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Sudan, Israel agree to normalization, while Egypt looks on with worry

Post by Zmeselo » 24 Oct 2020, 21:27



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Sudan, Israel agree to normalization, while Egypt looks on with worry



By: Mada Masr

https://www.madamasr.com/en/2020/10/23/ ... ith-worry/

October 23, 2020

In a deal that will usher in billions in aid money and potential immunity for top Sudanese military figures, Sudan, Israel and the United States announced the commencement of a gradual normalization process between Sudan and Israel.
The leaders agreed to the normalization of relations between Sudan and Israel and to end the state of belligerence between their nations,
according to a joint statement issued https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... SKBN27827T by the three countries.

Sudan is the third Arab country to normalize relations with Israel in the last two months, following the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain in striking deals.

According to the joint statement, the leaders agreed to begin economic and trade relations, with an initial focus on agriculture. Delegations from each country will meet in the following weeks to negotiate agreements of cooperation in those areas as well as in agriculture technology, aviation, migration issues and other areas, the statement added.

The deal follows a senior US-Israeli delegation to Sudan earlier this week to discuss normalization between the two countries, two senior Sudanese officials told https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump ... SocialFlow the Associated Press on Thursday.

The delegation, which included Ronen Peretz, the acting director-general of Netanyahu’s office, and Brigadier General Miguel Correa, the senior director for Gulf affairs on the US National Security Council, met with General Abdel Fattah al-Burhan, the head of Sudan’s transitional government and a top adviser to Prime Minister Abdalla Hamdok, one of the Sudanese officials told AP.

As the negotiations unfold beyond Egypt, however, Egyptian officials are expressing substantial concerns that the normalization process could see them lose influence in Sudan.

Developments between Sudan and the US were kickstarted earlier this week when US President Donald Trump announced https://www.reuters.com/article/us-suda ... SKBN2742BE that officials in DC and Khartoum had reached an agreement on removing Sudan from the list of state sponsors of terrorism — a designation that dates back to 1993 for the regime of deposed President Omar al-Bashir’s support of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and Hezbollah among other groups. Trade sanctions were lifted in 2017.

As a condition of the deal, Sudan must pay $355 million to compensate US victims and their families of the 1998 Al-Qaeda attacks on US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, in which Sudan was found complicit, US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said on Wednesday. Sudan has long sought to be removed from the State Department’s list of state sponsors of terrorism, which will pave the way for it to seek international aid.

The White House announced https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-st ... ary-sudan/ on Friday that Trump has informed Congress of his intent to formally rescind Sudan’s designation.

Thanking Trump on Twitter, Hamdok on Friday emphasized that Sudan continues to coordinate with the US administration and Congress to complete the process of delisting Sudan.
We look forward to external relations that best serve the interest of our people,
Hamdok wrote.
Everything Trump announced in recent days was agreed upon a while ago at a meeting https://www.reuters.com/article/us-suda ... SKCN26E2AP in the UAE [on September 23], which was attended by delegates of the four countries,
a Sudanese official close to the prime minister tells Mada Masr.
Sudan demanded $3 billion to be delivered in the form of materials, food, medicine and fuel, in exchange for its approval of normalization, and the UAE, playing the mediating role, offered to pay $600 million [toward general aid].
According to an Egyptian source informed of the negotiations, Hamdok initially balked at including normalization with Israel in the deal, but later accepted when the UAE and the US increased the amount of aid that they would grant Sudan — money that is vital to help prop up the country’s struggling economy and Hamdok’s development https://www.reuters.com/article/us-suda ... SKCN1VE0QZ plans.

At least one demonstrator was shot dead and more than two dozen others wounded in Khartoum, according to the Central Committee of Sudan Doctors, in demonstrations https://apnews.com/article/sudan-omar-a ... 0f5486408e on Wednesday over the dire living conditions in the country.

The source close to Hamdok adds that the prime minister had been insisting that normalization occur in a gradual process over a period of up to two years.

Hamdok struck a similar note previously, having told Pompeo in an August meeting https://www.reuters.com/article/us-suda ... SKBN25L0XE in Khartoum that the transitional government
was not mandated to normalize ties with Israel,
indicating such a move should come after a democratically elected government is installed.

However, the prime minister seems to be less worried about the potential blowback such a decision would now have. According to the Sudanese official, Hamdok has told those close to him that the leaders in the Freedom and Change Coalition, the umbrella civilian body that championed the revolution and led talks with the military to form the transitional government, have become more flexible and that they will not take a strong stance against the deal as they would have before.

During a meeting at the beginning of October to discuss normalization with Israel, Sudanese Ambassador to the United States Noureddin Satti told assembled Sudanese political leaders in the US that
the prime minister stands behind the normalization and considers it a good step, but there is a strong desire to gradually accomplish it during the transitional period, which Hamdok supports,
according to the source who attended the meeting.

Satti, the source adds, has played a key role in facilitating discussions with the US administration.

Sudan is on a fragile path to democracy fraught with divisions between the military and civilian wings of the transitional government installed after a popular uprising last year led the military to oust Omar al-Bashir. Elections have been discussed as possible in late 2022.

While the aid money will prove vital to prop up Sudan’s faltering economy, the military wing of the government, particularly Burhan and MohamedHemedtiHamdan Dagalo, is looking to normalization to avoid prosecution by the International Criminal Court in connection to the Bashir government’s war crimes and genocide in Darfur.

According to the informed Egyptian source, Pompeo informed Burhan that there would be strong US pressure to exempt Hemedti and Burhan from any ICC prosecution.

During a visit to Sudan this week, ICC prosecutor Fatou Bensouda was photographed shaking the hand of Hemedti, who helmed militias that carried out a scorched-earth policy in Darfur at the behest of Bashir and was such a prominent figure in the Darfur war crimes that he featured in the 2008 ICC request to arrest Bashir.

While the Trump administration may look at rapprochement between Sudan and Israel as a feather in its cap ahead of the upcoming presidential elections that sees the current US president lagging behind his opponent Joe Biden in national polls, Egypt is looking more askance at the developments.
There is a certain unease among some circles of power in Cairo over the development,
says the informed Egyptian source, as a rapprochement with Sudan would allow Israel to establish relief organizations across Sudan, giving it significant influence in the country.

There is also a concern that Israel would pursue water-intensive projects in Sudan as it has in Ethiopia, https://landmatrix.org/data/by-investor ... ?order_by= the source adds.

In recent days, there have been several Sudanese delegations visiting Cairo to update Egyptian officials on the negotiations with Israel, according to a second Sudanese official.

Nonetheless, an Egyptian official close to the official corridors of power agrees with the assessment of unease, saying that Egypt is
extremely disturbed about the second wave of normalization
following Israel’s normalization agreements https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-isra ... KKBN2660LB with the UAE and Bahrain in the last two months.
Egypt has not been informed enough nor reassured enough about what this deal will mean,
the official says.

Egypt has historically been the main interlocutor with Israel over the past 40 years, ever since it became the first Arab country to establish formal diplomatic ties with Israel following the 1979 Camp David peace treaty. Over the last decade, Egypt’s influence in the region has waned, with the UAE and Saudi Arabia emerging as the top regional power brokers. The UAE’s decision to normalize relations with Israel, followed by Bahrain — with the blessing of Saudi Arabia — risks further marginalizing Cairo’s influence in the region.

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Re: Sudan, Israel agree to normalization, while Egypt looks on with worry

Post by Afdeyu » 24 Oct 2020, 21:47

Great news! Saudi is next

This is bad news to Jihadi Tariq

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Re: Sudan, Israel agree to normalization, while Egypt looks on with worry

Post by Zmeselo » 25 Oct 2020, 12:21

The Ben Shapiro Show: Jared Kushner



:lol: 50cent, being reminded that he's black:


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Re: Sudan, Israel agree to normalization, while Egypt looks on with worry

Post by Dawi » 25 Oct 2020, 14:21

Zmeselo wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 12:21
The Ben Shapiro Show: Jared Kushner

It is an interesting interview! Zmeselo here is between a rock and hard place! That's why he can't comment! I shall do it for him! :P

Jared seems to have a lot of sense. Understanding him and the President shall help us in how to deal with our issues.

Jared's approach to middle east with Israel under President Trump is out of the box. They've made some progress in that area while seemingly putting Ethiopia under the bus, so to speak.

Egypt being nervous of the fact that Israel is coming to Sudan to obviously start investments in agriculture where Sudan has huge potential makes Ethiopia even more vital to Sudan. GERD is going to make a difference there! How is it then an irrelevant Egypt going to bomb it?

So, the chance of bombing GERD by Egypt is very unlikely; not only because Ethiopians will make hell loose for Egypt for the rest of their miserable lives if they bomb but, both Sudan & Israel won't approve her to do that. It is better for them to come to some kind of terms with us; we won't harm our neighbors.


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Re: Sudan, Israel agree to normalization, while Egypt looks on with worry

Post by Zmeselo » 25 Oct 2020, 14:32



France recalls Turkey envoy after Erdogan says Macron needs 'mental check'

Published 16 hours ago

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-54678826


Emmanuel Macron in front of Samuel Paty's coffin
IMAGE COPYRIGHT REUTERS Mr Macron has hailed Samuel Paty, who was beheaded for showing cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad, as "the face of the Republic"


France has recalled its ambassador to Turkey for consultations after President Recep Tayyip Erdogan insulted his French counterpart Emmanuel Macron.

He said Mr Macron needed a mental health check for pledging to defend secular values and fight radical Islam.

Mr Macron has spoken out forcefully on these issues after a French teacher was murdered for showing cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad in class.

France
will not give up our cartoons,
he said earlier this week.

Depictions of the Prophet Muhammad can cause serious offence to Muslims because Islamic tradition explicitly forbids images of Muhammad and Allah (God).

But state secularism - or laïcité - is central to France's national identity. Curbing freedom of expression to protect the feelings of one particular community, the state says, undermines the country's unity.

Responding to Mr Macron's campaign to defend such values - which began before the teacher was murdered - Mr Erdogan asked in a speech:
What's the problem of the individual called Macron with Islam and with the Muslims?
He added:
Macron needs treatment on a mental level.

What else can be said to a head of state who does not understand freedom of belief and who behaves in this way to millions of people living in his country who are members of a different faith?
In the wake of the remarks, a French presidential official told AFP news agency that France's ambassador to Turkey was being recalled for consultations, and would be meeting Mr Macron.
President Erdogan's comments are unacceptable. Excess and rudeness are not a method. We demand that Erdogan change the course of his policy because it is dangerous in every respect,
the official was quoted as saying.

Erodgan is a pious Muslim who has sought to move Islam into Turkey's mainstream politics since his Islamist-rooted AK Party came to power in 2002.


Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan attends a news conferenceIMAGE COPYRIGHTREUTERS President Erdogan said: "Macron needs treatment at a mental level"

The diplomatic spat is latest issue to strain relations between France and Turkey, who are allies under Nato but disagree on a range of geo-political issues, including the civil wars in Syria and Libya, and the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan over disputed Nagorno-Karabakh.

Seven people, including two students, have been charged over the beheading of French teacher Samuel Paty on 16 October near Paris. His killer, 18-year-old Abdullakh Anzorov, was shot dead by police shortly after the attack, which took place near Mr Paty's school.

[Embedded video: Rallies in Paris, Toulouse, Lyon and other French cities in support of Samuel Paty]

In 2015, 12 people were killed in an attack on the offices of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo. The publication was targeted by extremists for publishing cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

Earlier this month, Mr Macron described Islam as a religion "in crisis," and announced plans for tougher laws to tackle what he called "Islamist separatism" in France.

He said a minority of France's estimated six million Muslims were in danger of forming a "counter-society".

Some in Western Europe's largest Muslim community have accused Mr Macron of trying to repress their religion and say his campaign risks legitimising Islamophobia.

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Re: Sudan, Israel agree to normalization, while Egypt looks on with worry

Post by Zmeselo » 25 Oct 2020, 14:53

I've no idea, what you're blabbering about. If Ethiopia under Abyi comes out a winner from all this, I'm all for it. It's you lot, who desperately want Abyi to fail.


Dawi wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 14:21
Zmeselo wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 12:21
The Ben Shapiro Show: Jared Kushner

It is an interesting interview! Zmeselo here is between a rock and hard place! That's why he can't comment! I shall do it for him! :P

Jared seems to have a lot of sense. Understanding him and the President shall help us in how to deal with our issues.

Jared's approach to middle east with Israel under President Trump is out of the box. They've made some progress in that area while seemingly putting Ethiopia under the bus, so to speak.

Egypt being nervous of the fact that Israel is coming to Sudan to obviously start investments in agriculture where Sudan has huge potential makes Ethiopia even more vital to Sudan. GERD is going to make a difference there! How is it then an irrelevant Egypt going to bomb it?

So, the chance of bombing GERD by Egypt is very unlikely; not only because Ethiopians will make hell loose for Egypt for the rest of their miserable lives if they bomb but, both Sudan & Israel won't approve her to do that. It is better for them to come to some kind of terms with us; we won't harm our neighbors.


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Re: Sudan, Israel agree to normalization, while Egypt looks on with worry

Post by Dawi » 25 Oct 2020, 16:38

Zmeselo wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 14:53
I've no idea, what you're blabbering about. If Ethiopia under Abyi comes out a winner from all this, I'm all for it. It's you lot, who desperately want Abyi to fail.

I share your pain!

As a Shaebia rodent, you're promoting the republicans stuff here; worried to death your boss may end up dealing with his night mare Dr. Susan Rice after the election again! Coupled with European law suit? Isu may choke! I do share your pain!

Calm down, don't take me wrong, I am with you in supporting Dr. Abiy/Isu these days!

Fuk MLLT!

Zmeselo wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 14:53
Dawi wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 14:21
Zmeselo wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 12:21
The Ben Shapiro Show: Jared Kushner

It is an interesting interview! Zmeselo here is between a rock and hard place! That's why he can't comment! I shall do it for him! :P

Jared seems to have a lot of sense. Understanding him and the President shall help us in how to deal with our issues.

Jared's approach to middle east with Israel under President Trump is out of the box. They've made some progress in that area while seemingly putting Ethiopia under the bus, so to speak.

Egypt being nervous of the fact that Israel is coming to Sudan to obviously start investments in agriculture where Sudan has huge potential makes Ethiopia even more vital to Sudan. GERD is going to make a difference there! How is it then an irrelevant Egypt going to bomb it?

So, the chance of bombing GERD by Egypt is very unlikely; not only because Ethiopians will make hell loose for Egypt for the rest of their miserable lives if they bomb but, both Sudan & Israel won't approve her to do that. It is better for them to come to some kind of terms with us; we won't harm our neighbors.


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Re: Sudan, Israel agree to normalization, while Egypt looks on with worry

Post by Zmeselo » 26 Oct 2020, 00:53

Yeah it's always painful losing braincells, talking to a moron.

Susan Rice is as hated in Ethiopia as she's in Eritrea, after her eulogy for your dead midget!


Dawi wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 16:38
Zmeselo wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 14:53
I've no idea, what you're blabbering about. If Ethiopia under Abyi comes out a winner from all this, I'm all for it. It's you lot, who desperately want Abyi to fail.

I share your pain!

As a Shaebia rodent, you're promoting the republicans stuff here; worried to death your boss may end up dealing with his night mare Dr. Susan Rice after the election again! Coupled with European law suit? Isu may choke! I do share your pain!

Calm down, don't take me wrong, I am with you in supporting Dr. Abiy/Isu these days!

Fuk MLLT!

Zmeselo wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 14:53
Dawi wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 14:21
Zmeselo wrote:
25 Oct 2020, 12:21
The Ben Shapiro Show: Jared Kushner

It is an interesting interview! Zmeselo here is between a rock and hard place! That's why he can't comment! I shall do it for him! :P

Jared seems to have a lot of sense. Understanding him and the President shall help us in how to deal with our issues.

Jared's approach to middle east with Israel under President Trump is out of the box. They've made some progress in that area while seemingly putting Ethiopia under the bus, so to speak.

Egypt being nervous of the fact that Israel is coming to Sudan to obviously start investments in agriculture where Sudan has huge potential makes Ethiopia even more vital to Sudan. GERD is going to make a difference there! How is it then an irrelevant Egypt going to bomb it?

So, the chance of bombing GERD by Egypt is very unlikely; not only because Ethiopians will make hell loose for Egypt for the rest of their miserable lives if they bomb but, both Sudan & Israel won't approve her to do that. It is better for them to come to some kind of terms with us; we won't harm our neighbors.


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Re: Sudan, Israel agree to normalization, while Egypt looks on with worry

Post by Dawi » 26 Oct 2020, 02:19

Zmeselo wrote:
26 Oct 2020, 00:53
Yeah it's always painful losing braincells, talking to a moron.

Susan Rice is as hated in Ethiopia as she's in Eritrea, after her eulogy for your dead midget!
Hated by who?

Dr. Susan's Ethiopianist views has always been revered by Ethiopians! She despises your kind of greedy African secessionists. She is not impressed by your true love of prime real-estate! Nothing more!

You don't even acknowledge what Isu has today, that Eritrea has turned to an empty space. On the other hand, as we speak, many of you like to share Ethiopia but, want to keep Eritrea separate to yourselves. Setting the two countries up for another round of hostilities! I have no doubt you'll continue doing that until the last man standing in Asmera! :twisted:

Having said that, with all his draw backs, there was no question Meles had a "world class mind"; yes, his party has brought its share of damage to country; Isu/EPLF is not scot free! They're both responsible.

S. Ambassador to the United Nations, Susan Rice, said she enjoyed a close relationship with Meles. Rice praised him for what she called his “world-class mind,” but said they sometimes “profoundly disagreed” on issues including human rights and foreign policy.

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Re: Sudan, Israel agree to normalization, while Egypt looks on with worry

Post by Zmeselo » 26 Oct 2020, 08:41

I bet every oromo, amara, somali etc... cringes terribly hearing this cràp!




Dawi wrote:
26 Oct 2020, 02:19
Zmeselo wrote:
26 Oct 2020, 00:53
Yeah it's always painful losing braincells, talking to a moron.

Susan Rice is as hated in Ethiopia as she's in Eritrea, after her eulogy for your dead midget!
Hated by who?

Dr. Susan's Ethiopianist views has always been revered by Ethiopians! She despises your kind of greedy African secessionists. She is not impressed by your true love of prime real-estate! Nothing more!

You don't even acknowledge what Isu has today, that Eritrea has turned to an empty space. On the other hand, as we speak, many of you like to share Ethiopia but, want to keep Eritrea separate to yourselves. Setting the two countries up for another round of hostilities! I have no doubt you'll continue doing that until the last man standing in Asmera! :twisted:

Having said that, with all his draw backs, there was no question Meles had a "world class mind"; yes, his party has brought its share of damage to country; Isu/EPLF is not scot free! They're both responsible.

S. Ambassador to the United Nations, Susan Rice, said she enjoyed a close relationship with Meles. Rice praised him for what she called his “world-class mind,” but said they sometimes “profoundly disagreed” on issues including human rights and foreign policy.

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Re: Sudan, Israel agree to normalization, while Egypt looks on with worry

Post by lil kogne » 26 Oct 2020, 08:54

It is a double whammy for the Sudan. It gets it self taken out of the terrorist list of the USA black book and immerse it self in to a relationship with another terrorist state. Israel is no different than Iran and Turkey. It is belligerent state who has no value of human rights and has no respect for the UN. Although the UN is mainly the USA. It has aliened it self with the countries who does not give a crap about anything but their interest. By doing so, it is distancing it self from the Arabs who has been helping it through it's tough times. The Saud and Emirates are tactical allays of the USA for just to get hold of modern armaments. It would have been easier for the Sudan to stay Neutral at this tough time. it is like a new nation right now and there was no need for hasty normalization with the evil nation.

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