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የአባቶቻቸውን ሀይማኖት የጠሉት ኮ/ል አብይ አህመድ አሊ እና አቶ ደመቀ መኮንን ሐሰን የአያታቸው ሚንሊክን ፓለቲካ እንዴት ወደዱ?

Post by AbebeB » 16 Oct 2020, 14:33

የአባቶቻቸውን ሀይማኖት የጠሉት ኮ/ል አብይ አህመድ አሊ እና አቶ ደመቀ መኮንን ሐሰን የአያታቸው ሚንሊክን ፓለቲካ እንዴት ወደዱ?

ኮ/ል አብይ አህመድ አሊ
አቶ ደመቀ መኮንን ሐሰን


በአባቶቻቸው በኩል ከሙስሊሙ እምነት ተከታይ የህ/ሰባችን ክፍል የመጡ ሲሆን የሚከተሉት ግን የኦርቶዶክስ ተዋሂዶ ሀይማኖት (የደብተራ ወንጌል) እና የብልጽግና ወንገል ነው፡፡ ነገር ግን የሚከተሉት የፓለቲካ ሥርዓት ግን የተመሰረተው በሚንሊክ ቅኝ ገዥ ላይ ነው፡፡ ስለዚህ አነዚህ ሁለቱ ሰዎች ከኦሮሞነት መሸሽ የተያያዙት በአማራ እናታቸው ቅኝት ስለአደጉ የኦሮሞ የሆነውን ጠልተው እምዬ ሚንልክንና የአማራን ሀይማት መረጡ ማለት ነው፡፡

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Re: የአባቶቻቸውን ሀይማኖት የጠሉት ኮ/ል አብይ አህመድ አሊ እና አቶ ደመቀ መኮንን ሐሰን የአያታቸው ሚንሊክን ፓለቲካ እንዴት ወደዱ?

Post by Dawi » 16 Oct 2020, 16:03

AbebeB wrote:
16 Oct 2020, 14:33
የአባቶቻቸውን ሀይማኖት የጠሉት ኮ/ል አብይ አህመድ አሊ እና አቶ ደመቀ መኮንን ሐሰን የአያታቸው ሚንሊክን ፓለቲካ እንዴት ወደዱ?

ኮ/ል አብይ አህመድ አሊ
አቶ ደመቀ መኮንን ሐሰን


በአባቶቻቸው በኩል ከሙስሊሙ እምነት ተከታይ የህ/ሰባችን ክፍል የመጡ ሲሆን የሚከተሉት ግን የኦርቶዶክስ ተዋሂዶ ሀይማኖት (የደብተራ ወንጌል) እና የብልጽግና ወንገል ነው፡፡ ነገር ግን የሚከተሉት የፓለቲካ ሥርዓት ግን የተመሰረተው በሚንሊክ ቅኝ ገዥ ላይ ነው፡፡ ስለዚህ አነዚህ ሁለቱ ሰዎች ከኦሮሞነት መሸሽ የተያያዙት በአማራ እናታቸው ቅኝት ስለአደጉ የኦሮሞ የሆነውን ጠልተው እምዬ ሚንልክንና የአማራን ሀይማት መረጡ ማለት ነው፡፡
የአያታቸው ሚንሊክን ፓለቲካ እንዴት ወደዱ? The following is more or less the reason why:

• Ethiopia was not an invention by Emperor Menelik II. It is the most ancient nation-state, whose civilization predates almost every modern nation- state in Africa, Europe and Asia. Emperor Menilek simply completed the process of re-unification that began long before him, with Emperors Tewodros II, TekleHaimanot, and Yohannes the IV. These rulers were well-aware that they failed to restore the entire Ethiopia’s historical domains, having lost considerable portion to the European colonial conquerors. However, they did neither conquer nor acquire new lands beyond bringing together the two families, the north and the south, separated from each other for a short while due to the weakening of the central authority.


• Each of these emperors was supported by admirably able and talented generals, such as Ras Alula from Tegray, Ras Dareso from Gojam, Ras Gobena from Shawa, and Ras Makonnen of Harar, known as the four cornerstones of the Resurgent Ethiopia.

• Each of these rulers were of multi-ethnic background, so too were their leading generals as well as their armies.

• Unlike most of the nations of the world, where the core group in the central government forcefully imposed its creed and culture by destroying that of the periphery, Ethiopia, throughout its history, has always been a multi-ethnic, and a multi-religious nation-state, with a variety of life-styles, ranging from the Oromo pastoralists to sedentary population, specializing in diverse professions.

᎐ Contrary to other civilizations, the central government in Ethiopia never attempted to impose its worldview, or one specific ethnic identity, or culture. That is the only reason why in one of the oldest nation-states in the world (Ethiopia), there are still even today so many languages, ethnic groups, religions, and professions, and the people are the most hybrid, and the most tolerant in the world until, unfortunately, these crypto-ethnicists showed up, surprisingly quite unexpectedly.

• That Emperor Menilek II expropriated lands during the re-unification process and gave them to the Amharas is a gigantic myth, perpetuated by those who are ignorant of Ethiopian social milieu. .... To start with, Menilek’s army was multi-ethnic, the Oromo ethnic groups being its largest component, and its greatest beneficiary too, because they filled most of the administrative and military’s highest ranks. Both of Menilek’s policies, i. e. reunification and administration, have won deep admiration of the world’s renown writers, academics, statesmen, and the Europeans in his court, or those who accompanied him in his reunification campaign, and even his deadly enemies were no exception in admiring his leadership qualities. Contrary to the malicious portray by these crypto-ethnicists, these world renown personalities describe Menilek II as personifying the epitome of wisdom, and foresightedness, and as an exemplary to any civilized world.

• Ethiopians spoke and learnt Amharic, not because they were of Amhara ethnic groups (a thing that exists only in the minds of these writers). Amharic has been Ethiopia’s national language since time immemorial and every European traveler, or visitor (since the Middle Ages), attests this basic fact, that Amharic was spoken throughout the Ethiopian nation-state. Though only an elementary knowledge is needed to establish this fact, these writers however, the highest level of their education notwithstanding, seem incapable to tell the difference between ethnicity and the lingua franca of a country. It had become the dominant language not because imposed by the Amhara ruling class (which in reality hardly existed except in the imagination of these confused and ill-bred, and ill-educated narrow ethno-nationalists), but because the Ethiopian people found it to be the best and the ideal. It may have some remote connection with the region anciently known as Amhara, an area known as a melting pot of many cultures and religions, a true embodiment of actualEthiopia itself. Reliable studies suggest that no single ethnic group may own it, as it is a language developed largely as a result of pidginization and creolization out of several Ethiopian languages, and ethnic groups, in the style of Hausa, Swahili and the creole languages. It is indisputably rich, fluid, elastic, and sophisticated with no parallel in any Ethiopian languages and, in fact, most of the world’s languages. It is a language of Wax and Gold that one expects only from the Ethiopians, people endowed with pregnant wit and creative genius.

• The idea that people were forced to abandon their language and culture exists only in the fancy world of these writers’ imagination. If the Ethiopian government did not promote or encourage the study and learning of each ethnic group’s language, history or culture, it does not require great imagination to find out that the problem lies elsewhere: the country’s infant and struggling modern economy (with no potential to fund even the most basics), is responsible, and not politics. As someone born in the south, I would advise these writers to stop from patronizing the Southerners, by trying to be their spokespersons, or meddling in the affairs of, other Ethiopians. I am sure none of them want you to be their Moses. Just speak to your wretched self.

....... Gada system, presenting to the naïve and unsuspecting westerners as an indigenous egalitarian democratic system, which in truth is a socio-political institution that is inherently criminal and terroristic with in-built genocidal features. We know from the history books, written by both locals and foreigners alike, that the Gada system is responsible for wiping out the whole gamut of civilizations from the face of Ethiopia by levelling to the ground cities, villages, and destroying cultures with its wanton and wholesale massacre of their innocent inhabitants, including children and pregnant women, cutting genitals, breasts and heads as trophies to feed and satisfy the exalted heroism of each successive Luba generation, which is naturally bent in outdoing its predecessor in savagery and barbaric cruelty.

Ethiopia and Menilek respected the time-honored cultures and languages of every ethnic group, whereas the Gada system obliterated them completely from the face of the earth, imposing, through mechanisms known as Gabar, Garba, Gudifacha or Mogasa, an Oromo identity, and reducing the entire population to a status that was not better, actually worse,than slavery. Idealizing this cruel and genocidal system as democratic is tantamount to glorifying Hitlerian Nazism or Southern USA Jim Crows as the highest manifestation of humankind’s political advancement. These intellectuals, instead of being ashamed of, or condemning it in the strongest term possible, or campaigning for a total banishment of what actually is a naked barbarism and anti-civilization, are actually and unashamedly trying to describe it in grandiose terms as being the sublime manifestation of Oromo society’s premature advancement in the art of governance.


Taken from: Address to the Oromo Intellectuals’ || Professor Haile M. Larebo
August 25, 2019

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Re: የአባቶቻቸውን ሀይማኖት የጠሉት ኮ/ል አብይ አህመድ አሊ እና አቶ ደመቀ መኮንን ሐሰን የአያታቸው ሚንሊክን ፓለቲካ እንዴት ወደዱ?

Post by sun » 16 Oct 2020, 18:31

AbebeB wrote:
16 Oct 2020, 14:33
የአባቶቻቸውን ሀይማኖት የጠሉት ኮ/ል አብይ አህመድ አሊ እና አቶ ደመቀ መኮንን ሐሰን የአያታቸው ሚንሊክን ፓለቲካ እንዴት ወደዱ?

ኮ/ል አብይ አህመድ አሊ
አቶ ደመቀ መኮንን ሐሰን


በአባቶቻቸው በኩል ከሙስሊሙ እምነት ተከታይ የህ/ሰባችን ክፍል የመጡ ሲሆን የሚከተሉት ግን የኦርቶዶክስ ተዋሂዶ ሀይማኖት (የደብተራ ወንጌል) እና የብልጽግና ወንገል ነው፡፡ ነገር ግን የሚከተሉት የፓለቲካ ሥርዓት ግን የተመሰረተው በሚንሊክ ቅኝ ገዥ ላይ ነው፡፡ ስለዚህ አነዚህ ሁለቱ ሰዎች ከኦሮሞነት መሸሽ የተያያዙት በአማራ እናታቸው ቅኝት ስለአደጉ የኦሮሞ የሆነውን ጠልተው እምዬ ሚንልክንና የአማራን ሀይማት መረጡ ማለት ነው፡፡
Hmm... :P

That exactly is one of the questions here which can be understood by high IQ visionary leaders of the 21st new century like PM Dr. Abiyy and deputy PM Demeke Mekonnen while seemingly your own low IQ tplf oligarch cadres needs to mature and come to understand the logic of the matter you are wondering about and become obedient to the law of the land and the government that leads.

Why should they inherit their father's medieval patriarchal oppressive religion if they feel like not needing it since they are living their own separate lives in a different century with the modern new age democratic progressive humanist religion?

Their being from mixed families is the most gracious gift because they own all the best of the two worlds rather than being limited with all the restrictions and medieval chauvinism of being hands and legs chained to a single chest pumping and self congratulating ethnocentrism buffoonery you love to drum about non stop. Healthy nationalism and the ethnocentrism that is based on healthy nationalism is good up to a point while becoming utterly divisive and unhealthy when it cross cultural borders and attacks other's choices and healthy view points.

As a matter of fact why don't you ask from your mentor tplf oligarchs as to why they have forgotten the traditions, values and religions of their fathers and mothers instead choosing money and power as their sole religion and dear and near values? :roll:

What you should learn to do is to respect your own choices as well as learning to respect the choices of others. Okay? Okay!
:lol: :lol:

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Post by AbebeB » 16 Oct 2020, 20:25

Dawi wrote:
16 Oct 2020, 16:03
AbebeB wrote:
16 Oct 2020, 14:33
የአባቶቻቸውን ሀይማኖት የጠሉት ኮ/ል አብይ አህመድ አሊ እና አቶ ደመቀ መኮንን ሐሰን የአያታቸው ሚንሊክን ፓለቲካ እንዴት ወደዱ?

ኮ/ል አብይ አህመድ አሊ
አቶ ደመቀ መኮንን ሐሰን


በአባቶቻቸው በኩል ከሙስሊሙ እምነት ተከታይ የህ/ሰባችን ክፍል የመጡ ሲሆን የሚከተሉት ግን የኦርቶዶክስ ተዋሂዶ ሀይማኖት (የደብተራ ወንጌል) እና የብልጽግና ወንገል ነው፡፡ ነገር ግን የሚከተሉት የፓለቲካ ሥርዓት ግን የተመሰረተው በሚንሊክ ቅኝ ገዥ ላይ ነው፡፡ ስለዚህ አነዚህ ሁለቱ ሰዎች ከኦሮሞነት መሸሽ የተያያዙት በአማራ እናታቸው ቅኝት ስለአደጉ የኦሮሞ የሆነውን ጠልተው እምዬ ሚንልክንና የአማራን ሀይማት መረጡ ማለት ነው፡፡
የአያታቸው ሚንሊክን ፓለቲካ እንዴት ወደዱ? The following is more or less the reason why:


P1• Ethiopia was not an invention by Emperor Menelik II. It is the most ancient nation-state, whose civilization predates almost every modern nation- state in Africa, Europe and Asia. Emperor Menilek simply completed the process of re-unification that began long before him, with Emperors Tewodros II, TekleHaimanot, and Yohannes the IV. These rulers were well-aware that they failed to restore the entire Ethiopia’s historical domains, having lost considerable portion to the European colonial conquerors. However, they did neither conquer nor acquire new lands beyond bringing together the two families, the north and the south, separated from each other for a short while due to the weakening of the central authority.


P2• Each of these emperors was supported by admirably able and talented generals, such as Ras Alula from Tegray, Ras Dareso from Gojam, Ras Gobena from Shawa, and Ras Makonnen of Harar, known as the four cornerstones of the Resurgent Ethiopia.

P3• Each of these rulers were of multi-ethnic background, so too were their leading generals as well as their armies.

P4• Unlike most of the nations of the world, where the core group in the central government forcefully imposed its creed and culture by destroying that of the periphery, Ethiopia, throughout its history, has always been a multi-ethnic, and a multi-religious nation-state, with a variety of life-styles, ranging from the Oromo pastoralists to sedentary population, specializing in diverse professions.

P5᎐ Contrary to other civilizations, the central government in Ethiopia never attempted to impose its worldview, or one specific ethnic identity, or culture. That is the only reason why in one of the oldest nation-states in the world (Ethiopia), there are still even today so many languages, ethnic groups, religions, and professions, and the people are the most hybrid, and the most tolerant in the world until, unfortunately, these crypto-ethnicists showed up, surprisingly quite unexpectedly.

P6• That Emperor Menilek II expropriated lands during the re-unification process and gave them to the Amharas is a gigantic myth, perpetuated by those who are ignorant of Ethiopian social milieu. .... To start with, Menilek’s army was multi-ethnic, the Oromo ethnic groups being its largest component, and its greatest beneficiary too, because they filled most of the administrative and military’s highest ranks. Both of Menilek’s policies, i. e. reunification and administration, have won deep admiration of the world’s renown writers, academics, statesmen, and the Europeans in his court, or those who accompanied him in his reunification campaign, and even his deadly enemies were no exception in admiring his leadership qualities. Contrary to the malicious portray by these crypto-ethnicists, these world renown personalities describe Menilek II as personifying the epitome of wisdom, and foresightedness, and as an exemplary to any civilized world.

P7• Ethiopians spoke and learnt Amharic, not because they were of Amhara ethnic groups (a thing that exists only in the minds of these writers). Amharic has been Ethiopia’s national language since time immemorial and every European traveler, or visitor (since the Middle Ages), attests this basic fact, that Amharic was spoken throughout the Ethiopian nation-state. Though only an elementary knowledge is needed to establish this fact, these writers however, the highest level of their education notwithstanding, seem incapable to tell the difference between ethnicity and the lingua franca of a country. It had become the dominant language not because imposed by the Amhara ruling class (which in reality hardly existed except in the imagination of these confused and ill-bred, and ill-educated narrow ethno-nationalists), but because the Ethiopian people found it to be the best and the ideal. It may have some remote connection with the region anciently known as Amhara, an area known as a melting pot of many cultures and religions, a true embodiment of actualEthiopia itself. Reliable studies suggest that no single ethnic group may own it, as it is a language developed largely as a result of pidginization and creolization out of several Ethiopian languages, and ethnic groups, in the style of Hausa, Swahili and the creole languages. It is indisputably rich, fluid, elastic, and sophisticated with no parallel in any Ethiopian languages and, in fact, most of the world’s languages. It is a language of Wax and Gold that one expects only from the Ethiopians, people endowed with pregnant wit and creative genius.

P8• The idea that people were forced to abandon their language and culture exists only in the fancy world of these writers’ imagination. If the Ethiopian government did not promote or encourage the study and learning of each ethnic group’s language, history or culture, it does not require great imagination to find out that the problem lies elsewhere: the country’s infant and struggling modern economy (with no potential to fund even the most basics), is responsible, and not politics. As someone born in the south, I would advise these writers to stop from patronizing the Southerners, by trying to be their spokespersons, or meddling in the affairs of, other Ethiopians. I am sure none of them want you to be their Moses. Just speak to your wretched self.

P9....... Gada system, presenting to the naïve and unsuspecting westerners as an indigenous egalitarian democratic system, which in truth is a socio-political institution that is inherently criminal and terroristic with in-built genocidal features. We know from the history books, written by both locals and foreigners alike, that the Gada system is responsible for wiping out the whole gamut of civilizations from the face of Ethiopia by levelling to the ground cities, villages, and destroying cultures with its wanton and wholesale massacre of their innocent inhabitants, including children and pregnant women, cutting genitals, breasts and heads as trophies to feed and satisfy the exalted heroism of each successive Luba generation, which is naturally bent in outdoing its predecessor in savagery and barbaric cruelty.

P10Ethiopia and Menilek respected the time-honored cultures and languages of every ethnic group, whereas the Gada system obliterated them completely from the face of the earth, imposing, through mechanisms known as Gabar, Garba, Gudifacha or Mogasa, an Oromo identity, and reducing the entire population to a status that was not better, actually worse,than slavery. Idealizing this cruel and genocidal system as democratic is tantamount to glorifying Hitlerian Nazism or Southern USA Jim Crows as the highest manifestation of humankind’s political advancement. These intellectuals, instead of being ashamed of, or condemning it in the strongest term possible, or campaigning for a total banishment of what actually is a naked barbarism and anti-civilization, are actually and unashamedly trying to describe it in grandiose terms as being the sublime manifestation of Oromo society’s premature advancement in the art of governance.


Taken from: Address to the Oromo Intellectuals’ || Professor Haile M. Larebo
August 25, 2019
Mr. Copy Ermiyas Legese aka Dawi [Dawi በሚል ስም የሚንቀሳቀው ኤርሚያስ ለገሠ ከሌላ ሌላ ሰው ቅጂ ሚጠቀም]

I structured your copied material from paragraph 1 to 11 and show the equivalent to the slaave man going by the name Larebo, son-in-law of hybrids.

P = Stands for paragraphs and hence P1 to P10 for the 10 paragraphs

Referring to P1:
Your debteras or their derivatives thereof always starts saying Ethiopia is ancient but describe their vague lore as Tedewodros, son of Kimant nation. They have reason why they claim as far as ancient but cut it short to some 200 years when describe. If they attempt to validate their ancient past, it will take them to find their origin in South Yemen revealing that they never belong to horn of Africa as native. To do this they often misleadingly quote from bible. But history (fossil remains, bible and other credible documents) tell us contrary. So the phrase “process of re-unification” is false. The fact is those emperors you mentioned in this paragraph had their efforts as local chefs to govern their village which never stretched beyond the present day Tigray and northern Wello and Gonder zones.

Referring to P2-3:
Fortunately I have to show you contemporary similarities and leave the claim of the so-called author Larebo to all reader’s evaluation. TPLF lead government was claimed multiethnic and multi party government. But why was revolt against such government nearly all ethnic nations claimed taking part in the governance? Even the present PP regime, proud of its domain formed from all individual persons across all ethnic nation said to be available in the empire, is no more acknowledged by subject nations? So your guys, Larebo;s, draft is simply fraudulent.

Referring to P4-5:
How about officially proclamations of your unifying leper kings to eliminate Afaan Oromo, Gada Oromo (Oromo nation’s super structural institute) and anole martyr of the defense forces of then Oromia?. How about Wolayita and Dawaro kings’ murder? Listen to VOA Amaric yesterday’ s broadcast.

Referring to P6:
How about two official policies of conqueror government in an empire it claimed to rule? One policy for its northern people (allowed to ownership of land) but subject (occupied) peoples of south declared to be serfs?

Referring to P7:
Leave alone about southern nations; do you know there are people such as Kimant in the north, at the feet of your kings, which had never spoke Amharic since their occupation? It is objective reality what you can validate now. This is partly because Amharic is no mans language but invented as tool to facilitate occupation. Do you know descendants of the then language engineers re-tried to formulate same replica in the present day southern nations/nationalities? Readers can examine that Amharic is a modified Arabic with Tigrean invented alphabets. And as such even the inventors eventually ignored it as useless and stick to their own language. As you and I are leaving witness, Amharic is remote language which find its failure in contemporary technology.

Referring to P8:
Refer to p5

Referring to P9-10:
Two fundamental facts are important to consider. Who are you as writer to dismiss an institute a great nation feels it is important for the nation? How come what scholars proved and distant nations acknowledged appreciate to learn from be underestimated by surrogates of a community with no identity of its own? Also refer to P5,

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Post by banebris2013 » 17 Oct 2020, 18:06

Dawi wrote:
16 Oct 2020, 16:03
AbebeB wrote:
16 Oct 2020, 14:33
የአባቶቻቸውን ሀይማኖት የጠሉት ኮ/ል አብይ አህመድ አሊ እና አቶ ደመቀ መኮንን ሐሰን የአያታቸው ሚንሊክን ፓለቲካ እንዴት ወደዱ?

ኮ/ል አብይ አህመድ አሊ
አቶ ደመቀ መኮንን ሐሰን


በአባቶቻቸው በኩል ከሙስሊሙ እምነት ተከታይ የህ/ሰባችን ክፍል የመጡ ሲሆን የሚከተሉት ግን የኦርቶዶክስ ተዋሂዶ ሀይማኖት (የደብተራ ወንጌል) እና የብልጽግና ወንገል ነው፡፡ ነገር ግን የሚከተሉት የፓለቲካ ሥርዓት ግን የተመሰረተው በሚንሊክ ቅኝ ገዥ ላይ ነው፡፡ ስለዚህ አነዚህ ሁለቱ ሰዎች ከኦሮሞነት መሸሽ የተያያዙት በአማራ እናታቸው ቅኝት ስለአደጉ የኦሮሞ የሆነውን ጠልተው እምዬ ሚንልክንና የአማራን ሀይማት መረጡ ማለት ነው፡፡
የአያታቸው ሚንሊክን ፓለቲካ እንዴት ወደዱ? The following is more or less the reason why:

• Ethiopia was not an invention by Emperor Menelik II. It is the most ancient nation-state, whose civilization predates almost every modern nation- state in Africa, Europe and Asia. Emperor Menilek simply completed the process of re-unification that began long before him, with Emperors Tewodros II, TekleHaimanot, and Yohannes the IV. These rulers were well-aware that they failed to restore the entire Ethiopia’s historical domains, having lost considerable portion to the European colonial conquerors. However, they did neither conquer nor acquire new lands beyond bringing together the two families, the north and the south, separated from each other for a short while due to the weakening of the central authority.


• Each of these emperors was supported by admirably able and talented generals, such as Ras Alula from Tegray, Ras Dareso from Gojam, Ras Gobena from Shawa, and Ras Makonnen of Harar, known as the four cornerstones of the Resurgent Ethiopia.

• Each of these rulers were of multi-ethnic background, so too were their leading generals as well as their armies.

• Unlike most of the nations of the world, where the core group in the central government forcefully imposed its creed and culture by destroying that of the periphery, Ethiopia, throughout its history, has always been a multi-ethnic, and a multi-religious nation-state, with a variety of life-styles, ranging from the Oromo pastoralists to sedentary population, specializing in diverse professions.

᎐ Contrary to other civilizations, the central government in Ethiopia never attempted to impose its worldview, or one specific ethnic identity, or culture. That is the only reason why in one of the oldest nation-states in the world (Ethiopia), there are still even today so many languages, ethnic groups, religions, and professions, and the people are the most hybrid, and the most tolerant in the world until, unfortunately, these crypto-ethnicists showed up, surprisingly quite unexpectedly.

• That Emperor Menilek II expropriated lands during the re-unification process and gave them to the Amharas is a gigantic myth, perpetuated by those who are ignorant of Ethiopian social milieu. .... To start with, Menilek’s army was multi-ethnic, the Oromo ethnic groups being its largest component, and its greatest beneficiary too, because they filled most of the administrative and military’s highest ranks. Both of Menilek’s policies, i. e. reunification and administration, have won deep admiration of the world’s renown writers, academics, statesmen, and the Europeans in his court, or those who accompanied him in his reunification campaign, and even his deadly enemies were no exception in admiring his leadership qualities. Contrary to the malicious portray by these crypto-ethnicists, these world renown personalities describe Menilek II as personifying the epitome of wisdom, and foresightedness, and as an exemplary to any civilized world.

• Ethiopians spoke and learnt Amharic, not because they were of Amhara ethnic groups (a thing that exists only in the minds of these writers). Amharic has been Ethiopia’s national language since time immemorial and every European traveler, or visitor (since the Middle Ages), attests this basic fact, that Amharic was spoken throughout the Ethiopian nation-state. Though only an elementary knowledge is needed to establish this fact, these writers however, the highest level of their education notwithstanding, seem incapable to tell the difference between ethnicity and the lingua franca of a country. It had become the dominant language not because imposed by the Amhara ruling class (which in reality hardly existed except in the imagination of these confused and ill-bred, and ill-educated narrow ethno-nationalists), but because the Ethiopian people found it to be the best and the ideal. It may have some remote connection with the region anciently known as Amhara, an area known as a melting pot of many cultures and religions, a true embodiment of actualEthiopia itself. Reliable studies suggest that no single ethnic group may own it, as it is a language developed largely as a result of pidginization and creolization out of several Ethiopian languages, and ethnic groups, in the style of Hausa, Swahili and the creole languages. It is indisputably rich, fluid, elastic, and sophisticated with no parallel in any Ethiopian languages and, in fact, most of the world’s languages. It is a language of Wax and Gold that one expects only from the Ethiopians, people endowed with pregnant wit and creative genius.

• The idea that people were forced to abandon their language and culture exists only in the fancy world of these writers’ imagination. If the Ethiopian government did not promote or encourage the study and learning of each ethnic group’s language, history or culture, it does not require great imagination to find out that the problem lies elsewhere: the country’s infant and struggling modern economy (with no potential to fund even the most basics), is responsible, and not politics. As someone born in the south, I would advise these writers to stop from patronizing the Southerners, by trying to be their spokespersons, or meddling in the affairs of, other Ethiopians. I am sure none of them want you to be their Moses. Just speak to your wretched self.

....... Gada system, presenting to the naïve and unsuspecting westerners as an indigenous egalitarian democratic system, which in truth is a socio-political institution that is inherently criminal and terroristic with in-built genocidal features. We know from the history books, written by both locals and foreigners alike, that the Gada system is responsible for wiping out the whole gamut of civilizations from the face of Ethiopia by levelling to the ground cities, villages, and destroying cultures with its wanton and wholesale massacre of their innocent inhabitants, including children and pregnant women, cutting genitals, breasts and heads as trophies to feed and satisfy the exalted heroism of each successive Luba generation, which is naturally bent in outdoing its predecessor in savagery and barbaric cruelty.

Ethiopia and Menilek respected the time-honored cultures and languages of every ethnic group, whereas the Gada system obliterated them completely from the face of the earth, imposing, through mechanisms known as Gabar, Garba, Gudifacha or Mogasa, an Oromo identity, and reducing the entire population to a status that was not better, actually worse,than slavery. Idealizing this cruel and genocidal system as democratic is tantamount to glorifying Hitlerian Nazism or Southern USA Jim Crows as the highest manifestation of humankind’s political advancement. These intellectuals, instead of being ashamed of, or condemning it in the strongest term possible, or campaigning for a total banishment of what actually is a naked barbarism and anti-civilization, are actually and unashamedly trying to describe it in grandiose terms as being the sublime manifestation of Oromo society’s premature advancement in the art of governance.


Taken from: Address to the Oromo Intellectuals’ || Professor Haile M. Larebo
August 25, 2019
You at least used a source to justify your claim. The only problem is that the person you used as a source is no better than "Aleka Atsime". He wrote this after oromo's told him you are fake historian and he wrote it as a response to that based on emotion (anger), not research.
I feel sorry for you as a person when you think UN is a collection of idiots to accept Gada as you stated here.
UN has got experts in every field that are far superior to your Larebos. The reason why Ethiopia is full of bogus history is because of historians like Larebo who tries to justify their emotion filled writing as history. The worst part is you parroting him.
The biblical Ethiopia aside, there was no country called Ethiopia until king H/S introduced it to the league of nations early at its formation. Abyssinia is the name you have to use for anything prior to the formation of the league of nation at the end of 2nd world war.

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Post by AbebeB » 17 Oct 2020, 18:43

banebris2013
እነርሱ እኮ ዓለም የሚያውቀውን ሀቅ ሳይሆን ደብተራዎቻቸው በመተት የጻፉትን ከጥላች የመነጨ የፈጠራ ወሬ ነው የሚረዱት፡፡ እንተም እንዳልከው ላሬቦ ይህን ደካማ ጽሁፍ የጻፈው የኦሮሞ ጥላቻውን ለመግለጽና የጌቶቹን (አማራ ሚስቱን) ውለታ ለመመለስ ሲል ነው፡፡ ባርያ ነውና ስለ ነጻነትም አይገባውም፡፡

የላሮቦን አድናቂዎችም ተመልከት፡፡ ኤርሚያስ ለገሠ (Dawi) ነው ይህን ጽሁፍ ብሎ የለጠፈውም፡፡ እንደሚታወቀው ኤርሚየስ ለገሠ በከሠረ ማንነቱ፣ በተላላኪነቱ ና በመሀይምነቱ ይታወቃል፡፡ አንድ የሚያድጋቸውም የኦሮሞ ጥላቻቸው ነው፡፡

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Post by Selam/ » 17 Oct 2020, 20:17

Kichamam Woyane - They can choose to observe whatever religion or ideology they want. What I don't want them to do is worship Satan like the TPLF thugs. Dense mfkr - What does Sebhat Nega or Debreporno believe in? KIFU!
AbebeB wrote:
16 Oct 2020, 14:33
የአባቶቻቸውን ሀይማኖት የጠሉት ኮ/ል አብይ አህመድ አሊ እና አቶ ደመቀ መኮንን ሐሰን የአያታቸው ሚንሊክን ፓለቲካ እንዴት ወደዱ?

ኮ/ል አብይ አህመድ አሊ
አቶ ደመቀ መኮንን ሐሰን


በአባቶቻቸው በኩል ከሙስሊሙ እምነት ተከታይ የህ/ሰባችን ክፍል የመጡ ሲሆን የሚከተሉት ግን የኦርቶዶክስ ተዋሂዶ ሀይማኖት (የደብተራ ወንጌል) እና የብልጽግና ወንገል ነው፡፡ ነገር ግን የሚከተሉት የፓለቲካ ሥርዓት ግን የተመሰረተው በሚንሊክ ቅኝ ገዥ ላይ ነው፡፡ ስለዚህ አነዚህ ሁለቱ ሰዎች ከኦሮሞነት መሸሽ የተያያዙት በአማራ እናታቸው ቅኝት ስለአደጉ የኦሮሞ የሆነውን ጠልተው እምዬ ሚንልክንና የአማራን ሀይማት መረጡ ማለት ነው፡፡

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Post by Dawi » 18 Oct 2020, 01:34

AbebeB wrote:
17 Oct 2020, 18:43
banebris2013
እነርሱ እኮ ዓለም የሚያውቀውን ሀቅ ሳይሆን ደብተራዎቻቸው በመተት የጻፉትን ከጥላች የመነጨ የፈጠራ ወሬ ነው የሚረዱት፡፡ እንተም እንዳልከው ላሬቦ ይህን ደካማ ጽሁፍ የጻፈው የኦሮሞ ጥላቻውን ለመግለጽና የጌቶቹን (አማራ ሚስቱን) ውለታ ለመመለስ ሲል ነው፡፡ ባርያ ነውና ስለ ነጻነትም አይገባውም፡፡

የላሮቦን አድናቂዎችም ተመልከት፡፡ ኤርሚያስ ለገሠ (Dawi) ነው ይህን ጽሁፍ ብሎ የለጠፈውም፡፡ እንደሚታወቀው ኤርሚየስ ለገሠ በከሠረ ማንነቱ፣ በተላላኪነቱ ና በመሀይምነቱ ይታወቃል፡፡ አንድ የሚያድጋቸውም የኦሮሞ ጥላቻቸው ነው፡፡
አቤ፡ & banebris2013,

እኔ ኤርሚያስ ከሆንኩ አንተም በቀለ ገርባ ነህ!

"ኢትዮጵያ የምትድነው በቀደመው እውነተኛ ታሪክ እንጅ በውሸት ትርክት አለመሆኑን በግልፅ ታሪክን እያጣቀሳችሁ ስለገለፃችሁልን እጅግ በጣም እናመሰግናለን። ምርጥ የሀገራችን እንቁ የታሪክ ተመራማሪና ጠበብቶች። እድሜና ጤና ይስጣችሁ።" (ለፕ/ር ሐይሌ፣ ሐብታሙ፣ አቶ ፀጋዬና አቻምየለህ)

ይህን በጥሞና አዳምጡና - Call me in the morning. :P


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Post by AbebeB » 18 Oct 2020, 16:43

Dawi wrote:
18 Oct 2020, 01:34
AbebeB wrote:
17 Oct 2020, 18:43
banebris2013
እነርሱ እኮ ዓለም የሚያውቀውን ሀቅ ሳይሆን ደብተራዎቻቸው በመተት የጻፉትን ከጥላች የመነጨ የፈጠራ ወሬ ነው የሚረዱት፡፡ እንተም እንዳልከው ላሬቦ ይህን ደካማ ጽሁፍ የጻፈው የኦሮሞ ጥላቻውን ለመግለጽና የጌቶቹን (አማራ ሚስቱን) ውለታ ለመመለስ ሲል ነው፡፡ ባርያ ነውና ስለ ነጻነትም አይገባውም፡፡

የላሮቦን አድናቂዎችም ተመልከት፡፡ ኤርሚያስ ለገሠ (Dawi) ነው ይህን ጽሁፍ ብሎ የለጠፈውም፡፡ እንደሚታወቀው ኤርሚየስ ለገሠ በከሠረ ማንነቱ፣ በተላላኪነቱ ና በመሀይምነቱ ይታወቃል፡፡ አንድ የሚያድጋቸውም የኦሮሞ ጥላቻቸው ነው፡፡
አቤ፡ & banebris2013,

እኔ ኤርሚያስ ከሆንኩ አንተም በቀለ ገርባ ነህ!

"ኢትዮጵያ የምትድነው በቀደመው እውነተኛ ታሪክ እንጅ በውሸት ትርክት አለመሆኑን በግልፅ ታሪክን እያጣቀሳችሁ ስለገለፃችሁልን እጅግ በጣም እናመሰግናለን። ምርጥ የሀገራችን እንቁ የታሪክ ተመራማሪና ጠበብቶች። እድሜና ጤና ይስጣችሁ።" (ለፕ/ር ሐይሌ፣ ሐብታሙ፣ አቶ ፀጋዬና አቻምየለህ)

ይህን በጥሞና አዳምጡና - Call me in the morning. :P

Dawi aka Ermiyas Legesse,
I already told you who you are. Unless you base on copied material that you have no thoughtful of your own.
How do you think your poor logic operates? Also, I told you that your knowledge exempted debteras had been around. Some of the contemporary are those you posted.

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Post by sun » 18 Oct 2020, 19:37

Dawi wrote:
18 Oct 2020, 01:34
AbebeB wrote:
17 Oct 2020, 18:43
banebris2013
እነርሱ እኮ ዓለም የሚያውቀውን ሀቅ ሳይሆን ደብተራዎቻቸው በመተት የጻፉትን ከጥላች የመነጨ የፈጠራ ወሬ ነው የሚረዱት፡፡ እንተም እንዳልከው ላሬቦ ይህን ደካማ ጽሁፍ የጻፈው የኦሮሞ ጥላቻውን ለመግለጽና የጌቶቹን (አማራ ሚስቱን) ውለታ ለመመለስ ሲል ነው፡፡ ባርያ ነውና ስለ ነጻነትም አይገባውም፡፡

የላሮቦን አድናቂዎችም ተመልከት፡፡ ኤርሚያስ ለገሠ (Dawi) ነው ይህን ጽሁፍ ብሎ የለጠፈውም፡፡ እንደሚታወቀው ኤርሚየስ ለገሠ በከሠረ ማንነቱ፣ በተላላኪነቱ ና በመሀይምነቱ ይታወቃል፡፡ አንድ የሚያድጋቸውም የኦሮሞ ጥላቻቸው ነው፡፡
አቤ፡ & banebris2013,

እኔ ኤርሚያስ ከሆንኩ አንተም በቀለ ገርባ ነህ!

"ኢትዮጵያ የምትድነው በቀደመው እውነተኛ ታሪክ እንጅ በውሸት ትርክት አለመሆኑን በግልፅ ታሪክን እያጣቀሳችሁ ስለገለፃችሁልን እጅግ በጣም እናመሰግናለን። ምርጥ የሀገራችን እንቁ የታሪክ ተመራማሪና ጠበብቶች። እድሜና ጤና ይስጣችሁ።" (ለፕ/ር ሐይሌ፣ ሐብታሙ፣ አቶ ፀጋዬና አቻምየለህ)

ይህን በጥሞና አዳምጡና - Call me in the morning. :P

Dawi Dawullawu, :mrgreen:

Please keep your bunches of street corner vagabonds to yourself sticking deep in to your baboon red ar$$$ hole because no one cares about such deformed attention seeking narcissist petty Nazis chatter boxes. Fck them over and over again and again with the thickest and dirtiest broom sticks, said my good Gurage friend, Zabarga and his friends. :mrgreen:

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Post by Dawi » Yesterday, 16:29

sun wrote:
18 Oct 2020, 19:37


እኔ ኤርሚያስ ከሆንኩ አንተም በቀለ ገርባ ነህ!

"ኢትዮጵያ የምትድነው በቀደመው እውነተኛ ታሪክ እንጅ በውሸት ትርክት አለመሆኑን በግልፅ ታሪክን እያጣቀሳችሁ ስለገለፃችሁልን እጅግ በጣም እናመሰግናለን። ምርጥ የሀገራችን እንቁ የታሪክ ተመራማሪና ጠበብቶች። እድሜና ጤና ይስጣችሁ።" (ለፕ/ር ሐይሌ፣ ሐብታሙ፣ አቶ ፀጋዬና አቻምየለህ)

ይህን በጥሞና አዳምጡና - Call me in the morning. :P



Dawi Dawullawu, :mrgreen:

Please keep your bunches of street corner vagabonds to yourself sticking deep in to your baboon red ar$$$ hole because no one cares about such deformed attention seeking narcissist petty Nazis chatter boxes. Fck them over and over again and again with the thickest and dirtiest broom sticks, said my good Gurage friend, Zabarga and his friends. :mrgreen:
sun,

Your overemotional behavior tells us you didn't read Barara by Prof. Habtamu; maybe we should translate it in "qubee" for folks like you so that you can pour it on your ጨጨብሳ in the morning; I love that too but, use olive oil instead most of the time. :lol:

Abebe is probably writing from Planet Hotel worrying & losing sleep about Ermias Legeste; that dude that helped put him & his friends there in the first place! He is their nightmare! Planet is a place where pathological historical liars reside as we speak; those who suffered childhood trauma with little hope of recovering.

FYI, Achamyeleh Tamiru writes quoting Dr. Gidada, Prof. Gabisa and other Oromos. He doesn't make things up. I don't know why you don't read him. He does standard research unlike the extremist Oromos who fabricate history with pack of intricate lies. I don't know why they do that.

Oromos history is a respectable one no one needs to fabricate lies.

sun seems to have some sense but, has been brainwashed, spitting, "farting" foul languages in a raw when things scare him.

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Post by AbebeB » Yesterday, 18:08

Dawi wrote:
Yesterday, 16:29
sun wrote:
18 Oct 2020, 19:37


እኔ ኤርሚያስ ከሆንኩ አንተም በቀለ ገርባ ነህ!

"ኢትዮጵያ የምትድነው በቀደመው እውነተኛ ታሪክ እንጅ በውሸት ትርክት አለመሆኑን በግልፅ ታሪክን እያጣቀሳችሁ ስለገለፃችሁልን እጅግ በጣም እናመሰግናለን። ምርጥ የሀገራችን እንቁ የታሪክ ተመራማሪና ጠበብቶች። እድሜና ጤና ይስጣችሁ።" (ለፕ/ር ሐይሌ፣ ሐብታሙ፣ አቶ ፀጋዬና አቻምየለህ)

ይህን በጥሞና አዳምጡና - Call me in the morning. :P



Dawi Dawullawu, :mrgreen:

sun,

Your overemotional behavior tells us you didn't read Barara by Prof. Habtamu; maybe we should translate it in "qubee" for folks like you so that you can pour it on your ጨጨብሳ in the morning; I love that too but, use olive oil instead most of the time. :lol:

Abebe is probably writing from Planet Hotel worrying & losing sleep about Ermias Legeste; that dude that helped put him & his friends there in the first place! He is their nightmare! Planet is a place where pathological historical liars reside as we speak; those who suffered childhood trauma with little hope of recovering.

FYI, Achamyeleh Tamiru writes quoting Dr. Gidada, Prof. Gabisa and other Oromos. He doesn't make things up. I don't know why you don't read him. He does standard research unlike the extremist Oromos who fabricate history with pack of intricate lies. I don't know why they do that.

Oromos history is a respectable one no one needs to fabricate lies.

sun seems to have some sense but, has been brainwashed, spitting, "farting" foul languages in a raw when things scare him.
Dawi aka Ermiyas Leggese,
How come you frequently visit these forum? No more were?
You also started to shade crocodile tear to sympathize your most enemy aka Oromo nation. How come?
You wanna escape the leper center? Haribu, there is more kitfo in your native land.
Oh, sorry but you don't belong there, too. You are hybrid.
Do you know hybrid maize can't be used to saw the next winter?

Forget the debetra historians or their modern successors. What they can do is that they close their door and shout (write draft) and outsource friendly publisher to make it published. But not all published materials are of equal weight. So is your clergies' myth lacked acceptance.

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Post by sun » Yesterday, 19:31

Dawi wrote:
Yesterday, 16:29
sun wrote:
18 Oct 2020, 19:37


እኔ ኤርሚያስ ከሆንኩ አንተም በቀለ ገርባ ነህ!

"ኢትዮጵያ የምትድነው በቀደመው እውነተኛ ታሪክ እንጅ በውሸት ትርክት አለመሆኑን በግልፅ ታሪክን እያጣቀሳችሁ ስለገለፃችሁልን እጅግ በጣም እናመሰግናለን። ምርጥ የሀገራችን እንቁ የታሪክ ተመራማሪና ጠበብቶች። እድሜና ጤና ይስጣችሁ።" (ለፕ/ር ሐይሌ፣ ሐብታሙ፣ አቶ ፀጋዬና አቻምየለህ)

ይህን በጥሞና አዳምጡና - Call me in the morning. :P



Dawi Dawullawu, :mrgreen:

Please keep your bunches of street corner vagabonds to yourself sticking deep in to your baboon red ar$$$ hole because no one cares about such deformed attention seeking narcissist petty Nazis chatter boxes. Fck them over and over again and again with the thickest and dirtiest broom sticks, said my good Gurage friend, Zabarga and his friends. :mrgreen:
sun,

Your overemotional behavior tells us you didn't read Barara by Prof. Habtamu; maybe we should translate it in "qubee" for folks like you so that you can pour it on your ጨጨብሳ in the morning; I love that too but, use olive oil instead most of the time. :lol:

Abebe is probably writing from Planet Hotel worrying & losing sleep about Ermias Legeste; that dude that helped put him & his friends there in the first place! He is their nightmare! Planet is a place where pathological historical liars reside as we speak; those who suffered childhood trauma with little hope of recovering.

FYI, Achamyeleh Tamiru writes quoting Dr. Gidada, Prof. Gabisa and other Oromos. He doesn't make things up. I don't know why you don't read him. He does standard research unlike the extremist Oromos who fabricate history with pack of intricate lies. I don't know why they do that.

Oromos history is a respectable one no one needs to fabricate lies.

sun seems to have some sense but, has been brainwashed, spitting, "farting" foul languages in a raw when things scare him.

Dawi tultullaw,

I have no problem reading selective cheap propaganda fairy tales and folktales written by armature pseudo writers imitating the Nazi propaganda chief activist known as Joseph Goebbels who was claiming to know about people more than what those people used to know about themselves. Narcissistic ranting and stinky [email protected] are all too sweet to smell by these dumb idiots and Goebbels has had lots of selected self serving sources and references to justify his mountains of hate speeches and garbage rantings. Who is an extremist Oromo? Gabisa, Hambisa, badhaasa or Abbaasa? :evil:

Fanddiya hullaa! Keep in your nut head that the democratic and egalitarian Oromos opened the jails, concentration camps and the country's borders and freed all the peoples just like the birds in the sky, so that they go and talk, write and sing all over the country and also in ring.

Yes, I have been reading lots of folktales and fairy tale stories when I was a child but yet that these bums are providing substandard propaganda sh!t stink and hate speech sucks both their cursed dirty back and front dirty holes just like the South African wild boars.
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