader who has a vision and it does what ever it takes to accomplish his vision. The difference between African leaders and the Eritrean leader is, the Eritrean leader takes where you ought to be while African leaders take where you want to be. that is the difference. People by nature are lazy and you need some one to kick the behind and get it moving. Take Eritrea, to do what they have done, they lost most of the citizens. every able body left the country but The leader didn't fold and didn't gave a flying hoot. that is what exactly needed in Africa, I do believe that. That is the only way out.

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Re: EU to strip Ethiopia of its status as a "reform partner."? - Germany lawmaker

Post by temari » 23 Feb 2021, 12:54

ZEMEN wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 12:37
temari wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 12:24
ZEMEN wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 12:09
temari wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 11:48
ZEMEN, no Ethiopia is not following Eritrea's path. Partnership with EU and USA and other countries is vital for Ethiopia's development and the Abiy government will do everything it can to have good relations with Germany and other western countries. Ethiopia is a big and complex country and can't afford to follow Eritrea's path. That would be suicidal.

sarcasm, I don't think the statement of a member of Germany's Left Party is much of a value. Eva-Maria Schreiber is member of Germany's Left Party that is an opposition party forever (never been in a governing coalition) and currently has less than 10% seats in parliament. The party is an idealist pacifist party which opposes any wars and even wants Germany to exit from NATO. That is why it is not taken seriously and until now no other party wanted to govern with it for being too idealist and not realist.

In my view Germany will not so easily drop Ethiopia from its reform partner status unless PM Abiy's government does willingly go against the democratization process. The election set to be executed soon with EU observers invited, I highly doubt Germany and other western countries will do seriously disturb their current relations with Ethiopia.
sarcasm wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 09:24
German-Ethiopian relations suffer over Tigray

Germany would like a good relationship with Ethiopia, but the Tigray crisis is straining ties. Berlin has relied on diplomacy to push for peace, yet some say that is not enough.

A call from German Chancellor Angela Merkel is bound to be about something important. When she called Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed in early February this year, for example, she stressed how vital it was to find a peaceful resolution to the Tigray conflict, according to her spokesman, Steffen Seibert. The German leader also said civilians caught up in the fighting must receive humanitarian assistance.

Merkel's call was the biggest indication of Germany's concern about the crisis so far, though in late November, just weeks after fighting began, Foreign Minister Heiko Maas met with his counterpart in Berlin to discuss what was happening in Tigray. At the time, Maas called the suffering "shocking" and demanded that "crimes against the civilian population be investigated and those guilty of them held accountable."

Humanitarian catastrophe
None of these appeals has so far helped deescalate the conflict. On the contrary, the situation in the crisis region has deteriorated further. What began in November 2020 as a short military intervention against the Tigray People's Liberation Front (TPLF) has since developed into a protracted regional conflict.

Continue reading
I understand your point but I think Ethiopia showing some testicles toward the westerners. Remember when the EU asked unfettered access to Tigrya so they can free and transport the TPLF leadership, Abiy stock to his gun and he said no. That is the first time ever Ethiopia said no to the west. So, from that regard, Ethiopian even fights of the corrupted WHO main man who is trying everything to get the TPLF out of harms way. so, in general, I think Ethiopia is starting the difficult road of recovery, addiction is a treble thing to happen to anyone.
Zemen, yes I agree Ethiopia said no to some of the western demands but I think that is not the first time. Even under TPLF, Ethiopia sometimes rejected western demands for example in the area of land policy which EPRDF said "only over my dead body" and other economic policies including acquiring huge debt from china which the west disliked the most.

In my view what PM Abiy is doing is based on his conviction and common sense rather than "following Eritrea's path". You have to understand that Ethiopia is a very different country in many ways and the mentality and culture of the Ethiopians is quite different especially when it comes to their relation to their government. What Eritreans have been enduring and to some extent understanding their government will not happen in Ethiopia. Any government that wants to go this route soon will face a strong resistance even from inside the government. Ethiopians, especially the current generation hates enduring for long :lol: . They will follow the government on enduring tour only if it is for a brief period of time but if it becomes longer then they will destroy their government :lol: that is for sure. No government in Ethiopia can afford to follow Eritrea's path unless it is suicidal.
Temari; again good points! however; at one point Ethiopia needs to get out of this addiction and be a viable state. It is embarrassing to have to be called with water tower of Africa, to have the very fertile land and the 2nd most papules in Africa, to get starve and addicted to Aid is nothing than the lack of leadership and vision. All Ethiopia as to do is, go modern agriculture and feed Africa and the middle east. But you need a leader who has a vision and it does what ever it takes to accomplish his vision. The difference between African leaders and the Eritrean leader is, the Eritrean leader takes where you ought to be while African leaders take where you want to be. that is the difference. People by nature are lazy and you need some one to kick the behind and get it moving. Take Eritrea, to do what they have done, they lost most of the citizens. every able body left the country but The leader didn't fold and didn't gave a flying hoot. that is what exactly needed in Africa, I do believe that. That is the only way out.
Zemen, honestly I am not convinced that the Eritrean path will also work for Ethiopia. I think what we have with PM Abiy is what we need. PM Abiy is way more friendly to the private sector and foreign investment and that is what we need in the coming years. Yes, Ethiopia has many resources and has also many problems but you have to acknowledge also that we are making gains in many development sectors including pulling people out of poverty. This must continue but in a very fast pace. More private business, more ease of business, less bureaucracy, more foreign investment and cooperation with western countries and companies in many sectors is need.

I don't think isolation will help Ethiopia at all. Ethiopia and Eritrea are just different countries with different mentality and history in relations to our respective governments and should recognize that and don't try to implement the system of the other country. If the Eritrean system works for you that is fine but it will definitely will not work for Ethiopia that is for sure and even if the government wants to implement it, it will not be able to do so for lack of public support. As I said that will be a fast suicidal.

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Re: EU to strip Ethiopia of its status as a "reform partner."? - Germany lawmaker

Post by ZEMEN » 23 Feb 2021, 13:28

temari wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 12:54
ZEMEN wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 12:37
temari wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 12:24
ZEMEN wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 12:09
temari wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 11:48
ZEMEN, no Ethiopia is not following Eritrea's path. Partnership with EU and USA and other countries is vital for Ethiopia's development and the Abiy government will do everything it can to have good relations with Germany and other western countries. Ethiopia is a big and complex country and can't afford to follow Eritrea's path. That would be suicidal.

sarcasm, I don't think the statement of a member of Germany's Left Party is much of a value. Eva-Maria Schreiber is member of Germany's Left Party that is an opposition party forever (never been in a governing coalition) and currently has less than 10% seats in parliament. The party is an idealist pacifist party which opposes any wars and even wants Germany to exit from NATO. That is why it is not taken seriously and until now no other party wanted to govern with it for being too idealist and not realist.

In my view Germany will not so easily drop Ethiopia from its reform partner status unless PM Abiy's government does willingly go against the democratization process. The election set to be executed soon with EU observers invited, I highly doubt Germany and other western countries will do seriously disturb their current relations with Ethiopia.
sarcasm wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 09:24
German-Ethiopian relations suffer over Tigray

Germany would like a good relationship with Ethiopia, but the Tigray crisis is straining ties. Berlin has relied on diplomacy to push for peace, yet some say that is not enough.

A call from German Chancellor Angela Merkel is bound to be about something important. When she called Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed in early February this year, for example, she stressed how vital it was to find a peaceful resolution to the Tigray conflict, according to her spokesman, Steffen Seibert. The German leader also said civilians caught up in the fighting must receive humanitarian assistance.

Merkel's call was the biggest indication of Germany's concern about the crisis so far, though in late November, just weeks after fighting began, Foreign Minister Heiko Maas met with his counterpart in Berlin to discuss what was happening in Tigray. At the time, Maas called the suffering "shocking" and demanded that "crimes against the civilian population be investigated and those guilty of them held accountable."

Humanitarian catastrophe
None of these appeals has so far helped deescalate the conflict. On the contrary, the situation in the crisis region has deteriorated further. What began in November 2020 as a short military intervention against the Tigray People's Liberation Front (TPLF) has since developed into a protracted regional conflict.

Continue reading
I understand your point but I think Ethiopia showing some testicles toward the westerners. Remember when the EU asked unfettered access to Tigrya so they can free and transport the TPLF leadership, Abiy stock to his gun and he said no. That is the first time ever Ethiopia said no to the west. So, from that regard, Ethiopian even fights of the corrupted WHO main man who is trying everything to get the TPLF out of harms way. so, in general, I think Ethiopia is starting the difficult road of recovery, addiction is a treble thing to happen to anyone.
Zemen, yes I agree Ethiopia said no to some of the western demands but I think that is not the first time. Even under TPLF, Ethiopia sometimes rejected western demands for example in the area of land policy which EPRDF said "only over my dead body" and other economic policies including acquiring huge debt from china which the west disliked the most.

In my view what PM Abiy is doing is based on his conviction and common sense rather than "following Eritrea's path". You have to understand that Ethiopia is a very different country in many ways and the mentality and culture of the Ethiopians is quite different especially when it comes to their relation to their government. What Eritreans have been enduring and to some extent understanding their government will not happen in Ethiopia. Any government that wants to go this route soon will face a strong resistance even from inside the government. Ethiopians, especially the current generation hates enduring for long :lol: . They will follow the government on enduring tour only if it is for a brief period of time but if it becomes longer then they will destroy their government :lol: that is for sure. No government in Ethiopia can afford to follow Eritrea's path unless it is suicidal.
Temari; again good points! however; at one point Ethiopia needs to get out of this addiction and be a viable state. It is embarrassing to have to be called with water tower of Africa, to have the very fertile land and the 2nd most papules in Africa, to get starve and addicted to Aid is nothing than the lack of leadership and vision. All Ethiopia as to do is, go modern agriculture and feed Africa and the middle east. But you need a leader who has a vision and it does what ever it takes to accomplish his vision. The difference between African leaders and the Eritrean leader is, the Eritrean leader takes where you ought to be while African leaders take where you want to be. that is the difference. People by nature are lazy and you need some one to kick the behind and get it moving. Take Eritrea, to do what they have done, they lost most of the citizens. every able body left the country but The leader didn't fold and didn't gave a flying hoot. that is what exactly needed in Africa, I do believe that. That is the only way out.
Zemen, honestly I am not convinced that the Eritrean path will also work for Ethiopia. I think what we have with PM Abiy is what we need. PM Abiy is way more friendly to the private sector and foreign investment and that is what we need in the coming years. Yes, Ethiopia has many resources and has also many problems but you have to acknowledge also that we are making gains in many development sectors including pulling people out of poverty. This must continue but in a very fast pace. More private business, more ease of business, less bureaucracy, more foreign investment and cooperation with western countries and companies in many sectors is need.

I don't think isolation will help Ethiopia at all. Ethiopia and Eritrea are just different countries with different mentality and history in relations to our respective governments and should recognize that and don't try to implement the system of the other country. If the Eritrean system works for you that is fine but it will definitely will not work for Ethiopia that is for sure and even if the government wants to implement it, it will not be able to do so for lack of public support. As I said that will be a fast suicidal.
Temari; you said " we are making gains in many development sectors including pulling people out of poverty." I disagree my friend. Not only Aid will never pulls you out poverty but it puts you in poverty. Thinks about that for a second. You can't coma up with a single country in the world that defeated poverty with Aid, never! go search. So, I do agree about Abiy. I hope will be elect fairly and squarely. I can tell you right now when and if Abiy wins, some will come out shouting rigged, stolen and embezzled what have you. But for the sake of the country I hope Abiy wins. He will be great for the country. And I expect he will learn more and correct his shortcomings. So far from I see, his government is sloppy and he needs to clean his house. To get back my My point; we need to start the journey of self actualization and self reliance. Aid is a crippling and debilitating disease needs to be faced. And I call for all Ethiopians to fight this ugly enemy of the people.

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Re: EU to strip Ethiopia of its status as a "reform partner."? - Germany lawmaker

Post by temari » 23 Feb 2021, 13:44

ZEMEN wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 13:28
temari wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 12:54
ZEMEN wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 12:37
temari wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 12:24
ZEMEN wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 12:09
temari wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 11:48
ZEMEN, no Ethiopia is not following Eritrea's path. Partnership with EU and USA and other countries is vital for Ethiopia's development and the Abiy government will do everything it can to have good relations with Germany and other western countries. Ethiopia is a big and complex country and can't afford to follow Eritrea's path. That would be suicidal.

sarcasm, I don't think the statement of a member of Germany's Left Party is much of a value. Eva-Maria Schreiber is member of Germany's Left Party that is an opposition party forever (never been in a governing coalition) and currently has less than 10% seats in parliament. The party is an idealist pacifist party which opposes any wars and even wants Germany to exit from NATO. That is why it is not taken seriously and until now no other party wanted to govern with it for being too idealist and not realist.

In my view Germany will not so easily drop Ethiopia from its reform partner status unless PM Abiy's government does willingly go against the democratization process. The election set to be executed soon with EU observers invited, I highly doubt Germany and other western countries will do seriously disturb their current relations with Ethiopia.

I understand your point but I think Ethiopia showing some testicles toward the westerners. Remember when the EU asked unfettered access to Tigrya so they can free and transport the TPLF leadership, Abiy stock to his gun and he said no. That is the first time ever Ethiopia said no to the west. So, from that regard, Ethiopian even fights of the corrupted WHO main man who is trying everything to get the TPLF out of harms way. so, in general, I think Ethiopia is starting the difficult road of recovery, addiction is a treble thing to happen to anyone.
Zemen, yes I agree Ethiopia said no to some of the western demands but I think that is not the first time. Even under TPLF, Ethiopia sometimes rejected western demands for example in the area of land policy which EPRDF said "only over my dead body" and other economic policies including acquiring huge debt from china which the west disliked the most.

In my view what PM Abiy is doing is based on his conviction and common sense rather than "following Eritrea's path". You have to understand that Ethiopia is a very different country in many ways and the mentality and culture of the Ethiopians is quite different especially when it comes to their relation to their government. What Eritreans have been enduring and to some extent understanding their government will not happen in Ethiopia. Any government that wants to go this route soon will face a strong resistance even from inside the government. Ethiopians, especially the current generation hates enduring for long :lol: . They will follow the government on enduring tour only if it is for a brief period of time but if it becomes longer then they will destroy their government :lol: that is for sure. No government in Ethiopia can afford to follow Eritrea's path unless it is suicidal.
Temari; again good points! however; at one point Ethiopia needs to get out of this addiction and be a viable state. It is embarrassing to have to be called with water tower of Africa, to have the very fertile land and the 2nd most papules in Africa, to get starve and addicted to Aid is nothing than the lack of leadership and vision. All Ethiopia as to do is, go modern agriculture and feed Africa and the middle east. But you need a leader who has a vision and it does what ever it takes to accomplish his vision. The difference between African leaders and the Eritrean leader is, the Eritrean leader takes where you ought to be while African leaders take where you want to be. that is the difference. People by nature are lazy and you need some one to kick the behind and get it moving. Take Eritrea, to do what they have done, they lost most of the citizens. every able body left the country but The leader didn't fold and didn't gave a flying hoot. that is what exactly needed in Africa, I do believe that. That is the only way out.
Zemen, honestly I am not convinced that the Eritrean path will also work for Ethiopia. I think what we have with PM Abiy is what we need. PM Abiy is way more friendly to the private sector and foreign investment and that is what we need in the coming years. Yes, Ethiopia has many resources and has also many problems but you have to acknowledge also that we are making gains in many development sectors including pulling people out of poverty. This must continue but in a very fast pace. More private business, more ease of business, less bureaucracy, more foreign investment and cooperation with western countries and companies in many sectors is need.

I don't think isolation will help Ethiopia at all. Ethiopia and Eritrea are just different countries with different mentality and history in relations to our respective governments and should recognize that and don't try to implement the system of the other country. If the Eritrean system works for you that is fine but it will definitely will not work for Ethiopia that is for sure and even if the government wants to implement it, it will not be able to do so for lack of public support. As I said that will be a fast suicidal.
Temari; you said " we are making gains in many development sectors including pulling people out of poverty." I disagree my friend. Not only Aid will never pulls you out poverty but it puts you in poverty. Thinks about that for a second. You can't coma up with a single country in the world that defeated poverty with Aid, never! go search. So, I do agree about Abiy. I hope will be elect fairly and squarely. I can tell you right now when and if Abiy wins, some will come out shouting rigged, stolen and embezzled what have you. But for the sake of the country I hope Abiy wins. He will be great for the country. And I expect he will learn more and correct his shortcomings. So far from I see, his government is sloppy and he needs to clean his house. To get back my My point; we need to start the journey of self actualization and self reliance. Aid is a crippling and debilitating disease needs to be faced. And I call for all Ethiopians to fight this ugly enemy of the people.
Zemen, I feel you are not reading my reply and are putting words in my mouth. Where did I say anything about aid? I talked about private business and opening up for foreign investment. Read again. That Ethiopia is pulling millions out of poverty is undeniable FACT that could be also seen and touched on the ground.

Anyway, I don’t think you will be successful in convincing any Ethiopian that Ethiopia should follow the Eritrean path. That is a dead end brother but thanks for your concern though.

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Re: EU to strip Ethiopia of its status as a "reform partner."? - Germany lawmaker

Post by ZEMEN » 23 Feb 2021, 14:09

temari wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 13:44
ZEMEN wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 13:28
temari wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 12:54
ZEMEN wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 12:37
temari wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 12:24
ZEMEN wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 12:09

I understand your point but I think Ethiopia showing some testicles toward the westerners. Remember when the EU asked unfettered access to Tigrya so they can free and transport the TPLF leadership, Abiy stock to his gun and he said no. That is the first time ever Ethiopia said no to the west. So, from that regard, Ethiopian even fights of the corrupted WHO main man who is trying everything to get the TPLF out of harms way. so, in general, I think Ethiopia is starting the difficult road of recovery, addiction is a treble thing to happen to anyone.
Zemen, yes I agree Ethiopia said no to some of the western demands but I think that is not the first time. Even under TPLF, Ethiopia sometimes rejected western demands for example in the area of land policy which EPRDF said "only over my dead body" and other economic policies including acquiring huge debt from china which the west disliked the most.

In my view what PM Abiy is doing is based on his conviction and common sense rather than "following Eritrea's path". You have to understand that Ethiopia is a very different country in many ways and the mentality and culture of the Ethiopians is quite different especially when it comes to their relation to their government. What Eritreans have been enduring and to some extent understanding their government will not happen in Ethiopia. Any government that wants to go this route soon will face a strong resistance even from inside the government. Ethiopians, especially the current generation hates enduring for long :lol: . They will follow the government on enduring tour only if it is for a brief period of time but if it becomes longer then they will destroy their government :lol: that is for sure. No government in Ethiopia can afford to follow Eritrea's path unless it is suicidal.
Temari; again good points! however; at one point Ethiopia needs to get out of this addiction and be a viable state. It is embarrassing to have to be called with water tower of Africa, to have the very fertile land and the 2nd most papules in Africa, to get starve and addicted to Aid is nothing than the lack of leadership and vision. All Ethiopia as to do is, go modern agriculture and feed Africa and the middle east. But you need a leader who has a vision and it does what ever it takes to accomplish his vision. The difference between African leaders and the Eritrean leader is, the Eritrean leader takes where you ought to be while African leaders take where you want to be. that is the difference. People by nature are lazy and you need some one to kick the behind and get it moving. Take Eritrea, to do what they have done, they lost most of the citizens. every able body left the country but The leader didn't fold and didn't gave a flying hoot. that is what exactly needed in Africa, I do believe that. That is the only way out.
Zemen, honestly I am not convinced that the Eritrean path will also work for Ethiopia. I think what we have with PM Abiy is what we need. PM Abiy is way more friendly to the private sector and foreign investment and that is what we need in the coming years. Yes, Ethiopia has many resources and has also many problems but you have to acknowledge also that we are making gains in many development sectors including pulling people out of poverty. This must continue but in a very fast pace. More private business, more ease of business, less bureaucracy, more foreign investment and cooperation with western countries and companies in many sectors is need.

I don't think isolation will help Ethiopia at all. Ethiopia and Eritrea are just different countries with different mentality and history in relations to our respective governments and should recognize that and don't try to implement the system of the other country. If the Eritrean system works for you that is fine but it will definitely will not work for Ethiopia that is for sure and even if the government wants to implement it, it will not be able to do so for lack of public support. As I said that will be a fast suicidal.
Temari; you said " we are making gains in many development sectors including pulling people out of poverty." I disagree my friend. Not only Aid will never pulls you out poverty but it puts you in poverty. Thinks about that for a second. You can't coma up with a single country in the world that defeated poverty with Aid, never! go search. So, I do agree about Abiy. I hope will be elect fairly and squarely. I can tell you right now when and if Abiy wins, some will come out shouting rigged, stolen and embezzled what have you. But for the sake of the country I hope Abiy wins. He will be great for the country. And I expect he will learn more and correct his shortcomings. So far from I see, his government is sloppy and he needs to clean his house. To get back my My point; we need to start the journey of self actualization and self reliance. Aid is a crippling and debilitating disease needs to be faced. And I call for all Ethiopians to fight this ugly enemy of the people.
Zemen, I feel you are not reading my reply and are putting words in my mouth. Where did I say anything about aid? I talked about private business and opening up for foreign investment. Read again. That Ethiopia is pulling millions out of poverty is undeniable FACT that could be also seen and touched on the ground.

Anyway, I don’t think you will be successful in convincing any Ethiopian that Ethiopia should follow the Eritrean path. That is a dead end brother but thanks for your concern though.
Temari; when you said " I talked about private business and opening up for foreign investment" how do you to private business and opening up for foreign investments? How? what your economic front? Right now For Ethiopia the economic fronts are Aid and loans and i suggest you better educated yourself about loans and Aids. World bank and the IMF are the most evil organizations who existed. Now, how are going to pull people from poverty, building private business and foreign investment; how sir? you can talk have to explain how you would do that. Sooner or latter the painful road of cleansing must started.

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Re: EU to strip Ethiopia of its status as a "reform partner."? - Germany lawmaker

Post by temari » 23 Feb 2021, 15:33

ZEMEN wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 14:09
Temari; when you said " I talked about private business and opening up for foreign investment" how do you to private business and opening up for foreign investments? How? what your economic front? Right now For Ethiopia the economic fronts are Aid and loans and i suggest you better educated yourself about loans and Aids. World bank and the IMF are the most evil organizations who existed. Now, how are going to pull people from poverty, building private business and foreign investment; how sir? you can talk have to explain how you would do that. Sooner or latter the painful road of cleansing must started.
Zemen, I don't know if I understood you correctly but I will try to explain anyways. I think you are mixing things a little bit. Yes the government gets loans and development aid (which even china got until recently) but that is not what I'm talking about. I am talking about private entrepreneurship i.e. creating jobs. A private person has an idea to start a company and gets capital from banks or from his family and starts a business. His business flourishes and he can hire many employees. The employees who were without job have now salary and can now improve their lives by sending their kids to better schools etc. They can save their money and buy a condominium etc. One private company can improve the living standard of many. That is how the world of business works. The job of the government is to make it easier for those entrepreneurs to create as many jobs possible.

When it comes to foreign investment, I can give you many examples like the flower industry in Ethiopia that enabled Ethiopia to earn hundreds of millions of foreign currency and create many jobs. Al Amudi's MIDROC group for example alone runs over 70 companies enabling thousands of Ethiopians to have an income and improve their livelihood. Turkey invested over 2,4 billion USD in Ethiopia especially in the textile sector thereby hiring many Ethiopians. Foreign companies also bring expertise and new way of doing business and also technology.

In addition to jobs, corona crisis also showed us that private companies in Ethiopia were able to produce all the needed sanitizer, face masks etc. locally.

The local and foreign companies also pay taxes to the government enabling the government to invest in infrastructure like roads, universities and basic services. The budget of the government raises every year and it is collecting more money every year. I think its budget stands now at around 400 billion Birr.

Economy is mostly about jobs and that can only be created by private entrepreneurs. That is what I mean when I say private business and foreign investment. This is how the world works and developed.

A government must see opportunity in dealing with foreign investors and not only fix its eyes on risks. Business is all about taking risks while knowing very well the downside. If you are not ready to take risks then there is no business everything is dead. We have to open up for foreign investment especially in the banking sector. Foreign investment needs international banking service. Opening up, taking risks and doing business while reducing the down side is the way to go. Isolation for Ethiopia means poverty, dictatorship and instability.

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Post by Aurorae Borealis » 23 Feb 2021, 16:19

Zemen,

The so called Eritrean way has led Eritrea to be one of the very poorest countries in the world. The population has dwindled from 6 mil to 3.6 mil. No transparency no freedom whatever. Temari is being nice here. What is good about dictatorship ? Abbiy is looking at a big picture. Take it or leave it, he wants something from Eritrea. So far, he has gotten plenty. The whole world knows that a one man show for the so-called independence only brings misery.

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Post by ZEMEN » 23 Feb 2021, 16:44

Aurorae Borealis wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 16:19
Zemen,

The so called Eritrean way has led Eritrea to be one of the very poorest countries in the world. The population has dwindled from 6 mil to 3.6 mil. No transparency no freedom whatever. Temari is being nice here. What is good about dictatorship ? Abbiy is looking at a big picture. Take it or leave it, he wants something from Eritrea. So far, he has gotten plenty. The whole world knows that a one man show for the so-called independence only brings misery.
Auroae; one thing about us, Africans are, we are good at leaving to better countries but we refuse to pay the price ti make your own country to better. Every nation has to pass through gut ranching hard times to make their country where they are now, we Africans, with a slave mind
we refused to put 0.1% energy what we give to whites. So, my friend, you can lough at Eritrea now, but just watch. They are doing the right thing, yes, people left, yes they were in sanction almost for a decade, yes TPLF was hassling them, yes they were Isolated, yes, yes, mention anything you won't. BUT but but when it comes to pull and bush, when TPLF attacked the Ethiopian NC, who came swinging with full force. Where do they come from? Every TPLF told us, every one left the country, there is no army, if we want to, we will capture the whole Eritrea in " few hours" then the BOOOOM happened, the same people told us that 42 Eritrea divisions that armed with sophisticate weapons are killing Tigray and so on and so on. Where did it come from? The Eritreans leaned to no one and stood by themselves and win or lose, they have no one to blame. Funny they won. my point? whenever you take it upon yourself and stand up for yourself, you will win or you die, but you e=will never be humiliated.

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Post by AbyssiniaLady » 23 Feb 2021, 16:46

Both the EU and the US are stepping up pressure on Ethiopia to cut trade and diplomatic ties with China, It has nothing to do with Tigray conflict, Tigray is just a pretext for the West to go against the government of Ethiopia.

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Post by ZEMEN » 23 Feb 2021, 17:00

temari wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 15:33
ZEMEN wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 14:09
Temari; when you said " I talked about private business and opening up for foreign investment" how do you to private business and opening up for foreign investments? How? what your economic front? Right now For Ethiopia the economic fronts are Aid and loans and i suggest you better educated yourself about loans and Aids. World bank and the IMF are the most evil organizations who existed. Now, how are going to pull people from poverty, building private business and foreign investment; how sir? you can talk have to explain how you would do that. Sooner or latter the painful road of cleansing must started.
Zemen, I don't know if I understood you correctly but I will try to explain anyways. I think you are mixing things a little bit. Yes the government gets loans and development aid (which even china got until recently) but that is not what I'm talking about. I am talking about private entrepreneurship i.e. creating jobs. A private person has an idea to start a company and gets capital from banks or from his family and starts a business. His business flourishes and he can hire many employees. The employees who were without job have now salary and can now improve their lives by sending their kids to better schools etc. They can save their money and buy a condominium etc. One private company can improve the living standard of many. That is how the world of business works. The job of the government is to make it easier for those entrepreneurs to create as many jobs possible.

When it comes to foreign investment, I can give you many examples like the flower industry in Ethiopia that enabled Ethiopia to earn hundreds of millions of foreign currency and create many jobs. Al Amudi's MIDROC group for example alone runs over 70 companies enabling thousands of Ethiopians to have an income and improve their livelihood. Turkey invested over 2,4 billion USD in Ethiopia especially in the textile sector thereby hiring many Ethiopians. Foreign companies also bring expertise and new way of doing business and also technology.

In addition to jobs, corona crisis also showed us that private companies in Ethiopia were able to produce all the needed sanitizer, face masks etc. locally.

The local and foreign companies also pay taxes to the government enabling the government to invest in infrastructure like roads, universities and basic services. The budget of the government raises every year and it is collecting more money every year. I think its budget stands now at around 400 billion Birr.

Economy is mostly about jobs and that can only be created by private entrepreneurs. That is what I mean when I say private business and foreign investment. This is how the world works and developed.

A government must see opportunity in dealing with foreign investors and not only fix its eyes on risks. Business is all about taking risks while knowing very well the downside. If you are not ready to take risks then there is no business everything is dead. We have to open up for foreign investment especially in the banking sector. Foreign investment needs international banking service. Opening up, taking risks and doing business while reducing the down side is the way to go. Isolation for Ethiopia means poverty, dictatorship and instability.
Temari; i got you. the only difference is you are proposing an imaginary plan of prosperity. You are talking about foreign investors, bossiness structures but i am asking how? If Ethiopia had Oil, diamonds or Uranium but exporting 100 kuntal cofee is not going to do it. Again Temari, you have a good vision but you lacked the resources to carry out your vision, so it is just a dream.

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Post by temari » 23 Feb 2021, 17:11

ZEMEN wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 17:00
temari wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 15:33
ZEMEN wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 14:09
Temari; when you said " I talked about private business and opening up for foreign investment" how do you to private business and opening up for foreign investments? How? what your economic front? Right now For Ethiopia the economic fronts are Aid and loans and i suggest you better educated yourself about loans and Aids. World bank and the IMF are the most evil organizations who existed. Now, how are going to pull people from poverty, building private business and foreign investment; how sir? you can talk have to explain how you would do that. Sooner or latter the painful road of cleansing must started.
Zemen, I don't know if I understood you correctly but I will try to explain anyways. I think you are mixing things a little bit. Yes the government gets loans and development aid (which even china got until recently) but that is not what I'm talking about. I am talking about private entrepreneurship i.e. creating jobs. A private person has an idea to start a company and gets capital from banks or from his family and starts a business. His business flourishes and he can hire many employees. The employees who were without job have now salary and can now improve their lives by sending their kids to better schools etc. They can save their money and buy a condominium etc. One private company can improve the living standard of many. That is how the world of business works. The job of the government is to make it easier for those entrepreneurs to create as many jobs possible.

When it comes to foreign investment, I can give you many examples like the flower industry in Ethiopia that enabled Ethiopia to earn hundreds of millions of foreign currency and create many jobs. Al Amudi's MIDROC group for example alone runs over 70 companies enabling thousands of Ethiopians to have an income and improve their livelihood. Turkey invested over 2,4 billion USD in Ethiopia especially in the textile sector thereby hiring many Ethiopians. Foreign companies also bring expertise and new way of doing business and also technology.

In addition to jobs, corona crisis also showed us that private companies in Ethiopia were able to produce all the needed sanitizer, face masks etc. locally.

The local and foreign companies also pay taxes to the government enabling the government to invest in infrastructure like roads, universities and basic services. The budget of the government raises every year and it is collecting more money every year. I think its budget stands now at around 400 billion Birr.

Economy is mostly about jobs and that can only be created by private entrepreneurs. That is what I mean when I say private business and foreign investment. This is how the world works and developed.

A government must see opportunity in dealing with foreign investors and not only fix its eyes on risks. Business is all about taking risks while knowing very well the downside. If you are not ready to take risks then there is no business everything is dead. We have to open up for foreign investment especially in the banking sector. Foreign investment needs international banking service. Opening up, taking risks and doing business while reducing the down side is the way to go. Isolation for Ethiopia means poverty, dictatorship and instability.
Temari; i got you. the only difference is you are proposing an imaginary plan of prosperity. You are talking about foreign investors, bossiness structures but i am asking how? If Ethiopia had Oil, diamonds or Uranium but exporting 100 kuntal cofee is not going to do it. Again Temari, you have a good vision but you lacked the resources to carry out your vision, so it is just a dream.
Zemen, oil and coffee is need to earning foreign currency and that is vital for the economy but there are millions of jobs that are not directly related to foreign currency. For example private banks and private insurance companies and many other fields in the service sector create many jobs and most of them are not highly dependent on foreign currency but on private savings. These banks create many jobs and also give out loans for private business to create even more jobs. You can't wait idle until you somehow get oil. Instead you try to create jobs and if possible to help companies export more goods to earn more hard currency. It is all up to how you handle the private sector and how the government is friendly to business both to local and foreign.

Foreign currency is also needed to import machinery to factories. Every factory needs machines and these need to be imported. That is also where you need development partners like the IMF and World bank. I know they are not angles but you have to know how to navigate through the system just like the Asians are doing. This is the world we are living and we must learn to navigate through and exploit the system until we be able to earn enough foreign currency for our needs. But currently, we need western development partners to meet our current foreign currency shortcomings.

I think practicality and pragmatism is what is needed not ideology. That is why I like PM Abiy. He is more of a pragmatic guy not so much an ideology person. Test it and if it works that is fine but if not change it. Don't stick to a system that is broken and doesn't work just because of your ideological beliefs. Ethiopia needs practical, pragmatic and flexible governments not ideological.
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Post by Aurorae Borealis » 23 Feb 2021, 17:12

Zemen,

If you can prove me wrong on the ground, that would be the happiest day of my life. But, I may be right. That is depressing. :evil:

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Post by quindibu » 23 Feb 2021, 17:28

Zemen,

I don't know if you're the same person, one of a few Ethiopians, who comments now and then on Tesfanews. Forgive me for barging in....

The fundamental prboblem we, Africans, have faced is our elites', at least in most African nations, obsession with the lofty ideals of the Western world without understanding the origin (how they came about) of these ideas, and if these ideas can be implemented or should be used as a template for developing nations....Remember, there is no such thing as disembodied and absolute knowledge.

In the Western world, for instance, their values, history, and political development are heavily influenced and shaped by Christian tradition. Even with that, Brits past experience to get where they are now does completely differ from what, for instance, Germany went through. America and its system were built dominantly by Anglo-Saxons who settled and developed their own identity which culminated in opposing their own 'mother nation's' dominance on their new 'home'.

My point: Nations have their own history, psychological make up, values, socio-economic structure....... Stripped of its context, trying to transpose a system to a different setting would be a futile exercise. Devoid of any originality, Africa's so-called elites have been parroting these same ideals despite Africa's complexity and it's own tumultuous past experience that still hinders most of the African nations even to stand as nation-states. Besides, the western ideals aren't free and come with their own baggage as well......The reason these ideals have been embedded into the so-called International Institutions- like IMF, World Bank, Who, UN, etc- is to protect and serve the interests of the powers of the day who have dominated these institutions. You have to believe the idea of 'Free Economy' is God given....Otherwise, if you start to believe it is a 'human construct' , and as such it's your God given right to question its validation.......then you would be at the receiving end of the dominant powers- and that is the danger of PIA and Eritrea to the west- questioning the Status Quo! That, my friend, is more dangerous than owning a mass destruction weapon. Ideas are more dangerous than a Nuclear!

They don't need to occupy us physically any longer- like they used to do- our brain is their new place! And that Slave Mentality has served them really well, especially in Africa!

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Post by sarcasm » 23 Feb 2021, 19:02

ZEMEN wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 11:36
sarcasm wrote:
23 Feb 2021, 09:24
German-Ethiopian relations suffer over Tigray

Germany would like a good relationship with Ethiopia, but the Tigray crisis is straining ties. Berlin has relied on diplomacy to push for peace, yet some say that is not enough.

A call from German Chancellor Angela Merkel is bound to be about something important. When she called Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed in early February this year, for example, she stressed how vital it was to find a peaceful resolution to the Tigray conflict, according to her spokesman, Steffen Seibert. The German leader also said civilians caught up in the fighting must receive humanitarian assistance.

Merkel's call was the biggest indication of Germany's concern about the crisis so far, though in late November, just weeks after fighting began, Foreign Minister Heiko Maas met with his counterpart in Berlin to discuss what was happening in Tigray. At the time, Maas called the suffering "shocking" and demanded that "crimes against the civilian population be investigated and those guilty of them held accountable."

Humanitarian catastrophe
None of these appeals has so far helped deescalate the conflict. On the contrary, the situation in the crisis region has deteriorated further. What began in November 2020 as a short military intervention against the Tigray People's Liberation Front (TPLF) has since developed into a protracted regional conflict.

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So you happy? is what all about? Anyway how much did they withheld from giving to Eritrea? Do you know? point Abiy is following Eritrea and telling to jump in the lake. Isaias told them a long time to shove it to their behind. That is the only out. The reason what they are doing to Ethiopia, Ethiopia started refusing to bend for them. Bending is gone with the werada TPLF.
I want Ethiopia to continue to keep the "reform partner" status and the aid and assistance that come with it. To keep the status and the aid, Ethiopia has to peacefully resolve the Tigray War and allow all civilians caught up in the conflict to get humanitarian assistance. But, if she chooses the "Eritrean Way", then the reform partners status and the benefits associated with it will be lost.

Ethiopia is at a crossroads. I want Ethiopia to peacefully resolve the Tigray War and allow all civilians caught up in the conflict to get humanitarian assistance to keep the "reform status". I don't think the Eritrean Way is the only way out. There are two choices: 1, the Eritrean way 2, the peaceful / negotiated way.

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