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Acham Yeleh Tamiru also a banda ally of TPLF?

Post by DefendTheTruth » 01 Feb 2021, 16:18

This shallow psydo-intellectual carries around a piece of paper sheet to show his intellectualism and now came back to allege that it is not Akililu Habte Wold's Government rather the OLF that was responsible for the dissolution of Eritrean Federation in the 1950s.

A single piece of paper is the ultimate source of truth for a pseydo-intellectual. There is no cross reference and no cross checking of his source. THis deficieny made him run into supporting TPLF's ajenda of dismantling Ethiopia and criticizing those who supported overcome the challange TPLF was posing to Ethiopia as a nation.

To say I differ from the opinion presented by someone is a well deserved right of an individual but to carry around a piece of paper (single) as an ultimate source of his truth and bash others proves only how shallow and desparate the guy is.

Why did he avoid to say if it was President Isayas Afwork or TPLF that helped overcome the problem, which was the issue that Obbo Taye Dandea was raising in his FB, which was the main point of the post? Cowardily attack those who are trying to take a stand and say it as their position?

The words this guy uses are mostly venomous and could damage the long term people to people relationship, if not told to stop in time. He is tempted to tell us there are no good intellectuals among the Oromo people, whom he considers as OLF.

This coward now came out and supported Lidetu Kidetu, who said in public, it is not TPLF that is enemy nr. 1 of Ethiopia but President Isayas Afworki of Eritrea, who helped curb the major probme that would have befallen our country, shamelessly.

Someone will run around with this pices of audio message and prove that Acham Yeleh Tamiru is an ally of the TPLF, no matter what he said, somewhere else about TPLF in the future, he can't have it both ways.



He is taking side with those who allegedly treated the Amhara people as described in the following video as someone who will be treated as someone concerned about the wellbeing of the Amhara people themselves.


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Re: Acham Yeleh Tamiru also a banda ally of TPLF?

Post by Za-Ilmaknun » 01 Feb 2021, 18:33

ለታላቋ ኢትዮጵያ ተብሎ ዝም ቢባል አሁንስ በዛ።
ጋዜጠኛ ፋሲል የኔአለም


ታዬ ደንደዓ፣ የብልጽግናው ባለስልጣን፣ ስለማያውቀው ታሪክ እየጻፈ የአብይ አህመድን መንግስት አጣብቂኝ ውስጥ እየከተተው ነው። አብይ አህመድ ህወሃት የቀደዳትን ኢትዮጵያን እንቅልፉን አጥቶ ለመስፋት ይሞከራል፤ ታዬ ደንደዓና መሰሎቹ ደግሞ በጎን ይተረትራሉ።
አብይ አህመድን ለማመስገን የኢትዮጵያን ታሪክ ማጠልሸት አይስፈልግም። አብይ በተደጋጋሚ እንዳለው ነው፣ ኢትዮጵያ ከሱ በፊት በነበሩ መሪዎች እየተገነባች እዚህ የደረሰች አገር ናት።

ታዬ ስለ ቀድሞው ጠ/ሚ አክሊ ሃብተወልድ የተሳሳተ ታሪክ ጻፈ። በዚህ ስህተቱ ሳያፍር ቀጥሎ ደግሞ የዛግዌንና የዶ/ር አብይን መንግስት አወዳድሮ ሌላ የማይሆን ታሪክ ጫረ። “ሞኝ ባያፍር፣ የሞኝ ዘመድ ያፍር” ነው ነገሩ።

ታዬ ከዛገዌ መጨረሻ እስከ አጼ ሃይለስላሴ ዘመን የነበረውን የነገስታቱን ዘመን ምንም ስራ እንዳልሰራ አድርጎ ረገመው። በአጭሩ የደርግን ፕሮፓጋንዳ ደገመው። አላማው እነሱ የአማራ መንግስት የሚሉት የሶሎሞናዊው መንግስት ምንም እንዳልሰራ በማሳየት አማራን መወረፍ ነው።
አላዋቂነት የወለደው ድፍረትና ስልጣን የወለደው ትዕቢት ታዬን እያቅበዘበዘው ነው።

ከዛገዌ በኋላ ሸዋ ላይ የተመሰረተው ታላቅ ስልጣኔ በማን እንደፈረሰ ታዬ የሚያውቅ አይመስልም። አክሱም፣ ዛግዌና የሶሎሞናዊው ስርወ መንግስት ስልጣኔዎች የማይነጣጠሉ ተያያዥነትና ተደጋጋፊነት ያላቸው የኢትዮጵያ ታሪኮች መሆናቸውን ለማወቅ፣ የልብ ብርሃን ያስፈልጋል።
ደግሞ የታሪክ ሂሳብ ማወራረድ ውስጥ ከተገባ በማን እንደሚከፋ ታዬና ቢጤዎቹ ያወቁትም ያሰቡበትም አይመስልም። ደርግ እንዳስወራውና ታዬ እንደደገመው ሳይሆን፣ የኢትዮጵያ ነገስታት ለእደ ጥበብ ሰዎች አክብሮት ነበራቸው። በሄዱበት ሁሉ ይዘዋቸው ከሚዞሩ ሰዎች መካከል የእደ ጥበብ ባለሙያዎች የገኙበት ነበር። የኢትዮጵያ ነገስትታና የሙስሊም ነጋዴዎች ቁርኝት በታሪክ ተመዝግቦ የሚገኝ ነው። ይህ ሲባል እንከን አልነበረም ማለት አይደለም። እንኳንስ ትናንት ዛሬም ብዙ እንከኖች አሉ።

የመካከለኛው ዘመን ነገስታት የሰሩትን ስራ ለማወቅ እኮ የዛሬዋን አዲስ አበባ ቆፈር ቆፈር ማድረግ ነው። አንቶን ዲ አባዲ የተባለው ፈረንሳዊው አሳሽ ጊዮርጊስ ቤተክርስቲያን የቆመበት ቦታ ላይ የነበረውን በመካከለኛው ዘመን የተሰራውን የቤተክርስቲያን ፍርስራሽ አይቶ አግራሞቱን እንዲህ ሲል ገልጾ እንደነበር Abba Emile Foucher እንዲህ ሲል ጽፏል፦
“ Who could have been the architect of such a building? … People who constructed such a building with well cut stone, linked with mere clay, must have been of another type of civilizations.”

የረርን፣ በራራን፣ ፈጠጋርን፣ ጋሞን፣ ጉራጌን በአጠቃላይ የሸዋን የጥንት ታሪክ ያጠና ሰው፣ የኢትዮጵያ ነገስታት የኢትዮጵያን ህዝብ አንድነት ለማጥናት እየዘመቱ፣ በጎን ደግሞ ታላቅ ስልጣኔ ገንብተው እንደነበር ይረዳል። ያው እነዚህ ስልጣኔዎች እንዴት እና በእነማን እንደፈረሱ ዝርዝር ውስጥ አልገባም። ታሪካችን ስለሆነ ከመቀበልና ወደፊት ከመጓዝ ውጭ በታሪክ እኘኘ ስንል አንገኝም። እንደ ታዬ አይነት አምቦጫራቂዎች ከበዙ ግን እውነቱን ከመናገር ወደ ኋላ አንልም።

ታዬ የዛግዌ መንግስትን ከ አብይ አህመድ መንግስት ጋር ሲያነጻጻር በተዘዋዋሪ መንገድ የአብይን መንግስት የኦሮሞ መንግስት አድርገን እንድንቀበለው እየነገረን ነው። አብይን የሚደግፈው አብዛኛው ሰው የአብይን መንግስት የኢትዮጵያ መንግስት እንጅ የኦሮሞ መንግስት አድርጎ አያየውም። ከተሳሳትኩ እታረማለሁ። እንዲህ ከሆነማ አንዳንዶች “ተረኝነት አለ ” የሚሉት ትክክል ነው ማለት ነው።

አብይ አህመድ የራሱን መንግስት የኢትዮጵያ መንግስት እንጅ የኦሮሞ መንግስት ብሎ ሲጠራው ወይም ተራው የኦሮሞ ነው በሚል አስተሳሰብ ስልጣን እንደያዘ ሲናገር ሰምቼ አላውቅም። አብይን የደገፉት ሰዎች ሁሉ አብይን በኢትዮጵያዊነት እንጅ በኦሮሞነት የሚስሉትም አይመስለኝም። አብይ ከኦሮሞ ነገድ ቢወጣም፣ ስልጣን የያዘው በኢትዮጵያዊነቱ እንጅ የስልጣን ተራው የኦሮሞ ስለሆነ አይደለም። ስልጣን በብሄር ተራ ተከፋፍሎ ከሆነማ ኦሮሞ በየትኛው የእጣ ድልድል ነው ከሶማሊ፣ ከአፋር፣ ከጋምቤላ፣ ከአማራ ወይም ከጉራጌ ቀድሞ ስልጣን የያዘው? እስኪ እጣው መቼ እንደወጣና እንዴት እንደወጣ ንገሩን?

የእነ ታዬ አመለካከት በጣም አደገኛ የሚሆነው፣ በምርጫ ቢሸነፉ፣ እንደ ህወሃቶች ሁሉ፣ “ኦሮሞ መሪ ካልሆነ ወይም በእጅ አዙር ካልገዛ፣ ስልጣን አንለቅም” የሚሉ መሆናቸው ነው። ስልጣንን በብሄር መንጽር ማየት ኢትዮጵያዊነትን ማዳከም ብቻ ሳይሆን፣ የብሄር አምባገነንነትም ይፈጥራል። –
ዋ!
የታዬ ደንደዓ አስተሳሰብ ያላቸው ብዙ የኦሮሞ ብሄርተኞች መንግስት ውስጥ እንዳሉ ይታወቃል። ዶ/ር አብይ አህመድ ከእነዚህ በብሄር ከሚያስቡ ሰዎች በላይ ከፍ ብሎ የሚበር ስልጡን ሰው እንደሆነ በግሌ አስባለሁ። ስለኢትዮጵያ ታሪክ ያለው አመለካከትም ከብዙዎቹ የተለየና በእውቀት ላይ የተመሰረተ ነው። አብይ እንደነ ታዬ ደንደዓ በኢትዮጵያ ታሪክ ላይ አያላግጥም። በአላዋቂነት ድፍረትም ሆነ በስልጣን ግብዝነት የማያውቀውን ታሪክ ሲዘባርቅ ሰምቼው አላውቅም። አብይ ንባብ ከአላዋቂነት ድፍረት ነጻ ያወጣው ሰው ነው።

የኦሮሞ ብልጽግና ውስጥ እንደ አብይ አህመድ ንባብ ነጻ ያወጣቸው አርቀው የሚያዩ ስንት ሰዎች አሉ? ስለአንድ አብይ ብለን የኦሮሞ ብልጽግናን ሁሉ ይቅር እንበለው ወይስ ስለኦሮሞ ብልጽግና ብለን አንድ አብይ አህመድን እንርገመው የሚለውን ጥያቄ መመለሱ ከባድ እየሆነ ነው። :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Re: Acham Yeleh Tamiru also a banda ally of TPLF?

Post by Gallo » 01 Feb 2021, 18:48

Za-Ilmaknun, History less gallas are jealous of Ethiopia's past history!
"The study of history is the best medicine for a sick mind" :P :P

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Re: Acham Yeleh Tamiru also a banda ally of TPLF?

Post by gearhead » 01 Feb 2021, 18:54

No one really cares to listen to, let alone argue with what is presented in a nameless and faceless ፎጤ media! Let them get high on their own psychotic dose of supply! When full, they will provide ample evidence for their ejection out of PP and the union!
DefendTheTruth wrote:
01 Feb 2021, 16:18
This shallow psydo-intellectual carries around a piece of paper sheet to show his intellectualism and now came back to allege that it is not Akililu Habte Wold's Government rather the OLF that was responsible for the dissolution of Eritrean Federation in the 1950s.

A single piece of paper is the ultimate source of truth for a pseydo-intellectual. There is no cross reference and no cross checking of his source. THis deficieny made him run into supporting TPLF's ajenda of dismantling Ethiopia and criticizing those who supported overcome the challange TPLF was posing to Ethiopia as a nation.

To say I differ from the opinion presented by someone is a well deserved right of an individual but to carry around a piece of paper (single) as an ultimate source of his truth and bash others proves only how shallow and desparate the guy is.

Why did he avoid to say if it was President Isayas Afwork or TPLF that helped overcome the problem, which was the issue that Obbo Taye Dandea was raising in his FB, which was the main point of the post? Cowardily attack those who are trying to take a stand and say it as their position?

The words this guy uses are mostly venomous and could damage the long term people to people relationship, if not told to stop in time. He is tempted to tell us there are no good intellectuals among the Oromo people, whom he considers as OLF.

This coward now came out and supported Lidetu Kidetu, who said in public, it is not TPLF that is enemy nr. 1 of Ethiopia but President Isayas Afworki of Eritrea, who helped curb the major probme that would have befallen our country, shamelessly.

Someone will run around with this pices of audio message and prove that Acham Yeleh Tamiru is an ally of the TPLF, no matter what he said, somewhere else about TPLF in the future, he can't have it both ways.



He is taking side with those who allegedly treated the Amhara people as described in the following video as someone who will be treated as someone concerned about the wellbeing of the Amhara people themselves.


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Re: Acham Yeleh Tamiru also a banda ally of TPLF?

Post by simbe11 » 01 Feb 2021, 18:57

እርግጠኛ ነኝ ታዬ ደንደአ ከመኪና ውስጥ ተሰረቅሁ ያለውን ሁለት ሚሊዮን የአበል ብር አባቱ/ጠንቋይ ቤት ወስዶ ሳያስመርቅ ስለቀረ ነው እንዲህ የሚያስለፈልፈው::
የዚች ብር ጉዳይ መዝገብ መከፈቱ መቼም አይቀር!!!!!

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Re: Acham Yeleh Tamiru also a banda ally of TPLF?

Post by gearhead » 01 Feb 2021, 19:23

hmmmm....not really....a court system thay opens and closes its gates in proportion to amhara mental illness is gone! But this is what i KNOW will be birthed out of necessity. A federalist anti-defamation council that will turn the table and chase qomiche for their namesake.

Do you know that it is a fact that the Amhara State president had committed vehicular man slaughter while operating drunk and without a license? Didnt pay a penny! No one probes into it much but the tide will turn soon when federalist understand that the qomaxa head has to be given five times its due if they are going to ever live in piece.

simbe11 wrote:
01 Feb 2021, 18:57
እርግጠኛ ነኝ ታዬ ደንደአ ከመኪና ውስጥ ተሰረቅሁ ያለውን ሁለት ሚሊዮን የአበል ብር አባቱ/ጠንቋይ ቤት ወስዶ ሳያስመርቅ ስለቀረ ነው እንዲህ የሚያስለፈልፈው::
የዚች ብር ጉዳይ መዝገብ መከፈቱ መቼም አይቀር!!!!!

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Re: Acham Yeleh Tamiru also a banda ally of TPLF?

Post by tolcha » 01 Feb 2021, 19:34

DefendTheTruth wrote:
01 Feb 2021, 16:18
This shallow psydo-intellectual carries around a piece of paper sheet to show his intellectualism and now came back to allege that it is not Akililu Habte Wold's Government rather the OLF that was responsible for the dissolution of Eritrean Federation in the 1950s.

A single piece of paper is the ultimate source of truth for a pseydo-intellectual. There is no cross reference and no cross checking of his source. THis deficieny made him run into supporting TPLF's ajenda of dismantling Ethiopia and criticizing those who supported overcome the challange TPLF was posing to Ethiopia as a nation.

To say I differ from the opinion presented by someone is a well deserved right of an individual but to carry around a piece of paper (single) as an ultimate source of his truth and bash others proves only how shallow and desparate the guy is.

Why did he avoid to say if it was President Isayas Afwork or TPLF that helped overcome the problem, which was the issue that Obbo Taye Dandea was raising in his FB, which was the main point of the post? Cowardily attack those who are trying to take a stand and say it as their position?

The words this guy uses are mostly venomous and could damage the long term people to people relationship, if not told to stop in time. He is tempted to tell us there are no good intellectuals among the Oromo people, whom he considers as OLF.

This coward now came out and supported Lidetu Kidetu, who said in public, it is not TPLF that is enemy nr. 1 of Ethiopia but President Isayas Afworki of Eritrea, who helped curb the major probme that would have befallen our country, shamelessly.

Someone will run around with this pices of audio message and prove that Acham Yeleh Tamiru is an ally of the TPLF, no matter what he said, somewhere else about TPLF in the future, he can't have it both ways.



He is taking side with those who allegedly treated the Amhara people as described in the following video as someone who will be treated as someone concerned about the wellbeing of the Amhara people themselves.

Gim Cadre, better to critique and win over. Do you have evidence to counter his argument? Or just because he slapped " Taye the Bull" in his face.

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Re: Acham Yeleh Tamiru also a banda ally of TPLF?

Post by sun » 01 Feb 2021, 20:54

Gallo wrote:
01 Feb 2021, 18:48
Za-Ilmaknun, History less gallas are jealous of Ethiopia's past history!
"The study of history is the best medicine for a sick mind" :P :P


Really? :P

You may keep very pleased and more than satisfied with your own sick and narcissistic verbal and @nal €jaculations but the fact is that the egalitarian and democratic Oromos kept Mamma Ethiopia in existence by preventing Ethiopia's sure demise on multiple occasions when you and your low IQ dimwitted cheesy a$$ baboons were hiding under the skirts of their moms and grandmas just to come out when every thing have been done to perfection by the GALLANT OROMOS in terms of clearing and cleaning the enemies and putting Mamma Ethiopia up, running, flying and greening after which time you start creeping out of your protective dark skirts and start claiming victory with out due contribution other than your constant vulgar f@rts and endless ranting cheer leading twerking dances.


This young donkey has better IQ and better social intelligence in which case you have a lot of chances to learn from the Donkey currently laughing at your filthy medieval backward vulgar behavior. :lol: :lol:


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Re: Acham Yeleh Tamiru also a banda ally of TPLF?

Post by gearhead » 01 Feb 2021, 21:06

Achamyeleh claims that on the 9th year, few months before the 10year federation was to end into an independent eritrea, the eritrean parliament unanimously voted to join ethiopia as the 14th province.

Is this true? if so, eritreans fought 30 years of war..exactly for what? the widely acclaimed amhara historian is saying eritreans are insane, and declared war against their own unanimous votes!

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Re: Acham Yeleh Tamiru also a banda ally of TPLF?

Post by Ayamaru44 » 01 Feb 2021, 22:21

Read before you judge
He/Achameleh /just presented the fact.
The truth is there
It is up to you to reject it
Knowledge is power

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Re: Acham Yeleh Tamiru also a banda ally of TPLF?

Post by Dawi » 02 Feb 2021, 02:50

gearhead wrote:
01 Feb 2021, 21:06

Is this true? if so, eritreans fought 30 years of war..exactly for what? the widely acclaimed amhara historian is saying eritreans are insane, and declared war against their own unanimous votes!
You got it!

Not just "eritreans" but, all the 60s generation with left persuasion are all insane! :cry:

That's why we go around in circles!

Unlike you though, I am not complaining of Isu/PFDJ being our friend! ;~)

On the other hand, Saleh "Gadi" Johar wrote today:

What Does Eritrea look like today?

"What is happening to my beloved Eritrea and Eritreans who have no stake in this war on Tigrai, is sad. I condemn the war with the strongest words, and I wish some of the misguided Eritreans will be brave enough to break the cycle of vengeance that has brought us here.

Neither the annihilation of Tigrayans or Ethiopians, or Sudanese will improve our lot until we elevate our thinking and respect lives and freedoms. We are stuck in the middle ages chasing windmills and the status of our cities provide enough exhibits. It’s sad to see the horse drawn carts have become a substitute for city-buses that we had when many countries in the region didn’t. It’s painful to see the pools of Mai-Jahjah empty and couldn’t provide water for hungry donkeys. It’s shameful to see the streets of our capital city infested with packs of stray dogs. It’s painful to watch the increase of destitute people to decreased to beggars in the streets. That should have kept us busy trying to find solutions instead of counting dead bodies and supplying fuel to the never-ending cycle of vengeance. It should have reminded us we have grave situations to attend to instead of jumping from one war to another.

We all know that vengeance does not allow you to attend to important life-matters, but transforms you into an animal, senseless, irrational and instinctively blood thirsty. Many existential risks surround us, and we need to fight that war and not be consumed with ego-driven, meaningless wars."

What ever Saleh says, I say, Ethiopia/Eritrea's future is bright!

BTW, I feel sorry for"Defend" defending the indefensible! Taye the windbag! It was good Acham hit him hard! That should teach him a lesson.

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Re: Acham Yeleh Tamiru also a banda ally of TPLF?

Post by DefendTheTruth » 02 Feb 2021, 05:12

Dawi wrote:
02 Feb 2021, 02:50


BTW, I feel sorry for"Defend" defending the indefensible! Taye the windbag! It was good Acham hit him hard! That should teach him a lesson.
Dawi,

you could feel sorry for me but then you can't do so before you do the same for TPLFites, the true losers of the issue at hand here, for whom the 2 so called politicians were caught red-handed while sympataizing with and obbo Taye Dendea exposed them and your Acham-Yeleh (megbare tifu, besem yedegefu) rolling with his a piece of paper defending those indefensible Meskerem 30woch. Do they even understand what a shame is? I doubt.


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Re: Acham Yeleh Tamiru also a banda ally of TPLF?

Post by DefendTheTruth » 03 Feb 2021, 18:22

Za-Ilmaknun wrote:
01 Feb 2021, 18:33
ለታላቋ ኢትዮጵያ ተብሎ ዝም ቢባል አሁንስ በዛ።
ጋዜጠኛ ፋሲል የኔአለም


ታዬ ደንደዓ፣ የብልጽግናው ባለስልጣን፣ ስለማያውቀው ታሪክ እየጻፈ የአብይ አህመድን መንግስት አጣብቂኝ ውስጥ እየከተተው ነው። አብይ አህመድ ህወሃት የቀደዳትን ኢትዮጵያን እንቅልፉን አጥቶ ለመስፋት ይሞከራል፤ ታዬ ደንደዓና መሰሎቹ ደግሞ በጎን ይተረትራሉ።
አብይ አህመድን ለማመስገን የኢትዮጵያን ታሪክ ማጠልሸት አይስፈልግም። አብይ በተደጋጋሚ እንዳለው ነው፣ ኢትዮጵያ ከሱ በፊት በነበሩ መሪዎች እየተገነባች እዚህ የደረሰች አገር ናት።

ታዬ ስለ ቀድሞው ጠ/ሚ አክሊ ሃብተወልድ የተሳሳተ ታሪክ ጻፈ። በዚህ ስህተቱ ሳያፍር ቀጥሎ ደግሞ የዛግዌንና የዶ/ር አብይን መንግስት አወዳድሮ ሌላ የማይሆን ታሪክ ጫረ። “ሞኝ ባያፍር፣ የሞኝ ዘመድ ያፍር” ነው ነገሩ።

ታዬ ከዛገዌ መጨረሻ እስከ አጼ ሃይለስላሴ ዘመን የነበረውን የነገስታቱን ዘመን ምንም ስራ እንዳልሰራ አድርጎ ረገመው። በአጭሩ የደርግን ፕሮፓጋንዳ ደገመው። አላማው እነሱ የአማራ መንግስት የሚሉት የሶሎሞናዊው መንግስት ምንም እንዳልሰራ በማሳየት አማራን መወረፍ ነው።
አላዋቂነት የወለደው ድፍረትና ስልጣን የወለደው ትዕቢት ታዬን እያቅበዘበዘው ነው።

ከዛገዌ በኋላ ሸዋ ላይ የተመሰረተው ታላቅ ስልጣኔ በማን እንደፈረሰ ታዬ የሚያውቅ አይመስልም። አክሱም፣ ዛግዌና የሶሎሞናዊው ስርወ መንግስት ስልጣኔዎች የማይነጣጠሉ ተያያዥነትና ተደጋጋፊነት ያላቸው የኢትዮጵያ ታሪኮች መሆናቸውን ለማወቅ፣ የልብ ብርሃን ያስፈልጋል።
ደግሞ የታሪክ ሂሳብ ማወራረድ ውስጥ ከተገባ በማን እንደሚከፋ ታዬና ቢጤዎቹ ያወቁትም ያሰቡበትም አይመስልም። ደርግ እንዳስወራውና ታዬ እንደደገመው ሳይሆን፣ የኢትዮጵያ ነገስታት ለእደ ጥበብ ሰዎች አክብሮት ነበራቸው። በሄዱበት ሁሉ ይዘዋቸው ከሚዞሩ ሰዎች መካከል የእደ ጥበብ ባለሙያዎች የገኙበት ነበር። የኢትዮጵያ ነገስትታና የሙስሊም ነጋዴዎች ቁርኝት በታሪክ ተመዝግቦ የሚገኝ ነው። ይህ ሲባል እንከን አልነበረም ማለት አይደለም። እንኳንስ ትናንት ዛሬም ብዙ እንከኖች አሉ።

የመካከለኛው ዘመን ነገስታት የሰሩትን ስራ ለማወቅ እኮ የዛሬዋን አዲስ አበባ ቆፈር ቆፈር ማድረግ ነው። አንቶን ዲ አባዲ የተባለው ፈረንሳዊው አሳሽ ጊዮርጊስ ቤተክርስቲያን የቆመበት ቦታ ላይ የነበረውን በመካከለኛው ዘመን የተሰራውን የቤተክርስቲያን ፍርስራሽ አይቶ አግራሞቱን እንዲህ ሲል ገልጾ እንደነበር Abba Emile Foucher እንዲህ ሲል ጽፏል፦
“ Who could have been the architect of such a building? … People who constructed such a building with well cut stone, linked with mere clay, must have been of another type of civilizations.”

የረርን፣ በራራን፣ ፈጠጋርን፣ ጋሞን፣ ጉራጌን በአጠቃላይ የሸዋን የጥንት ታሪክ ያጠና ሰው፣ የኢትዮጵያ ነገስታት የኢትዮጵያን ህዝብ አንድነት ለማጥናት እየዘመቱ፣ በጎን ደግሞ ታላቅ ስልጣኔ ገንብተው እንደነበር ይረዳል። ያው እነዚህ ስልጣኔዎች እንዴት እና በእነማን እንደፈረሱ ዝርዝር ውስጥ አልገባም። ታሪካችን ስለሆነ ከመቀበልና ወደፊት ከመጓዝ ውጭ በታሪክ እኘኘ ስንል አንገኝም። እንደ ታዬ አይነት አምቦጫራቂዎች ከበዙ ግን እውነቱን ከመናገር ወደ ኋላ አንልም።

ታዬ የዛግዌ መንግስትን ከ አብይ አህመድ መንግስት ጋር ሲያነጻጻር በተዘዋዋሪ መንገድ የአብይን መንግስት የኦሮሞ መንግስት አድርገን እንድንቀበለው እየነገረን ነው። አብይን የሚደግፈው አብዛኛው ሰው የአብይን መንግስት የኢትዮጵያ መንግስት እንጅ የኦሮሞ መንግስት አድርጎ አያየውም። ከተሳሳትኩ እታረማለሁ። እንዲህ ከሆነማ አንዳንዶች “ተረኝነት አለ ” የሚሉት ትክክል ነው ማለት ነው።

አብይ አህመድ የራሱን መንግስት የኢትዮጵያ መንግስት እንጅ የኦሮሞ መንግስት ብሎ ሲጠራው ወይም ተራው የኦሮሞ ነው በሚል አስተሳሰብ ስልጣን እንደያዘ ሲናገር ሰምቼ አላውቅም። አብይን የደገፉት ሰዎች ሁሉ አብይን በኢትዮጵያዊነት እንጅ በኦሮሞነት የሚስሉትም አይመስለኝም። አብይ ከኦሮሞ ነገድ ቢወጣም፣ ስልጣን የያዘው በኢትዮጵያዊነቱ እንጅ የስልጣን ተራው የኦሮሞ ስለሆነ አይደለም። ስልጣን በብሄር ተራ ተከፋፍሎ ከሆነማ ኦሮሞ በየትኛው የእጣ ድልድል ነው ከሶማሊ፣ ከአፋር፣ ከጋምቤላ፣ ከአማራ ወይም ከጉራጌ ቀድሞ ስልጣን የያዘው? እስኪ እጣው መቼ እንደወጣና እንዴት እንደወጣ ንገሩን?

የእነ ታዬ አመለካከት በጣም አደገኛ የሚሆነው፣ በምርጫ ቢሸነፉ፣ እንደ ህወሃቶች ሁሉ፣ “ኦሮሞ መሪ ካልሆነ ወይም በእጅ አዙር ካልገዛ፣ ስልጣን አንለቅም” የሚሉ መሆናቸው ነው። ስልጣንን በብሄር መንጽር ማየት ኢትዮጵያዊነትን ማዳከም ብቻ ሳይሆን፣ የብሄር አምባገነንነትም ይፈጥራል። –
ዋ!
የታዬ ደንደዓ አስተሳሰብ ያላቸው ብዙ የኦሮሞ ብሄርተኞች መንግስት ውስጥ እንዳሉ ይታወቃል። ዶ/ር አብይ አህመድ ከእነዚህ በብሄር ከሚያስቡ ሰዎች በላይ ከፍ ብሎ የሚበር ስልጡን ሰው እንደሆነ በግሌ አስባለሁ። ስለኢትዮጵያ ታሪክ ያለው አመለካከትም ከብዙዎቹ የተለየና በእውቀት ላይ የተመሰረተ ነው። አብይ እንደነ ታዬ ደንደዓ በኢትዮጵያ ታሪክ ላይ አያላግጥም። በአላዋቂነት ድፍረትም ሆነ በስልጣን ግብዝነት የማያውቀውን ታሪክ ሲዘባርቅ ሰምቼው አላውቅም። አብይ ንባብ ከአላዋቂነት ድፍረት ነጻ ያወጣው ሰው ነው።

የኦሮሞ ብልጽግና ውስጥ እንደ አብይ አህመድ ንባብ ነጻ ያወጣቸው አርቀው የሚያዩ ስንት ሰዎች አሉ? ስለአንድ አብይ ብለን የኦሮሞ ብልጽግናን ሁሉ ይቅር እንበለው ወይስ ስለኦሮሞ ብልጽግና ብለን አንድ አብይ አህመድን እንርገመው የሚለውን ጥያቄ መመለሱ ከባድ እየሆነ ነው። :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
It is getting clearer about what makes you (and Ato Acham Yeleh Tamiru) speak. Stop scapegoating Obbo Taye Dendea, you have no reason to declare him as your enemy.

The motive is somewhere else.


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Re: Acham Yeleh Tamiru also a banda ally of TPLF?

Post by Gallo » 03 Feb 2021, 20:11

የታዬ ደንደአ ዋና ችግር ድንቁርና ነው፡፡ ታዬ ደንደአ "መደመር" ከሚለው ከአብይ አህመድ መፀሐፍ ውጪ ሌላ መፀሐፍ ያለ አይመስለውም፡፡ በኢትዮጵያውያንም ሆነ በፈረንጆች ስለ ኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ እና ታሪክ የተፃፉ መፅሃፍትን ማንበብ ይኖርበታል፡፡ ያለበለዚህ በሚያሳዝን ሁኔታ እንደ ደንቆረ መሞቱ ነው!!

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Re: Acham Yeleh Tamiru also a banda ally of TPLF?

Post by banebris2013 » 03 Feb 2021, 21:35

DefendTheTruth wrote:
01 Feb 2021, 16:18
This shallow psydo-intellectual carries around a piece of paper sheet to show his intellectualism and now came back to allege that it is not Akililu Habte Wold's Government rather the OLF that was responsible for the dissolution of Eritrean Federation in the 1950s.

A single piece of paper is the ultimate source of truth for a pseydo-intellectual. There is no cross reference and no cross checking of his source. THis deficieny made him run into supporting TPLF's ajenda of dismantling Ethiopia and criticizing those who supported overcome the challange TPLF was posing to Ethiopia as a nation.

To say I differ from the opinion presented by someone is a well deserved right of an individual but to carry around a piece of paper (single) as an ultimate source of his truth and bash others proves only how shallow and desparate the guy is.

Why did he avoid to say if it was President Isayas Afwork or TPLF that helped overcome the problem, which was the issue that Obbo Taye Dandea was raising in his FB, which was the main point of the post? Cowardily attack those who are trying to take a stand and say it as their position?

The words this guy uses are mostly venomous and could damage the long term people to people relationship, if not told to stop in time. He is tempted to tell us there are no good intellectuals among the Oromo people, whom he considers as OLF.

This coward now came out and supported Lidetu Kidetu, who said in public, it is not TPLF that is enemy nr. 1 of Ethiopia but President Isayas Afworki of Eritrea, who helped curb the major probme that would have befallen our country, shamelessly.

Someone will run around with this pices of audio message and prove that Acham Yeleh Tamiru is an ally of the TPLF, no matter what he said, somewhere else about TPLF in the future, he can't have it both ways.



He is taking side with those who allegedly treated the Amhara people as described in the following video as someone who will be treated as someone concerned about the wellbeing of the Amhara people themselves.

DTT,
This guy is just a continuation of his forefathers. If what they have been claiming in the form of history, past to present is true, Ethiopia shouldn't have been what it is today. These are people who like to claim, without having anything to do with what they claim. For example when EDF was in Tigray, the so called Amhara Liyu gets in to the area liberated by EDF, takes photo and claim that they liberated the area. Most of the history by people like the Guy you mentioned is about gratifying their ego than anything else.

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Re: Acham Yeleh Tamiru also a banda ally of TPLF?

Post by sarcasm » 03 Feb 2021, 22:04

gearhead wrote:
01 Feb 2021, 21:06
Achamyeleh claims that on the 9th year, few months before the 10year federation was to end into an independent eritrea, the eritrean parliament unanimously voted to join ethiopia as the 14th province.

Is this true? if so, eritreans fought 30 years of war..exactly for what? the widely acclaimed amhara historian is saying eritreans are insane, and declared war against their own unanimous votes!
The federation was not time limited. It could continue permanently or be terminated even after a year. The Unionist MPs who had a majority in the Parliament have always wanted to unite Eritrea with Ethiopia and have attempted to commit the union many time before. I have not read or seen Achamyeleh's take on this issue. The MPs have actually resented PM Aklilu Habtewold for his lukewarm attitude to ending the federation. I read somewhere that he was keen to give the other regions / kiflehagers similar parliaments and autonomy under a constitutional monarchy over time.

I watched an interview with a 90 year old gentleman who said that that there were rumors in Asmara around that time that they were trying to unite the country before the 10 year expiry of the federation. The gentleman said that the parliamentarians (and himself) knew there was nothing in writing.

I think the 10 years rumor came about from the discussions and proposals people were having prior to the federation. For example, the British proposed that Ethiopia should administer Eritrea for 10 yrs. At the end of ten years, the United Nations should decide whether Ethiopia could continue the administration or changed into a union. Weldeab Woldemariams's Liberal Progressive Party (LPP) wanted a ten year trusteeship under UK, and then to be followed by independence of a United Tigrai Tigrign (Eritrea and Tigray).

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Re: Acham Yeleh Tamiru also a banda ally of TPLF?

Post by kibramlak » 04 Feb 2021, 05:59

Defend The Gallas Tribe,

Have you ever heard anything about statement of agreement, letter of agreement, etc which can contain one to several pages ? Do you expect such materials being duplicated at libraries ? Do you think any diplomatic materials are for duplicates? I am not defending Achamyeleh blindly as I didnt read his letter but your nonsense to conclude one page document is invalid to be used as reference shows once again your complete ignorance and you are a low IQ dumb@z. All you think about is hatrates of anything Amhara. A sane mind person cannot say such nonsense until s/he disproves it using his/her own sources. Dedeb kilEras. Go search something to counter argue rather than showing your stup!d!ty here. Not only one page, even one paragraph or few words can serve as a reference. Its not about quantity, rather the quality. Thats why we say its not the number of gallas who would count, rather the quality of people within there that counts a lot. Gebah? I know you dont understand it.
DefendTheTruth wrote:
01 Feb 2021, 16:18
This shallow psydo-intellectual carries around a piece of paper sheet to show his intellectualism and now came back to allege that it is not Akililu Habte Wold's Government rather the OLF that was responsible for the dissolution of Eritrean Federation in the 1950s.

A single piece of paper is the ultimate source of truth for a pseydo-intellectual. There is no cross reference and no cross checking of his source. THis deficieny made him run into supporting TPLF's ajenda of dismantling Ethiopia and criticizing those who supported overcome the challange TPLF was posing to Ethiopia as a nation.

To say I differ from the opinion presented by someone is a well deserved right of an individual but to carry around a piece of paper (single) as an ultimate source of his truth and bash others proves only how shallow and desparate the guy is.

Why did he avoid to say if it was President Isayas Afwork or TPLF that helped overcome the problem, which was the issue that Obbo Taye Dandea was raising in his FB, which was the main point of the post? Cowardily attack those who are trying to take a stand and say it as their position?

The words this guy uses are mostly venomous and could damage the long term people to people relationship, if not told to stop in time. He is tempted to tell us there are no good intellectuals among the Oromo people, whom he considers as OLF.

This coward now came out and supported Lidetu Kidetu, who said in public, it is not TPLF that is enemy nr. 1 of Ethiopia but President Isayas Afworki of Eritrea, who helped curb the major probme that would have befallen our country, shamelessly.

Someone will run around with this pices of audio message and prove that Acham Yeleh Tamiru is an ally of the TPLF, no matter what he said, somewhere else about TPLF in the future, he can't have it both ways.



He is taking side with those who allegedly treated the Amhara people as described in the following video as someone who will be treated as someone concerned about the wellbeing of the Amhara people themselves.


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Re: Acham Yeleh Tamiru also a banda ally of TPLF?

Post by sarcasm » 04 Feb 2021, 17:55

sarcasm wrote:
03 Feb 2021, 22:04
gearhead wrote:
01 Feb 2021, 21:06
Achamyeleh claims that on the 9th year, few months before the 10year federation was to end into an independent eritrea, the eritrean parliament unanimously voted to join ethiopia as the 14th province.

Is this true? if so, eritreans fought 30 years of war..exactly for what? the widely acclaimed amhara historian is saying eritreans are insane, and declared war against their own unanimous votes!
The federation was not time limited. It could continue permanently or be terminated even after a year. The Unionist MPs who had a majority in the Parliament have always wanted to unite Eritrea with Ethiopia and have attempted to commit the union many time before. I have not read or seen Achamyeleh's take on this issue. The MPs have actually resented PM Aklilu Habtewold for his lukewarm attitude to ending the federation. I read somewhere that he was keen to give the other regions / kiflehagers similar parliaments and autonomy under a constitutional monarchy over time.

I watched an interview with a 90 year old gentleman who said that that there were rumors in Asmara around that time that they were trying to unite the country before the 10 year expiry of the federation. The gentleman said that the parliamentarians (and himself) knew there was nothing in writing.

I think the 10 years rumor came about from the discussions and proposals people were having prior to the federation. For example, the British proposed that Ethiopia should administer Eritrea for 10 yrs. At the end of ten years, the United Nations should decide whether Ethiopia could continue the administration or changed into a union. Weldeab Woldemariams's Liberal Progressive Party (LPP) wanted a ten year trusteeship under UK, and then to be followed by independence of a United Tigrai Tigrign (Eritrea and Tigray).
Here's an excerpt from Eritrea and Ethiopia: The Federal Experience by Prof. Tekeste Negash (page 137)

"By the beginning of 1962 while the full integration of Eritrea into the Ethiopian empire appeared to be a matter of formality, a rumour was spread which in its turn led to student demonstrations. The rumour was based on a misunderstanding and can be traced to the early 1950s. According to British diplomatic observers, there was a widespread impression in Eritrea that when the UN decided on the federation with Ethiopia, it also passed a supplementary resolution providing for the review of this arrangement after 10 years, i.e. in 1962. The UN did not pass any supplementary resolution to that effect. Nevertheless, for the greater part of May 1962 all secondary schools in the country were closed due to demonstrations. Although the students did not appear to have a clearly
spelled out idea of why they were demonstrating apart from “unmistakable dislike of the Ethiopian connection”, they were of such a nature as to provoke the Eritrean police to action. According to British sources, the demonstrators in Asmara demanded that the terms of the Eritrean constitution be observed, and in particular “they demanded that the local Ethiopian (sic) authorities should cease arresting people and holding them for lengthy periods without trial”.

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Re: Acham Yeleh Tamiru also a banda ally of TPLF?

Post by sun » 04 Feb 2021, 18:10

DefendTheTruth wrote:
01 Feb 2021, 16:18
This shallow psydo-intellectual carries around a piece of paper sheet to show his intellectualism and now came back to allege that it is not Akililu Habte Wold's Government rather the OLF that was responsible for the dissolution of Eritrean Federation in the 1950s.

A single piece of paper is the ultimate source of truth for a pseydo-intellectual. There is no cross reference and no cross checking of his source. THis deficieny made him run into supporting TPLF's ajenda of dismantling Ethiopia and criticizing those who supported overcome the challange TPLF was posing to Ethiopia as a nation.

To say I differ from the opinion presented by someone is a well deserved right of an individual but to carry around a piece of paper (single) as an ultimate source of his truth and bash others proves only how shallow and desparate the guy is.

Why did he avoid to say if it was President Isayas Afwork or TPLF that helped overcome the problem, which was the issue that Obbo Taye Dandea was raising in his FB, which was the main point of the post? Cowardily attack those who are trying to take a stand and say it as their position?

The words this guy uses are mostly venomous and could damage the long term people to people relationship, if not told to stop in time. He is tempted to tell us there are no good intellectuals among the Oromo people, whom he considers as OLF.

This coward now came out and supported Lidetu Kidetu, who said in public, it is not TPLF that is enemy nr. 1 of Ethiopia but President Isayas Afworki of Eritrea, who helped curb the major probme that would have befallen our country, shamelessly.

Someone will run around with this pices of audio message and prove that Acham Yeleh Tamiru is an ally of the TPLF, no matter what he said, somewhere else about TPLF in the future, he can't have it both ways.



He is taking side with those who allegedly treated the Amhara people as described in the following video as someone who will be treated as someone concerned about the wellbeing of the Amhara people themselves.
Hmm...

So what is the problem here if this desperado Acha sells bulsh!ts to earn his daily bread just like Judas Iscariot sold Jesus Christ for 30 silver coins for earning his daily bread, though unfortunately Judas Iscariot regretted his cardinal crimes afterwords and liberated himself by committing voluntary suicide.
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