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Menelik

Post by Ethoash » 15 Feb 2020, 16:06

Menelik was a traitor who connived with the Mahdists, the Egyptians and the Italians and he has nothing to do with the victory of Adwa except brutality and shame.

Menelik is adored and highly regarded by the Amahras but intensely detested by the rest of the Ethiopian people especially the Oromos. While Emperor Yohannes of Ethiopia was fighting foreign enemies in the North, Menelik was expanding his areas of influence south and eastwards. He treated the subjugated people in the most barbaric and harshest way possible; in Wollaita alone 120,000 people were massacred when they refused to submit to his rule. In their own land, the conquered were considered as second class citizens and were forced to work as serfs for the Shoan nobility who controlled large swathes of fertile arable lands.

The humiliation meted out by Menelik against the Oromos is felt to this day. On a number of occasions, the OLF demanded the demolition of his statue in Piazza as they found it to be a vivid reminder of their people’s utter mistreatment at his hands; it was a common practice among the Oromos to change their names in order to mask their identities and escape ridicule. Even now, the way many Amharas view the Oromos is not markedly different from that of their forefathers. But the current federal system has given the Oromos the opportunity to be the masters of their own affairs, which they did not have when the Amharas ruled the country for over a century. At this juncture, Oromia has become the number one destination for foreign investors, and the regional government appears to be determined to keep this going at an accelerated rate.

Menelik was not only brutal to his subjects, but he was also a traitor who connived with the Mahdists, the Egyptians and the Italians to bring about the defeat of Emperor Yohannes in order to crown himself as the king of Ethiopia. For his troubles, he received large quantities of weapons from the enemies of the country which he later used during the battle of Adwa. In 1887 alone, Menelik received a huge cache of Remington rifles and a substantial amount of money when he secretly signed the ‘’Convention of Neutrality’’ with the Italian invaders, which was clearly an alliance against Emperor Yohannes. The Emperor was not discouraged by this despicable deed, and, instead, concentrated his efforts into defeating the Italians once and for all. Unfortunately, he had to abandon this and hurriedly made his way to Gondar to confront the invading Mahdists. His intention was to return later to decisively deal with the Italians once he was finished with the Muslim intruders.

The Emperor fought the Mahdists with tremendous courage for a considerable period and victory was within his sight. Unfortunately, the near triumph was turned into a defeat and the Emperor was killed, and his head was decapitated and given to the Dervish’s leader as a trophy. Teklehaimanot of Gojjam who was in Gondar well before the Emperor’s arrival was so scared he decided to run leaving the enemy behind to go on the rampage. Menelik was [deleted] and never came to the aid of the Emperor. The death of Emperor Yohannes must have been a great relief to Menelik and the terrified Italians, who instantly came out of their trenches and made their way southwards. It is patently clear that Menelik and Teklehaimanot played a significant part in his death, and if he had not been sidetracked by the Mahdists and the fifth columnists Menelik and Teklehaimanot, the Italians would have been decimated by the Emperor’s commander, Ras Alula Aba Nega.



Only two months after the Emperor’s death, Menelik signed the Wuchale treaty of 2 May 1889 conceding Eritrea to the Italians, notwithstanding the valorous manner with which it was defended for nearly two decades by the Emperor’s Commander, Ras Alula. The Italians abrogated the treaty, and this led to the battle of Adwa. Thanks to the leadership of Ras Alula and the intelligence gathering skills of Basahi Awalome Haregote, Menelik was able to decisively defeat the Italians. The Italians were in disarray and it was possible to expel them from Ethiopian land all together. But Menelik chose not to, and signed the Treaty of Addis Ababa on the 23rd October 1896, sealing the fate of Eritrea. Ras Aluala asked Menelik for cavalry to drive the Italians to the ‘’sea’’ but this was declined. No doubt the Emperor’s commander would have finished off the Italians as he did in Dogali had he been given the chance to do so.

Thanks to Menelik, we are still tussling with the Eritrean issue 116 years later. During the Eritrean struggle for independence, 1961-1991, the casualties on the Eritrean side were 140,000 and on the Ethiopian side, 1.4 million. The recent Ethio-Eritrea border war resulted in the loss of 123,000 lives on both sides; thousands of people were dislocated from their homesteads, and millions of people have been forced to live as refugees in various parts of the world.

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Emperor Yohannes fought the Egyptians, Mahdists and Italians for seventeen years and yet there isn’t a statue erected anywhere in Ethiopia as a recognition for maintaining the territorial integrity of the country under very adverse conditions. A Street is named after him around Ethiopia hotel in Addis Ababa and it is written as Yohannes instead of Emperor Yohannes. There is a statue of Menelik in Piazza and Emperor Theodore’s Sebastopol Mortar in Churchill Avenue round-about, why shouldn’t there be statues for Emperor Yohannes and Ras Alula in the capital? There was a statue of Alula in Eritrea but this was demolished by the myopic Shabiya as they did not want to be reminded of the inescapable fact that Eritrea has always been part and parcel of Ethiopia.

It was not only Eritrea that Menelik gave away, he also had a hand in letting Djibouti be part of the French protectorate when he agreed the border demarcation with the French in 1887. This was further affirmed in 1945 and 1954 by successive Amhara rulers effectively denying Ethiopia access to the sea. Menelik made Ethiopia landlocked and the country is currently spending billions of dollars for using the ports of neighbouring countries. The small contribution made by Menelik such as the construction of a railway line linking Addis Ababa with Djibouti and the few telephone lines erected here and there have been eclipsed by his treachery and the catastrophic role he played in making Ethiopia port-less just to quench his lust for power. A slim chance that arose in 1991 should have been seized upon to rectify the intractable problems left behind by Manlike.



The marginalisation of the people of the South and north started by Menelik continued by successive Amhara leaders, and led to the proliferation of liberation movements organised along ethnic lines such as the OLF and the TPLF. The relentless efforts to break the Tigrian spirit, and the vain attempt to adulterate their identities never materialised. Even brute force such as the aerial bombardments of Makelle Monday market and Hawzen, and the incorporation fertile lands from Western and Southern Tigray into Gondar and Wello respectively, failed to subdue the Tigrian people. Their nationalism remained as solid as ever and the TPLF took advantage of this to deliver a partial mortal blow to Amhara domination. We now have a democratic country, and for the first time in history, the rights of all ethnic groups irrespective of their sizes are guaranteed by the constitution of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia. We should gloat and glorify this achievements and not outright treachery and double dealing

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Re: Menelik

Post by EthioRedSea » 15 Feb 2020, 16:18

Sir, Madam,

Thank you for exposing the traitor Menelik and Taitu, who was powerless but more patriotic.

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Re: Menelik

Post by Ethoash » 15 Feb 2020, 16:21

in short

Menelik betrayed Emperor Yohannes more then twice..

Menelik signed many agreement and treaty that harm up to today .. he signed away Eritrea . he signed away Nile river, he singed away Djibouti our port... of the problem that we r facing today is because of king Menelik..

even Adwa victory gain by Basahi Awalome Haregote intelligent art of war that lead the Italian in to narrow place and killing the off. this tactic was used during Emperor Yohannes against Italian so it is mode of operand purely Golden but king Menelik took all the credit .

even some Amhara claim had it not for king Menelik all Ethiopian ethnic would have been colonized .. where did u put yourself mr. Menelik had the other ehtnic did not support you u also would have been under Italy hence much better then govern by black colonizer ... every Eritrean prefer living under Meles or Dr. Abiy regime then living under issue rule ...the same way oromo and Somalia would have prefer living under Italy colonization then uneducated Amhara rule.. so pls Amhara dont even try ...

another myth about king Menelik is he make Ethiopia one.. if that the case how in hell Oromo king joined war that took place in Adawa .because Ethiopai were ruled under fed system even before king Menelik .. king Tewodros II also try to destory this fed state and it did not work out for him. the only one who kept Ethiopia under king Yohannes were who were much modern and kept the fed. system then king menelik after the Italian victory he wage war on Ethiopian kings to accept his king of king status... and left those who agree to pay tax alone but who refused he wage war and take over the power like this king haile come and remove all the small king and make himself Emperor Haile ... this is the full story..

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Re: Menelik

Post by Halafi Mengedi » 15 Feb 2020, 16:27

Emperor Yohannes intention was to give king to most of the ethnics while started king of Shewa, King of Gojjam, king of Kefa and so on but the mercenary King Menelik came to power and stripped all the autonomous region of the country and fought them as well to be part of his Gojo and since then there is no peace and harmony among us.

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Re: Menelik

Post by Abere » 15 Feb 2020, 16:48

--- What is the source of this fictitious rhetoric? WikiTplf, right.
--- Was not Yohannes that trade Eritrea for the British favor?
--- Was not North Wolo Raya part of Wollo proper before, Yohannes's invasion? Raya was forceflly stolen in his brief emeprial time by massacring thousands of Raya men and women that resisted Yohannes's occupation. People from Tigray used to come to North Wollo for seasonal jobs( ለጤፍ አረም እና አጨዳ ሸቀል). That is what is recorded in history. Emepror Hailesellasie betryaed Wolo by not returning the entire Woreda stolen by Yohannes. The same goes to Gondar. Seasonal labor demand in Gondar created seasonal labor demand often stasfied by internal migration from Tigray.

--- Reputed News Paper and Magazine in the West coined Menelik II as one of the most democratic leader of the time. He is noteworthy for stopping slavery . Slave lords such Aba Jifar was selling thousands of Oromos every month and other triabl chiefs used to do the same. Emperor Menililk fought that inhumane practice, a practice Yohannes were enjoying the lavish out of the slave trade.

--- Freedom = Menelik II = Mother (Emiye). Menelik was not only the King of Kings of Ethiopia but he was also the King of Kings of Africa and all the Black races.

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Re: Menelik

Post by Ethoash » 15 Feb 2020, 17:22

Abere wrote:
15 Feb 2020, 16:48
--- What is the source of this fictitious rhetoric? WikiTplf, right.

Abere .. why not deal in fact .. i am talking about the real fact on the ground ..

ask yourself do we have Djibouti? what happened our beloved king milk II sold it ...

what happened to our Eritrea? sorry our beloved king milk II sold it... this is fact we dont have Eritrea


what happened to our Nile river? sorry our beloved king milk II sold it.. mind you for free...

while King Yohannes fought for Nile river.. do we have Nile river up to king milk ii the answer is yes, did the Egyptian try to take over NIle river the answer is yes, then what happened they were defeated by king Yohannes ... only to be sold by king milk II under him...

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Re: Menelik

Post by Degnet » 15 Feb 2020, 17:29

EthioRedSea wrote:
15 Feb 2020, 16:18
Sir, Madam,

Thank you for exposing the traitor Menelik and Taitu, who was powerless but more patriotic.
In the country of the blind,one eyed man is the king.Hasad deyom zblekum

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Re: Menelik

Post by Ethoash » 15 Feb 2020, 17:40

A traitor or hero

Abraham Deboch
Zerai Derese
Aman Andom
Awalom

answer..

Abraham Deboch and Moges Asgedom r pure Eritreans who come down to Addis Ababa to throw a bomb .. as Ethiopian u might over look they evil intention of those two brother in arm ... but when i see it from where i seat i ask myself why those two brother did not throw the bomb while they were in Eritrea ..for sure they were colonized over 100 years by then so they might have good target to kill the Italian they dont have to come all the way to Addis Ababa ... the reason they come to Addis Ababa is only one reason their kin in Eritrea will not get Italian revenge.. at that day 10 million people died in just one bomb so would the risk justified their attack on the Italian i say no.. hence they harm Ethiopian more then they harm the Italian beside they have no regard for Ethiopian life when they throw the bomb


Zerai Derese

is another nut case.. he was an Eritrean citizen but when Ethiopian king send him to Italian for diplomatic reason this nut case killed innocent Italian while he was running on Ethiopian name ... again i am asking why do it in Ethiopian name why not do it in your own land and take the risk too..

Aman Andom

his pure idiot .. just pure idiot have nothing to say..

Awalom

this guy is Golden nothing to do with Eritreans ...

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Re: Menelik

Post by sun » 15 Feb 2020, 18:14

Halafi Mengedi wrote:
15 Feb 2020, 16:27
Emperor Yohannes intention was to give king to most of the ethnics while started king of Shewa, King of Gojjam, king of Kefa and so on but the mercenary King Menelik came to power and stripped all the autonomous region of the country and fought them as well to be part of his Gojo and since then there is no peace and harmony among us.
Hmm... :P

That actually is his cardinal mistakes to say the least. If you have tens and or hundreds of petty kings in several petty kingdoms all what you will have is hundreds of petty wars and endless petty conflicts just like in Somalia among the several Sultanates, a country engaged in firefighting in all directions for the last some 3000 years.

Last but not least why didn't the tplf oligarchs who has been ruling over Ethiopia with iron hands for the last some 30 long years did not implement Emperor Yohannes's unfulfilled dreams instead of secretly dreading it but only publicly talking about it to fool the uninitiated folks here and out there. So please, please don't insult our intelligence by talking super soft back boneless talks.
:lol:

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Re: Menelik

Post by Abere » 15 Feb 2020, 18:16

ምኒልክ እያክ ዕድሜ ገመድህን ጨርስ- እርሳቸው ጀብዱ ፈፅመው አልፈዋል። ለምን ይሆን ታሪካዊ ጀብዱ በፈፀመ ጀግና ሁሉ ወያኔዎች ትቀናላችሁ። ዘርዓይ ደረስ እና ሞገስ አስግዶም የጀግና ጀግኖች ናቸው ፣ እንዴ መለስ ዜናዊ በድንገተኛ ድንጋጤ እንደ ወፍ ክርር አላሉም። ለነፃነት የአንተን ቅድመ አያቶችን ረምርመው ነው ዘልቀው የተሰውት።

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Re: Menelik

Post by tlel » 15 Feb 2020, 18:23

Abere wrote:
15 Feb 2020, 16:48
--- What is the source of this fictitious rhetoric? WikiTplf, right.
--- Was not Yohannes that trade Eritrea for the British favor?
--- Was not North Wolo Raya part of Wollo proper before, Yohannes's invasion? Raya was forceflly stolen in his brief emeprial time by massacring thousands of Raya men and women that resisted Yohannes's occupation. People from Tigray used to come to North Wollo for seasonal jobs( ለጤፍ አረም እና አጨዳ ሸቀል). That is what is recorded in history. Emepror Hailesellasie betryaed Wolo by not returning the entire Woreda stolen by Yohannes. The same goes to Gondar. Seasonal labor demand in Gondar created seasonal labor demand often stasfied by internal migration from Tigray.

--- Reputed News Paper and Magazine in the West coined Menelik II as one of the most democratic leader of the time. He is noteworthy for stopping slavery . Slave lords such Aba Jifar was selling thousands of Oromos every month and other triabl chiefs used to do the same. Emperor Menililk fought that inhumane practice, a practice Yohannes were enjoying the lavish out of the slave trade.

--- Freedom = Menelik II = Mother (Emiye). Menelik was not only the King of Kings of Ethiopia but he was also the King of Kings of Africa and all the Black races.
I second that! I worry however the olf as well with tplf and shabia and foreigners want their revenge like EthioRedSea and Ethoash (by the way, Ethoash means I will turn Ethiopia into ash that is the goal the main enemy of ethiopioa) above, the only way to form Oromia is to destroy pro Ethiopian past. Yes they will say they are Ethiopian but it is fake they want to destroy past history
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Re: Menelik

Post by Selam/ » 15 Feb 2020, 18:24

Here comes the Buda Woyane with his white lies and usual poisons to attack Eritreans. Obviously, you interpret things from your own crooked experience and evil perspective. You think everyone else is as wicked and twisted as you are. You starved your own people to death and massacred them to tarnish the image of Dergue and to score political points. You slaughtered Amharas to blame OLF and incite hatred among Ethiopians. You didn’t mind assassinating Ferenjis to justify the presence of terrorists in the Horn. Now you’re trying to fill in other people’s names in that same retired format.

You mfkr TPLF don’t have a grain of moral ground to criticize the heroic Abraham, Moges & Zeray Deres. You inferior tribalist don’t even deserve to l!ck their boots. Why didn’t your evil frog choke on khat and die in Eritrea rather than traveling on Ethiopian Airlines to Belgium to get his cancerous esophagus opened in the name of Ethiopia? KIFU!
Ethoash wrote:
15 Feb 2020, 17:40
A traitor or hero

Abraham Deboch
Zerai Derese
Aman Andom
Awalom

answer..

Abraham Deboch and Moges Asgedom r pure Eritreans who come down to Addis Ababa to throw a bomb .. as Ethiopian u might over look they evil intention of those two brother in arm ... but when i see it from where i seat i ask myself why those two brother did not throw the bomb while they were in Eritrea ..for sure they were colonized over 100 years by then so they might have good target to kill the Italian they dont have to come all the way to Addis Ababa ... the reason they come to Addis Ababa is only one reason their kin in Eritrea will not get Italian revenge.. at that day 10 million people died in just one bomb so would the risk justified their attack on the Italian i say no.. hence they harm Ethiopian more then they harm the Italian beside they have no regard for Ethiopian life when they throw the bomb


Zerai Derese

is another nut case.. he was an Eritrean citizen but when Ethiopian king send him to Italian for diplomatic reason this nut case killed innocent Italian while he was running on Ethiopian name ... again i am asking why do it in Ethiopian name why not do it in your own land and take the risk too..

Aman Andom

his pure idiot .. just pure idiot have nothing to say..

Awalom

this guy is Golden nothing to do with Eritreans ...
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Re: Menelik

Post by sun » 15 Feb 2020, 18:28

Abere wrote:
15 Feb 2020, 16:48
--- What is the source of this fictitious rhetoric? WikiTplf, right.
--- Was not Yohannes that trade Eritrea for the British favor?
--- Was not North Wolo Raya part of Wollo proper before, Yohannes's invasion? Raya was forceflly stolen in his brief emeprial time by massacring thousands of Raya men and women that resisted Yohannes's occupation. People from Tigray used to come to North Wollo for seasonal jobs( ለጤፍ አረም እና አጨዳ ሸቀል). That is what is recorded in history. Emepror Hailesellasie betryaed Wolo by not returning the entire Woreda stolen by Yohannes. The same goes to Gondar. Seasonal labor demand in Gondar created seasonal labor demand often stasfied by internal migration from Tigray.

--- Reputed News Paper and Magazine in the West coined Menelik II as one of the most democratic leader of the time. He is noteworthy for stopping slavery . Slave lords such Aba Jifar was selling thousands of Oromos every month and other triabl chiefs used to do the same. Emperor Menililk fought that inhumane practice, a practice Yohannes were enjoying the lavish out of the slave trade.

--- Freedom = Menelik II = Mother (Emiye). Menelik was not only the King of Kings of Ethiopia but he was also the King of Kings of Africa and all the Black races.
Hmm..... :lol:

Only King of kings of the Black Race? :shock: You forgot that Menelik was Caucasian (White race), whether obbo Halafi accepts it with grace or not.

You must be very modest indeed! Why not say king of kings of all the human race and then go back to your Shishaa cafe smoking to much and hallucinating more and more wild folktales because it is cheap and cost you nothing.
:lol:

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Re: Menelik

Post by tlel » 15 Feb 2020, 18:28

Ethoash wrote:
15 Feb 2020, 17:40
A traitor or hero

Abraham Deboch
Zerai Derese
Aman Andom
Awalom

answer..

Abraham Deboch and Moges Asgedom r pure Eritreans who come down to Addis Ababa to throw a bomb .. as Ethiopian u might over look they evil intention of those two brother in arm ... but when i see it from where i seat i ask myself why those two brother did not throw the bomb while they were in Eritrea ..for sure they were colonized over 100 years by then so they might have good target to kill the Italian they dont have to come all the way to Addis Ababa ... the reason they come to Addis Ababa is only one reason their kin in Eritrea will not get Italian revenge.. at that day 10 million people died in just one bomb so would the risk justified their attack on the Italian i say no.. hence they harm Ethiopian more then they harm the Italian beside they have no regard for Ethiopian life when they throw the bomb


Zerai Derese

is another nut case.. he was an Eritrean citizen but when Ethiopian king send him to Italian for diplomatic reason this nut case killed innocent Italian while he was running on Ethiopian name ... again i am asking why do it in Ethiopian name why not do it in your own land and take the risk too..

Aman Andom

his pure idiot .. just pure idiot have nothing to say..

Awalom

this guy is Golden nothing to do with Eritreans ...
Your story maybe true but you are confused as you yourself is also anti ethiopian by hating ethiopians. However, your intention is not because your sympathy for Ethiopia but you are trying to create animosity between Ethiopia and Eritrea as your agenda is for tplf

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Re: Menelik

Post by Abere » 15 Feb 2020, 18:39

sun wrote:
15 Feb 2020, 18:28
Abere wrote:
15 Feb 2020, 16:48
--- What is the source of this fictitious rhetoric? WikiTplf, right.
--- Was not Yohannes that trade Eritrea for the British favor?
--- Was not North Wolo Raya part of Wollo proper before, Yohannes's invasion? Raya was forceflly stolen in his brief emeprial time by massacring thousands of Raya men and women that resisted Yohannes's occupation. People from Tigray used to come to North Wollo for seasonal jobs( ለጤፍ አረም እና አጨዳ ሸቀል). That is what is recorded in history. Emepror Hailesellasie betryaed Wolo by not returning the entire Woreda stolen by Yohannes. The same goes to Gondar. Seasonal labor demand in Gondar created seasonal labor demand often stasfied by internal migration from Tigray.

--- Reputed News Paper and Magazine in the West coined Menelik II as one of the most democratic leader of the time. He is noteworthy for stopping slavery . Slave lords such Aba Jifar was selling thousands of Oromos every month and other triabl chiefs used to do the same. Emperor Menililk fought that inhumane practice, a practice Yohannes were enjoying the lavish out of the slave trade.

--- Freedom = Menelik II = Mother (Emiye). Menelik was not only the King of Kings of Ethiopia but he was also the King of Kings of Africa and all the Black races.
Hmm..... :lol:

Only King of kings of the Black Race? :shock: You forgot that Menelik was Caucasian (White race), whether obbo Halafi accepts it with grace or not.

You must be very modest indeed! Why not say king of kings of all the human race and then go back to your Shishaa cafe smoking to much and hallucinating more and more wild folktales because it is cheap and cost you nothing.
:lol:
@sunni
:lol: :lol: :lol: You forgot that Menelik was Caucasian (White race)? ምን ዓይነቱን አደንዛዥ ብትስብ ነው ጥምቢራህ የዞረው። ወይ ስትሰግድ ግንባርህን ድንጋይ ገጭቶ ኮንክሽን ደርሶብሃል መሰለኝ። ነጭ እና ጥቁር ተቀላቀለብህ። የጁሃር ኢንሹራስ የለህም በግብፅ የተገዛ። በእርግጥ ምኒልክ በድፕሎማሲ እና በፍትሃዊ አስተዳደር ፓለቲካ ከነጮቹ ይበልጥ ነበር። ስለዚህ ምኒልክ በዘመኑ በዓለም ከሰለጠኑት የላቀ የሰለጠነ የጥቁር ህዝቦች መመኪያ ነበር።

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Re: Menelik

Post by Ethoash » 19 Feb 2020, 10:32

ሚኒሊክ አገሩን አንድ ካረገ ፥ ታድያ ኦሮሞና ደቡቡ ምን እዳ አለበትና ነው በአዳዋ ላይ ሕይወቱን የሚስጠው። ይህ ቁልጭ አረጎ የሚያሳየው ኢትዬዽያ በፈደራል ስርዓት ከድሮም እንደምትደዳደር ነው። ለዚህም ነው ጥጋበኛው ቴድሮስ የኮሳ ሽጭ ልጅ ኢትዬዽያን አንድ ላርጋት ብሎ የተነሳውና ሳይሳካለት የቀረው። በአንድ ወይም በአህዱ አገዛዝ ድሮም የኢትዬዽያ ልጆች መገዛት እንደማይፈልጉ ለቴድሮስ ነገረውታል ። ንጉስ ዬሐንስ ግን ይህንን ጣጣ አላመጣት ይሉቁንም ፈደራሊዝምን እስፋፍቶ ይገዛ ነበር። ታድያ ጥይቷ ሚኒሊክ ተወርርኩ አግዙኝ ብሎ ሲያበቃ ከአገዙት በኋላ ጠመንጃውን አዞረባቸው በራሳቸው ላይ በአጭሩ ከዳቸው።


አንዳንድ ሰዎች ሚኒሊክ ጣሊያንን በያሽንፍ ኖሮ የኢጣሊያን እንገዛ ነበር ። ይላሉ

መልሴ በጣም አጭር ነው ። ምናለ ኢጣሊያኖች በገዙን ከወድሖዋላ ከቀረ አማራ

ወይም እድሜ ለሚኒሊክ ከጣሊያን አዳነን ይላሉ።

ይህች እንኳን ቀልድ ናት ። ልክ ሚኒሊክን የዓለም ሓያላን ጦር አርጎ መሳል። ሚኒሊክ ለራሱ የትግሬወ ተወላጅ አወላሎም ባይኖር ኖሮ ጣሊያኖች ድምጥማጡ ያጠፉት ነበር። ግን አወላሎም ጀምስ ቦንድ ፊልም ታይሰራ ። ፊልም የስራ ጅግና የረቀቀ የጦር ዜደኛ ነበር ። ደርብ ስላይ እንደሚባለው ለኢጣሊይኖች ስላይ ነበር ግን የደርብ ስራውን ሲስራ ስላይ መስሎ አገር ወዳድ ነበርና ለሚኒሊክ ምስጡሩን አካፎ በሁለት ተራራ ጋራ ስር እንዲጥበቁት ተናግሮ ጣሊያንን እዛ ተራራ ስር ከተተው በናዳ ደምጥማጡ እንዲጠፋ በስደስት ስዓት ወስጥ ነው ጦሩነቱ ያበቃው። እንዲ አርጎ አወላሎም ጦርነቱን አሽንፎ ሚኒልክ ክሬድቱን (ወለታውን፥ ጀብዱውን) ወስዶ ልክ እሱ እንዳሽነፈ ጡሩንባውን ይነፋል።

ልክ እንደ ንጉስ ሕይሌ በላይ ዘለቀ ባሽነፈው እሱ ጡሩርምባውን እንደሚነፋ። ስለዚህ ጣሊያን ቢያሽንፍ ኖሮ ሚኒሊክ ራሱ ባርያ ይሆን ነበር። የተቀሩት ኢትዬያኖች ግን የስልጣነ ጮራ የበራባቸው ነበር።

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Re: Menelik

Post by Sam Ebalalehu » 19 Feb 2020, 10:43

Ethoash, even in the time of the internet, you are obligated to reveal the writer of the article — propaganda define it best — to readers. You just do not post the TPLF or OLF hearsay, and expect people to have a lively discussion on it.

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Re: Menelik

Post by Ethoash » 19 Feb 2020, 11:01

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Re: Menelik

Post by Degnet » 19 Feb 2020, 11:08

Ethoash wrote:
15 Feb 2020, 16:06
Menelik was a traitor who connived with the Mahdists, the Egyptians and the Italians and he has nothing to do with the victory of Adwa except brutality and shame.

Menelik is adored and highly regarded by the Amahras but intensely detested by the rest of the Ethiopian people especially the Oromos. While Emperor Yohannes of Ethiopia was fighting foreign enemies in the North, Menelik was expanding his areas of influence south and eastwards. He treated the subjugated people in the most barbaric and harshest way possible; in Wollaita alone 120,000 people were massacred when they refused to submit to his rule. In their own land, the conquered were considered as second class citizens and were forced to work as serfs for the Shoan nobility who controlled large swathes of fertile arable lands.

The humiliation meted out by Menelik against the Oromos is felt to this day. On a number of occasions, the OLF demanded the demolition of his statue in Piazza as they found it to be a vivid reminder of their people’s utter mistreatment at his hands; it was a common practice among the Oromos to change their names in order to mask their identities and escape ridicule. Even now, the way many Amharas view the Oromos is not markedly different from that of their forefathers. But the current federal system has given the Oromos the opportunity to be the masters of their own affairs, which they did not have when the Amharas ruled the country for over a century. At this juncture, Oromia has become the number one destination for foreign investors, and the regional government appears to be determined to keep this going at an accelerated rate.

Menelik was not only brutal to his subjects, but he was also a traitor who connived with the Mahdists, the Egyptians and the Italians to bring about the defeat of Emperor Yohannes in order to crown himself as the king of Ethiopia. For his troubles, he received large quantities of weapons from the enemies of the country which he later used during the battle of Adwa. In 1887 alone, Menelik received a huge cache of Remington rifles and a substantial amount of money when he secretly signed the ‘’Convention of Neutrality’’ with the Italian invaders, which was clearly an alliance against Emperor Yohannes. The Emperor was not discouraged by this despicable deed, and, instead, concentrated his efforts into defeating the Italians once and for all. Unfortunately, he had to abandon this and hurriedly made his way to Gondar to confront the invading Mahdists. His intention was to return later to decisively deal with the Italians once he was finished with the Muslim intruders.

The Emperor fought the Mahdists with tremendous courage for a considerable period and victory was within his sight. Unfortunately, the near triumph was turned into a defeat and the Emperor was killed, and his head was decapitated and given to the Dervish’s leader as a trophy. Teklehaimanot of Gojjam who was in Gondar well before the Emperor’s arrival was so scared he decided to run leaving the enemy behind to go on the rampage. Menelik was [deleted] and never came to the aid of the Emperor. The death of Emperor Yohannes must have been a great relief to Menelik and the terrified Italians, who instantly came out of their trenches and made their way southwards. It is patently clear that Menelik and Teklehaimanot played a significant part in his death, and if he had not been sidetracked by the Mahdists and the fifth columnists Menelik and Teklehaimanot, the Italians would have been decimated by the Emperor’s commander, Ras Alula Aba Nega.



Only two months after the Emperor’s death, Menelik signed the Wuchale treaty of 2 May 1889 conceding Eritrea to the Italians, notwithstanding the valorous manner with which it was defended for nearly two decades by the Emperor’s Commander, Ras Alula. The Italians abrogated the treaty, and this led to the battle of Adwa. Thanks to the leadership of Ras Alula and the intelligence gathering skills of Basahi Awalome Haregote, Menelik was able to decisively defeat the Italians. The Italians were in disarray and it was possible to expel them from Ethiopian land all together. But Menelik chose not to, and signed the Treaty of Addis Ababa on the 23rd October 1896, sealing the fate of Eritrea. Ras Aluala asked Menelik for cavalry to drive the Italians to the ‘’sea’’ but this was declined. No doubt the Emperor’s commander would have finished off the Italians as he did in Dogali had he been given the chance to do so.

Thanks to Menelik, we are still tussling with the Eritrean issue 116 years later. During the Eritrean struggle for independence, 1961-1991, the casualties on the Eritrean side were 140,000 and on the Ethiopian side, 1.4 million. The recent Ethio-Eritrea border war resulted in the loss of 123,000 lives on both sides; thousands of people were dislocated from their homesteads, and millions of people have been forced to live as refugees in various parts of the world.

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Emperor Yohannes fought the Egyptians, Mahdists and Italians for seventeen years and yet there isn’t a statue erected anywhere in Ethiopia as a recognition for maintaining the territorial integrity of the country under very adverse conditions. A Street is named after him around Ethiopia hotel in Addis Ababa and it is written as Yohannes instead of Emperor Yohannes. There is a statue of Menelik in Piazza and Emperor Theodore’s Sebastopol Mortar in Churchill Avenue round-about, why shouldn’t there be statues for Emperor Yohannes and Ras Alula in the capital? There was a statue of Alula in Eritrea but this was demolished by the myopic Shabiya as they did not want to be reminded of the inescapable fact that Eritrea has always been part and parcel of Ethiopia.

It was not only Eritrea that Menelik gave away, he also had a hand in letting Djibouti be part of the French protectorate when he agreed the border demarcation with the French in 1887. This was further affirmed in 1945 and 1954 by successive Amhara rulers effectively denying Ethiopia access to the sea. Menelik made Ethiopia landlocked and the country is currently spending billions of dollars for using the ports of neighbouring countries. The small contribution made by Menelik such as the construction of a railway line linking Addis Ababa with Djibouti and the few telephone lines erected here and there have been eclipsed by his treachery and the catastrophic role he played in making Ethiopia port-less just to quench his lust for power. A slim chance that arose in 1991 should have been seized upon to rectify the intractable problems left behind by Manlike.



The marginalisation of the people of the South and north started by Menelik continued by successive Amhara leaders, and led to the proliferation of liberation movements organised along ethnic lines such as the OLF and the TPLF. The relentless efforts to break the Tigrian spirit, and the vain attempt to adulterate their identities never materialised. Even brute force such as the aerial bombardments of Makelle Monday market and Hawzen, and the incorporation fertile lands from Western and Southern Tigray into Gondar and Wello respectively, failed to subdue the Tigrian people. Their nationalism remained as solid as ever and the TPLF took advantage of this to deliver a partial mortal blow to Amhara domination. We now have a democratic country, and for the first time in history, the rights of all ethnic groups irrespective of their sizes are guaranteed by the constitution of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia. We should gloat and glorify this achievements and not outright treachery and double dealing
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Re: Menelik

Post by Degnet » 19 Feb 2020, 11:08

Ethoash wrote:
15 Feb 2020, 16:06
Menelik was a traitor who connived with the Mahdists, the Egyptians and the Italians and he has nothing to do with the victory of Adwa except brutality and shame.

Menelik is adored and highly regarded by the Amahras but intensely detested by the rest of the Ethiopian people especially the Oromos. While Emperor Yohannes of Ethiopia was fighting foreign enemies in the North, Menelik was expanding his areas of influence south and eastwards. He treated the subjugated people in the most barbaric and harshest way possible; in Wollaita alone 120,000 people were massacred when they refused to submit to his rule. In their own land, the conquered were considered as second class citizens and were forced to work as serfs for the Shoan nobility who controlled large swathes of fertile arable lands.

The humiliation meted out by Menelik against the Oromos is felt to this day. On a number of occasions, the OLF demanded the demolition of his statue in Piazza as they found it to be a vivid reminder of their people’s utter mistreatment at his hands; it was a common practice among the Oromos to change their names in order to mask their identities and escape ridicule. Even now, the way many Amharas view the Oromos is not markedly different from that of their forefathers. But the current federal system has given the Oromos the opportunity to be the masters of their own affairs, which they did not have when the Amharas ruled the country for over a century. At this juncture, Oromia has become the number one destination for foreign investors, and the regional government appears to be determined to keep this going at an accelerated rate.

Menelik was not only brutal to his subjects, but he was also a traitor who connived with the Mahdists, the Egyptians and the Italians to bring about the defeat of Emperor Yohannes in order to crown himself as the king of Ethiopia. For his troubles, he received large quantities of weapons from the enemies of the country which he later used during the battle of Adwa. In 1887 alone, Menelik received a huge cache of Remington rifles and a substantial amount of money when he secretly signed the ‘’Convention of Neutrality’’ with the Italian invaders, which was clearly an alliance against Emperor Yohannes. The Emperor was not discouraged by this despicable deed, and, instead, concentrated his efforts into defeating the Italians once and for all. Unfortunately, he had to abandon this and hurriedly made his way to Gondar to confront the invading Mahdists. His intention was to return later to decisively deal with the Italians once he was finished with the Muslim intruders.

The Emperor fought the Mahdists with tremendous courage for a considerable period and victory was within his sight. Unfortunately, the near triumph was turned into a defeat and the Emperor was killed, and his head was decapitated and given to the Dervish’s leader as a trophy. Teklehaimanot of Gojjam who was in Gondar well before the Emperor’s arrival was so scared he decided to run leaving the enemy behind to go on the rampage. Menelik was [deleted] and never came to the aid of the Emperor. The death of Emperor Yohannes must have been a great relief to Menelik and the terrified Italians, who instantly came out of their trenches and made their way southwards. It is patently clear that Menelik and Teklehaimanot played a significant part in his death, and if he had not been sidetracked by the Mahdists and the fifth columnists Menelik and Teklehaimanot, the Italians would have been decimated by the Emperor’s commander, Ras Alula Aba Nega.



Only two months after the Emperor’s death, Menelik signed the Wuchale treaty of 2 May 1889 conceding Eritrea to the Italians, notwithstanding the valorous manner with which it was defended for nearly two decades by the Emperor’s Commander, Ras Alula. The Italians abrogated the treaty, and this led to the battle of Adwa. Thanks to the leadership of Ras Alula and the intelligence gathering skills of Basahi Awalome Haregote, Menelik was able to decisively defeat the Italians. The Italians were in disarray and it was possible to expel them from Ethiopian land all together. But Menelik chose not to, and signed the Treaty of Addis Ababa on the 23rd October 1896, sealing the fate of Eritrea. Ras Aluala asked Menelik for cavalry to drive the Italians to the ‘’sea’’ but this was declined. No doubt the Emperor’s commander would have finished off the Italians as he did in Dogali had he been given the chance to do so.

Thanks to Menelik, we are still tussling with the Eritrean issue 116 years later. During the Eritrean struggle for independence, 1961-1991, the casualties on the Eritrean side were 140,000 and on the Ethiopian side, 1.4 million. The recent Ethio-Eritrea border war resulted in the loss of 123,000 lives on both sides; thousands of people were dislocated from their homesteads, and millions of people have been forced to live as refugees in various parts of the world.

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Emperor Yohannes fought the Egyptians, Mahdists and Italians for seventeen years and yet there isn’t a statue erected anywhere in Ethiopia as a recognition for maintaining the territorial integrity of the country under very adverse conditions. A Street is named after him around Ethiopia hotel in Addis Ababa and it is written as Yohannes instead of Emperor Yohannes. There is a statue of Menelik in Piazza and Emperor Theodore’s Sebastopol Mortar in Churchill Avenue round-about, why shouldn’t there be statues for Emperor Yohannes and Ras Alula in the capital? There was a statue of Alula in Eritrea but this was demolished by the myopic Shabiya as they did not want to be reminded of the inescapable fact that Eritrea has always been part and parcel of Ethiopia.

It was not only Eritrea that Menelik gave away, he also had a hand in letting Djibouti be part of the French protectorate when he agreed the border demarcation with the French in 1887. This was further affirmed in 1945 and 1954 by successive Amhara rulers effectively denying Ethiopia access to the sea. Menelik made Ethiopia landlocked and the country is currently spending billions of dollars for using the ports of neighbouring countries. The small contribution made by Menelik such as the construction of a railway line linking Addis Ababa with Djibouti and the few telephone lines erected here and there have been eclipsed by his treachery and the catastrophic role he played in making Ethiopia port-less just to quench his lust for power. A slim chance that arose in 1991 should have been seized upon to rectify the intractable problems left behind by Manlike.



The marginalisation of the people of the South and north started by Menelik continued by successive Amhara leaders, and led to the proliferation of liberation movements organised along ethnic lines such as the OLF and the TPLF. The relentless efforts to break the Tigrian spirit, and the vain attempt to adulterate their identities never materialised. Even brute force such as the aerial bombardments of Makelle Monday market and Hawzen, and the incorporation fertile lands from Western and Southern Tigray into Gondar and Wello respectively, failed to subdue the Tigrian people. Their nationalism remained as solid as ever and the TPLF took advantage of this to deliver a partial mortal blow to Amhara domination. We now have a democratic country, and for the first time in history, the rights of all ethnic groups irrespective of their sizes are guaranteed by the constitution of the Federal Democratic Republic of Ethiopia. We should gloat and glorify this achievements and not outright treachery and double dealing
We don't want to hate anybody,what we know about him is enough,ke ante yelek esachewn akebralehugn,ende enante aynet telat agtemon ayawkem

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