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[justo]

Tegaru have recently started a campaign of calling Eritreans northern Tegaru. They also claim that "northern Tegaru" are ዓሻታት and southern Tegaru ለባማት, which begs the question of why there should be a character difference between the two groups, why are "ዓሻታት" on the northern side and "ለባማት" on the southern side of the Mereb river?

Eritreans also agree with the Tigrés on the fact that there is huge character difference between the two groups, Eritreans considering themselves ሕቡናት and considering Tegarus ሕሱራት.

Both Eritreans and Tegarus seem to agree that Eritreans and Tegaru are different people with different psychological make up, the only disagreement being in the allocation of the ዓሻታት/ለባማት ሕቡናት/ሕሱራት attribution.

So the recent campaign of defining Eritreans as Tegaru is not a cultural, anthropological, sociological or psychological observation, but a political campaign.

[sebdoyeley]

Tegaru have recently started a campaign of calling Eritreans northern Tegaru. They also claim that "northern Tegaru" are ዓሻታት and southern Tegaru ለባማት, which begs the question of why there should be a character difference between the two groups, why are "ዓሻታት" on the northern side and "ለባማት" on the southern side of the Mereb river?

Eritreans also agree with the Tigrés on the fact that there is huge character difference between the two groups, Eritreans considering themselves ሕቡናት and considering Tegarus ሕሱራት.

Both Eritreans and Tegarus seem to agree that Eritreans and Tegaru are different people with different psychological make up, the only disagreement being in the allocation of the ዓሻታት/ለባማት ሕቡናት/ሕሱራት attribution.

So the recent campaign of defining Eritreans as Tegaru is not a cultural, anthropological, sociological or psychological observation, but a political campaign.

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[Zmeselo]

Tegaru have recently started a campaign of calling Eritreans northern Tegaru. They also claim that "northern Tegaru" are ዓሻታት and southern Tegaru ለባማት, which begs the question of why there should be a character difference between the two groups, why are "ዓሻታት" on the northern side and "ለባማት" on the southern side of the Mereb river?

Eritreans also agree with the Tigrés on the fact that there is huge character difference between the two groups, Eritreans considering themselves ሕቡናት and considering Tegarus ሕሱራት.

Both Eritreans and Tegarus seem to agree that Eritreans and Tegaru are different people with different psychological make up, the only disagreement being in the allocation of the ዓሻታት/ለባማት ሕቡናት/ሕሱራት attribution.

So the recent campaign of defining Eritreans as Tegaru is not a cultural, anthropological, sociological or psychological observation, but a political campaign.

They should use the term- ጥዑማት- for Eritreans & እከያት for themselves. ብሩኻት for us, & ርጉማት for them. ደቂ'ዝጊሄር for us- ደቂ ሰይጣን for them.

[Halafi Mengedi]

All of the talking points are coming from your mouth. Stop putting in someone's mouth your own thoughts.

North Tigray is Tigray land and Bahri Tigray is any Tigrayan Bahri. If Italy the criminal had his own land and Bahri he would not have left the region and anyone looted properties does not have any right to give it to anyone as his properties.

[justo]

All of the talking points are coming from your mouth. Stop to putting in someone's mouth your own thoughts.
North Tigray is Tigray land and Bahri Tigray is any Tigrayan Bahri. If Italy the criminal had his own land and Bahri he would not have left the region and anyone looted properties does not have any right to give it to anyone as his properties.

These are deeply ingrained in our psyches, it is nobody's talking points, look at our proverbs, both your and ours
From Eritrea
ልቢ ትግራዋይ ትኽ ተበለ ከም ማዕጺድ
ሽሕ አንተኾነ ሕያዋይ ኣይትእመን ትግራዋይ

From Tigray
ንዶርሆ ብማሸላ ንሓማሸናይ ብማሕላ

Look also at the pairs of attributes suggested by bro Zmeselo, which reflect the Eritrean psyche

So the differences are deeply ingrained in the folklore of the two people, they cannot be wished away by a campaign of calling Eritreans "northern tegarus"

[Halafi Mengedi]

Tigray is not working to keep the bologna maids Eritrea worshipers but our Bahri Tigray is per our population 75% of Bahri Tigray belongs to Tigrayan worshipers but if the north Tigray wants to join them the entire Bahri Tigray is ours with the ethnics who live with us. People can go or worship anything they want and we are not interested where you want to live and what you want to worship but Bahri Tigray is for all Tigrayans and the other ethnics. Any Tigrayan and ethnics within the Tigray territories are entitle to live and have free movements.

[sebdoyeley]

All of the talking points are coming from your mouth. Stop putting in someone's mouth your own thoughts.

North Tigray is Tigray land and Bahri Tigray is any Tigrayan Bahri. If Italy the criminal had his own land and Bahri he would not have left the region and anyone looted properties does not have any right to give it to anyone as his properties.

shut up agame homeless, country less, worthless kilil, parasite people, no dignified culture, nothing shut the fuckk up.

[Deqi-Arawit]

All of the talking points are coming from your mouth. Stop to putting in someone's mouth your own thoughts.
North Tigray is Tigray land and Bahri Tigray is any Tigrayan Bahri. If Italy the criminal had his own land and Bahri he would not have left the region and anyone looted properties does not have any right to give it to anyone as his properties.

These are deeply ingrained in our psyches, it is nobody's talking points, look at our proverbs, both your and ours
From Eritrea
ልቢ ትግራዋይ ትኽ ተበለ ከም ማዕጺድ
ሽሕ አንተኾነ ሕያዋይ ኣይትእመን ትግራዋይ

From Tigray
ንዶርሆ ብማሸላ ንሓማሸናይ ብማሕላ

Look also at the pairs of attributes suggested by bro Zmeselo, which reflect the Eritrean psyche

So the differences are deeply ingrained in the folklore of the two people, they cannot be wished away by a campaign of calling Eritreans "northern tegarus"

Weizero justina
Correction, the second proverb was attributed to Muslims not tigrians. Stick to facts

[Deqi-Arawit]

Tigray is not working to keep the bologna maids Eritrea worshipers but our Bahri Tigray is per our population 75% of Bahri Tigray belongs to Tigrayan worshipers but if the north Tigray wants to join them the entire Bahri Tigray is ours with the ethnics who live with us. People can go or worship anything they want and we are not interested where you want to live and what you want to worship but Bahri Tigray is for all Tigrayans and the other ethnics. Any Tigrayan and ethnics within the Tigray territories are entitle to live and have free movements.

Halaf mitri
When the "union" kicked your [deleted], all of a sudden you want to claim the eritrean highlanders . What happened to tigrians Teret Teret that they are going flush the tigrigna speaking People in Eritrea into the red sea? And you would install behere behere sobech to break the back bone of northern men.

[Aurorae]

Halafi wrote,

Tigray is not working to keep the bologna maids Eritrea worshipers but our Bahri Tigray is per our population 75% of Bahri Tigray belongs to Tigrayan worshipers but if the north Tigray wants to join them the entire Bahri Tigray is ours with the ethnics who live with us. People can go or worship anything they want and we are not interested where you want to live and what you want to worship but Bahri Tigray is for all Tigrayans and the other ethnics. Any Tigrayan and ethnics within the Tigray territories are entitle to live and have free movements.

Halafi,
You are desperate That agazan bull_[deleted] is not working for ya. Is it? There is no such thing as Bahri Tigray unless you are talking about the little pond in Wuqro where people use it as expedient restroom Eritrean map will never change. It is recognized by the UN through the internaltional and OAU treaties negotiated back in 1945. Haile Sellasie signed in the red dot along with African diginitaries of the time. Nikrumah was one. Eritrea commands 1000 km of the RedSea costal lines. I don't know what this Bahri Tigray bull_[deleted] is. Give it to rest. It will never work

[justo]

Weizero justina
Correction, the second proverb was attributed to Muslims not tigrians. Stick to facts

I never heard it being used against our muslim countrymen. When growing up, I never heard of any anti-muslim bias, on the contrary, muslims were respected for their contribution in the beginning of the struggle and for the hell they were put through by Hailesilassie, before the derg also put the kebessa through hell.

So agazit haftey, I'll stick with my facts, where I grew up, the second misla was used the way I put it.But in any case, the first and third misilatat would still prove my point

[justo]

Tigray is not working to keep the bologna maids Eritrea worshipers but our Bahri Tigray is per our population 75% of Bahri Tigray belongs to Tigrayan worshipers but if the north Tigray wants to join them the entire Bahri Tigray is ours with the ethnics who live with us. People can go or worship anything they want and we are not interested where you want to live and what you want to worship but Bahri Tigray is for all Tigrayans and the other ethnics. Any Tigrayan and ethnics within the Tigray territories are entitle to live and have free movements.

You're funny, old man, Rip Van Winkle.
You've been sleeping and seem to have walk up a bit too late, a century too late.
You could have bought a sizeable bit of territory in the last century, as the US did from Russia and Mexico.
Now it is too late, ownership has solidified.
Besides, the enormous difference in the psychological make-up between our two groups would make even simple commerce of chew & berbere difficult, let alone having warm cordial relations.

[justo]

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ብሓርፋፍ ከባቢ ፍርቂ ህዝቢ ኤርትራ ቓንቓ ትግርኛ ከምዝዛረብ: ኣብ ኢትዮጵያ ከኣ 5% ኣቢሎም ትግርኛ ከምዝዛረቡ ይፍለጥ። ኣብ መላእ ኣፍሪቃ ዘለዋ ሃገራት: ምስ ጎረባብተን ዘራኽበን 3-4 ቓንቓ ኣለወን። ኣብ ካልእ ዓለም ምስ እንርኢ ንኣብነት እንግሊዝኛ: ክልተ ሰለስተ ውቕያኖስ ሰጊሩ ቓንቓ ዝተፈላለያ ሃገራት እዩ። ብዛዕባ ኣቓውማን ጉዕዞን ቓንቓታት ብዙሕ ምዝራብ ይከኣል እዩ: ንግዝይኡ ንግደፎ። ኣኽሱም፥ ተጋሩ፥ ትግርኛ እናተባህለ ብዙሕ ጽጽዋይ ተጻሒፉ እዩ እሱውን ንግዚኡ ንግደፎ: ኣብዚ ንምጥቃሱ ግን ኣብ ግዜ ኣኽሱም ቓንቓ ትግርኛ ዝበሃል ኣይነበረን። ኣሎ ዝብል እንተ ኣሎ ሓብሩና። ልዕሊ ኩሉ ግን እዚ ናይ 1000ዶ 3000 ዓመት ዝበሃል ጽውጽዋይ ታሪኻዊ መበገሲ የብሉን። መሳፍንቲ ኣምሓራን ትግራይን ብዝመወልዎም ሰናዕቲ ዝተጻሕፈ እዩ። ሓደ ከም ምንጪ ታሪኽ ዝጥቀስ ብግሪኻዊ/ሮማዊ ዝተጻሕፈ ኤራትረያ ሲ ዝብል ጹሑፍ ናይ ጥንቲ (ቀዳማይ ሓበራዊ ዘመን) ቀንዲ ስልጣነ ኢሉ ዝጠቅሳ ምስ ቁረባን ርሑቅን ትነግድ ዝነበረት ኣዱሊስ እያ። ኣዱሊስ ምስ 16 ስልጣኔታ ንግዳዊ ርክብ ከም ዝነበራ ብዝርዝር ብምግላጽ ሓንቲ ካብአን ኣኽሱም ይጠቅስ። እቲ ጽሑፍ ብንጹር ኣዱሊሴን ኣኽስሙን ነናይ ገዛእ ርእሰን ነገስታት ከም ዝነበርወን የነጽር። ኣብቲ ታሪኻዊ ሰነድ ልዑል ኣገዳስነት ዘንብር ኣብ ኣዱሊስ እዩ። ኣኽሱም ሒደት ግዜ እያ ትጥቀስ። ነዚ ከም መበገሲ ተወሲዱ ተሰኒዑ ብዙሕ ተጻሒፉ። ኣኽሱም ዓባይን ኣገዳሲትን ከምዝነበረት ርዱእ እዩ። ኣዲሊስ ከኣ ነብሳ ዝኸኣለት ማዕረ ምስ ሮማውያን ብዙሕ ርክብ ከምዝነበራ ይፍለጥ። ኣብዚ ዝመጽእ ዓሰርት ዓመታት ከኣ ብዙሕ ታሪኽ ኣዱሊስ ክንሰምዕ ኢና። ኣዱሊስ ኣብ ናይ ሎሚ ኤርትራ ትርከብ። ታሪኽ ኤርትራ መቀጸልታ ታሪኽ ኣዱሊስ እዩ ምባል ግን ጽውጽዋይ ጥራይ እዩ። ይትረፍዶ ናይ ቅድሚ 2000 ዓመት ስልጣኔታት: ቄድሚ ኤውሮጳውያን ገዛእቲ ምእታውም ኣብ ኣፍሪቃ ከምዚ ሎሚ ንፈልጦ ዶበን ፍሉጥ ሃገራትን ኣይነበራን። ንህዝቢ ዘራኽብ መንገዲ: መራኸቢታትን መሳለጥያትን ኣይነበረን። መብዛሕትኦም 2-3 ወለዶ ኣብታትናን ኣዴታትናን እንተርሓቁ ጎደቦ ዓዶም እያ ኔራ መገሸኦም። ርክብ ኣብ ጸቢብ ትርብዒት ኪሎመተር ዝተሓጸረ እዩ ኔሩ። ሰፊሕ ከባቢ ዘመሓድሩ ሽሞኛታት ወይ ነገስታት: ኣብ ግዜ ሰላም ቀረጽ ዝበልዑ ኣብ ግዜ ውግእ ጎበዝ ዝወስዱ ኔሮም ። ርክብ ህዝቢ ግን ኣይነበረን ። ይትረፍዶ ምስ ኣብ ትግራይ ዝነበሩ ተዛረብቲ ትግርኛ፥ ኣብ ዓዲ ገብራይን ዛግርን ዝነበሩ ዘራኽብ ኣይነበሮምን። ኮይኑ ተሪፉ ገለ ክፋል ናይ ሎሚ ኤርትራ ንናይ ትግራይ መሳፍንትን ናይ ሱዳን ድርቡሽን ከም ጨካናት: ሸፋቱን ከተርትን ጥራይ እዩ ክሪኦም ዝኽእል ነይሩ። ጥልያን ብሓይልን ምፍርራሕን ናይ ሎሚ ኤርትራ ሃኒጹ። ዝተኾበሉ ንጉስ የለን ። ብዙሓት ኤርትራውያን ከኣ ካብ መቅዘፍቲ ሸፋቱ ትግራይን ድርቡሽን ክድሕኑ ሓጊዘሞ። ገለ ክፋል ኤርትራውያን ትግርኛ ንዛረብ: ኣብ ታሪኽ እንተ ተመሊስና ግን ምስ ተጋሩ ዘረሓሕቀና እምበር ዘቀራርበና ነገር የለን ። ናይ ሕሉፋት ገበን ንታሪኽ ገዲፍና: ኩም ጎረባብቲ ምስዚ ሕጂ ዘሎ ወለዶ ተኸባቢርና ንንበር ካልእ ሕቶ እዩ: ጽቡቕ ታሪኻዊ ሕውነት ይኹን ዝምድና ግን ኣይነበረን። ጥልያን ኤርትራ ሰሪሑ: ኣብ ቃልሲ ከኣ ባዕልና ኤርትራዊ ሃገራዊ መንነት ሃኒጽና። ሎሚ ካብ ሓደ ጫፍ ክሳብ ካልእ ጫፍ ዘሎ ኤርትራዊ ኣብ ሰዓታት ይራኸብ። ኤርትራዊ ዋላ ዝዛረቦ ቓንቓ ከይተረዳደአ: ብመሪር ቃልሲን ክቡር ዋጋ ዝኸፈለሉን ስነ ኣእምራዊ ኤርትራዊ ቓንቓን ኤርትራዊ መንነቱ ሓደ እዩ። ሓደ ልቢ ንብል ከኣ እዚ ንምግላጽ እዩ።

[justo]

Present seems to agree that Eritreans and Tegarus are different, he calls Eritreans ascaris and Tegarus patriotic Ethiopians. Even duruyew Sebhat Nega seems to agree and calls Eritreans arrogant and Tegarus humble. The political campaign Tigray is conducting does not have social basis.

Even looking at the four organisations they created, Jebha and Shaebia in the case of Eritrea and woyane and EDU in the case of the Tigrés, is enough to convince you of the fundamental differences there is between these two societies,

[Deqi-Arawit]

Weizero justina
Correction, the second proverb was attributed to Muslims not tigrians. Stick to facts

I never heard it being used against our muslim countrymen. When growing up, I never heard of any anti-muslim bias, on the contrary, muslims were respected for their contribution in the beginning of the struggle and for the hell they were put through by Hailesilassie, before the derg also put the kebessa through hell.

So agazit haftey, I'll stick with my facts, where I grew up, the second misla was used the way I put it.But in any case, the first and third misilatat would still prove my point

Weizero josina. I can give you dozens of proverb which proves my point.



ጦብላሕ ዝብል ቀላይን ዎላህ ዎላህ ዝብል ኣስላማይን ኣይትእመን !


ጥረ-ምረ ዓተር ዝኣተዋ ከብድን ፥ ኣስላማይ ዝኣተዋ ዓድን ቀሲነን ኣይቀስናን.

[Zmeselo]

Taken from, Meles Zenawi’s interview with Paul Henze in 1990

Paul B. Henze: This bring us to Eritrea and the EPLF. How are your relations with the EPLF? Do you talk to Isaias Afewerki?

Meles Zenawi: I talk to Isaias often. We have no disagreements now. During the 1970s we worked together and had no serious disagreements with them. In 1984 we broke relations. The break was over different understandings of the Soviet Union. They still believed the Soviet Union offered a model for the future and that it could be reformed. They argued that the Soviets were misled on Ethiopia. They wanted to persuade the Soviets to support them instead of the Derg. They thought the Soviet system was a model they could apply in Eritrea. We thought this was foolish because we had learned in Tigray that we had to develop our own model and apply our own system in accordance with our own conditions and practical experience. We watched all these talks where the Soviets tried to use the Italians and the East Germans to bring the Derg and the EPLF together and we always thought nothing could come of them. We were right.

So we had very poor relations with the EPLF for four years, 1984-88. Then we worked out an agreement again. They came to see the Soviet Union the way we did. They gave up their illusions. They saw what was happening in the Soviet Union under Gorbachev . After their great victory over the Derg at Afabet in early 1988, we both began to cooperate again. They have given us help, but we are still a very independent movement. We are not dependant on them. We control all of Tigray now. We would not want to be dependant on anybody from the outside. We won our battle at Enda Sellassie with our own strength. If they had not helped us, it might have taken longer, but we would still have won. But that does not mean that we see everything the way EPLF does. I want to assure you of that.

PBH: What are your differences?

MZ: The EPLF has a much more difficult situation than we do. Many of our differences result from that, and we have an understanding and sympathy for their position. In Tigray we have a united people. No more than 10% of our people are Muslims and our Muslims are Tigreans first and Muslims only second. That is not true in Eritrea. The population is much more divided. The Eritrean Muslims themselves are divided. There are at least three groups among them. They don’t see things the same way the Christians do. The EPLF has some of them with it and its policies have been sensible — it is trying to make the Muslims part of a united movement. But that is not possible and the closer the EPLF comes to taking power in Eritrea the more dangerous this issue becomes. There are serious tensions between Eritrean Christians and Muslims in Sudan. This will become apparent in Eritrea when the Derg’s control is gone. We do not have this problem among Tigrean refugees. They all stick together – the Christians do not resent the Muslims and the Muslims do not feel oppressed by the Christians.

PBH: And separatism – how do you see this issue in comparison with the attitude of Eritreans?

MZ: The EPLF has the problem that the population hates the Derg so much that it has all become separatist. The population wants independence to be declared as soon as the EPLF takes Asmara. Isaias understands some of the difficulties of this because he has thought a lot about it in the past year. But he has terrible pressures from his people. It is a difficult issue for him.

PBH: Are the Eritrean highland Christians as strongly in favor of an immediate declaration of independence as Muslims?

MZ: There are different opinions on this, but we think that the whole population wants independence. They may not understand what it means. These people were once strongly in favor of unity with Ethiopia. The Shoan Amharas destroyed that feeling. The highlanders are getting more impatient than the leadership of the EPLF. Isaias sees problems in independence and does not want to rush and create difficulties for himself, but he doesn’t have full control over this issue.

PBH: What would be your preferences?

MZ: We look at this from the viewpoints of the interests of Tigray first, and then Ethiopia as a whole. We would like to see Eritrea continuing to have a relationship with Ethiopia. We know that Tigray needs access to the sea, and the only way is through Eritrea. Whether Eritrea is part of Ethiopia or independent, we need this access and, therefore, must have close ties. There are many Tigrayans in Eritrea. They are concerned. They don’t want to be treated as foreigners there. There has always been close connections between Tigray and Eritrea for the highland people are all the same. They have the same history. We are worried about Eritrea because we are not sure that differences among different groups can be kept under control. Everything could be destroyed there if people begin fighting each other. When the EPLF takes over Asmara, they will have a difficult burrito, because they have to keep the people together. Some of the Muslims will favor separatism but there is no strength in unity among them on this issue. The ELF has no active strength in Eritrea now, but it still exists in Sudan and there are many Muslims who sympathize with it.

Weizero justina
Correction, the second proverb was attributed to Muslims not tigrians. Stick to facts

I never heard it being used against our muslim countrymen. When growing up, I never heard of any anti-muslim bias, on the contrary, muslims were respected for their contribution in the beginning of the struggle and for the hell they were put through by Hailesilassie, before the derg also put the kebessa through hell.

So agazit haftey, I'll stick with my facts, where I grew up, the second misla was used the way I put it.But in any case, the first and third misilatat would still prove my point

Weizero josina. I can give you dozens of proverb which proves my point.



ጦብላሕ ዝብል ቀላይን ዎላህ ዎላህ ዝብል ኣስላማይን ኣይትእመን !


ጥረ-ምረ ዓተር ዝኣተዋ ከብድን ፥ ኣስላማይ ዝኣተዋ ዓድን ቀሲነን ኣይቀስናን.

[justo]

Weizero josina. I can give you dozens of proverb which proves my point.

ጦብላሕ ዝብል ቀላይን ዎላህ ዎላህ ዝብል ኣስላማይን ኣይትእመን !
ጥረ-ምረ ዓተር ዝኣተዋ ከብድን ፥ ኣስላማይ ዝኣተዋ ዓድን ቀሲነን ኣይቀስናን.

ኣግኣዚት ሓፍተይ እዚ ኣብቲ ዓድኺ ኣብ ኣኽሱምዩ።
ኣብ ኤርትራ ኣስላማይ ክስታናይ መታሕት ከበሳ ኩሉ በዓል መሬት በዓል ንብረትዩ።
ኣብ ዝደለዮ ኸይዱ መስጊድ ይሰርሕ ኣብ ዝደለዮ ኸይዱ ቤተ ክርስትያን ይሰርሕ።
ኣብ ታሪኽ ኤርትራ ኣስላማይ ክስታናይ ተጋጭዩ ኣይፈልጥን።
ይከባበር
ይፋቶ
ይተሓባበር
ፍልልይ ከምዘለዎ ይፈልጥ ግን ይፋቐር።
እዚ ኣብ ሃገርኪ ሓሊምኪ ዘይትረኽብዮ ሃብቲዩ።

[justo]

Weizero josina. I can give you dozens of proverb which proves my point.

ጦብላሕ ዝብል ቀላይን ዎላህ ዎላህ ዝብል ኣስላማይን ኣይትእመን !

ጥረ-ምረ ዓተር ዝኣተዋ ከብድን ፥ ኣስላማይ ዝኣተዋ ዓድን ቀሲነን ኣይቀስናን.

ኣቲ ፋራ ኣበይ ዲኺ ዓቢኺ። ኣብ ከምዚ ዝብል ሕብረተሰብ ዲኺ ዓቢኺ።
እዚ ኣብ ገዛኺ ዝተማሀርክዮዩ??
ሓቓያ Edu shikor ክትንዕቀኪ።
እንታያ ትብለኪ "የሆነች ከብት" ድያ ትብለኪ
ብልሽውቲ ፎካስ ... ሙታንቲ ዘይብላ!
ቅልዕቲ!

[Deqi-Arawit]

Weizero josina. I can give you dozens of proverb which proves my point.

ጦብላሕ ዝብል ቀላይን ዎላህ ዎላህ ዝብል ኣስላማይን ኣይትእመን !
ጥረ-ምረ ዓተር ዝኣተዋ ከብድን ፥ ኣስላማይ ዝኣተዋ ዓድን ቀሲነን ኣይቀስናን.

ኣግኣዚት ሓፍተይ እዚ ኣብቲ ዓድኺ ኣብ ኣኽሱምዩ።
ኣብ ኤርትራ ኣስላማይ ክስታናይ መታሕት ከበሳ ኩሉ በዓል መሬት በዓል ንብረትዩ።
ኣብ ዝደለዮ ኸይዱ መስጊድ ይሰርሕ ኣብ ዝደለዮ ኸይዱ ቤተ ክርስትያን ይሰርሕ።
ኣብ ታሪኽ ኤርትራ ኣስላማይ ክስታናይ ተጋጭዩ ኣይፈልጥን።
ይከባበር
ይፋቶ
ይተሓባበር
ፍልልይ ከምዘለዎ ይፈልጥ ግን ይፋቐር።
እዚ ኣብ ሃገርኪ ሓሊምኪ ዘይትረኽብዮ ሃብቲዩ።

ሓሳዊ ለኽባጥ. እንዳ ኣምሰሉ

[Deqi-Arawit]

Taken from, Meles Zenawi’s interview with Paul Henze in 1990

Paul B. Henze: This bring us to Eritrea and the EPLF. How are your relations with the EPLF? Do you talk to Isaias Afewerki?

Meles Zenawi: I talk to Isaias often. We have no disagreements now. During the 1970s we worked together and had no serious disagreements with them. In 1984 we broke relations. The break was over different understandings of the Soviet Union. They still believed the Soviet Union offered a model for the future and that it could be reformed. They argued that the Soviets were misled on Ethiopia. They wanted to persuade the Soviets to support them instead of the Derg. They thought the Soviet system was a model they could apply in Eritrea. We thought this was foolish because we had learned in Tigray that we had to develop our own model and apply our own system in accordance with our own conditions and practical experience. We watched all these talks where the Soviets tried to use the Italians and the East Germans to bring the Derg and the EPLF together and we always thought nothing could come of them. We were right.

So we had very poor relations with the EPLF for four years, 1984-88. Then we worked out an agreement again. They came to see the Soviet Union the way we did. They gave up their illusions. They saw what was happening in the Soviet Union under Gorbachev . After their great victory over the Derg at Afabet in early 1988, we both began to cooperate again. They have given us help, but we are still a very independent movement. We are not dependant on them. We control all of Tigray now. We would not want to be dependant on anybody from the outside. We won our battle at Enda Sellassie with our own strength. If they had not helped us, it might have taken longer, but we would still have won. But that does not mean that we see everything the way EPLF does. I want to assure you of that.

PBH: What are your differences?

MZ: The EPLF has a much more difficult situation than we do. Many of our differences result from that, and we have an understanding and sympathy for their position. In Tigray we have a united people. No more than 10% of our people are Muslims and our Muslims are Tigreans first and Muslims only second. That is not true in Eritrea. The population is much more divided. The Eritrean Muslims themselves are divided. There are at least three groups among them. They don’t see things the same way the Christians do. The EPLF has some of them with it and its policies have been sensible — it is trying to make the Muslims part of a united movement. But that is not possible and the closer the EPLF comes to taking power in Eritrea the more dangerous this issue becomes. There are serious tensions between Eritrean Christians and Muslims in Sudan. This will become apparent in Eritrea when the Derg’s control is gone. We do not have this problem among Tigrean refugees. They all stick together – the Christians do not resent the Muslims and the Muslims do not feel oppressed by the Christians.

PBH: And separatism – how do you see this issue in comparison with the attitude of Eritreans?

MZ: The EPLF has the problem that the population hates the Derg so much that it has all become separatist. The population wants independence to be declared as soon as the EPLF takes Asmara. Isaias understands some of the difficulties of this because he has thought a lot about it in the past year. But he has terrible pressures from his people. It is a difficult issue for him.

PBH: Are the Eritrean highland Christians as strongly in favor of an immediate declaration of independence as Muslims?

MZ: There are different opinions on this, but we think that the whole population wants independence. They may not understand what it means. These people were once strongly in favor of unity with Ethiopia. The Shoan Amharas destroyed that feeling. The highlanders are getting more impatient than the leadership of the EPLF. Isaias sees problems in independence and does not want to rush and create difficulties for himself, but he doesn’t have full control over this issue.

PBH: What would be your preferences?

MZ: We look at this from the viewpoints of the interests of Tigray first, and then Ethiopia as a whole. We would like to see Eritrea continuing to have a relationship with Ethiopia. We know that Tigray needs access to the sea, and the only way is through Eritrea. Whether Eritrea is part of Ethiopia or independent, we need this access and, therefore, must have close ties. There are many Tigrayans in Eritrea. They are concerned. They don’t want to be treated as foreigners there. There has always been close connections between Tigray and Eritrea for the highland people are all the same. They have the same history. We are worried about Eritrea because we are not sure that differences among different groups can be kept under control. Everything could be destroyed there if people begin fighting each other. When the EPLF takes over Asmara, they will have a difficult burrito, because they have to keep the people together. Some of the Muslims will favor separatism but there is no strength in unity among them on this issue. The ELF has no active strength in Eritrea now, but it still exists in Sudan and there are many Muslims who sympathize with it.

Weizero justina
Correction, the second proverb was attributed to Muslims not tigrians. Stick to facts

I never heard it being used against our muslim countrymen. When growing up, I never heard of any anti-muslim bias, on the contrary, muslims were respected for their contribution in the beginning of the struggle and for the hell they were put through by Hailesilassie, before the derg also put the kebessa through hell.

So agazit haftey, I'll stick with my facts, where I grew up, the second misla was used the way I put it.But in any case, the first and third misilatat would still prove my point

Weizero josina. I can give you dozens of proverb which proves my point.



ጦብላሕ ዝብል ቀላይን ዎላህ ዎላህ ዝብል ኣስላማይን ኣይትእመን !


ጥረ-ምረ ዓተር ዝኣተዋ ከብድን ፥ ኣስላማይ ዝኣተዋ ዓድን ቀሲነን ኣይቀስናን.

Tigrian so called intellectuals are not worthy the name. To this day i have never seen or encountred a mature farsighted tigrian, and the midget was no different. For the record, this is not the first time i say so, you ca

They wished the tigrigna People of Eritrea to be chased and hunted but before they know it, they became at receiving end of chasing and hunting. They tried to break the backbone of the tigrigna People just like amhara by implementing the behere behere soboch crap but We are here. Today the tune has changed and We are invited to live in tigray not as guests but as owners..

In conclusion, the words and action of the midget will always be in the trash can of history.