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[Horus]

[Gallo]

A book written by Chines Military generals called "Unrestricted Warfare: China’s Master Plan to Destroy America"

You can download and read it here

https://www.c4i.org/unrestricted.pdf

[Horus]

A book written by Chines Military generals called "Unrestricted Warfare: China’s Master Plan to Destroy America"

You can download and read it here

https://www.c4i.org/unrestricted.pdf

Yes, I posted similar point of view 2 months ago and some folks thought I was engaging in conspiracy . I believe that this is a global economic and geostrategic war between US and China. World economic order will not be the same for a while - post COVID -19.

[Gallo]

A filmmaker Guy who Lived in china for a decade and who speaks the language says "I Found The Source of the Coronavirus"

Dr Shi Zhengli, known as China's “bat woman”

[Naga Tuma]

Yes, I posted similar point of view 2 months ago and some folks thought I was engaging in conspiracy . I believe that this is a global economic and geostrategic war between US and China. World economic order will not be the same for a while - post COVID -19.

Horus,

I remember your post a few weeks ago where you wrote This particular virus travelled from the sea to human in Wuhan China.

Are you referring to a different post here? So, is it a geostrategic war or a microscopic virus coming out of a sea to humans in Wuhan, China?

I took a quick scan of the preface of this paper. It sounds a reaction to what was already observed instead of an imagination of what was not there already. I remember that time when computer science was high in demand and Engineers flocked to become computer scientists. I have noticed later on that some of those Engineers didn't become the best of computer scientists. In my limited understanding about computer science, Bill Gates flushed out Windows and ran away with DOS and FORTRAN. I also remember news of Bioengineering becoming a new frontier of learning in the 2010's just like Information Technology became the dominant frontier in the 2000's.

[Horus]

Naga Tuma,

Have you listened to the full video?

[Naga Tuma]

Horus,

I admit that I haven't listened to it yet. My question about the disparity of the source is independent of what is in the video, no?

[Horus]

Horus,

I admit that I haven't listened to it yet. My question about the disparity of the source is independent of what is in the video, no?

Naga Tuma,
Remeber why I respect you? Because I believed that you base your views on facts. Let us not be cheer leaders of any power ! What is the fact of Corona?

[Naga Tuma]

Horus,

You are mistaken here. My reaction is not about cheer leading. It is about your own statements in two instances, which are inconsistent.

[Horus]

Horus,

You are mistaken here. My reaction is not about cheer leading. It is about your own statements in two instances, which are inconsistent.

Naga Tuma,

I get it, but the video has some disturbing stories. You ought to listen and make your own judgement about it. I don't believe in everything is the tape but listen to it & you will see what I mean .

[Gallo]

America starts its War with Dog eater China

[Gallo]

Horus, read this document which was written by two Chines researcher doctors on 06 February 2020 but soon censored and deleted by China communist government

https://srv-file7.gofile.io/download/D4 ... oB-Res.pdf

The possible origins of 2019-nCoV coronavirus

Botao Xiao1,2* and Lei Xiao3

1 Joint International Research Laboratory of Synthetic Biology and Medicine, School of Biology and Biological Engineering, South China University of Technology, Guangzhou 510006, China

2 School of Physics, Huazhong University of Science and Technology, Wuhan 430074, China

3 Tian You Hospital, Wuhan University of Science and Technology, Wuhan 430064, China

Corresponding author: [email protected]

Tel / Fax: 86-20-3938-0631

The 2019-nCoV coronavirus has caused an epidemic of 28,060 laboratory-confirmed infections in human including 564 deaths in China by February 6, 2020. Two descriptions of the virus published on Nature this week indicated that the genome sequences from patients were 96% or 89% identical to the Bat CoV ZC45 coronavirus originally found in Rhinolophus affinis 1,2. It was critical to study where the pathogen came from and how it passed onto human.

An article published on The Lancet reported that 41 people in Wuhan were found to have the acute respiratory syndrome and 27 of them had contact with Huanan Seafood Market 3. The 2019-nCoV was found in 33 out of 585 samples collected in the market after the outbreak. The market was suspected to be the origin of the epidemic, and was shut down according to the rule of quarantine the source during an epidemic.

The bats carrying CoV ZC45 were originally found in Yunnan or Zhejiang province, both of which were more than 900 kilometers away from the seafood market. Bats were normally found to live in caves and trees. But the seafood market is in a densely-populated district of Wuhan, a metropolitan of ~15 million people. The probability was very low for the bats to fly to the market. According to municipal reports and the testimonies of 31 residents and 28 visitors, the bat was never a food source in the city, and no bat was traded in the market. There was possible natural recombination or intermediate host of the coronavirus, yet little proof has been reported.

Was there any other possible pathway? We screened the area around the seafood market and identified two laboratories conducting research on bat coronavirus. Within ~280 meters from the market, there was the Wuhan Center for Disease Control & Prevention (WHCDC) (Figure 1, from Baidu and Google maps).

WHCDC hosted animals in laboratories for research purpose, one of which was specialized in pathogens collection and identification 4- 6. In one of their studies, 155 bats including Rhinolophus affinis were captured in Hubei province, and other 450 bats were captured in Zhejiang province 4. The expert in collection was noted in the Author Contributions (JHT). Moreover, he was broadcasted for collecting viruses on nation-wide newspapers and websites in 2017 and 2019 7,8. He described that he was once attacked by bats and the blood of a bat shot on his skin. He knew the extreme danger of the infection so he quarantined himself for 14 days 7. In another accident, he quarantined himself again because bats peed on him. He was once thrilled for capturing a bat carrying a live tick8.

Surgery was performed on the caged animals and the tissue samples were collected for DNA and RNA extraction and sequencing 4, 5. The tissue samples and contaminated trashes were source of pathogens. They were only ~280 meters from the seafood market. The WHCDC was also adjacent to the Union Hospital (Figure 1, bottom) where the first group of doctors were infected during this epidemic. It is plausible that the virus leaked around and some of them contaminated the initial patients in this epidemic, though solid proofs are needed in future study.

The second laboratory was ~12 kilometers from the seafood market and belonged to Wuhan Institute of Virology, Chinese Academy of Sciences 1, 9, 10. This laboratory reported that the Chinese horseshoe bats were natural reservoirs for the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus (SARS-CoV) which caused the 2002-3 pandemic 9. The principle investigator participated in a project which generated a chimeric virus using the SARS-CoV reverse genetics system, and reported the potential for human emergence 10. A direct speculation was that SARS-CoV or its derivative might leak from the laboratory.

In summary, somebody was entangled with the evolution of 2019-nCoV coronavirus. In addition to origins of natural recombination and intermediate host, the killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan. Safety level may need to be reinforced in high risk biohazardous laboratories. Regulations may be taken to relocate these laboratories far away from city center and other densely populated places.

Acknowledgements

This work is supported by the National Natural Science Foundation of China (11772133, 11372116).

Declaration of interests

All authors declare no competing interests.

References

1. Zhou P, Yang X-L, Wang X-G, et al. A pneumonia outbreak associated with a new coronavirus of probable bat origin. Nature 2020. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-020-2012-7.

2. Wu F, Zhao S, Yu B, et al. A new coronavirus associated with human respiratory disease in China. Nature 2020. https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-020-2008-3.

3. Huang C, Wang Y, Li X, et al. Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus in Wuhan, China. The Lancet 2019. https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140- 6736(20)30183-5.

4. Guo WP, Lin XD, Wang W, et al. Phylogeny and origins of hantaviruses harbored by bats, insectivores, and rodents. PLoS pathogens 2013; 9(2): e1003159.

5. Lu M, Tian JH, Yu B, Guo WP, Holmes EC, Zhang YZ. Extensive diversity of rickettsiales bacteria in ticks from Wuhan, China. Ticks and tick-borne diseases 2017; 8(4): 574-80.

6. Shi M, Lin XD, Chen X, et al. The evolutionary history of vertebrate RNA viruses. Nature 2018; 556(7700): 197-202.

7. Tao P. Expert in Wuhan collected ten thousands animals: capture bats in mountain at night. Changjiang Times 2017.

8. Li QX, Zhanyao. Playing with elephant dung, fishing for sea bottom mud: the work that will change China's future. thepaper 2019.

9. Ge XY, Li JL, Yang XL, et al. Isolation and characterization of a bat SARS-like coronavirus that uses the ACE2 receptor. Nature 2013; 503(7477): 535-8.

10. Menachery VD, Yount BL, Jr., Debbink K, et al. A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence. Nature medicine 2015; 21(12): 1508-13.

[Naga Tuma]

Horus,

You are mistaken here. My reaction is not about cheer leading. It is about your own statements in two instances, which are inconsistent.

Naga Tuma,

I get it, but the video has some disturbing stories. You ought to listen and make your own judgement about it. I don't believe in everything is the tape but listen to it & you will see what I mean .

Horus,

Thank you. I respect people who respect facts.

I took time to listen to the first video. It only reinforced my reaction to your post a few weeks ago where I wrote that it would be hard to reach a conclusion that linked the source to nature.

It is asserted here that a lab may be the source. Without watching the video, I gave you an analogy of DOS and Windows in computer science. Watching the video only reinforced the analogy.

Once it is concluded that a lab, not nature, is the source, I am not going to get ahead of where the trail of science takes it. That is what I mean when I say show me the DOS instead of the Windows.