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Could Eritrea intervene in Etiyopiya (Ethiopia)?

Post by YAY » 12 Jul 2020, 01:10

Could Eritrea intervene in Etiyopiya (Ethiopia)?

It depends on what one means by intervention: going between antagonists to facilitate talks so that they could peacefully resolve their differences, or military involvement? Does Eritrea have the legal right to intervene in Etiyopiya? Or should it stay always hands off and neutral? Peaceful intervention (facilitating direct negotiation, offering good offices, mediation, encouraging investigation and conciliation, judicial settlement, arbitration, etc.) is often desired and military intervention is often prohibited.

Similar to the principles of the UN, the African Union Constitution, Article 4 prohibits intervention of one State but allows the AU to intervene in a member State,
(g) non-interference by any Member State in the internal affairs of another;
(h) the right of the Union to intervene in a Member State....
(j) the right of Member States to request intervention from the Union in order to restore peace and security.
https://au.int/sites/default/files/page ... act_en.pdf

Article 2 of the ASEAN Charter affirms:
(e) non-interference in the internal affairs of ASEAN Member States;
(f) respect for the right of every Member State to lead its national existence free from external interference, subversion and coercion;
https://asean.org/storage/images/archiv ... harter.pdf

However, there are some States that prohibit intervention of any type. For instance, Article 19 of the Charter of the Organization of American States says that,
No State or group of States has the right to intervene, directly or indirectly, for any reason whatever, in the internal or external affairs of any other State. The foregoing principle prohibits not only armed force but also any other form of interference or attempted threat against the personality of the State or against its political, economic, and cultural elements.

http://www.oas.org/en/sla/dil/inter_ame ... er_OAS.asp

The United Nations Charter strictly limits the right of intervention of a State in the internal affairs of another State, by force or other means. Accordingly, military intervention by an individual State is not permissible under the United Nations Charter except in the following circumstances:

(1) Force may be used in self-defense under Article 51 of the Charter. This Article may also be used by states to collectively prevent the spread of hostilities or to restore peace and security;

(2) Intervention may be employed to implement an order of the U.N. Security Council or the General Assembly to remove a threat to security or to restore peace;

(3) States may collectively intervene under regional arrangements such as the African Union where the objective is to restore peace and security to an area threatened by violence;

(4) A state may legitimately intervene to assist the government of another state in repressing subversive activities if requested by the legitimate government of the state in question to assist.
https://www.un.org/en/sections/un-chart ... full-text/

The Federal Government of Etiyopiya seems already prepared and fairly strong enough to repress internal sources of violence and instability. Most likely, there is no need for Eritrea to militarily intervene in Etiyopiya anytime soon, unless situations change drastically. If there is a need for intervention, does Eritrea have a legitimate right (in terms of international law) to intervene in Etiyopiya?

Eritrea may use force in self-defense against any hostilities that may originate from Etyopiya, but ought to inform the Government of Etiyopiya to get its consent, and the UN Security Council, before it takes (or immediately after) any such action. They may help in removing the security threat(s) to Eritrea.

Given the 2018 Peace Agreement between the two countries, the most likely scenario that Eritrea may legitimately intervene militarily in Etiyopiya is in the case of the 4th circumstance stated above---i.e. to assist the current legitimate National Government of Etiyopiya, if requested, to repress subversive activities within Etiyopiya and assist to control the spread of violence as well as to maintain normal peace and stability. If so, Eritrea needs to inform the African Union and the UN Security Council (and may be consult with IGAD and the foreign diplomatic corps in Eritrea) before it rushes in to intervene.

Everyone really needs to note that, though it could legitimately intervene in Etiyopiya, if and when invited in by the Federal Government of Etiyopiya (both the UN Charter and the AU Constitution Act seem to approve of preventing a current government not be overthrown through violence), Eritrea doesn't have to intervene militarily, unless it is an absolutely necessary step to take for both Etiyopiya, Eritrea, and the region. I don't think that that time is now.
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Re: Could Eritrea intervene in Etiyopiya (Ethiopia)?

Post by sesame » 12 Jul 2020, 01:19

Do you consider taking decisive military action to kick the dirty Agames from Badme to be an intervention?

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Re: Could Eritrea intervene in Etiyopiya (Ethiopia)?

Post by Fed_Up » 12 Jul 2020, 01:20

Ohhh No! We will go in all the way brother.

We will not repeat another mistake we already made before. This is the almighty God given opportunity we have been waiting for years that we cannot afforded to miss. Nohe
or never to finished the cancer aka Tplfists and their ally. No mercy!

We won’t make a move by UN or AU play book. It had never been applied in recent wars across the world. So why should we? Eritrea has to move forward to do so woyanus must go.

Eradication of woyanus from our land is eminent.

Woyanus must go!!

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Re: Could Eritrea intervene in Etiyopiya (Ethiopia)?

Post by Digital Weyane » 12 Jul 2020, 01:29

We invite the Eritrean military to smoke TPLF leaders out of their holes, so we may later use TPLF's skulls as champagne glasses to celebrate the liberation of Tigray. 8) 8)

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Re: Could Eritrea intervene in Etiyopiya (Ethiopia)?

Post by YAY » 12 Jul 2020, 01:53

Dear Sesame: No, I don't, because Badumma is already determined Eritrean

Badumma and other areas have already been ruled to be Eritrean. But with my eyes directed at consolidating peace between the two nations for long-term, I prefer to have the borderlines be demarcated on the ground by the UN Cartographic Unit and be transferred to Eritrea by the Federal Government of Etiyopiya peacefully (no need for more bloodshed for a border that is already virtually demarcated). This could happen if Etiyopiyan internal matters are stabilized. The biggest obstacle to Etiyopiyan stability is the TPLF, and I think that the Federal Government with the help of organized Tegaru, etc. could handle it. If the Federal Government needs assistance, then, there would be a need to assist the Federal Government (our main partner for peace). If a fight is necessary, I see that fight to be a fight for security, peace and stability (the rule of law).
sesame wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 01:19
Do you consider taking decisive military action to kick the dirty Agames from Badme to be an intervention?

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Re: Could Eritrea intervene in Etiyopiya (Ethiopia)?

Post by YAY » 12 Jul 2020, 02:20

Dear Fed-Up: Agreed, Ginbar Weyyane Tigrai must go, but who should be on our side?

What I was trying to answer was the question: does Eritrea have the right to intervene in Etiyopiya? The answer is YES with the consent, invitation or approval of the Federal Government of Etiyopiya. I want Eritrea to coordinate and synchronize its efforts with the Federal Government of Etiyopiya and the anti-TPLF parts of the people of Etiyopiya (more importantly Tegaru). These are the forces that would help both nations make peace and security sustainable. It is also my preference for both the governments of Etiyopiya and Eritrea to jointly ask for the UN Cartographic Unit's services, and both promise to provide the UN Unit with its personnel's security and protection. Anyone who comes to stop or interfere with the demarcation would also be dealt with jointly or in coordination, I believe. Border disputes between sovereign nations are better ended by law and not through war, I am convinced.
Fed_Up wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 01:20
Ohhh No! We will go in all the way brother.

We will not repeat another mistake we already made before. This is the almighty God given opportunity we have been waiting for years that we cannot afforded to miss. Nohe
or never to finished the cancer aka Tplfists and their ally. No mercy!

We won’t make a move by UN or AU play book. It had never been applied in recent wars across the world. So why should we? Eritrea has to move forward to do so woyanus must go.

Eradication of woyanus from our land is eminent.

Woyanus must go!!

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Re: Could Eritrea intervene in Etiyopiya (Ethiopia)?

Post by Awash » 12 Jul 2020, 03:31


Why not support the Eritrean people

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Re: Could Eritrea intervene in Etiyopiya (Ethiopia)?

Post by Awash » 12 Jul 2020, 03:43

YOYO,
Did you say "intervene"? Look who's worried shi1tless these days.
:lol: :mrgreen: :lol:
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Re: Could Eritrea intervene in Etiyopiya (Ethiopia)?

Post by Deqi-Arawit » 12 Jul 2020, 03:45

Fed_Up wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 01:20
Ohhh No! We will go in all the way brother.

We will not repeat another mistake we already made before. This is the almighty God given opportunity we have been waiting for years that we cannot afforded to miss. Nohe
or never to finished the cancer aka Tplfists and their ally. No mercy!

We won’t make a move by UN or AU play book. It had never been applied in recent wars across the world. So why should we? Eritrea has to move forward to do so woyanus must go.

Eradication of woyanus from our land is eminent.

Woyanus must go!!

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Re: Could Eritrea intervene in Etiyopiya (Ethiopia)?

Post by Axumezana » 12 Jul 2020, 04:16

If you are talking military intervention, Isaias has no capacity to match TPLF and the Tigray people. The Tigray people are defending for the sustainability of their hard won rights and no one under the sky will be able to defeat them.

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Re: Could Eritrea intervene in Etiyopiya (Ethiopia)?

Post by justo » 12 Jul 2020, 04:53

YAY wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 01:10
Could Eritrea intervene in Etiyopiya (Ethiopia)?

It depends on what one means by intervention: going between antagonists to facilitate talks so that they could peacefully resolve their differences, or military involvement? Does Eritrea have the legal right to intervene in Etiyopiya? Or should it stay always hands off and neutral? Peaceful intervention (facilitating direct negotiation, offering good offices, mediation, encouraging investigation and conciliation, judicial settlement, arbitration, etc.) is often desired and military intervention is often prohibited.
There is no need for war, Ethiopia and Eritrea could bring Tigray to its knees using peaceful means if they have clear objectives and consistent policies. Not by holding hands with Debretsion or allowing Tegarus to open shop in Merhano or calling Tigray golden or saying there are thieves in all regions one day, and then changing your rhetoric when TPLF resists you or outsmarts you.

Eritrea and Ethiopia are countries with all the organs and legitimacy of countries, for heavens sake start acting like one. Cut budget, change the birr, confiscate properties, bring cases against TPLF members starting from Debretsion all the way to Fetlework, run a trial and pass sentences from 20-30 years by documenting their crimes, never again be seen in public holding hands with known criminals like Debretsion, never again tell us there are criminals elsewhere, focus on this particular one.

If Ethiopia wishes to enforce law and order in Tigray and has the capacity to do so or requires Eritrea's assistance for this, then refrain from calling it war, call it security actions like the ones being taken in Wolega. Eritrea and Ethiopia are countries, Tigray is not, this should be made to be consistently obvious in everything you do.

If you do all these, then there will be no need for a war between two full-fledged countries and a backward region. It is not even too late now to start acting like legitimate entities and delegitimising Tigray after all those mistakes committed by the two leaders in handling the Tigray issue.

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Re: Could Eritrea intervene in Etiyopiya (Ethiopia)?

Post by Aurorae » 12 Jul 2020, 09:46

Military intervention in a sovereign country is outlawed by the UN unless both houses of the UN approve it. Powerful countries can get away with it provided that they have reasonable ground. US in Kuwait is a very good example. Actually, the U.S. did the U.N. a favor by doing so although "Oil" was perhaps the primary motive. Little countries like Eritrea can lose their sovereignty if it is sheer uninvited invasion. Making the border problem as a pretext will not help the quality of life of the Eritrean people. Eritrea lost 30% to 40% of its population since its independence, It is one of the poorest countries in the world. Why entangle the poor people of Eritrean to a continuous danger. Ethiopia is a mush bigger country. It can handle its own problems. The extreme hate toward TPLF by the supporters of the Eritrean government is just a cover. TPLF is holding some useless parcel of Eritrean lands that is already recognized as part Eritrea anyway. What is Badme for Weyane, nothing, other than to get Isayas busy. That is all. TPLF has already divided the Oromo leadership under Abby's watch. Abby wouldn't be where he is if he wasn't Oromo. Abby has a huge homework. TPLF does not to have to fire a single bullet right now. Abby is a gifted politician. But, next election is up in the air. Trust me, the last thing he needs is Isayas' military help. :lol: TPLF has deep root in Tigray. Its disappearance is very unlikely. However, Abby can woo the people of Tigray through many peaceful ways available to him. TPLF leaders can be held liable for any kind of mistreatment of Tigrayan opposition leadership circles. The likes of Jawar can also be held under subversive activities such as inciting the crowd to endanger civilians. Isayas needs to ignore TPLF and secure the future of Eritrea rather than gamble for reginal power at the expense of its existence.

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Re: Could Eritrea intervene in Etiyopiya (Ethiopia)?

Post by Fed_Up » 12 Jul 2020, 10:06

Cowardሲ coward አይበልካ

ድሑል አረጊት ውጉር አረብ አጃው አጋመ:: አብ ቅድመይ ከምኣ አይምበልካን:: ነዚ እጥርጥር ዝበለ ገጽካ ብጽፍኢት መላደድኩዎ ነይረ::ሓንቲ መኣልቲ ግን ኣላ ክንራኸብ ኢና:: ክሳብ ሺኡ ከምሸርሙጣ አጋመ ኹቆሓ ሒዝካ አርርርር እንዳበልካ ምጽራፍ መሰልካን ናይ አዴታትካን'ዩ::

ምስ cousinsካ ክትልከም ኢኻ ተጸበይ:: till then do what you do know best, wasted under Smirnoff bottle. Bum mof.


Deqi-Arawit wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 03:45
Fed_Up wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 01:20
Ohhh No! We will go in all the way brother.

We will not repeat another mistake we already made before. This is the almighty God given opportunity we have been waiting for years that we cannot afforded to miss. Nohe
or never to finished the cancer aka Tplfists and their ally. No mercy!

We won’t make a move by UN or AU play book. It had never been applied in recent wars across the world. So why should we? Eritrea has to move forward to do so woyanus must go.

Eradication of woyanus from our land is eminent.

Woyanus must go!!

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Re: Could Eritrea intervene in Etiyopiya (Ethiopia)?

Post by Awash » 12 Jul 2020, 13:55

YOYO,
Your question is moot. The savage tyrant already said he's meddling in everybody's business.


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Re: Could Eritrea intervene in Etiyopiya (Ethiopia)?

Post by tlel » 12 Jul 2020, 14:56

Shabia keeps saying it didn't want to separate from Ethiopia it was Meles/Tplf. Which is a lie both tplf and Shabia agreed for that otherwise the creater of eprdf and kilil and consitutuion was Shabia for Ethiopia, swallow it with tplf and (Shabian ORomo speaking gudifecha Lencho Leta). After it separate from Ethiopia, Eritrea thought it would be Singapore from economic exploitation of Ethiopia. Then Tplf refused and the war between them started. Now, today, the same interest of Shabia for Eritrea using Olf is the goal and nothing changes. Ethiopia would not gain its ports either that is pipe dream. It is amazing Ethiopia must fight for its survival let alone regain the port kkkkkkkkkk

I am really amazed the stupidity of Ethiopians including myself, this site is almos owned by Eritreans when we talk our heart out, our plan Shabia government and its digitals including Tplf, they act accordingly, they see sites like ER to see the environment what is going on around Ethiopia in order to pass their policy action against Ethiopia. That is why Shabos quickly pop up here to attack. There are many solutions but the idiocy coming from Ethiopians including the owner is staggering, they are confused whether tplf and shabia are their/our friends kkkkkkkkkkk not even Olf, they already told you they are against you and ethiopians I don't know what else you want if they befriend you, it is because they want your support to destroy one part of Ethiopia they don't like at least. That is what ethiopians are gambling to

Trust me, it doesn't require to bring in Olf if they want peace from Ethiopia, it doesn't trust it so it has its stooges olf and so is tplf, it will just get rid of the once it doesn't like within tplf and keep tplf. We have be beat three times, in fact multiple time, the opportunity to protect Ethiopia, they have been tricking us over and over again, in Oromia that is exactly what is going on the same thing the lie is to make Ethiopians not to wake up and rise up before it is too late as a result they tell you the love ethiopia bla bal.
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Re: Could Eritrea intervene in Etiyopiya (Ethiopia)?

Post by Aurorae » 12 Jul 2020, 15:03

Tiel,

Agame boy, Ethiopia did not lose its ports. It never had ports of its own according to international treaties. But. Ethiopia has every right to use any port in its vicinity according to international protocols.

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Re: Could Eritrea intervene in Etiyopiya (Ethiopia)?

Post by tlel » 12 Jul 2020, 15:07

Aurorae wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 15:03
Tiel,

Agame boy, Ethiopia did not lose its ports. It never had ports of its own according to international treaties. But. Ethiopia has every right to use any port in its vicinity according to international protocols.
It is known now, Agame boy= Ethiopian boy, we know your agenda should I say Arab boy?

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Re: Could Eritrea intervene in Etiyopiya (Ethiopia)?

Post by Cigar » 12 Jul 2020, 15:10

Eritrea and Ethiopia are two different sovereign countries which signed numerous treaties to help one another and to destroy their common enemy as far as another foreign nation which attacks any one of them.
So, yes Eritrea will intervene and help the friendly Ethiopian govt from domestic or foreign terrorists, sabotagers or foreign attacks.
So some ethiopians or definitely the agames could object it or are against it, but rest assured Eritrea will always intervene in a friendly Ethiopian govt be it PMAA or otherwise.
And Eritrea also believes Ethiopian friendly govt would do so as the treaties it signed.
But the problem both nations have, as we speak is only woyane and destroying woyane doesn't even need the cooperation of both countries. It can be accomplished by either one of us with no causality of both countries or the supposed innocent filthy tegarus.
So, it is advisable that no anti PMAA's Ethiopia or anti PIA's Eritrea, stupid and death wishing entity trys both of them.
Woyane is it now and it will soon be no more but a teaching moment to any other anarchist.
Yes attacking or becoming pain in the as*ses to either one of them will be dealt severely by both of them.

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Re: Could Eritrea intervene in Etiyopiya (Ethiopia)?

Post by YAY » 12 Jul 2020, 15:49

Dear Awash: The discussion is about the security of the peoples of both nations

Securing the freedoms of the Eritrean people and the Etiyopiyan people is working for their safety and peaceful operation of their institutions. The people of Eritrea are supported for their basic needs by the Government of Eritrea and volunteers. Security and lasting peace would be a necessary pre-condition to further socioeconomic development. The Government of Eritrea wishes to do the maximum possible for improving the living standards of the people. However, its efforts were limited by the amount of resources at its disposal because a great portion of Eritrea's resources are being used for defense and security. So, talking about the options of defense, security and peace is part of supporting the people.
Awash wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 03:31

Why not support the Eritrean people

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Re: Could Eritrea intervene in Etiyopiya (Ethiopia)?

Post by YAY » 12 Jul 2020, 16:52

Dear Aurora: Intervention by consent or invitation or alliance is never prohibited by the UN Charter

Thank you for sharing your opinion, showing that we are far apart in several ways.

Article 2(4) of the UN Charter prohibits foreign intervention (such as invasion, conquest, aggression, etc.). That is prohibition of the threat, or the use, of force (that is, an uninvited force) against a sovereign State. Article 51 of the same Charter permits to any State the right of self-defense (i.e. that right could be employed either by the threatened or attacked State only, or by a collective of States. Intervention by invitation (or working as each other's allies who agreed beforehand to come and help a State in need of self-defense) has long been a normal legal practice between States even before the UN were ever born. That is why, for example, Article 28 of the Charter of the OAS explicitly says,
Every act of aggression by a State against the territorial integrity or the inviolability of the territory or against the sovereignty or political independence of an American State shall be considered an act of aggression against the other American States.
This principle has nothing to do with the size or wealth of any nation such as Eritrea, or whatever percentage of its population is outside. Self-defense in alliance with other friendly State(s) is legitimate by the UN Charter or other standards of international law. Little parcel of land or not, the issue of the border had been a partial cause of war, and it must end legally and peacefully. I don't see Issaias or Eritrea in any way gambling for regional power at the expense of its or any other country's future. Eritrea is only doing its business in working for better regional cooperation for peace and development.
Aurorae wrote:
12 Jul 2020, 09:46
Military intervention in a sovereign country is outlawed by the UN unless both houses of the UN approve it. Powerful countries can get away with it provided that they have reasonable ground. US in Kuwait is a very good example. Actually, the U.S. did the U.N. a favor by doing so although "Oil" was perhaps the primary motive. Little countries like Eritrea can lose their sovereignty if it is sheer uninvited invasion. Making the border problem as a pretext will not help the quality of life of the Eritrean people. Eritrea lost 30% to 40% of its population since its independence, It is one of the poorest countries in the world. Why entangle the poor people of Eritrean to a continuous danger. Ethiopia is a mush bigger country. It can handle its own problems. The extreme hate toward TPLF by the supporters of the Eritrean government is just a cover. TPLF is holding some useless parcel of Eritrean lands that is already recognized as part Eritrea anyway. What is Badme for Weyane, nothing, other than to get Isayas busy. That is all. TPLF has already divided the Oromo leadership under Abby's watch. Abby wouldn't be where he is if he wasn't Oromo. Abby has a huge homework. TPLF does not to have to fire a single bullet right now. Abby is a gifted politician. But, next election is up in the air. Trust me, the last thing he needs is Isayas' military help. :lol: TPLF has deep root in Tigray. Its disappearance is very unlikely. However, Abby can woo the people of Tigray through many peaceful ways available to him. TPLF leaders can be held liable for any kind of mistreatment of Tigrayan opposition leadership circles. The likes of Jawar can also be held under subversive activities such as inciting the crowd to endanger civilians. Isayas needs to ignore TPLF and secure the future of Eritrea rather than gamble for reginal power at the expense of its existence.

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