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Ethiopian Courts will have nightmare persecuting TPLF leaders

Post by Aurorae Borealis » 17 Jan 2021, 12:22

Here is the problem. The last 29 years, EPRDF was composed of TPLF, OPDO and ANDM. It is very easy to convict TPLF leadership on the Crime committed to the North Command. But, other civil and criminal violations were committed also by some EPRDF membrs. Meaning some former EPRDF members, who were not TPLF members have been participating in the crime as well. Taking Abay and Syoum alive was really a grave problem in persecution. Hence, take them out. Spare the headache by blowing out Syoum's head. Specially Syoum who served as foreign minister for a long time and as an Ambasador to China for almost a decade. So many damaging secrets would go out of that one, unless Abbiy decides to bring a kangaroo court which will not be good to his legacy. When it comes to the North Command attack, Debre will have to answer that. You can not bring these people to justice unless justice is going to be carried out. What about Sibhat and Abay Woldu. Abay will have to have to answer the crime committed to the people of Tigray when he was a chair in Tigray. The whole stunt will be the court nightmare unless a kangaroo court is prescribed. But, shooting Syoum at a close range is not surprising. The man was a liability to many EPRDF members who took part with him. Don't tell me, it was manly TPLF members who were abusing Ethiopians. They were the main ones though. Justice served right on the spot, perhaps is the way to go, other than off course, the Debrestion and the Getachew duo's case. :lol: :lol:
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Re: Ethiopian Courts will have nightmare persecuting TPLF leaders

Post by nizzy » 17 Jan 2021, 12:33

They don't have to charge him of past crimes, just the recent insurrection, attack on the northern command and refusing to obey the Ethiopian government, all three are treasonous and serious crimes.

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Re: Ethiopian Courts will have nightmare persecuting TPLF leaders

Post by Fiyameta » 17 Jan 2021, 12:41

Junta Borealis,

You're not saying anything new. You're simply echoing your junta leaders' "we will take everyone down with us into hell" rhetoric. Misery loves company. :lol: :lol:

Aurorae Borealis wrote:
17 Jan 2021, 12:22
Here is the problem. The last 29 years, EPRDF was composed of TPLF, OPDO and ANDM. It is very easy to convict TPLF leadership on the Crime committed to the North Command. But, other civil and criminal violations were committed also by some EPRDF membrs. Meaning some former EPRDF members, who were not TPLF members have been participating in the crime as well. Taking Abay and Syoum alive was really a grave problem in persecution. Hence, take them out. Spare the headache by blowing out Syoum's head. Specially Syoum who served as foreign minister for a long time and as an Ambasador to China for almost a decade. So many damaging secrets would go out of that one, unless Abbiy decides to bring a kangaroo court which will not be good to his legacy. When it comes to the North Command attack, Debre will have to answer that. You can not bring these people to justice unless justice is going to be carried out. What about Sibhat and Abay Woldu. Abay will have to have to answer the crime committed to the people of Tigray when he was a chair in Tigray. The whole stunt will be the court nightmare unless a kangaroo court is prescribed. But, shooting Syoum at a close range is not surprising. The man was a liability to many EPRDF members who took part with him. Don't tell me, it was manly TPLF members who were abusing Ethiopians. They were the main ones though. Justice served right on the spot, perhaps is the way to go, other than off course, the Debrestion and the Getachew duo's case. :lol: :lol:

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Re: Ethiopian Courts will have nightmare persecuting TPLF leaders

Post by Aurorae Borealis » 17 Jan 2021, 12:44

Nizzy,

You cannot ignore some crimes and persecute them on your choice. BTW, who ordered the the attack on the North command. That crime mainly falls on Debre's head. He was the only one who had the power to avoid it. Proving that Sibhat and company participated in that is very hard unless you get testimony from some of the participants. Debre and the Getachew duo's are easy. I doubt the high court in Addis will be independent and fair to convicted TPLF members, But, a compromised court for Ethiopia is a bad beginning. Ethnic cleansing will be something Abbiy needs to worry about. Abbiy's best bet is forget about the oldies and destroy TPLF for good in the field. If he is really clean himself, bring all crime participants in EPRDF whether they belong to TPLF, OPIDO or ANDM. Abbiy did not hold a meaningful power in the former government anyway. If he does that, his enemies will multiply.
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Re: Ethiopian Courts will have nightmare persecuting TPLF leaders

Post by Meron » 17 Jan 2021, 12:45

The disgraceful TPLF abused the sacred part of reform and reconciliation of dr.Abiye where he gave a blanket forgiveness for the past untold crimes. Dr.Abiye, the far sighted and the intelligent that he is, on behalf EPRDF he went as far as taking responsibility and asking forgiveness to Ethiopian people for the past TPLF's crimes committed under the guise of EPRDF. But the carrier criminals TPLF that is, the criminals didn't waste time to go back and engage in yet new terrorists and criminal activities across the country, and that is where it all started. When dr.Abiye's leadership time and gain advised them to refrain stating that when push comes to shovel it will be ugly and quick. The last straw that broke TPLF'S back,once and for all, was when they crossed the red line and weaved conspiration and attacked North Command. The rest is history. True to his word, within 17 days TPLF became history. So, the carrier criminals TPLF brought their own demise onto themselves. Here you have it.Humilated and made the laughing stock of the world. It was a well deserving justice! At the end justice prevailed and the way the criminals bit the dust is the nail on the coffin. So, please Don't mix apples and oranges.
Aurorae Borealis wrote:
17 Jan 2021, 12:22
Here is the problem. The last 29 years, EPRDF was composed of TPLF, OPDO and ANDM. It is very easy to convict TPLF leadership on the Crime committed to the North Command. But, other civil and criminal violations were committed by EPRDF. Meaning some former EPRDF who were not t TPLF members have been participating in the crime as well. Taking Abay and Syoum alive was really a grave problem in persecution. Hence, take them out. Spare the headache. Specially Syoum who served as foreign minister for a long time and Ambasador in Chine for almost a decade. So many damaging secrets would go out of that one, unless Abbiy decides to bring a kangaroo court which will not be good to his legacy. When it comes to the North Command attack, Debre will have to answer that. You can not bring these people to justice unless justice is going to be carried out. What about Sibhat and Abay Woldu. Abay will have to have to answer the crime committed to the people of Tigray when he was a chair in Tigray. The whole thing will be the court nightmare unless a kangaroo court is prescribed. But, shooting Syoum at a close range is not surprising. The man was a liability to many EPRDF members who took part with him. Don't tell me, it was wanly TPLF members who were abusing Ethiopians. They were the main one though. Justice served right on the spot, perhaps is the way to go, other than off course, Debrestion and the Getachew duo's. :lol: :lol:
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Re: Ethiopian Courts will have nightmare persecuting TPLF leaders

Post by Aurorae Borealis » 17 Jan 2021, 12:55

Fyameta,

Amiche, addis ho-oker,
We know you are another S-egera. Did I attack your master Abbiy. BTW, do you understand what Junta referes to . It refers to unelected military government. Shy----yt head. You remind me of the old slavery era, when the slaves complained being sick just because their masters were sick. :lol: :lol:
How about presenting a rational argument rather that resorting to insult
ሸር__ሙጣ ሰፈር ሽልሖ ኣድጊ
Meron,

Do you even understand law and order ? I am not mixing oranges and apples unless he intends to persecute them on a single crime committed in Tigray. Why do the so called PFDJ cadres try to defend Abbiy more than Abbiy himself? I am very patriotic Eritrean, and I say it the way I see it.

Meron,
Know that all PFDJ cadres are not the same. Some love Eritrea but others are working for mama Ethiopia. :oops: :evil:

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Re: Ethiopian Courts will have nightmare persecuting TPLF leaders

Post by quindibu » 17 Jan 2021, 13:21

Aurorae Borealis wrote:
17 Jan 2021, 12:55



. Some love Eritrea but others are working to mama Ethiopia. :oops: :evil:
I am very patriotic Eritrean, and I say it the way I see it.

This retard is amusing......If you're a 'patriotic Eritrean' and if you're not 'working to mama Ethiopia', why did you then bother to open a thread to talk about something that isn't your business? And this isn't your first time!

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Re: Ethiopian Courts will have nightmare persecuting TPLF leaders

Post by nizzy » 17 Jan 2021, 13:34

Aurorae Borealis wrote:
17 Jan 2021, 12:44
Nizzy,

You cannot ignore some crimes and persecute them on your choice. BTW, who ordered the the attack on the North command. That crime mainly falls on Debre's head. He was the only one who had the power to avoid it. Proving that Sibhat and company participated in that is very hard unless you get testimony from some of the participants. Debre and the Getachew duo's are easy. I doubt the high court in Addis will be independent and fair to convicted TPLF members, But, a compromised court for Ethiopia is a bad beginning. Ethnic cleansing will be something Abbiy needs to worry about. Abbiy's best bet is forget about the oldies and destroy TPLF for good in the field. If he is really clean himself, bring all crime participants in EPRDF whether they belong to TPLF, OPIDO or ANDM. Abbiy did not hold a meaningful power in the former government anyway. If he does that, his enemies will multiply.
Yes you can, in fact that is exactly how it works. Prosecutors decide on what charges to charge their suspects of and then they attempt to prove that the suspects did them. So yes, government agents (prosecutors) get to choose what they want to prosecute. Often times if prosecutors do not feel like they can get a conviction they will decline to prosecute even if the parties involved are guilty, this is how its always been. The TPLF had their chance when Abiy came to power he offered everyone with the EPRDF amnesty but these morons refused to make peace and decided to rebel and now they're paying that price.

As for who ordered the attack on the northern command it was the TPLF that attacked them thus it falls on the feet on the TPLF leaders. IE Sebhat, Debrech, Getachew, Mesfin and every other scumbag that belonged to the senior leadership.

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Re: Ethiopian Courts will have nightmare persecuting TPLF leaders

Post by Sam Ebalalehu » 17 Jan 2021, 14:19

nizzy got it right. Prosecutors have the choice to decide what charges to bring. In fact, it is insane to assume the TPLF founders will be charged for the crimes they made since Abiy came to power. That by itself would be too many to present to court. Narrow it down to the one that will bring maximum punishment: trying to overthrow the legitimate Abiy’s administration. Attacking the military in Tigray was not an end by itself. It was the TPLF first move to overthrow the government. That translates what in prosecutorial language ? Treason maybe.

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Re: Ethiopian Courts will have nightmare persecuting TPLF leaders

Post by Aurorae Borealis » 17 Jan 2021, 14:22

Nizzy,

You are right, prosecutors in criminal courts have a lot of lee ways to bring the master criminal to justice. But, the prosecutors are clean in the first place. What they do is, they play the criminals against each other. A lot of this happens in smaller jurisdictions. Here you are dealing with two parties, potentially both criminals, one trying to bring justice against the other in a treason situation. In other words, the validity of the court itself is in question. Choose and pick is very questionable. A pot calling the kettle black is what it entails too. Ethiopians are expecting much more than that. Would Abbiy deliver is the big question.


Quindibu,

Another amiche s-egera, shut your smelly she-male aszzz :lol: :lol: You always sound like you are on you she-male period. :lol: :lol:

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Re: Ethiopian Courts will have nightmare persecuting TPLF leaders

Post by Aurorae Borealis » 17 Jan 2021, 14:44

Nizzy,

Something to add. Abbiy can appoint independent prosecutor or investigator to investigate any treason related violations on all parties. Those grave violations will be refereed to the military or civil courts appropriately. In this case, I don't foresee any military treasonous act other than the Northern Command situation. Your bring EPRDF then you work your way to TPLF treasonous acts. Once that is done, the courts in session take the cases individually. Then it will be the job of the prosecutors to bring potential criminals to justices. Some accusations against individuals could be dropped to get to the bigger fishes in treasonous sea. That would probably be the best way to do it. However, we are talking about Africa. Trust me, Kangaroo courts will show up. Abbiy is better off to finish the war on the ground to have for Ethiopia, a new beginning.

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Re: Ethiopian Courts will have nightmare persecuting TPLF leaders

Post by Abe Abraham » 17 Jan 2021, 15:09

Sam Ebalalehu wrote:
17 Jan 2021, 14:19
nizzy got it right. Prosecutors have the choice to decide what charges to bring. In fact, it is insane to assume the TPLF founders will be charged for the crimes they made since Abiy came to power. That by itself would be too many to present to court. Narrow it down to the one that will bring maximum punishment: trying to overthrow the legitimate Abiy’s administration. Attacking the military in Tigray was not an end by itself. It was the TPLF first move to overthrow the government. That translates what in prosecutorial language ? Treason maybe.
That is what they did in Iraq.

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Re: Ethiopian Courts will have nightmare persecuting TPLF leaders

Post by nizzy » 17 Jan 2021, 15:13

Sam Ebalalehu wrote:
17 Jan 2021, 14:19
nizzy got it right. Prosecutors have the choice to decide what charges to bring. In fact, it is insane to assume the TPLF founders will be charged for the crimes they made since Abiy came to power. That by itself would be too many to present to court. Narrow it down to the one that will bring maximum punishment: trying to overthrow the legitimate Abiy’s administration. Attacking the military in Tigray was not an end by itself. It was the TPLF first move to overthrow the government. That translates what in prosecutorial language ? Treason maybe.
Thank you, that's what I'm saying. Even if you forgave the TPLF for the crimes they committed while in charge of the EPRDF (which Abiy did btw) the treason they committed against their own country by attacking their own is an extremely serious crime that eclipses all crimes they committed up to that point.

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Re: Ethiopian Courts will have nightmare persecuting TPLF leaders

Post by eritrea » 17 Jan 2021, 20:03

Aurorae Borealis wrote:
17 Jan 2021, 12:22
Here is the problem. The last 29 years, EPRDF was composed of TPLF, OPDO and ANDM. It is very easy to convict TPLF leadership on the Crime committed to the North Command. But, other civil and criminal violations were committed also by some EPRDF membrs. Meaning some former EPRDF members, who were not TPLF members have been participating in the crime as well. Taking Abay and Syoum alive was really a grave problem in persecution. Hence, take them out. Spare the headache by blowing out Syoum's head. Specially Syoum who served as foreign minister for a long time and as an Ambasador to China for almost a decade. So many damaging secrets would go out of that one, unless Abbiy decides to bring a kangaroo court which will not be good to his legacy. When it comes to the North Command attack, Debre will have to answer that. You can not bring these people to justice unless justice is going to be carried out. What about Sibhat and Abay Woldu. Abay will have to have to answer the crime committed to the people of Tigray when he was a chair in Tigray. The whole stunt will be the court nightmare unless a kangaroo court is prescribed. But, shooting Syoum at a close range is not surprising. The man was a liability to many EPRDF members who took part with him. Don't tell me, it was manly TPLF members who were abusing Ethiopians. They were the main ones though. Justice served right on the spot, perhaps is the way to go, other than off course, the Debrestion and the Getachew duo's case. :lol: :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol: Hardline, thanks for trying to bring some kind of normality to a forum which otherwise is full of abnormalities. Nevertheless, I was pretty much surprised with your expectation of a third world judicial system. That they have been able to see a court room was good enough as far as I am concerned. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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