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Tamerat Negera Feyisa's Desires and Pivoting Points of Varied Opinions Re: Eritrea or Etiyopiya

Post by YAY » 09 Jan 2020, 19:56

Tamerat Negera Feyisa's Desires and Pivoting Points of Varied Opinions Re: Eritrea or Etiyopiya


I have transcribed and transliterated Tamerat's first interview. I think what I highlighted have been used as pivoting points for varied opinions. The first pivoting point (that he has the right of speech to say anything) cannot be highlighted, for it was not raised in his interview.
Another pivot point is that the Issaias--Abiy relationship is personal and not national, for it allegedly is not institutionalized,which forgets that a President-ship and a Prime Minister-ship are also national institutions by themselves. Related to these, defined and concrete national interests of Etiyopiya were raised and Eritrea's human,national,democratic, and sovereign interests were reduced to minimum and made dependent on Etiyopiya's interests.

Furthermore, Eritrea's existence as a sovereign state was falsely presented as necessarily a contradiction to that of Etiyopiya, and that what Eritrea does is what the Arab states desire. Eritrea and Etiyopiya could coexist and cooperate peacefully, but that possibility was defined as impossible to achieve---therefore, Ethiopia must use "the law of the jungle" to survive. The EPRDF Etiyopiya/Ethiopia has recognized the sovereignty of Eritrea, but the Etiyopiyans have allegedly not---i.e. to possibly re-ignite the past and long conflict between the two nations. Eritrea and the Red Sea are allegedly historically Etiyopiya's, and must be re-taken by might, and that benefits Etiyopiya and brings peace; what is needed is to subdue Eritrea, make it unarmed, limited and the weakest entity.

Eritrea has been weakened (in the past 20 years because of allegedly the "dictatorship of President Issaias Afwerki, thanks to him") in every aspect of its affairs, and that has made it easier for Etiyopiya to be hegemonic. Some "political"circles (e.g. some among Eritrean opposition and TPLF & Co., etc.) agree with this idea and desire to put Issaias as the enemy of the people of Eritrea,Etiyopiya, etc. and aim to align with their favorable forces. Definitely, Eritrea had been weakened in some aspects and strengthened in other aspects,we all have to make things better and not only point fingers at each other. Let us re-orient our discussions or debates towards finding better solutions rather than thinking of "kill and eat your prey, or get killed and be eaten". The best solutions of our problems may need contributions (in one form or another)from each one of us. Your comments are welcome.


ሸግ'ገር ታይምስ። ጠፋ ብለው የነበሩት የኤርትራው ፕረዚደንት ኢሳያስ ኣፍወርቂ ወደ ኣዲስ ኣበባ ብቅ ብለው ነብ'በር። ፈጣን የሆነ[ጕብኝት]፡ መጥተው ወድያውኑ ነው የተመለሱት። ምንድርነው፧ ኣመጣጣቸው ምን ይመስልሃል፧

ታምራት ነገራ ፈዪሳ። የፕረዚደንት ኢሳያስ እና የጠቅላይ ሚንስተር ኣብይ ግኑኝነት፡ ዋነኛው እና ማት'ተኮር ያለብን ነገር ይመስለኛል፡ ምክንያቱም የኢትዮጵያና የኤርትራ ብሎ ለማስቀመጥ ይቸግረኛል። ይህን እምልበት ምክንያቶች ኣሉ፡ ወደ ህዋላ እንጫወታለን።

የኣሁኑ ጉብኝት፡ ኣስተውለህ ከሆነ፡ ጠ/ሚ አብይ የኖቤል ሽልማቱን ኣስመልክተው፡ የኖቤል ሽልማቱም ግዜ፡ የሰላም ኣግ'ጋር፡ የእኔ የሰላም ኣግ'ጋር፡ ብለው ፕ/ት ኢሳያስን አመጕሰዋል፤ በኖቤል ሽልማት ወቅትም፡ ታስታውስ እንደሆን፡ ኖርወይ ውስጥ ኤርትራውያን የተቃውሞ ሰልፍ ... ወጥተው ነበር፣ ያው ሰላም የለም ምናምን የሚል ነገር ነው። ግን በኖቤል የሰላም ሽልማት ወቅት፡ የተለያዩ አገር መሪዎች : ወይ የተለያዩ ተሸላሚዎች ለሁለት ይሸለማሉ። ለምሳሌ ፕ/ት ኔልስን ማንዴላ ክደ ክለርክ ጋር ነበር የተሸለሙት፣ ያሲር ዓራፋት፡ ይመስለኛል፡ ከስምዖን ፐር'ረዝ ጋር ነበር የተሸለሙት። ብዙ ሰዎች ፕ/ት ኢሳያስ እና ጠ/ሚ አብይ አብረው ነው የሚሸለሙ ሲሉአቸው ነበር። በጉዳዩ ላይ ግን ፕ/ት ኢሳያስ በብዙ መልኩ ለኖቤልም ሆነ ለማንኛውም ዓይነት ሽለማት የሚበቁ ሰው ስላልሆኑ ሳይበቁ ቀርተዋል። ይሄ ደግሞ ጠ/ሚ አብይ ካላቸው ፕላን፡ እስትራተጂ፡ እና ሓሳብ ጋር፡ፕ/ት ኢሳያስን ሊያስኮርፍ ስለሚችል፡ ያው የማባባያ ጕዕዞ ነበረ

እንደምናውቀው፡ ይሄ ያለው የኢትዮ-ኤርትራ ግኑኘት የሚባለው፡ እኔ የፕ/ት ኢሳያስ እና የጠ/ሚ አብይ ግኑኝነት[ነው]። የተጨበጠ፡የሚዳህሰስ፡ መሰረት ያለው፡ ህግ እና ተቋማት ያስሰፈሩት ዓይነት ግኑኝነት አይደለም። የሁለቱም ኣገሮች ብሔራዊ ጥቅም የሚባሉ defined ዲፋይንድ [ንጹር] ሆነው በጥቅሞቹ ላይ ግልጽ የሆነ ስምምነት እና ድርድር እስከ አሁን ኣልተካሄደም።

ሸግ'ገር ታይምስ። በሁለቱ ሰዎች ፈቃድ ...

ታምራት ነገራ ፈዪሳ። ፍቃድ ላይ ብቻ ሳይሆን የግል ፍላጎት ላይ። ጠ/ሚ አብይ ህወሓትን contain (ኮንተይን) ማድረግ ይፈልጋሉ፡ ማቅ'ቀብ ይፈልጋሉ፡ ስለዚህ ፕ/ት ኢሳያስን ይፈልጓቸዋል፣ ለእዚያም እየተጠቀሙባቸው ነው። ጠ/ሚ አብይ ብዙዎቹን ተቃዋሚዎች (ግንቦት 7 በለኝ ኦነግ በለኝ) ክኤርትራ እንዲፈናቀሉላቸው ፈልገው ነበር፡ ለእዚያም ፕ/ት ኢሳያስን ይፈልጋሉ። ያንንም achieve ኣቺቭ ኣድርገዋል።

ፕ/ት ኢሳያስ ደግሞ ያው የግል ችግሮቻቸውን: የኣገር ውስጥ ችግሮቻቸውን: ወደ ዓለም ኣቀፍ፡ ለምሳሌ ኢትዮጵያ ማዕቀብ ጥላባቸው ነበረ፡ ወይም እንዲጣልባቸው ኣስደርጋ ነበር በተባበሩት መንግሥታት፣የተለያዩ ማዕቀቦች የጦር መሳርያ ግዢ ማዕቀብ even ኢቭን ከሌላው ዓለም እንዲታገዱ pariah state ፓራያህ ስቴት እንድትሆን: ከእዛ በመጠኑ መላቀቅ ይፈልጉ ነበር፤ ያንን ጠ/ሚ አብይ አድርገውላቸዋል። ስለዚህ በሁለቱ ሰዎች ጥቅም ላይ እንጂ በሁለቱ ኣገሮች ጥቅም እና ... ፍላጎት ላይ የተመሰረተ ኣይደለም።

የኤርትራ ህልውና ራሱ ጥያቄ ውስጥ ነው ያለው። ህልውና ስል ልዐላዊነት፡ ኤርትራ ኣለኝ የምትለው illusion of ኢልሉዥን ኦቭ ልዐላዊነት ኣስፈላጊይሁን ኣይሁን ኢትዮጵያ ራስዋ ኣልተስማማችም። ኢትዮጵያ ስል ያ የኢሃደግ መንግሥት ተስማምቶኣል፡ ግን ኢትዮጵያውያን እኛ ገና ውሳኔ [ላይ]ኣልደረስንም። እዚያ ላይ ፡ ማለት አሁን ያለው የኤርትራ ህልውና እና ልዐላዊነት፡ ኢትዮጵያን በማፈን ላይ የተመሰረተ ልዐላዊነት ነው። ኢትዮጵያን የባሕር በር በመከልከል የኢትዮጵያን ጠላቶች (ታሪካዊም ሆኑወቅታዊ ጠላቶች) ጋር ቋሚ ትብብር በማድረግ ላይ የተመሰረተ ህልውና ነው። ይሄ ህልውና ዘላቂ አይደለም። ኢትዮጵያ፡ ኤርትራ እንዳትኖር የወሰነች ቀን፡ ኤርትራ ኣትኖርም። ኢትዮጵያንም ማንም ሓይል ኣያግዳትም። ማንም ሓይል፡ የተባበሩ መንግሥታት ምናምን ...የሆነ ሓይል አያግዳትም። ግን ለግዜው ውስጣዊ ጉዳይ busy ቢዚ ኣድርጎናል።ይሄንን ደግሞ ኤርትራውያን ያውቁታል። ሁሉም ኤርትራዊ ያውቃል።ኢትዮጵያ የፈቀደች ቀን ኤርትራ የምትባል ነገር ኣትኖርም። ይሄም ስግኣት ገና ኣልተመለሰም።

ጠ/ሚ አብይ በዚህ በኢትዮ-ኤርትራ ጉዳይ ካደረጉት አንድ ነገር ምንድርነው፧ ለመላው ዓለም ኣቀፍ ማኅበረሰብ ኢትዮጵያ ያለወደብ እንዳትቀጥል[ማለት] እንደማትቀጥል፡ እንደማትቀጥል፡ እንደማይቻል፡ ግልጽ ኣድርገው ኣስቀምጠዋል። ባሕር ሓይል መል'ልሰው ኣቋቍመዋል። እነዚህ እነዚህ እርምጃዎች ደግሞ ኤርትራውያን ውስጥም ስግኣት ኣለ። እነዚህ ስግኣቶች ኣልተመልለሱም ... ለኤርትራውያን ያል'ለ ስግኣት ኣልተመል'ለሰም፡ ለኢትዮጵያውያን ያል'ለ ፍላጎት ኣልተሳክ'ካም። ነገር ግን ያው ሁለቱን ግል'ለሰቦች ወቅታዊ እንትን [deleted]-for-tat ቲትፎርታት ለመጠበቅ እና balance ባላንስ ለማድረግ እየተንቀሳቀሰ ያል'ለ ነገር ነው። ስለዚህ ይሄ ያል'ለውን ትኵሳት ለማርገብ ችግሩን የማሸጋገር ዓይነት ጕዕዞ አድርጌ ነው የማየው እንጂ መሰረታዊ ጥያቄዎች ኣልተመልለሱም። ... እንኳን ሊመልለሱ discuss ዲስካስ እየተደረጉ አይደል'ለም።

አንድ ነገር ጠ/ሚ አብይ በጣም ከቀድሞ ጠ/ሚ መል'ለስ ዜናዊም: ከፕ/ት መንግሥቱም: ከቀዳማዊ ኃይለስላሴ የተሻሉት በዚህ ኣጋጣሚ ምንድርነው የኤርትራን ጉዳይ ኤርትራውያን ሳይሆን የመል'ለሱት ዓረብ ኣገሮች ሄደው ነገሩን ዘግተዉታል። በ[ከፊል] partially ፓርሺኣልሊ እንበለው። ጉዳዩን ያስጀመሩት ዓረብ አሚሬትስ እና ሳዑዲ ሄደው ነው። እና ያ የሚያሳየው ምንድርነው ቢያንስ የኤርትራ ጉዳይ በኤርትራ ጀርባ ሆነው የሚንቀሳቀሱት የዓረብ ሃገሮች ናቸው። እነርሱን ማባበል እና ማቀዝቀዝ ችለዋል። ምን ያህል ዘለቄታዊ መልስ እንደሆነ እናየዋለን። ግን ለምሳሌ ልእነርሱ investment ኢንቨስትመንት በመፍቀድ ጉዳዩ የንግድ እና፡ እርሳቸው እንደሚሉት፡ መድ'ደመር እንደሆነ በማሳየት hard power ሃርድ ፓወርን ከመጠቀም ይልቅ soft power ሶፍት ፓወርን ...ንግድን: ኤኮኖሚን: ዲፕሎማሲን: ምናምን እሚሉ መርህዎችን በማምጣት ---ሰጥቶመቀበል እንኳን አልሰራም ኣይተነዋል--- ስለዚህ እሱን part ፓርት ተሳክቶላቸዋል። ግን እኔ እምልለው አሁን ምንድርነው ዘለቄታዊው የሆነው: እውነተኛው፡ የኢትዮጵያ ፍልላጎት፡ ብሔራዊ ጥያቄ፡ ኣልተመልለሰም። እሱን እንዴት እንደምንመልስ መንገዶቹ ውስብስብ ናቸው። እዚያ ላይ ደግሞ በተደጋጋሚ እንደምናየው ጠ/ሚ አብይ ሁልግዜ ውስብስብ የሆኑ ነገሮች ላይ vague ቬግ ነው የሚሆኑት ወይ ዝም ነው የሚሉት ወይ በዳህሰሳ ነው የሚያልፉት።

ሸግ'ገር ታይምስ። እዚህ ላይ የዓሰብ ወደብን የመጠቀም አዝማምያ እንዴት ነበሩ በመጀመርያ ላይ ኣሁንስ ስለ እንቅስቃሴው በኛ በኵል ምን መረጃ ኣል'ለ፡ ሁለተኛ፡ ተከፍተው የነበሩት መንገዶች ተመልሰው የተዘጉበት ሁኔታ ነው የኣለው፡ በተጨማሪም ደግሞ የባሕር ሓይላችን busy ቢዚ የሚሆነው እዚያ ኣካባቢ ነበር: አሁን ወደ ጅቡቲ እንደዞረ የሚነገሩ ነገሮች ኣሉና ይሄን ነገሮችስ ኣንተ ካልከው ምን ያህል ያጠናክራል ነገሩን፧

ታምራት ነገራ ፈዪሳ። I think ኣይ ትሂንክ የዓሰቡ ነገር ኣሁን ተመልሶ የተነሳ ይመስላል። መንገዱ ቢያንስ በኤርትራ በኵል ተጠናቅቆኣል የሚል መግለጫ ኣል'ለ። ኬላዎቹ መዝጋት ያስፈለገበት ያው ከኤርትራ side ሳይድ የነበረ concern ኮንሰርን ነው፣ክ ኢትዮጵያ በኵል ኣይደለም የተዘጋው። ፕ/ት ኢሳያስ እንትኑን መቈጣጠር የቻሉ ኣይመስለኝም። የህዝብ-ለ-ህዝብ ግኑኝነቱም ንግዱንም በተጨማሪ ደግሞ የህ.ወ.ሓ.ትንም እንቅስቃሴ contain ኮንትኤኢን ማድረግ የኤርትራ ተቃዋሚዎች እንቅስቃሴ contain ኮንትኤኢን ማድረግ በኣጠቃላይ ውስጣዊ የፖለቲካ ጉዳዮቻቸውን መቈጣጠር የፈለጉ ይመስለኛል። አሁን ይሄ ነገር ምንድርነው የሚያሳየው፡ እንደነገርኩህ ቅድም መሰረታዊ ጥያቄዎች ተመልሰው concrete ኮንክሪት፡ ተጨባጭ ወደሆኑ ግልጽ ወደሆኑ የሁለት ኣገሮች ግኑኝነት ኣይደለም አሁን ያል'ለው። በገንዘብ፡ በንግድ፡ በህዝብ ለ ህዝብ እንቅስቃሴ ፡ባል'ለን በፖለቲካ ስራ ግልጽ የሆነ እንትን የል'ለም፤ በተለይ ከኤርትራ side ሳይድ።

ተጠቃሚነቱን ካየነው በኣንድ በኵል ኤርትራ በጣም ብዙ ጥቅሞችን ... እንዲያውም ኣብላጫውን ጥቅም ያገኘች ይመስላል። ኤርትራ ስንንል ግን ከኣገሪቱ ይልቅ ፕ/ት ኢሳያስ ትንፋሽ፡ ሊሞት የነበረ ስርዓታቸውና መንግስታቸው መጠነኛ ትንፋሽ ኣግኝተኣል፣ completely ኮምፕሊትልይ ተዘግቶ የነበረው መንግስታቸው ከፍ ብሎ በዓለምኣቀፍ ደረጃ እንዲሆን ተደርጎኣል። ይሄ ነገር፡ እርግጥ ነው፡ የየመን ጦርነት: ኣሜሪካም በዚያ ኣካባቢ ኤርትራ ላይ የነበራት ኣቋም መለስለሱ ... እንነዚህ እንነዚህ ነገሮች contribute ኮንትሪብዩት ኣድርገዋል።

የባሕር ሓይሉ ጉዳይ ኤርትራ was never an option ዎዝ ነቨር ኣን ኦፕሽን። ይህንም ስሰማ የመጀርያ ግዜዬ ነው። ግን ኤርትራም የምትፈልግ ኣይመስለኝም። ጅቡቲ ያው የባሕር ሓይላችን፡ወይንም ኣጠቃላይ ከፈረንሳይ ጋር ያለው የጦር agreement ኣግሪመንት ያው ጂቡቲ ያው የፈረንሳይ እንትን ስለሆነች (ኣሻንጉሊት ሃገር ስለሆነች) ከፈረንሳይ ጋር የተደረገው ስምምነት ይመስለኛል ወደ ነገሮችን ያመጣው እና ጅቡቲ ደግሞ already አልረዲ የቻይና የኣሜሪካ የፈረንሳይ even ኢቭን የጀርመን የተለያዩ ኣገሮች የጦር ካምፖች እና የጦር እንቅስቃሴ ስላለ ኢትዮጵያ እዛ ጋር ማድረጓ I think ኣይ ትሂንክ ተገቢ ነው ለግዜው።

ቢያንስ ወደ ምጽዋዕ፡ ወደ ታሪካዊ ንብረታችን የሆነ ቦታ እስክንመልለስና ባሕር ሓይል እዚያ እስከምናቋቍም ድረስ ጅቡቲ መሆኑ ኣይከፋም። ቆንጆም ነው፡ ምክንያቱም ለቀይሕ ባሕርም ለህንድ[ኣዊ]ውቅያኖስም ትክክለኛ position ፖዚሽን ነው፣ ቢያንስ አሁን ባል'ለው ሁኔታ። ባሕር ሓይል እስከሚጀመርና ሙልይ እንትን እስኪኖረው ድረስ። ክዚያ በኃላ የሚሆነውን እንግዲህ እናያለን።


ሸግ'ገር ታይምስ። እንግዲህ ሁለት ሰዎች ላይ የተንጠለጠለው የሁለቱ ሃገራት አሁንም በዚያው መንገድ ነው ያልለውና ምንድርነው መደረግ ያለበት፧ መደረግ ያል'ለበት የል'ለም ወይ፧ ውይይት ኣያስፈልግም ወይ፧ መደረግ ያልለበት የል'ለም፧

ታምራት ነገራ ፈዪሳ። መጀመርያ፡ እኔ ስለ ኤርትራም ሆነ ስለ ኢሳያስ ኣይ ዶንት ኬር፡ ግድ ድ የሚሰጠኝ ስለ ኢትዮጵያ ነው።የኢትዮጵያ ጥቅም የሚባለው ነገር ነው። ስለዚህ ኢትዮጵያ ምንድርነው የምትፈልገው፧በመካከለኛው ምስራቅ (በMiddle East በሚድል ኢስት) በኢትዮጵያ በኣፍሪቃ ቀንድ ላይ ምንድርነው የምትፈልገው የሚለው፤ እሱን ግልጽያደረግን ቀን ለራሳችን ... በተለይ መንግስታችን ያን ያወቀና ያንን የተገበረ ቀን --- ለወሬው: ለዲፕሎማሲው : ልህዝብ ለ ህዝብ: አንድ ህዝብ ነን: የሚባለው ኮተትና ተረት ጥሩ ነው --- ግን actually ኣክቹኣልሊ ኢትዮጵያ የሚያስፈልጋት በመጀመርያ ደረጃ የራስዋ የሆነ ወደብ ነው። የምትከራየው፡ የምትዋስ'ሰው፡ የምትሳሰው (?)፡ ሳይሆን የራስዋ፡ የግልዋ የሆነ access to [the sea] ኣክሰስ ቱ ባሕር ያስፈልጋታል።

ሁለተኛ፡ ለኢትዮጵያ አደጋ የማትሆን ኤርትራን መስራት አለብን። ኤርትራዊ የመሆን፡ ኢትዮጵያዊ ናቸው፡ ወንድማማች ነን፡ የሚባል ሓተታ ኣያስፈልግም። በእኔ እምነትና በግልጽ ኤርትራ ምንም ዓይነት ጦር መሳርያ የሌላት፡ ምንም ዓይነት ዲፕሎማቲክ [ግኑኝነት] ወይ ኤምባሲ ምናምን የሌላት፤ ፖሊስዋ ከዱል'ላ ውጪ [ሌላ መሳርያ] የሌለው ኤርትራ ያስፈልገናል። ለኢትዮጵያ ምንም ዓይነት የዲፕሎማሲ፡ የኤኮኖሚ፡ የፖለቲካ፡ ስግኣት የማትሆን ኤርትራ ፈጥረህ ትሰጣቸዋለህ። [ማለት]ያውም ከኣሩሲ: ከኣሰላ ውጪ ያልተሻለ [rather የተሻለ] ዓቅም የሌላት ሃገር። በዚህ በኵል ኤርትራውያን ብዙ እንዳይማሩ: ብዙ እንዳይሰሩ: ጠንካራ ኣገር እንዳይሆኑ: ፕ/ት ኢሳያስ የዋሉልን የ30 ዓመት ውለታ መዘንጋት የለብንም። እዛ ላይ ማጠናከር ነው፡ ኣጠናክሮ መስራት ነው። የሚያስፈልገው ፖሊስ ነው፡ ያ ፖሊስ ደግሞ ከዱላ ውጪ እንዳይኖረው። አንድ ኤምባሲ ያስፈልጋቸዋል፡ አዲስ አበባ። ከአዲስ አበባ ውጪ ሌላው ዓለማቀፍ ግኑኝነታቸው በሙሉ በኢትዮጵያ የውጪ ጕዳይ ሚኒስቴር ስር እንዲሆን አድርገህ ማስቀመጥ፡ እንደዚያ ዓይነት state ስቴት መስራት ይቻላልም ያስፈልጋልም። ከዛ ደግሞ ባሕር ሓይላችን የኛ ጦር የሚኖርበት የባሕር access ኣክሰስ ሙሉ ለሙሉ የኛ ይሆናል። ከዛ ውጪ በኛ ፍቃድና ሁኔታ ኦሊምፒክ ... ይሳተፋሉ።


ሸግ'ገር ታይምስ። በፈደራል ፖሊስ የሚታዘዝ...

ታምራት ነገራ ፈዪሳ። እንደዛ ያስፈልጋል። እና ምንድርነው፡ ይሄ አንድ definition ደፊንሽን ነው። ከኤርትራ [ethnicity/nationalism] ብሔርተኛነት፡ ከኤርትራ nationalism ናሽናሊዝም [ሃገራዊነት]፡ ከኤርትራ የውስጥ እና ምናምን ጣጣ ኣትገባም። የራሳቸው ፓርላማ ይኖራቸዋል፣ የራሳቸው እንትን ይኖራቸዋል፡ አንድ የሆነ መንግሥት ይኖራቸዋል--- some sort of administration ስኦም ስኦርት ኦቭ አድምንኢስትሬሽን ። ከዛ ውጪ፡ አንድ ነን፡ አንድ ህዝብ ነን፡ አንድነትን፡ የሚባል ነገር ኣያስፈልግም። እኛ የምንፈልገው ባሕር በር'ራችንን፡ ሁለተኛም፡ ለኢትዮጵያ የዲፕሎማቲክ፡ የፖለቲካ፡ የኤኮኖሚውም ኣደጋ የማትሆን እንደ ኣገር አድርገህ ማስቀመጥ [ነው]። ይሄ፡ I think ኣይ ትህኢንክ ፡ በኔ ግምት፡ ይሄ ነው the way forward ትዘ ውኤይ ፎርዎርድ። ይሄን ለማድረግ ግን ስምምነት ያስፈልጋል። ምንድርነው የምንፈልገው የሚለው eliteኡ ኤሊቱ ጋር ስምምነት ያስፈልጋል። ስምምነት መፍጠር የኛ ግዴታ ነው።

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Re: Tamerat Negera Feyisa's Desires and Pivoting Points of Varied Opinions Re: Eritrea or Etiyopiya

Post by YAY » 10 Jan 2020, 00:11

Was the recent Issaias--Abiy meeting an appeasement meeting?

Tamerat said,
ብዙ ሰዎች ፕ/ት ኢሳያስ እና ጠ/ሚ አብይ አብረው ነው የሚሸለሙ ሲሉአቸው ነበር። በጉዳዩ ላይ ግን ፕ/ት ኢሳያስ በብዙ መልኩ ለኖቤልም ሆነ ለማንኛውም ዓይነት ሽለማት የሚበቁ ሰው ስላልሆኑ ሳይበቁ ቀርተዋል። ይሄ ደግሞ ጠ/ሚ አብይ ካላቸው ፕላን፡ እስትራተጂ፡ እና ሓሳብ ጋር፡ፕ/ት ኢሳያስን ሊያስኮርፍ ስለሚችል፡ ያው የማባባያ ጕዕዞ ነበረ።


Tamerat is essentially saying: Contrary to what many people expected, the Nobel Committee thought President Issaias does not deserve to share the prize with Abiy, and that would upset Issaias. But PM Abiy needs President Issaias in accomplishing his plans together with him. So,Abiy needed to do something to appease President Issaias, and that is why PIA came to Addis Ababa. So Issaias's last visit to Addis must have been Abiy's effort of a-feel-good visit for Issaias .

If that was the case, what did Abiy do to make PIA feel good--- sharing the Nobel award prize, etc. ? Tamerat says nothing that he knows any truth about what he said. It seems that Tamerat is just speaking his imagination as truth; and that is not good for a "reporter" planning to raise funds to start his own internet channel---i.e. to disseminate unconfirmed reports and poor quality commentaries.

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Re: Tamerat Negera Feyisa's Desires and Pivoting Points of Varied Opinions Re: Eritrea or Etiyopiya

Post by eden » 10 Jan 2020, 00:55

Tamirat is arguing not even Eritrea and Ethiopia Foreign Ministries know the substance of the bilateral relations. So it’s personal, not institutional.

Tamirat also argues, from Ethiopia’s perspective, Eritrea is neither using sea access for itself nor making it available to land locked neighbor with people 20 times its population. So it seems it’s calculated by foreign powers to render Ethiopia backward at worst or uncompetitive at best.

As an individual, I take these arguments very compelling. I don’t think you find one sane Ethiopian that disagrees. Even Meles would agree except the timing and method.

As an Eritrean, the best move is to workout this sea access issue for and with Ethiopia. I have been saying this since forever. Even the indefinite military service that’s suffocated us as a nation is tied to this sea access issue. The problem is, I hate to tell you, Eritrea elite including hgdef is not strategic thinker like Tamrat or Meles.

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Re: Tamerat Negera Feyisa's Desires and Pivoting Points of Varied Opinions Re: Eritrea or Etiyopiya

Post by Awash » 10 Jan 2020, 01:14

YOYO,
THE TYRANT ( DICTATORSHIP not PRESIDENT - SHIP) IS EXPOSED FOR WHAT HE IS: AN INCOMPETENT TYRANT WHO HAS MADE ERITREA AVAILABLE FOR ETHIOPIAN ANNEXATION.


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Re: Tamerat Negera Feyisa's Desires and Pivoting Points of Varied Opinions Re: Eritrea or Etiyopiya

Post by YAY » 10 Jan 2020, 02:58

Did President Issaias Afwerki benefit more from the 2018 peace deal than Etiyopiya or Eritrea did?
Tamerat said,
ተጠቃሚነቱን ካየነው በኣንድ በኵል ኤርትራ በጣም ብዙ ጥቅሞችን ... እንዲያውም ኣብላጫውን ጥቅም ያገኘች ይመስላል። ኤርትራ ስንንል ግን ከኣገሪቱ ይልቅ ፕ/ት ኢሳያስ ትንፋሽ፡ ሊሞት የነበረ ስርዓታቸውና መንግስታቸው መጠነኛ ትንፋሽ ኣግኝተኣል፣ completely ኮምፕሊትልይ ተዘግቶ የነበረው መንግስታቸው ከፍ ብሎ በዓለምኣቀፍ ደረጃ እንዲሆን ተደርጎኣል።
Roughly translated: "If we see it from the side of benefits, Eritrea got very many benefits, in fact it seems she got more benefits, but when we say Eritrea, President Issaias's dying regime and government, more than the country itself did, was somewhat reprieved from its demise. His government also that was completely blocked has now come up to normal level of international interaction."
President Issaias is the chief executive officer of the government of Eritrea as Abiy is to that of Etiyopiya. With the exception of personal security and daily sustenance needs, each is working primarily for the revival and benefits of his respective country, and common benefits. Sanctions did not completely cut off Eritrea's international relations. Nor did Etiyopiya's ties with many countries save it from its verge of collapse, Each country's verge of collapse were qualitatively equal. Both countries have benefited, and will continue to further benefit from their peace deal.
"Ethiopia's PM says ending war, expanding economic links with Eritrea key for regional stability"
Ethiopia’s prime minister said on Wednesday that ending war and expanding economic ties with neighboring Eritrea is critical for stability and development in the impoverished Horn of Africa region." Reuters reported from Addis Ababa.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ethi ... SKCN1J225Y

Tamerat did not show that President Issaias benefited more than Abiy,Etiyopiya, or Eritrea.

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Re: Tamerat Negera Feyisa's Desires and Pivoting Points of Varied Opinions Re: Eritrea or Etiyopiya

Post by YAY » 10 Jan 2020, 04:28

Dear Eden: The Government of Eritrea is working hard to make its ports accessible to Etiyopiya

Why are you believing Tamerat's argument that the foreign ministers don't know the fundamental agreements of the peace deal. The foreign ministers of both countries are involved in the talks and negotiations and finalizing the substantive details.What evidence did Tamerat present to you for you to take him at face value? The basic guidelines of the agreement are in writing for any one to refer to. Each of these agreements have to be discussed,negotiated, and the details and rules of implementation cannot be known by anybody---i.e. even PM Abiy or President Issaias---until professionals and lawyers, experts,etc. review and finalize them. Just because a foreign minister, or any one else, does not know the details of the implementation regimes of certain aspects does not make the substance of the agreement personal. Ignorance of organizational or governmental processes of decision-making may be the problem on your part.

Whether Etiyopiya is 20 or 200 times the population of Eritrea or not the infrastructure (roads, cranes, storage, labor, management, finance, rules and procedures of resolving conflicts, etc.) of the ports that were essentially idle for decades, need to be ready to serve customers. Eritrea is not blocking Etiyopiya from using our ports for a fee (which also need to be negotiated and generally agreed upon). But they have to be made ready to serve customers.

Tamerat's arguments should not be only one-sided (Etiyopiya's). That is counter-productive. There ought to almost always be business negotiations, agreements and reviews of agreements. We want Eritrean ports to be used by our Etiyopiyan customers and they have the need and advantages of using Eritrean resources (in this case port services);and our agreements should work for our (both sides') mutual benefits.

Etiyopiya has alternatives of using ports around it. We want Etiyopiya to use our ports more, and we shall compete with the rest for Etiyopiya to use our ports. Eritrea's ports may just be the best choices among their competitors. We may also need to make other new ports available for Etiyopiya's use. I personally want Etiyopiyans to see our port services as a business enterprise benefiting both sides. They can tell us what kind of services they need, and we shall deliver. The customer is the boss in business. I believe that Eritrea should think and deliver services that make Etiyopiya be internationally competitive, which would be more business for us. If there is peace between Etiyopiya and Eritrea, the importance of national security matters goes down in priority. If there comes a foreign threat that affects Eritrea and/or Etiyopiya shows up we need to think of facing aggression together, and involve our neighboring countries, too. That could be worked out, revised, and improved.

Eden, I see you frequently presenting yourself as a strategic thinker better than others. That is called self aggrandizing. Please desist from such a behavior. From what I know about EPLF or HGDeF, they are very good long-term, or strategic thinkers, as well as tacticians. They would not have been successful overall this far, if they were not. That is what guides them as a compass and they don't get distracted by the clutters of new problems their challenges or "wiser"people like you throw at them. You undermining them is to your disadvantage. Still, they don't mind considering your views for what they are worth. You failed to convince me that Tamerat is a strategic thinker for coexistence; he is rather a bully who wants his desires achieved without any care for Eritrea(ns),and may be Etiyopiyans, too. A strategic thinker who disregards equality and justice is not a good strategist for peace.
eden wrote:
10 Jan 2020, 00:55
Tamirat is arguing not even Eritrea and Ethiopia Foreign Ministries know the substance of the bilateral relations. So it’s personal, not institutional.

Tamirat also argues, from Ethiopia’s perspective, Eritrea is neither using sea access for itself nor making it available to land locked neighbor with people 20 times its population. So it seems it’s calculated by foreign powers to render Ethiopia backward at worst or uncompetitive at best.

As an individual, I take these arguments very compelling. I don’t think you find one sane Ethiopian that disagrees. Even Meles would agree except the timing and method.

As an Eritrean, the best move is to workout this sea access issue for and with Ethiopia. I have been saying this since forever. Even the indefinite military service that’s suffocated us as a nation is tied to this sea access issue. The problem is, I hate to tell you, Eritrea elite including hgdef is not strategic thinker like Tamrat or Meles.

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Re: Tamerat Negera Feyisa's Desires and Pivoting Points of Varied Opinions Re: Eritrea or Etiyopiya

Post by Zmeselo » 10 Jan 2020, 05:11

What he doesn't know about President Isaias & if I freely use my imagination here as he does is that PIA wouldn't have attended the Nobel ceremonies, even if he had been the co- reciepient.

Besides, the Nobel committee has awarded well known war criminals in the past. So, him painting them as some moral guardians is just funny.

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Re: Tamerat Negera Feyisa's Desires and Pivoting Points of Varied Opinions Re: Eritrea or Etiyopiya

Post by pastlast » 10 Jan 2020, 05:27

Isayas Afwrki is a Human Rights Criminal and a War Criminal as well for the Executions and Kidnapping of Eritrean Women and children...his regime continues to do the same but Arsesniffing Child Molestors like you benefit from the P3dophilia friendly PFDJ!
Zmeselo wrote:
10 Jan 2020, 05:11
What he doesn't know about President Isaias & if I freely use my imagination here as he does is that PIA wouldn't have attended the Nobel ceremonies, even if he had been the co- reciepient.

Besides, the Nobel committee has awarded well known war criminals in the past. So, him painting them as some moral guardians is just funny.

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Re: Tamerat Negera Feyisa's Desires and Pivoting Points of Varied Opinions Re: Eritrea or Etiyopiya

Post by Zmeselo » 10 Jan 2020, 05:44

Like a pet, you go wherever your master zmeselo goes! :lol:



pastlast wrote:
10 Jan 2020, 05:27
Isayas Afwrki is a Human Rights Criminal and a War Criminal as well for the Executions and Kidnapping of Eritrean Women and children...his regime continues to do the same but Arsesniffing Child Molestors like you benefit from the P3dophilia friendly PFDJ!
Zmeselo wrote:
10 Jan 2020, 05:11
What he doesn't know about President Isaias & if I freely use my imagination here as he does is that PIA wouldn't have attended the Nobel ceremonies, even if he had been the co- reciepient.

Besides, the Nobel committee has awarded well known war criminals in the past. So, him painting them as some moral guardians is just funny.


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Post by Zmeselo » 10 Jan 2020, 07:09

Apparently, President Trump states in this video that he cannot understand why the Nobel Peace Prize was awarded to Dr. Abby, when it was he that saved the country and brought peace ... :lol:


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Re: Tamerat Negera Feyisa's Desires and Pivoting Points of Varied Opinions Re: Eritrea or Etiyopiya

Post by Aurorae » 10 Jan 2020, 10:04

Brother Yay,

I would not even rebottle what the idiot wrote. Ethiopia is not a nation that can apply law of the jungle and survive. :lol: :lol: The man is a Dergist. His father was scorched in a war that he should not have been a part of. He is giving us a crocodile tears. Eritreans need to fix the problem at home. Ethiopia's existence was dependent on us back in 1991. We chose the right thing for the Ethiopians are decent. Any and everything that followed after independence allowed for idiots like this man even the chance to be heard.

Eden, agame hoo__ker, you are the worst enemy of the Eritrean people. Who is we, you stupid lice infected shyyyyt :evil: Did your stupid father die in Eritrea trying poison our wells ? :lol: You are nothing but another Sege__ra Nagara :P

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Re: Tamerat Negera Feyisa's Desires and Pivoting Points of Varied Opinions Re: Eritrea or Etiyopiya

Post by YAY » 11 Jan 2020, 17:42

Dear Aurora: My intention was not to do a rebuttal on Tamerat's details, but educational on Eritrea(ns) overall values

There are a lot of people who cannot understand what Tamerat is saying because of language difficulties. They do not know AmHarinya. It is good that such people know what is being said about the sustenance of Etiyopiya-Eritrea peace.

For example, Tamerat said,
የኤርትራ ህልውና ራሱ ጥያቄ ውስጥ ነው ያለው። ህልውና ስል ልዐላዊነት፡ ኤርትራ ኣለኝ የምትለው illusion of ኢልሉዥን ኦቭ ልዐላዊነት ኣስፈላጊይሁን ኣይሁን ኢትዮጵያ ራስዋ ኣልተስማማችም። ኢትዮጵያ ስል ያ የኢሃደግ መንግሥት ተስማምቶኣል፡ ግን ኢትዮጵያውያን እኛ ገና ውሳኔ [ላይ]ኣልደረስንም። እዚያ ላይ ፡ ማለት አሁን ያለው የኤርትራ ህልውና እና ልዐላዊነት፡ ኢትዮጵያን በማፈን ላይ የተመሰረተ ልዐላዊነት ነው። ኢትዮጵያን የባሕር በር በመከልከል የኢትዮጵያን ጠላቶች (ታሪካዊም ሆኑ ወቅታዊ ጠላቶች) ጋር ቋሚ ትብብር በማድረግ ላይ የተመሰረተ ህልውና ነው። ይሄ ህልውና ዘላቂ አይደለም። ኢትዮጵያ፡ ኤርትራ እንዳትኖር የወሰነች ቀን፡ ኤርትራ ኣትኖርም። ኢትዮጵያንም ማንም ሓይል ኣያግዳትም። ማንም ሓይል፡ የተባበሩ መንግሥታት ምናምን ...የሆነ ሓይል አያግዳትም። ግን ለግዜው ውስጣዊ ጉዳይ busy ቢዚ ኣድርጎናል።ይሄንን ደግሞ ኤርትራውያን ያውቁታል። ሁሉም ኤርትራዊ ያውቃል።ኢትዮጵያ የፈቀደች ቀን ኤርትራ የምትባል ነገር ኣትኖርም። ይሄም ስግኣት ገና ኣልተመለሰም።
Roughly translated: "Eritrea's existence is in question. When I say existence, it refers to sovereignty: what it is, the illusion of sovereignty that Eritrea claims it has, is something that Etiyopiya/Ethiopia has not settled within itself. When I say Etiyopiya, I realize that the EPRDF [Ethiopian People's Revolutionary Democratic Front] Etiyopiya recognized [Eritrea's sovereignty], but we, Etiyopiyans/Ethiopians have not made up our decision yet. Here, I mean, that Eritrea's existence and sovereignty is a sovereignty based upon suffocating Etiyopiya. It is an existence that is based upon blocking Etiyopiya's portal to the sea as well as permanent cooperation with Etiyopiya's enemies (those that are historical or temporary enemies). This [type of Eritrea's] existence is not lasting.
The day Etiyopiya decided Eritrea should not exist, Eritrea would exist no more. No power could stop Etiyopiya [from doing so]. No power, the United Nations, anyone ... or any power can prevent Etiyopiya. But, right now, our internal affairs are keeping us busy. Every Eritrean knows: the day Etiyopiya has the will, a thing called Eritrea would exist no more."

Etiyopiya, as a State (Government and people), agreed to a method through which the people of Eritrea could determine their future (a referendum) and abide by the results of the referendum (i.e. the Eritrean people's right to self-determination); and has officially recognized Eritrea's independence and sovereignty. That is a fact, and undeniable. So, Tamerat's cause (to make "the Etiyopiyan people" determine on Eritrea's fate) is unreasonable and illegitimate, and therefore, unjust. Etiyopiya may be militarily more powerful than Eritrea,but that might cannot give her the right to determine the existence or sovereignty of Eritrea or not. The people of Eritrea have earned their sovereignty and we deserved to have the last say on our sovereignty; and current international law is on our side. We also know that the majority of the Etiyopiyan people, and their Government, do not support going to war against Eritrea to make Tamerat's dream come true. That is why Etiyopiya and Eritrea signed a peace deal in 2018.

Aurorae wrote:
10 Jan 2020, 10:04
Brother Yay,

I would not even rebottle what the idiot wrote. Ethiopia is not a nation that can apply law of the jungle and survive. :lol: :lol: The man is a Dergist. His father was scorched in a war that he should not have been a part of. He is giving us a crocodile tears. Eritreans need to fix the problem at home. Ethiopia's existence was dependent on us back in 1991. We chose the right thing for the Ethiopians are decent. Any and everything that followed after independence allowed for idiots like this man even the chance to be heard.

Eden, agame hoo__ker, you are the worst enemy of the Eritrean people. Who is we, you stupid lice infected shyyyyt :evil: Did your stupid father die in Eritrea trying poison our wells ? :lol: You are nothing but another Sege__ra Nagara :P
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Re: Tamerat Negera Feyisa's Desires and Pivoting Points of Varied Opinions Re: Eritrea or Etiyopiya

Post by Awash » 11 Jan 2020, 19:21

Zmeselo wrote:
10 Jan 2020, 05:11
What he doesn't know about President Isaias & if I freely use my imagination here as he does is that PIA wouldn't have attended the Nobel ceremonies, even if he had been the co- reciepient.

Besides, the Nobel committee has awarded well known war criminals in the past. So, him painting them as some moral guardians is just funny.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :mrgreen:
ታምራት ነገራ፡ ዕጉም ሻቦን ነገራ
ታምራት ነገራ፣ ልክልኩን ነገራ
ታምራት ነገራ፡ እውነቱን ነገራ
ታምራት ነገራ፡ ዕጉም ሻቦን ነገራ።
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Re: Tamerat Negera Feyisa's Desires and Pivoting Points of Varied Opinions Re: Eritrea or Etiyopiya

Post by Awash » 11 Jan 2020, 21:04

YOYO,
HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEND A NIGHT IN THE LUXURY HOTEL MEDHIN BERAD?

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Re: Tamerat Negera Feyisa's Desires and Pivoting Points of Varied Opinions Re: Eritrea or Etiyopiya

Post by YAY » 11 Jan 2020, 21:49

Dear Awash: No amount of temporary problems can override the independence and sovereignty of Eritrea

You could list all the current problems that Eritrea may have,and they are many. We could all check if Tamerat's or anyone else's assertions are correct or wrong. Remember that several forces were working hard for the Government of Eritrea to fail, and then come around to claim that Eritrea has failed. We all could try to figure out which of the current Transitional Eritrean Government's policies are good or faulty. We could also debate how to improve/develop or help solve things in Eritrea.

But, I would not accept Tamerat Negera's desire to take away Eritrea's independence and the Eritrean people's sovereignty on their own affairs for any reason. Tamerat is listing Eritrea's problems (true or false) to use them as a basis for his dream of owning Eritrea. Some Eritreans in the opposition are using his criticism on the Government of Eritrea as if his statements are proof that their grievances and complaints were right all along. No such complaints or grievances are more important than keeping Eritrea independent and sovereign. The Eritrean people could change their government or leaders, and improve their living standards when there are peaceful relations with Etiyopiya.

Awash wrote:
11 Jan 2020, 19:24

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Post by YAY » 11 Jan 2020, 21:56

Dear Awash: Do you have any other plans of building better LUXURY HOTELs

No, I don't want to spend a night any place I don't want to. But, have you prepared any better place in Eritrea where people can stay?
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YOYO,
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Re: Tamerat Negera Feyisa's Desires and Pivoting Points of Varied Opinions Re: Eritrea or Etiyopiya

Post by Awash » 11 Jan 2020, 22:22

I'm gonna stop you right there, YOYO. This is no "temporary problem". You call 20+ years in metal shipping container, underground call, Eiraero gulag etc. etc temporary? If you have children born at the time, they would be about to graduate from college (you do live in free & democratic West, don't you).
You are one savage baztard who enjoy the fruit of their labor, freedom and liberty of the West while, at the same time, support a savage regime in Eritrea the has suffocated an entire nation and made it the scorn of the humanity. Even Tamirat Negera Feyissa couldn't stand your savagery towards your fellow Eritreans.
YAY wrote:
11 Jan 2020, 21:49
Dear Awash: No amount of temporary problems can override the independence and sovereignty of Eritrea ....

Awash wrote:
11 Jan 2020, 19:24

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Post by YAY » 11 Jan 2020, 22:53

Dear Awash: You wish you could stop me from saying "temporary problems", but you cannot

Please let me try to explain the situation in a different way. Losing Eritrea's independence and sovereignty (making final decisions about our own affairs), if Tamerat gets his way, is long-term, rather forever. Anything less than that is temporary. We Eritreans do not want to destroy the Government (no matter how many weaknesses, faults, short-comings, etc. it might display, but aid it to get better) when it is/was in a long and sustained state of emergency. We understand that many nations were first built by monarchs,tyrants and despots, rather than democrats and human rights activists. Etiyopiya, Tamerat Negera's and Weldeselasse "SebHat" Negga's country, is a case to point out. Even if all your complaints and grievances were right, but I know they are not, I would advise you to see the Eritrean Government favorably until the Eritrean Opposition is ever able be united under democratic majority votes and to setup a better, and militarily stronger, alternative that can defend Eritrean independence and sovereignty. Until you see such an alternative, let the Eritrean "dictatorship" keep Eritrea sovereign and independent. Do you see any other better alternative?
Awash wrote:
11 Jan 2020, 22:22
I'm gonna stop you right there, YOYO. This is no "temporary problem". You call 20+ years in metal shipping container, underground call, Eiraero gulag etc. etc temporary? If you have children born at the time, they would be about to graduate from college (you do live in free & democratic West, don't you).
You are one savage baztard who enjoy the fruit of their labor, freedom and liberty of the West while, at the same time, support a savage regime in Eritrea the has suffocated an entire nation and made it the scorn of the humanity. Even Tamirat Negera Feyissa couldn't stand your savagery towards your fellow Eritreans.
YAY wrote:
11 Jan 2020, 21:49
Dear Awash: No amount of temporary problems can override the independence and sovereignty of Eritrea ....

Awash wrote:
11 Jan 2020, 19:24

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