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Differentiate between Correlations and Causations; brilliant way of puting it

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Re: Differentiate between Correlations and Causations; brilliant way of puting it

Post by DefendTheTruth » 01 Oct 2020, 06:32

Look for example how the people at PEN America don't seem to understand the difference between the two scientific terms correlation and causation.


BTW.; he was not attempting rather has caused the death of citizens and now the government should release him just because he was their honoree at one time or tries to use the title of being a journalist and leader of a political party, without identifying his causation of the crime committed. This is being disclosed by the charges against him by the prosecutors of the country.

They could have earned their name by trying to identify the difference between the two terms mentioned above, but they failed themselves.

On July 1, PEN America’s 2012 Freedom to Write honoree, journalist, and founder of the political party Baladera for Genuine Democracy Eskinder Nega, was physically assaulted, arrested, and detained, allegedly for attempting to incite violence during the protest

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Re: Differentiate between Correlations and Causations; brilliant way of puting it

Post by TGAA » 01 Oct 2020, 19:43

DefendTheTruth wrote:
01 Oct 2020, 06:32
Look for example how the people at PEN America don't seem to understand the difference between the two scientific terms correlation and causation.


BTW.; he was not attempting rather has caused the death of citizens and now the government should release him just because he was their honoree at one time or tries to use the title of being a journalist and leader of a political party, without identifying his causation of the crime committed. This is being disclosed by the charges against him by the prosecutors of the country.

They could have earned their name by trying to identify the difference between the two terms mentioned above, but they failed themselves.

On July 1, PEN America’s 2012 Freedom to Write honoree, journalist, and founder of the political party Baladera for Genuine Democracy Eskinder Nega, was physically assaulted, arrested, and detained, allegedly for attempting to incite violence during the protest
DTT,Gedion certainly is one capable Attorney General in the way he has conducted the interview, confident and knowledgeable. As a politician though he knows well the road which leads him to dead end, so he avoids the particulars and jumps into the generalization wagon. Being economical in truth has its own place,thus; I don't begrudge the Attorney General given the edge nature of the issues he has to deal with. However, in close scrutiny we find out that all causation and correlations are not created equal. In case of Jawar and Obo Bekele both the causation and correlations are present, but in Eskender case while the causation is lacking the correlation may have existed. In case of Jawar there are interviews he had given clearly show the correlations aspects to the crime that was committed by way of incitation, in his statement regarding Addis Ababa , if his side loses a landslide in an election in Addis Ababa, he said that he will let loose querros to finish the job, for him holding back the Qurros was the hardest. we go through a list of incitements he conducted in public, the YouTube is full of it. His direct involvement in the death of the security officer, and property damage thes causation evidence is firmly established ( in his role as Hachallu’s body snatcher) Bekel Gerba was there playing a junior partner in the role of body snatcher, which both want to use Hachallus burial as a means to gather emotionally inflamed youth and end Abiy’s government, and start a civil war, which was inevitable. Bekele Gurba month earlier on his face called with a clear instruction what the Querros need to do to over through the government violently. So when it comes to Eskendr the whole idea of incitation flips on its head. I would drop defending Eskender if anyone, I repeat, anyone who has a video , that shows Eskender advocating violence. I guarantee it none would exist. Because all his life he has been leading a peaceful struggle. Can a person with a peaceful struggle credential change and become violent, it is in the realm of possibility, but it is much less likely. However, he is an advocate of self-defense. He always said that while we have to make the world know what Jawar lead genocidal Qureero is doing in Ethiopia the onus to protect themselves rests on Ethiopians. In the past two and half years , a truck full of well-organized Qureos come to the cities , they create havoc destroying property killing civilians, while the Oromia police look the other way. Although I don’t know how far he went in Organizing this self-defensive groups, If he did , that was exactly what he was doing. Because of what he did , Addis Ababians were able to save themselves from slough off violence the shasemen victims experienced. Following the criss after Hachallu’s mudre the previous unelected mayor of Addis Ababa was indignant that the church rang to call on its members to protect it from being burned down , the church should rang its bell only there is an external invaders, funny as if the invading army would have done worst than burning the church. That is one wisdom with its own twisted logic. So any way Eskender is in prison to appease Jawars violent mobs and for organizing for self defance. By the way now the government encourage citizens to organized and protect themselves. Though it is too late for more than 400 civilians who became victims in their own home.

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Re: Differentiate between Correlations and Causations; brilliant way of puting it

Post by DefendTheTruth » 02 Oct 2020, 11:43

TGAA wrote:
01 Oct 2020, 19:43
DefendTheTruth wrote:
01 Oct 2020, 06:32
Look for example how the people at PEN America don't seem to understand the difference between the two scientific terms correlation and causation.


BTW.; he was not attempting rather has caused the death of citizens and now the government should release him just because he was their honoree at one time or tries to use the title of being a journalist and leader of a political party, without identifying his causation of the crime committed. This is being disclosed by the charges against him by the prosecutors of the country.

They could have earned their name by trying to identify the difference between the two terms mentioned above, but they failed themselves.

On July 1, PEN America’s 2012 Freedom to Write honoree, journalist, and founder of the political party Baladera for Genuine Democracy Eskinder Nega, was physically assaulted, arrested, and detained, allegedly for attempting to incite violence during the protest
DTT,Gedion certainly is one capable Attorney General in the way he has conducted the interview, confident and knowledgeable. As a politician though he knows well the road which leads him to dead end, so he avoids the particulars and jumps into the generalization wagon. Being economical in truth has its own place,thus; I don't begrudge the Attorney General given the edge nature of the issues he has to deal with. However, in close scrutiny we find out that all causation and correlations are not created equal. In case of Jawar and Obo Bekele both the causation and correlations are present, but in Eskender case while the causation is lacking the correlation may have existed. In case of Jawar there are interviews he had given clearly show the correlations aspects to the crime that was committed by way of incitation, in his statement regarding Addis Ababa , if his side loses a landslide in an election in Addis Ababa, he said that he will let loose querros to finish the job, for him holding back the Qurros was the hardest. we go through a list of incitements he conducted in public, the YouTube is full of it. His direct involvement in the death of the security officer, and property damage thes causation evidence is firmly established ( in his role as Hachallu’s body snatcher) Bekel Gerba was there playing a junior partner in the role of body snatcher, which both want to use Hachallus burial as a means to gather emotionally inflamed youth and end Abiy’s government, and start a civil war, which was inevitable. Bekele Gurba month earlier on his face called with a clear instruction what the Querros need to do to over through the government violently. So when it comes to Eskendr the whole idea of incitation flips on its head. I would drop defending Eskender if anyone, I repeat, anyone who has a video , that shows Eskender advocating violence. I guarantee it none would exist. Because all his life he has been leading a peaceful struggle. Can a person with a peaceful struggle credential change and become violent, it is in the realm of possibility, but it is much less likely. However, he is an advocate of self-defense. He always said that while we have to make the world know what Jawar lead genocidal Qureero is doing in Ethiopia the onus to protect themselves rests on Ethiopians. In the past two and half years , a truck full of well-organized Qureos come to the cities , they create havoc destroying property killing civilians, while the Oromia police look the other way. Although I don’t know how far he went in Organizing this self-defensive groups, If he did , that was exactly what he was doing. Because of what he did , Addis Ababians were able to save themselves from slough off violence the shasemen victims experienced. Following the criss after Hachallu’s mudre the previous unelected mayor of Addis Ababa was indignant that the church rang to call on its members to protect it from being burned down , the church should rang its bell only there is an external invaders, funny as if the invading army would have done worst than burning the church. That is one wisdom with its own twisted logic. So any way Eskender is in prison to appease Jawars violent mobs and for organizing for self defance. By the way now the government encourage citizens to organized and protect themselves. Though it is too late for more than 400 civilians who became victims in their own home.
TGAA,

I think it is a good step forward that you now admitted the fact that Ato Eskinder Nega organised a "self-defense", which is in itself an act of violence albite to meet, purportedly, another violence with the same violence.

So, may I ask what would make him any different from the likes of Obbo Daud Ibsa, who also said, "we don't want to lay down our arms, even when we are registered as a legal and peaceful political party that is demanding our rights " or something very similar?

In effect Obbo Daud was readying himself for violence and we all condemned that as unacceptable because, we claimed that the monopoly of violence lies in the sole hands of the government in charge of administering the affairs of the people in the country ALONE.

Who exempted Ato Eskinder from such, presumably, a general rule for all?

Only because Jawar's crimes are higher (assumed or in reality) in their magnitude wouldn't automatically make Ato Eskinder free from charges of crimes he himself committed, isn't it?

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Re: Differentiate between Correlations and Causations; brilliant way of puting it

Post by TGAA » 02 Oct 2020, 12:31

You must realize you are making an awkward argument when you are equating organizing oneself for self defence as creaminal act. Had the Oromos police and Takele Uma,'s police have done their duty to protect the citizens there would be no need for citizens to organise. After more than 400 Ethiopians killed by jawar lead quroos,and 1000 more maimed, and billions of birr worth property of the hardworking people property burned to the ground while the police and the military look on ,you still think organizing to defend one self is coequal crime with mindless mob armed with machete and with gasoline to burn? At the very core of your argument I observe a foundmental problem.

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