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What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Post by YAY » 21 Dec 2020, 18:15

What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

The reasons TPLF (Tigrai People's Liberation Front) leaders offered before the war made little sense. Election was not really that critical of an issue. If the Federation would not accept their local election, they could have made another election, together with the rest of Etiyopiya. That is not a good enough reason to go to war with the National Government and waste thousands of human lives and other resources.

The right to self-determination could not be a good enough reason to go to war against the Etiyopiyan Federation because they (TPLF' s leaders) did not formally ask for the Tigraiy people to determine their political future, through a referendum, and no one denied them the right to do so.

If it were about sharing political power in the national Government, peacefully, PM Abiy Ahmed was literally begging them to join in to the Prosperity Party. They did not need to fight a war to just share political power in the Federal Government. TPLF could also have collaborated with other social forces to build a different coalition of political parties and win the majority seats in the Federal House of Representatives and come back to power again.

If TPLF' s objective was to come to power through civil war, the strategy it followed in the current war made no sense at all. The TPLF leaders already knew that they made many enemies or adversaries over the last 30 years, and they seem to have failed to realize that the masses of people they had forgotten for 27 years in Tigraiy had different interests than those of TPLF's leaders. I have watched a young Tigraiyan female soldier saying, 'They gave me 150 bullets to fight with, and I gave my hands up to our national defense forces, voluntarily, without shooting even a single ammo.' Many other Tigraiyans claimed to have the same line of thinking---i.e. they believed that fighting against the Federal Army was not in their best interests.

However, Kassahun Melesse argues that the purpose of the war was economic power more than anything else. Was it? How would TPLF re-gain its economic power through war? Did they not have to win the war, first?
Argument: Tigray’s War Against Ethiopia Isn’t About Autonomy. It’s About Economic Power.


Tigray’s War Against Ethiopia Isn’t About Autonomy. It’s About Economic Power.

Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed is fighting the country’s revanchist old regime, which is intent on recapturing the economic and political influence it once held.

By Kassahun Melesse | November 19, 2020, 5:20 PM

It has been two weeks since a military conflict in Ethiopia’s Tigray region between regional forces and the Ethiopian federal army began. Some analysts fear that it could escalate further, leading to the disintegration of the country, which would have significant economic and political repercussions for all countries in the Horn of Africa. But the fundamental causes of the conflict are misunderstood.

Outside observers and analysts tend to see the proximate cause as a recent disagreement between the regional leaders and the federal government—which is led by Nobel Peace Prize-winning Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed—regarding the constitutionality of the parliament’s decision to postpone the national and regional elections due to COVID-19. Tigray’s regional leaders held an election in defiance of that decision, in which the governing the Tigray People’s Liberation Front (TPLF) won all seats, and the result was subsequently declared null and void by the country’s parliament.

Others identify the prevailing ideological differences between Abiy and the TPLF as the key source of friction. These arguments, however, do not explain why such differences would give rise to a military confrontation. That’s because they are not the underlying causes of the conflict at all.

This war is ultimately a battle for control of Ethiopia’s economy, its natural resources, and the billions of dollars the country receives annually from international donors and lenders. Access to those riches is a function of who heads the federal government—which the TPLF controlled for nearly three decades before Abiy came to power in April 2018, following widespread protests against the TPLF-led government.

In other words, this is not a conflict over who gets to rule Tigray, a small region whose population accounts for a mere 6 percent of Ethiopia’s more than 110 million people. It is a fight over who gets to dominate the commanding heights of the country’s economy, a prize that Tigray’s regional leaders once held and are determined to recapture at any cost.

The TPLF was the dominant force in Ethiopian politics for nearly 30 years, after it ousted the military government of Mengistu Hailemariam in 1991 in a protracted armed struggle alongside the Eritrean People’s Liberation Front, which was led by the current president of Eritrea, Isaias Afwerki. After the fall of the military government, Eritrea seceded from Ethiopia in 1993, and the TPLF’s former leader, the late Ethiopian prime minister Meles Zenawi, ruled the country with an iron fist until his death in 2012.

The current director-general of the World Health Organization (WHO), Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, was also a member of the TPLF leadership and served as Ethiopia’s health minister for many years under Meles. Before Abiy’s rise to power, all the country’s heads of intelligence and the military chiefs came from the TPLF or were members of the military wing of the party during the armed struggle against Mengitsu. After coming to power, the TPLF-led government converted its forces into an ostensibly Ethiopian army, after completely disbanding the old Ethiopian army. This ensured that most of the top generals and other military leaders in the new army came from the TPLF’s ranks as well.

The TPLF’s political and military power eventually gave rise to economic dominance as it enabled its leaders to exercise complete control of the country’s economy and natural resources—mainly its land—as well as aid flows and loans. In recent years, Ethiopia received, on average, about $3.5 billion per year in foreign aid alone, which accounted for about half of the country’s national budget during the late Meles years. The TPLF-led government also took significant amounts of loans from private creditors and governments, mainly from China, which had reached 60 percent of the country’s GDP when Abiy came to power. In fact, Abiy’s new administration, which inherited meager foreign exchange reserves, has been struggling to service this debt and was forced to request deferral and renegotiation of terms of these loans from creditors.

Furthermore, the constitution that the TPLF-led government introduced in 1994, which allowed only public ownership of land, gave government officials unfettered access to abundant land resources in the southern parts of the country, particularly in Benishangul-Gumuz and Gambela regions, which they leased to foreign and domestic investors in a long-term lease, amassing billions of dollars in the process. According to Human Rights Watch, by January 2011 the Ethiopian government had leased out 3.6 million hectares of land, an area equivalent to the size of the Netherlands, to foreign investors.

Moreover, the TPLF was also able to dominate virtually all sectors of the Ethiopian economy through the companies under its massive conglomerate, the Endowment Fund for the Rehabilitation of Tigray (EFFORT), by far the largest conglomerate in the country. Until recently, EFFORT was administered by Meles’s widow, Azeb Mesfin, and TPLF officials are still board members of the major companies under this conglomerate, which enjoyed access to loans from a financial sector that is dominated by the state-owned Commercial Bank of Ethiopia and Development Bank of Ethiopia.

The TPLF’s dominance was not confined to the economy; it also directly intervened in the selection of the leaders of the major religions, which it regarded as instruments of social control. During the TPLF’s rule, both patriarchs of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, with over 40 million followers in the country, came from Tigray. Its leaders also intervened in selecting Ethiopia’s Islamic Affairs Supreme Council, which was eventually met with resistance from some Muslim activists and leaders, whom the government jailed, leading to widespread protests by Muslims throughout the country in 2012.

Driven by massive investment in infrastructure and the education and health
sectors, mainly financed with foreign aid and loans, the TPLF-led government, with Meles at the helm, oversaw significant economic progress in the country over the nearly three decades it held power. The regime was also authoritarian, frequently jailing opposition politicians and journalists and liberally using its defense and security forces to quell anti-government protests.

Human rights group such as Amnesty International as well as the U.S. State Department frequently accused government security forces of severe human violations, including torture, against members of the opposition parties and individuals suspected of working with groups that were waging armed struggle against the government, such as the Oromo Liberation Front, Ogaden National Liberation Front, and Ginbot 7—one of the major multiethnic parties in the country opposed to the system of ethnic federalism.

Although the United States and the European Union knew of the government’s poor human rights record, the economic progress they saw and Ethiopia’s key role in fighting al-Shabab militants in neighboring Somalia meant that they were reluctant to exert sufficient pressure on the TPLF-led government to undertake democratic reforms, even when government security forces shot and killed hundreds of demonstrators in Addis Ababa in 2005, who were protesting the election results the government claimed to have won. They looked the other way again when the government claimed to have won all seats in the parliament during the last general election in 2015, which opposition parties claimed was rigged.

It was clear for many years that the TPLF’s political dominance could not go on indefinitely. Widespread protests broke out in 2018 in the Oromia and Amhara regions, homes of the two largest ethnic groups in the country, forcing the TPLF-led coalition, the Ethiopian People’s Revolutionary Democratic Front, to replace then-Prime Minister Hailemariam Desalegn, who succeeded Meles following his sudden death in 2012. (Although Hailemariam was from a minority ethnic group in the South, he did not pose a serious threat to the TPLF’s dominance. Abiy does pose such a threat, because he is an ethnic Oromo—the largest ethnic group in Ethiopia.)

This is when the leaders of two parties in the TPLF-led coalition, the Amhara National Democratic Movement and Oromo People’s Democratic Organization, which were hitherto playing second fiddle to the TPLF, secretly decided to join forces and break the TPLF’s hegemony by voting for Abiy as the leader of the coalition, a move that the TPLF leadership didn’t see coming and never forgave.

Since coming to power in 2018, Abiy’s new federal administration has directly threatened the TPLF’s long-standing economic dominance in Ethiopia as a whole by seeking to limit its sphere of influence to the small Tigray region.

Abiy has unveiled or carried out important economic measures that threaten the economic dominance of the leaders of the TPLF. These include his administration’s plan to privatize the state-owned Ethio Telecom, the Ethiopian Sugar Corporation, and companies in the energy sector with assets of over $7 billion.

More recently, the government introduced new currency notes, which, according to the prime minister, are designed to fight corruption and smuggling; some observers noted that this was principally aimed at controlling the money outside the financial system that is held by former government officials and their economic entities that authorities suspect are engaged in illegal trade and illicit activities.

Indeed, on Nov. 17, the federal attorney general announced that the government had frozen the bank accounts of 34 of these companies for funding “ethnic-based attacks and terrorist activities, having links with and providing financial assistance to TPLF, tax avoidance and corruption.”

Abiy’s reforms have also reduced TPLF influence in the security sector. Immediately after taking power, Abiy released thousands of political prisoners and journalists the government had imprisoned, unbanned groups that were waging armed struggles against the Ethiopian government, and signed a peace treaty with Eritrea, with which the TPLF-led government fought a border war that claimed the lives of tens of thousands of soldiers from both sides.

Then he sacked the fearsome and reclusive security chief, Getachew Assefa, and replaced the military chief. He soon began undertaking reforms in the military and security sectors aimed at bringing about more balanced representation of the ethnic groups. This made it clear to TPLF leaders that Abiy posed a serious threat to their long-standing dominance in the Ethiopian armed forces and economy. And they acted to regain control.

On June 23, 2018, nearly three months after Abiy came to power, there was an assassination attempt against him during a rally in Addis Ababa. The government shortly after identified the former TPLF security chief, Getachew, as the mastermind, but he had already fled to the Tigray region. A federal court issued an arrest warrant for him for the attempt and other human right rights violations, but the Tigrayan regional government refused to hand him over. His former deputy, however, was arrested while fleeing security forces.

Since the TPLF lost control of the federal government, the frequency of ethnic-based conflicts in all regional states, except in Tigray, has spiked significantly. While there is deep ethnic rivalry in the country, it does not explain how millions have been displaced; how hundreds of Orthodox Christians and ethnic Amharas living in the South were massacred and their homes, churches, and businesses burned down; how ethnic Amhara students were kidnapped; or how important Oromo figures such as the musician Hachalu Hundessa were killed, sparking protests that led to the deaths of over 150 civilians.

Many of these attacks appear to have been orchestrated and financed by those who lost out from Abiy’s rise to power and the reforms he has been undertaking; they are determined to make the country utterly ungovernable unless they are the ones ruling it. And there is overwhelming consensus that the TPLF’s leaders were the main losers from Abiy’s reforms while also possessing the capacity to plan and carry out such attacks—by employing the financial muscle and security network they built over three decades of political dominance.

It is clear that the current conflict is not over who gets to govern Tigray because the postponement of national and regional elections extended the tenure of the legislative and executive branches of all regional governments in the country, including in Tigray, which is still ruled by the TPLF. Nor is it a clash between federalists and unitarists; Ethiopia’s federal system remains intact, as evidenced by a 10th regional state that was recently created.

Rather, what’s at the heart of the ongoing conflict are Abiy’s economic and political reforms and the unrelenting pace at which they were unveiled—moves that TPLF leaders perceive as unacceptably threatening to the economic and political dominance they have long enjoyed and the considerable influence they still wield across Ethiopia.

That dominance is something the TPLF is willing to fight to preserve, as evidenced by the decision to carry out what a top TPLF official described as a “preemptive strike” against the federal army’s Northern Command, triggering the current conflict. The risk now is that the TPLF’s persistent and increasingly audacious actions could make Abiy’s peaceful reforms impossible and thereby make a violent transition inevitable.

Kassahun Melesse is an assistant professor of applied economics at Oregon State University who lived in Ethiopia for over 25 years.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/11/19/ti ... mic-power/
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Re: What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Post by Aurorae Borealis » 21 Dec 2020, 18:23

Yay,

The answer is very simple. Isayas and Abbiy meeting periodically and checking each other's preparation for war scared the sh===yyt out of them. :lol: They became erratic. 8)

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Re: What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Post by YAY » 21 Dec 2020, 19:07

Dear Aurorae: You may be right but I very much doubt it

I think they were erratic, or could not regain their balanced selves after the war started. The intelligence the Central Government was able to obtain (watching them in live stream) about their movements and the speed of its assaults against them seems to have surprised them, and kept them off-balance, and unable to regain their effective combat structure back. But they were collected, defying and threatening the Federal Government before November 4, 2020. They may have underestimated their adversaries.

It is obvious that they have been preparing for war for sometime, now. The armaments they had were enormous in quality and quantity. Before they incited the war, they were giving out proclamations, in part claiming, that some decisions the Federal Government made amounted to declaring war against Tigraiy, and the Federal Government/State would be responsible for any consequences. I suspect that they were over-confident---i.e. they felt as if they were definitely going to win the war. How else does it make sense otherwise? If they were scared of the Federal Etiyopiyan or Eritrean defense forces, why would they commit a preemptive strike against the Etiyopiyan Northern Command and make it worse for themselves and the people of Tigraiy by doing so?
Aurorae Borealis wrote:
21 Dec 2020, 18:23
Yay,

The answer is very simple. Isayas and Abbiy meeting periodically and checking each other's preparation for war scared the sh===yyt out of them. :lol: They became erratic. 8)

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Re: What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Post by Zmeselo » 21 Dec 2020, 19:24

Who knows, why someone decides to commit suicide?

My take is that they had it so good in Ethiopia proper, living in chigaram Tgray had become unbearable. Like a huge prison & the war was a way to find an outlet for their frustration, combined with the exaggerated belief in their war prowess. They might've been sure to win, especially after putting the northern Command HQ's under their control.

A miscalculation of gargantuan proportions!

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Re: What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Post by sesame » 21 Dec 2020, 22:12

YAY,

You will not succeed to explain the Weyane by using logic alone; you need to delve into the Tigrayan psyche because the psychological factor is the main driving force. There are two aspects of this, the first is inferiority complex and the second is a degenerate culture of lying and thieving and then believing their own lies.

They fought a war in 1998-2000 and sacrificed four of their own divisions, Kibrit, Hayelom, Alula and Hawzen, and over 80,000 Ethiopian soldiers for a total of about 130,000 lives because as both Aboy Sibhat and Gebru Asrat explicitly declared "Eritreans look down upon us." Inferiority complex is a very destructive mental condition and everyone in the TPLF suffered from this malady. As a result of this illness, they could not develop a mutually beneficial and respectful relationship with anyone. Their relationship with everyone in Ethiopia was that of master and servant, whether with the minorities like the Somalis, Afars, Gambelas, and Benishanguls, or the larger nations like the Oromos and Amhara. For the TPLF, the game was a zero-sum game and they could never visualize a win-win situation.

By never ending lies, they came to believe and made every Tigrayan believe, that they are an exceptional people superior to everyone in the neighbourhood. We heard this a million times from every Agame who spoke about it.

The belief of exceptionalism and the desire to be masters was a deadly combination. Their were psychologically deeply wounded when they were kicked out of power, especially because no shots were fired. We heard it many times as to how this has affected them. General Teklebrhan, for example, compared what happened to the TPLF as the destruction of the Japanese by nuclear weapons. Thus, instead of accepting the new realities and living as equals with the rest of Ethiopians, they began to plot a come-back. And believing their own lies that they could easily march into Addis and Asmara, they started a war which ended their miserable life in total ruin.

Most of the TPLF leaders and cadres were slaughtered about two weeks back. But to most Agames, who are still not cured, the war continues in their mind. They cannot comprehend the disaster that has befallen them. So they are in a bizarre race to manufacture as much lies as possible to deny the realities. They claim to be winning and winning big. They claim that they are fighting the whole world. All of these are manifestations of the psychological factors that I have outlined.

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Re: What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Post by Abe Abraham » 22 Dec 2020, 08:34

What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Regain power by creating enough chaos and shaking the Ethiopian state to its core. This was motivated by a combination of Woyane's own logic and wishful thinking.

Woyane's own logic was clearly worded by the statement of Sekou Toré Getachew : " We carried out the preemptive strike because they were anyway coming to get us. "

Wishful thinking :

1) Siyoum Mesfin : " If Tigray is attacked many in Ethiopia wouldn't watch as bystanders". Mesfin believed in the magical power of Woyane from the border war until the very moment that he was talking. He thought he knew the Ethiopian psyche ( easy to mobilize ) very well. ( The problem with wishful thinking is that it could go in your favour as long as you do not wish for rain during a dry season with a clear sky. )

2) Getachew Redda : " As the war drags on the international community could get involved through the security council..... " resulting in a negotiated settlement which paves the way for Woyane to return to power with the involvement of elements of Amahra, Oromo and Biher plus Bihere-seboch. He hoped that Woyane through provocations and brinkmanship could damage the prime-minister Dr Abyot Ahmed Ali and defeat him. They knew that he was a reluctant warrior conscious of the devastating effect of wars.

Why did Woyane want to regain power ? The answer is simple : to regain direct economic power through regaining their previous or close to it political power. Woyane doesn't accept a win-win situation because it perceives it as losing to the other side. In other words they are victims of overwhelming sense of entitlement
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Re: What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Post by ZEMEN » 22 Dec 2020, 09:40

Abe Abraham wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 08:34
What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Regain power by creating enough chaos and shaking the Ethiopian state to its core. This was motivated by a combination of Woyane's own logic and wishful thinking.

Woyane's own logic was clearly worded by the statement of Sekou Toré Getachew : " We carried out the preemptive strike because they were anyway coming to get us. "

Wishful thinking :

1) Siyoum Mesfin : " If Tigray is attacked many in Ethiopia wouldn't watch as bystanders". Mesfin believed in the magical power of Woyane from the border war until the very moment that he was talking. He thought he knew the Ethiopian psyche ( easy to mobilize ) very well. ( The problem with wishful thinking is that it could go in your favour as long as you do not wish for rain during a dry season with a clear sky. )

2) Getachew Redda : " As the war drags on the international community could get involved through the security council..... " resulting in a negotiated settlement which paves the way for Woyane to return to power with the involvement of elements of Amahra, Oromo and Biher plus Bihere-seboch. He hoped that Woyane through provocations and brinkmanship could damage the prime-minister Dr Abyot Ahmed Ali and defeat him. They knew that he was a reluctant warrior conscious of the devastating effect of wars.

Why did Woyane want to regain power ? The answer is simple : to regain direct economic power through regaining their previous or close to it political power. Woyane doesn't accept a win-win situation because it perceives it as losing to the other side. In other words they are victims of overwhelming sense of entitlement
.
I agree with your points but TPLF was counting on mediators. TPLF though once the war is ignited, then to get what they want through Mediators and no one showed up. And Abiy and Isaias they lacked the room and they beat TPLF to death.

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Re: What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Post by Abe Abraham » 22 Dec 2020, 10:01

ZEMEN wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 09:40
Abe Abraham wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 08:34
What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Regain power by creating enough chaos and shaking the Ethiopian state to its core. This was motivated by a combination of Woyane's own logic and wishful thinking.

Woyane's own logic was clearly worded by the statement of Sekou Toré Getachew : " We carried out the preemptive strike because they were anyway coming to get us. "

Wishful thinking :

1) Siyoum Mesfin : " If Tigray is attacked many in Ethiopia wouldn't watch as bystanders". Mesfin believed in the magical power of Woyane from the border war until the very moment that he was talking. He thought he knew the Ethiopian psyche ( easy to mobilize ) very well. ( The problem with wishful thinking is that it could go in your favour as long as you do not wish for rain during a dry season with a clear sky. )

2) Getachew Redda : " As the war drags on the international community could get involved through the security council..... " resulting in a negotiated settlement which paves the way for Woyane to return to power with the involvement of elements of Amahra, Oromo and Biher plus Bihere-seboch. He hoped that Woyane through provocations and brinkmanship could damage the prime-minister Dr Abyot Ahmed Ali and defeat him. They knew that he was a reluctant warrior conscious of the devastating effect of wars.

Why did Woyane want to regain power ? The answer is simple : to regain direct economic power through regaining their previous or close to it political power. Woyane doesn't accept a win-win situation because it perceives it as losing to the other side. In other words they are victims of overwhelming sense of entitlement
.
I agree with your points but TPLF was counting on mediators. TPLF though once the war is ignited, then to get what they want through Mediators and no one showed up. And Abiy and Isaias they lacked the room and they beat TPLF to death.
That is right. They were bold enough to insist on possible mediation in which other parties ( their supposed allies ..bihereseboch, Oromo elements .... ) are also included. In a way to outnumber the government on a round table negotiation. They are crazy and arrogant people. Now they are being hunted. :lol: :lol:

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Re: What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Post by ZEMEN » 22 Dec 2020, 10:16

Abe Abraham wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 10:01
ZEMEN wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 09:40
Abe Abraham wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 08:34
What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Regain power by creating enough chaos and shaking the Ethiopian state to its core. This was motivated by a combination of Woyane's own logic and wishful thinking.

Woyane's own logic was clearly worded by the statement of Sekou Toré Getachew : " We carried out the preemptive strike because they were anyway coming to get us. "

Wishful thinking :

1) Siyoum Mesfin : " If Tigray is attacked many in Ethiopia wouldn't watch as bystanders". Mesfin believed in the magical power of Woyane from the border war until the very moment that he was talking. He thought he knew the Ethiopian psyche ( easy to mobilize ) very well. ( The problem with wishful thinking is that it could go in your favour as long as you do not wish for rain during a dry season with a clear sky. )

2) Getachew Redda : " As the war drags on the international community could get involved through the security council..... " resulting in a negotiated settlement which paves the way for Woyane to return to power with the involvement of elements of Amahra, Oromo and Biher plus Bihere-seboch. He hoped that Woyane through provocations and brinkmanship could damage the prime-minister Dr Abyot Ahmed Ali and defeat him. They knew that he was a reluctant warrior conscious of the devastating effect of wars.

Why did Woyane want to regain power ? The answer is simple : to regain direct economic power through regaining their previous or close to it political power. Woyane doesn't accept a win-win situation because it perceives it as losing to the other side. In other words they are victims of overwhelming sense of entitlement
.
I agree with your points but TPLF was counting on mediators. TPLF though once the war is ignited, then to get what they want through Mediators and no one showed up. And Abiy and Isaias they lacked the room and they beat TPLF to death.
That is right. They were bold enough to insist on possible mediation in which other parties ( their supposed allies ..bihereseboch, Oromo elements .... ) are also included. In a way to outnumber the government on a round table negotiation. They are crazy and arrogant people. Now they are being hunted. :lol: :lol:
What do you going forward with people of Tigray and their mind set. I mean is not easy what TPLF put them through and the agonizing defeat, psychologically and morally simply dejected, are they going to be peaceful and live in harmony are they going to be what they have been, cancer?

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Re: What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Post by Selam/ » 22 Dec 2020, 10:42

Spot on, I couldn’t agree more. Inferiority complex is the underlying factor for their arrogance and erratic behavior, which resulted in their ultimate destruction. No Amhara in history has attempted to destroy the country in the aftermath of power losses. They were expelled, incarcerated, tortured and killed by woyane for three decades and yet their love and commitments to Ethiopia never changed. That alone tells a lot about the amharas psyche. Whereas woyanes cospired to dismantle the country as soon as they were pushed aside from power, not mentioning that has been the pattern all along from their inception. How else one can explain the shameful “we are not Ethiopian” slogan of the Tigray diaspora? I swear, some sort of genetic mutation must have happened at some point in the dry land of the dedebit caves.
sesame wrote:
21 Dec 2020, 22:12
YAY,

You will not succeed to explain the Weyane by using logic alone; you need to delve into the Tigrayan psyche because the psychological factor is the main driving force. There are two aspects of this, the first is inferiority complex and the second is a degenerate culture of lying and thieving and then believing their own lies.

They fought a war in 1998-2000 and sacrificed four of their own divisions, Kibrit, Hayelom, Alula and Hawzen, and over 80,000 Ethiopian soldiers for a total of about 130,000 lives because as both Aboy Sibhat and Gebru Asrat explicitly declared "Eritreans look down upon us." Inferiority complex is a very destructive mental condition and everyone in the TPLF suffered from this malady. As a result of this illness, they could not develop a mutually beneficial and respectful relationship with anyone. Their relationship with everyone in Ethiopia was that of master and servant, whether with the minorities like the Somalis, Afars, Gambelas, and Benishanguls, or the larger nations like the Oromos and Amhara. For the TPLF, the game was a zero-sum game and they could never visualize a win-win situation.

By never ending lies, they came to believe and made every Tigrayan believe, that they are an exceptional people superior to everyone in the neighbourhood. We heard this a million times from every Agame who spoke about it.

The belief of exceptionalism and the desire to be masters was a deadly combination. Their were psychologically deeply wounded when they were kicked out of power, especially because no shots were fired. We heard it many times as to how this has affected them. General Teklebrhan, for example, compared what happened to the TPLF as the destruction of the Japanese by nuclear weapons. Thus, instead of accepting the new realities and living as equals with the rest of Ethiopians, they began to plot a come-back. And believing their own lies that they could easily march into Addis and Asmara, they started a war which ended their miserable life in total ruin.

Most of the TPLF leaders and cadres were slaughtered about two weeks back. But to most Agames, who are still not cured, the war continues in their mind. They cannot comprehend the disaster that has befallen them. So they are in a bizarre race to manufacture as much lies as possible to deny the realities. They claim to be winning and winning big. They claim that they are fighting the whole world. All of these are manifestations of the psychological factors that I have outlined.

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Re: What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Post by Wedi » 22 Dec 2020, 10:49

YAY wrote:
21 Dec 2020, 18:15
What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?
Suicide!! :P :P

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Re: What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Post by Abe Abraham » 22 Dec 2020, 11:11

Wedi wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 10:49
YAY wrote:
21 Dec 2020, 18:15
What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?
Suicide!! :P :P
Suicide is the natural consequence of Woyane's own logic -- as opposed to the logic of a sane person -- and wishful thinking.

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Re: What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Post by YAY » 23 Dec 2020, 01:31

Dear Zmeselo: Did TPLF leaders miscalculate or had intent to commit suicide? Let us explore

Suicide, by definition, means taking your own life intentionally and voluntarily. TPLF' s suicide under what situation? is another question to consider. Are we talking about committing suicide, by their own selves, as individual members of TPLF leaders, group suicide, or political suicide?

Before they decided to abandon Meqele, it seemed that they had the intention of defending their capital city from "invasion". However, I believe it was on November 27, 2020, they announced on their TV that they have changed their style of war from a regular face-to-face war into "popular" (or guerrilla) type of war, and abandoned Meqele. If they had decided to die fighting in defense of Meqele, or end their lives individually or in mass, then, we could have concluded that they had the intention to commit suicide. They did not do so.

Could their attack on the Etiyopiyan Northern Command be taken as a miscalculation, or a political suicide? Before the war, their core slogan was "Our [political/ideological] line is our strength". Not the people of Tigraiy or the members of TPLF, but the line they want to follow. What was that line? Where would that line take them to---i.e. their goal to achieve? Without knowing what their line and goal was, with better certainty, it is hard to say if (from their point of view) they miscalculated or failed to follow their line or were incapable to achieve their goal.

From our point of view, however, inciting war against the Federation (not in defense of Tigraiy' s autonomy/freedom)---an unjust cause--- was the wrong step to take (a miscalculation) and a little short of political suicide, because they compelled everybody (Tigraiyans and other Etiyopiyans) to pick sides in the war, and ultimately, fewer number of people seem to be on TPLF' s side. Going back to guerrilla warfare after holding/sharing power at the center has been tried by Pol Pot/ Khmer Rouge of Cambodia, Jonas Savimbi/UNITA of Angola, or the Taliban of Afghanistan, etc. and they ended up in failures. That seems to be the likely outcome of TPLF' s next guerrilla warfare.
Zmeselo wrote:
21 Dec 2020, 19:24
Who knows, why someone decides to commit suicide?

My take is that they had it so good in Ethiopia proper, living in chigaram Tgray had become unbearable. Like a huge prison & the war was a way to find an outlet for their frustration, combined with the exaggerated belief in their war prowess. They might've been sure to win, especially after putting the northern Command HQ's under their control.

A miscalculation of gargantuan proportions!

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Re: What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Post by Tiago » 23 Dec 2020, 04:05

How amazing.Not a single digital woyane came forward to offer their version of replies.
any way, woyanes are generally thick and can't think properly.

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Re: What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Post by Zmeselo » 23 Dec 2020, 06:29

Dear YAY, I know my statements sound a bit contradictory but I wonder if one miscalculates to this level, isn't considered a form of suicide?

The dilemma for me in reading this junta started, after the death of Meles. He had a huge presence & one could pin any decision taken on him, one way or the other. After his death, I believe Sebhat Nega came forward as a clear leader. I don't see Debretsion as a leader at all, really.

When I saw Sekoture's Interview prior to the takeover of the Northern Command, his confidence in the decision of doing so was very strong. So strong in fact, it was to the level of being arrogant. On the other hand, Siye Abraha & Tsadkan seem to have read the situation correctly and managed to escape in the nick of time.

You raised a very difficult question & I believe the answer lies with Sebhat Nega, why the action was taken. My guess is that it was his decision for the most part, but I might of course be wrong.

YAY wrote:
23 Dec 2020, 01:31
Dear Zmeselo: Did TPLF leaders miscalculate or had intent to commit suicide? Let us explore

Suicide, by definition, means taking your own life intentionally and voluntarily. TPLF' s suicide under what situation? is another question to consider. Are we talking about committing suicide, by their own selves, as individual members of TPLF leaders, group suicide, or political suicide?

Before they decided to abandon Meqele, it seemed that they had the intention of defending their capital city from "invasion". However, I believe it was on November 27, 2020, they announced on their TV that they have changed their style of war from a regular face-to-face war into "popular" (or guerrilla) type of war, and abandoned Meqele. If they had decided to die fighting in defense of Meqele, or end their lives individually or in mass, then, we could have concluded that they had the intention to commit suicide. They did not do so.

Could their attack on the Etiyopiyan Northern Command be taken as a miscalculation, or a political suicide? Before the war, their core slogan was "Our [political/ideological] line is our strength". Not the people of Tigraiy or the members of TPLF, but the line they want to follow. What was that line? Where would that line take them to---i.e. their goal to achieve? Without knowing what their line and goal was, with better certainty, it is hard to say if (from their point of view) they miscalculated or failed to follow their line or were incapable to achieve their goal.

From our point of view, however, inciting war against the Federation (not in defense of Tigraiy' s autonomy/freedom)---an unjust cause--- was the wrong step to take (a miscalculation) and a little short of political suicide, because they compelled everybody (Tigraiyans and other Etiyopiyans) to pick sides in the war, and ultimately, fewer number of people seem to be on TPLF' s side. Going back to guerrilla warfare after holding/sharing power at the center has been tried by Pol Pot/ Khmer Rouge of Cambodia, Jonas Savimbi/UNITA of Angola, or the Taliban of Afghanistan, etc. and they ended up in failures. That seems to be the likely outcome of TPLF' s next guerrilla warfare.
Zmeselo wrote:
21 Dec 2020, 19:24
Who knows, why someone decides to commit suicide?

My take is that they had it so good in Ethiopia proper, living in chigaram Tgray had become unbearable. Like a huge prison & the war was a way to find an outlet for their frustration, combined with the exaggerated belief in their war prowess. They might've been sure to win, especially after putting the northern Command HQ's under their control.

A miscalculation of gargantuan proportions!

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Re: What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Post by sesame » 23 Dec 2020, 07:28

Zmeselo,

It was pure arrogance and ignorance. They were 110% certain that their plan would work. Listen to the interviews of every one who spoke on war in the past two years and the all had absolutely no doubt that it would be a cake walk for them. Look at Tigrayans today, they still think that they are winning. These people have lost all sense of reality and that can only be explained by psychological analysis. Here is an interesting revelation of how deranged they were.

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Re: What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Post by Zmeselo » 23 Dec 2020, 07:53

Got it, brother! They clearly had a very detailed plan, for Eritrea.

My question though still, isn't Siye's & Tsadkan's escape before the start of the conflagration (especially Tsadkan being a "General" and all) a sign of insecurity in the successful completion of the plan? I just can't wrap my head around that one.


sesame wrote:
23 Dec 2020, 07:28
Zmeselo,

It was pure arrogance and ignorance. They were 110% certain that their plan would work. Listen to the interviews of every one who spoke on war in the past two years and the all had absolutely no doubt that it would be a cake walk for them. Look at Tigrayans today, they still think that they are winning. These people have lost all sense of reality and that can only be explained by psychological analysis. Here is an interesting revelation of how deranged they were.

Please wait, video is loading...

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Re: What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Post by Abe Abraham » 23 Dec 2020, 08:14

ZEMEN wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 10:16
Abe Abraham wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 10:01
ZEMEN wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 09:40
Abe Abraham wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 08:34
What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Regain power by creating enough chaos and shaking the Ethiopian state to its core. This was motivated by a combination of Woyane's own logic and wishful thinking.

Woyane's own logic was clearly worded by the statement of Sekou Toré Getachew : " We carried out the preemptive strike because they were anyway coming to get us. "

Wishful thinking :

1) Siyoum Mesfin : " If Tigray is attacked many in Ethiopia wouldn't watch as bystanders". Mesfin believed in the magical power of Woyane from the border war until the very moment that he was talking. He thought he knew the Ethiopian psyche ( easy to mobilize ) very well. ( The problem with wishful thinking is that it could go in your favour as long as you do not wish for rain during a dry season with a clear sky. )

2) Getachew Redda : " As the war drags on the international community could get involved through the security council..... " resulting in a negotiated settlement which paves the way for Woyane to return to power with the involvement of elements of Amahra, Oromo and Biher plus Bihere-seboch. He hoped that Woyane through provocations and brinkmanship could damage the prime-minister Dr Abyot Ahmed Ali and defeat him. They knew that he was a reluctant warrior conscious of the devastating effect of wars.

Why did Woyane want to regain power ? The answer is simple : to regain direct economic power through regaining their previous or close to it political power. Woyane doesn't accept a win-win situation because it perceives it as losing to the other side. In other words they are victims of overwhelming sense of entitlement
.
I agree with your points but TPLF was counting on mediators. TPLF though once the war is ignited, then to get what they want through Mediators and no one showed up. And Abiy and Isaias they lacked the room and they beat TPLF to death.
That is right. They were bold enough to insist on possible mediation in which other parties ( their supposed allies ..bihereseboch, Oromo elements .... ) are also included. In a way to outnumber the government on a round table negotiation. They are crazy and arrogant people. Now they are being hunted. :lol: :lol:
What do you going forward with people of Tigray and their mind set. I mean is not easy what TPLF put them through and the agonizing defeat, psychologically and morally simply dejected, are they going to be peaceful and live in harmony are they going to be what they have been, cancer?
An extremely good question ! In Tigrigna we have a unique word to
describe the condition the Tigrayans are going through and will be going through in the future, for a very long time. It is called 'selelo ". Selelo is not exactly a trauma . A psychiatrist can help you with your traumatic experience and its consequence. Selelo is much more difficult to deal with. If you see people after many years repeating " shaEwiya, shabia, Issaias ( my uncle !) .." then you have met someone with selelo. Example: soldiers who fought against EPLF during the liberation war and jebhawyan. Tigrayans are joining now.

Tigrayans whether they become peaceful ( by embracing Ethiopiawinet, speaking Amharic, giving their children Christian Amharic names ) or violent they will always have a selelo problem. Their last selelo of " wSuE Tigraway " ( victim,despised,humiliated,dehumanized... ) was lifted with the help of Shabo beAl Habo. Selelo is tough. Take it from me. When I was a kid soldiers poisoned my dog. We kept the whole night looking after him. In the morning I went to school and came back and asked our Tigrayan help where the dog was and she told me that he was dead and they had to bury him. I went to his grave which was marked with a cross. I still remember my dog and the selelo is still there. My other selelos were removed with the liberation of Eritrea and other Eritrean achievements under the leadership of President Issaias Afeworki Abraham.

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Re: What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Post by Selam/ » 23 Dec 2020, 10:52

It's indeed pure ignorance and arrogance on TPLF's part. But don't also forget Abiy's huge role here. Most importantly, he masterfully identified their weakness from the get go and used it against them. It's called the art of deception whereby you feed your enemy's inflated ego by appearing weak, unprepared and ill-equipped. By doing so, he lured the cursed TPLF hyenas into traps and prompted them to take misguided and premature actions. It's like a fisherman working it a bit in playing the fish before catching it.

Appearing weak when he's strong and knowing his enemy thoroughly are the two great ways Abiy used to manipulate Woyane's views. Whereas TPLF thugs were wrapped up by the obvious number games: big army, bid armament, big money, big experience, etc. They thought they are superior to the feds and thus they didn't do their homework to correctly assess their opponent's military strength and strategic advantages. But why would they when they always knew that it's the people of Tigray that would bear the sufferings? In their minds, they would harvest the profit if they win and the people on the ground will pay the price if they lose. Why else did they build underground escape route for themselves while their underage militias are fighting above ground? It's in a way a win win situation for them since this is a group that inherently suffers from inferiority complex and can't afford to live under someone else's leadership. But it's dumb and haughty to say the least.


sesame wrote:
23 Dec 2020, 07:28
Zmeselo,

It was pure arrogance and ignorance. They were 110% certain that their plan would work. Listen to the interviews of every one who spoke on war in the past two years and the all had absolutely no doubt that it would be a cake walk for them. Look at Tigrayans today, they still think that they are winning. These people have lost all sense of reality and that can only be explained by psychological analysis. Here is an interesting revelation of how deranged they were.

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Re: What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Post by ZEMEN » 23 Dec 2020, 11:51

Abe Abraham wrote:
23 Dec 2020, 08:14
ZEMEN wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 10:16
Abe Abraham wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 10:01
ZEMEN wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 09:40
Abe Abraham wrote:
22 Dec 2020, 08:34
What was the purpose of TPLF' s war against the Federation?

Regain power by creating enough chaos and shaking the Ethiopian state to its core. This was motivated by a combination of Woyane's own logic and wishful thinking.

Woyane's own logic was clearly worded by the statement of Sekou Toré Getachew : " We carried out the preemptive strike because they were anyway coming to get us. "

Wishful thinking :

1) Siyoum Mesfin : " If Tigray is attacked many in Ethiopia wouldn't watch as bystanders". Mesfin believed in the magical power of Woyane from the border war until the very moment that he was talking. He thought he knew the Ethiopian psyche ( easy to mobilize ) very well. ( The problem with wishful thinking is that it could go in your favour as long as you do not wish for rain during a dry season with a clear sky. )

2) Getachew Redda : " As the war drags on the international community could get involved through the security council..... " resulting in a negotiated settlement which paves the way for Woyane to return to power with the involvement of elements of Amahra, Oromo and Biher plus Bihere-seboch. He hoped that Woyane through provocations and brinkmanship could damage the prime-minister Dr Abyot Ahmed Ali and defeat him. They knew that he was a reluctant warrior conscious of the devastating effect of wars.

Why did Woyane want to regain power ? The answer is simple : to regain direct economic power through regaining their previous or close to it political power. Woyane doesn't accept a win-win situation because it perceives it as losing to the other side. In other words they are victims of overwhelming sense of entitlement
.
I agree with your points but TPLF was counting on mediators. TPLF though once the war is ignited, then to get what they want through Mediators and no one showed up. And Abiy and Isaias they lacked the room and they beat TPLF to death.
That is right. They were bold enough to insist on possible mediation in which other parties ( their supposed allies ..bihereseboch, Oromo elements .... ) are also included. In a way to outnumber the government on a round table negotiation. They are crazy and arrogant people. Now they are being hunted. :lol: :lol:
What do you going forward with people of Tigray and their mind set. I mean is not easy what TPLF put them through and the agonizing defeat, psychologically and morally simply dejected, are they going to be peaceful and live in harmony are they going to be what they have been, cancer?
An extremely good question ! In Tigrigna we have a unique word to
describe the condition the Tigrayans are going through and will be going through in the future, for a very long time. It is called 'selelo ". Selelo is not exactly a trauma . A psychiatrist can help you with your traumatic experience and its consequence. Selelo is much more difficult to deal with. If you see people after many years repeating " shaEwiya, shabia, Issaias ( my uncle !) .." then you have met someone with selelo. Example: soldiers who fought against EPLF during the liberation war and jebhawyan. Tigrayans are joining now.

Tigrayans whether they become peaceful ( by embracing Ethiopiawinet, speaking Amharic, giving their children Christian Amharic names ) or violent they will always have a selelo problem. Their last selelo of " wSuE Tigraway " ( victim,despised,humiliated,dehumanized... ) was lifted with the help of Shabo beAl Habo. Selelo is tough. Take it from me. When I was a kid soldiers poisoned my dog. We kept the whole night looking after him. In the morning I went to school and came back and asked our Tigrayan help where the dog was and she told me that he was dead and they had to bury him. I went to his grave which was marked with a cross. I still remember my dog and the selelo is still there. My other selelos were removed with the liberation of Eritrea and other Eritrean achievements under the leadership of President Issaias Afeworki Abraham.
Do you what is epic? politically speaking, they are exactly where they were 46 years ago. it is shame. it will take, if any a long time before they chin-up. right new, Anget Endidefu tegedewal.

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