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Weakness of President Isayas

Post by eden » 07 Feb 2020, 18:26

President Isayas strongly attacked ethnic federalism and the current Ethiopian constitution. He was very effective in selling his ideas.

The weakness I see is that he equated ethnic federalism and the constitution with TPLF and TPLF only. I think this is simplistic on his part. As you know TPLF or Tigray no longer is the primary defender of the current system. It’s the the Oromo based parties. I heard nothing in the speech or interview that speaks to this reality on the ground.

p.s. there is a conference of proponents of federalism in Atlanta tomorrow that may show my claim here is valid.

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Re: Weakness of President Isayas

Post by Temt » 07 Feb 2020, 18:43

eden wrote:
07 Feb 2020, 18:26
President Isayas strongly attacked ethnic federalism and the current Ethiopian constitution. He was very effective in selling his ideas.

The weakness I see is that he equated ethnic federalism and the constitution with TPLF and TPLF only. I think this is simplistic on his part. As you know TPLF or Tigray no longer is the primary defender of the current system. It’s the the Oromo based parties. I heard nothing in the speech or interview that speaks to this reality on the ground.

p.s. there is a conference of proponents of federalism in Atlanta tomorrow that may show my claim here is valid.
The proponent and godfather of the Ethiopian federal constitution is nonother than Meles ጨናዊ. May he continue to burn in hell.

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Re: Weakness of President Isayas

Post by eden » 17 Feb 2020, 19:04

Temt

The OLF participated in the making of the constitution. There are many others who openly advocate for the current system. So why are you still hang up on Weyane ONLY? Isn’t that denying the reality on the ground. You are making the same mistake the President is making. If Weyane was the ONLY or even major force behind ethnic based federalism, it would have been history by now. I think you either are in denial or you have contempt for Ethiopians and you giving too much weight to Weyane.

Watch the below video to understand Isayas is totally ignoring Ethiopians who are for ethnic federalism.


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Re: Weakness of President Isayas

Post by Cigar » 17 Feb 2020, 19:11

Eden the agame sherm*utta, when woyane was in power the other parties were like toys.
And you freaking know it.
They were taking orders from woyane or else would happen to them. And they had families to feed and they were abiding just like there were many Eritreans getting paid from sellassie or mengistu payroll ERA.
Don't try to lessen the evil crimes of woyane by envolving other innocent parties.
EPRDF was just a cover up woyane used to rule ethiopia.
The other parties had no voices.
Lokmax, serakit.

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Re: Weakness of President Isayas

Post by @@ » 17 Feb 2020, 19:45

isaias is right. we had fake constitution which was never implemented but woyane was doing whatever it likes at will. fake federalism it was a one party centerlized command post. it has nothing to do with federalism. everything was fake. at the end we ended up with #1 internally displaced people on the planet. wayane never implemented ethnic based federalism in tigray because it doesn't believe in it. it only uses it because it hates ethiopia. that makes agames evil. isaias is honest. he doesn't allow ethnic federalism in his country and wishes the same for Ethiopia. twisted heart agames want something else for themseleves and wishes evil for others. typical evil creatures.
eden wrote:
07 Feb 2020, 18:26
President Isayas strongly attacked ethnic federalism and the current Ethiopian constitution. He was very effective in selling his ideas.

The weakness I see is that he equated ethnic federalism and the constitution with TPLF and TPLF only. I think this is simplistic on his part. As you know TPLF or Tigray no longer is the primary defender of the current system. It’s the the Oromo based parties. I heard nothing in the speech or interview that speaks to this reality on the ground.

p.s. there is a conference of proponents of federalism in Atlanta tomorrow that may show my claim here is valid.

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Re: Weakness of President Isayas

Post by eden » 19 Feb 2020, 08:28

What you said about Weyane might be right but you are not addressing the issue raised in this topic.

The question isn’t if ethnic federalism is bad. The question is how do you ignore forces of ethnic federalism except Weyane. To me either you guys have exaggerated sense of Weyane or you are underestimating non Weyane ethnic federalists.

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Re: Weakness of President Isayas

Post by Sam Ebalalehu » 19 Feb 2020, 09:22

Ok, Isayes labeled ethnic politics the politics of the weak mind — translation mine. I agree with Isayes. Now, Eden said he did not blame all ethnic politicians but the TPLFites, and she implied he could call the OLF politicians what they are: ethnic politicians whose politics is a disaster to Ethiopia and her neighbors — translation mine. I agree with Eden.

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Re: Weakness of President Isayas

Post by Temt » 19 Feb 2020, 11:15

Sam Ebalalehu wrote:
19 Feb 2020, 09:22
Ok, Isayes labeled ethnic politics the politics of the weak mind — translation mine. I agree with Isayes. Now, Eden said he did not blame all ethnic politicians but the TPLFites, and she implied he could call the OLF politicians what they are: ethnic politicians whose politics is a disaster to Ethiopia and her neighbors — translation mine. I agree with Eden.
It has nothing to do with PIA "Weakness" as edu said. In fact, PIA analyses are right on the money that the Weyanes carry the brunt of many of the political problems in the Horn. One can sugar coat as much as he/she wants, but the reality is stark clear that they were the main destabilizers in Somalia, Ethiopia, and Eritrea among others. Of course, they were doing that as errand boys of the US.
That said I agree with Sam and edu that there are some Ethiopian renegades here and there that entertain the idea of ተረት ተረት fantasy and, not because they like the Weyane, but for the convenience, they side with the Weyanes as the Oromo clip above shows. But, one can not forget that this group is probably funded by the Weyanes. So, when everything is said and done, the culprit remains the criminal Weyanes!

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Re: Weakness of President Isayas

Post by eden » 26 Feb 2020, 22:18

Temt wrote:
19 Feb 2020, 11:15
Sam Ebalalehu wrote:
19 Feb 2020, 09:22
Ok, Isayes labeled ethnic politics the politics of the weak mind — translation mine. I agree with Isayes. Now, Eden said he did not blame all ethnic politicians but the TPLFites, and she implied he could call the OLF politicians what they are: ethnic politicians whose politics is a disaster to Ethiopia and her neighbors — translation mine. I agree with Eden.
That said I agree with Sam and edu that there are some Ethiopian renegades here and there that entertain the idea of ተረት ተረት fantasy and, not because they like the Weyane, but for the convenience, they side with the Weyanes as the Oromo clip above shows. But, one can not forget that this group is probably funded by the Weyanes. So, when everything is said and done, the culprit remains the criminal Weyanes!
So you don’t think they follow their conscience?

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Re: Weakness of President Isayas

Post by Temt » 26 Feb 2020, 22:40

eden wrote:
26 Feb 2020, 22:18
Temt wrote:
19 Feb 2020, 11:15
Sam Ebalalehu wrote:
19 Feb 2020, 09:22
Ok, Isayes labeled ethnic politics the politics of the weak mind — translation mine. I agree with Isayes. Now, Eden said he did not blame all ethnic politicians but the TPLFites, and she implied he could call the OLF politicians what they are: ethnic politicians whose politics is a disaster to Ethiopia and her neighbors — translation mine. I agree with Eden.
That said I agree with Sam and edu that there are some Ethiopian renegades here and there that entertain the idea of ተረት ተረት fantasy and, not because they like the Weyane, but for the convenience, they side with the Weyanes as the Oromo clip above shows. But, one can not forget that this group is probably funded by the Weyanes. So, when everything is said and done, the culprit remains the criminal Weyanes!
So you don’t think they follow their conscience?
Well, what is their conscience on the political situation of Ethiopia or Oromia? edu, don't you think it would behoove them better to resolve any perceived or real "problems" they may have among themselves, before worrying on nonexistent interference from a neighboring country, especially when that country has been on record of caring of the Oromo people's aspiration for freedom?

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Re: Weakness of President Isayas

Post by eden » 04 May 2020, 17:09

Temt wrote:
26 Feb 2020, 22:40
edu, don't you think it would behoove them better to resolve any perceived or real "problems" they may have among themselves, before worrying on nonexistent interference from a neighboring country, especially when that country has been on record of caring of the Oromo people's aspiration for freedom?
Temt,

What evidence do you have for your assertion?

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Re: Weakness of President Isayas

Post by Awash » 04 May 2020, 17:21

Who cares what the tyrant thinks. He is admiring wayene built Ethiopia as we speak, while Eritrea remains a basket
case by his own admission. Is he there trying to learn how to build a nation? :lol: :cry: :oops:
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eden wrote:
07 Feb 2020, 18:26
President Isayas strongly attacked ethnic federalism and the current Ethiopian constitution. He was very effective in selling his ideas.

The weakness I see is that he equated ethnic federalism and the constitution with TPLF and TPLF only. I think this is simplistic on his part. As you know TPLF or Tigray no longer is the primary defender of the current system. It’s the the Oromo based parties. I heard nothing in the speech or interview that speaks to this reality on the ground.

p.s. there is a conference of proponents of federalism in Atlanta tomorrow that may show my claim here is valid.

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