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Re: ARE HABESHA PEOPLE BLACK??
Dear Bete Gojjam: What really is your question?
I read what you asked, but I did not exactly get what you really are looking for:
1) What do you mean by Habesha people? What is the definition of Habesha people: who are included/excluded, and why? Could any one who claims to be a member of the Habesha people be considered as one, or you have differentiating criteria?
2) Are you trying to find out how participants in this forum feel?
or to discover the scientific truth of what "black" is, and based on that, to discover if Habesha people are "black" or not?
or are you looking for an answer in genetic terms or cultural terms?
3) Are you trying to define "black" as a radiation wavelength?
or "black" as a social category (e.g. "race", "ethnicity", "bloodline", etc.)?
4) Do you really know what you are asking for? Normally, "black" is considered as a color. Is it a color?
Others have asked before 'are Ethiopians or Eritreans black?'
Check this out as a starter in https://education.seattlepi.com/not-lis ... -3426.html
In physics, "black" is not listed as a color. In nature, there are different types of radiations, and visible light is one of those radiations, and travels over a space in waves, and radiation waves could be measured by devices designed to do so. Color is a visible light. True knowledge is discovered through the utilization of a basic research methodology commonly known as "the scientific method".
I read what you asked, but I did not exactly get what you really are looking for:
1) What do you mean by Habesha people? What is the definition of Habesha people: who are included/excluded, and why? Could any one who claims to be a member of the Habesha people be considered as one, or you have differentiating criteria?
2) Are you trying to find out how participants in this forum feel?
or to discover the scientific truth of what "black" is, and based on that, to discover if Habesha people are "black" or not?
or are you looking for an answer in genetic terms or cultural terms?
3) Are you trying to define "black" as a radiation wavelength?
or "black" as a social category (e.g. "race", "ethnicity", "bloodline", etc.)?
4) Do you really know what you are asking for? Normally, "black" is considered as a color. Is it a color?
Others have asked before 'are Ethiopians or Eritreans black?'
Check this out as a starter in https://education.seattlepi.com/not-lis ... -3426.html
In physics, "black" is not listed as a color. In nature, there are different types of radiations, and visible light is one of those radiations, and travels over a space in waves, and radiation waves could be measured by devices designed to do so. Color is a visible light. True knowledge is discovered through the utilization of a basic research methodology commonly known as "the scientific method".
Visible light, radio waves, x-rays and other types of radiation are all part of the electromagnetic spectrum. Visible light is electromagnetic radiation with wavelengths ranging from roughly 400 and 700 nanometers. In physics, a color is visible light with a specific wavelength. Black and white are not colors because they do not have specific wavelengths. Instead, white light contains all wavelengths of visible light. Black, on the other hand, is the absence of visible light.
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Re: ARE HABESHA PEOPLE BLACK??
Dear Bete Gojjam: What really is your question?
https://education.seattlepi.com/not-lis ... -3426.htmlDefinitions of Black and White
The correspondence of a color to a specific wavelength is called spectral color. White and black are excluded from this definition because they do not have specific wavelengths. White is not defined as a color because it is the sum of all possible colors. Black is not defined as a color because it is the absence of light, and therefore color. In the visual art world, white and black may sometimes be defined as distinct colors. This is different from the concept of spectral color in physics.
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Re: ARE HABESHA PEOPLE BLACK??
Dear Bete Gojjam: What really is your question?
https://education.seattlepi.com/not-lis ... -3426.htmlHow Do We Experience Color?
When we see color, we experience light of that wavelength reflecting off an object or emitting from it. For example, when light from the sun shines on your blue t-shirt, the t-shirt absorbs all of the light other than the blue light. The t-shirt reflects the blue light and some of it reaches your eyes. Black is the absorption of all visible light. This is also why your black t-shirt is hot on a sunny day. All of the colors of visible light are absorbed into a black object, heating it up.
Where Does White Light Come From?
When objects generate extreme amounts of heat, they produce radiation across the entire electromagnetic spectrum, including visible light. This process is called blackbody radiation. A blackbody is a theoretical object that absorbs all radiation. Consequently, it heats up and then emits radiation across all wavelengths. As real world objects become hotter, their behavior approaches that of a blackbody. This is why the light from the sun includes all colors of visible light; it is so hot that it behaves like a blackbody.
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Re: ARE HABESHA PEOPLE BLACK??
Dear Bete Gojjam: What really is your question?
https://education.seattlepi.com/not-lis ... -3426.htmlHow to See for Yourself
You can use a prism to visualize why white is not a color. If you shine white light on a prism, the light is refracted into all different colors. Refraction is the process of light bending as it passes through a medium. Different wavelengths of light are refracted at different angles by the prism, hence the visual rainbow. White light contains all the various wavelengths that you see coming out of the prism.
How Do We Experience Color?
When we see color, we experience light of that wavelength reflecting off an object or emitting from it. For example, when light from the sun shines on your blue t-shirt, the t-shirt absorbs all of the light other than the blue light. The t-shirt reflects the blue light and some of it reaches your eyes. Black is the absorption of all visible light. This is also why your black t-shirt is hot on a sunny day. All of the colors of visible light are absorbed into a black object, heating it up.
Where Does White Light Come From?
When objects generate extreme amounts of heat, they produce radiation across the entire electromagnetic spectrum, including visible light. This process is called blackbody radiation. A blackbody is a theoretical object that absorbs all radiation. Consequently, it heats up and then emits radiation across all wavelengths. As real world objects become hotter, their behavior approaches that of a blackbody. This is why the light from the sun includes all colors of visible light; it is so hot that it behaves like a blackbody.
How to See for Yourself
You can use a prism to visualize why white is not a color. If you shine white light on a prism, the light is refracted into all different colors. Refraction is the process of light bending as it passes through a medium. Different wavelengths of light are refracted at different angles by the prism, hence the visual rainbow. White light contains all the various wavelengths that you see coming out of the prism.
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Re: ARE HABESHA PEOPLE BLACK??
Dear Bete Gojjam: In terms of natural science, any human being is neither black nor white, but...
Based on natural science, no humans are black or white in color. Therefore, the "Habesha people"---no matter how you define them--- could naturally not be black or white. But people still do have traditions of using black or white as relative terms, categories, or names, of visible color or pigment of somethings, including the skins of human beings. Some even speak of black and white as ethnic, nationality, or racial traits or identifications. Please note: science says that there is no black visible color, social traditions and cultures say there are darker visible colors, and such colors are exaggeratedly known as black. The difference is that no tradition or culture can change the wavelengths of visible colors or all-colors absorbing black, but human traditions and cultures, contrary to scientific knowledge, maintain that darker colors (regardless of intensity of darkness) are black. Racist thoughts and practices are even worse.
In the history of the U.S. of America, for instance, there were/are children born from mixed nationality/ethnicity/"races". One did not have to have a darker skin color to be called "Black". Roughly between the years of 1600s and 1900s, a racist law of the "one-drop rule" legally classified if a person were "racially" "Black" or "White". A child was legally classified as "Black" if (s)he had "one drop" of "black blood" in her/him. What is one drop of black blood, you might ask. Any person who had up to 1/32 (or 3%) was considered one-drop, and that small proportion of "black blood" in a person determined that individual to be classified in the "Black race". https://www.cnn.com/2013/11/20/living/w ... index.html
Social traditions, habits, or cultures can/do/be change(d), though. One does not have to accept a tradition that (s)he does not like. You could define your own skin color, nationality, ethnicity, or race on your own. And all "Habesha people" are not necessarily of the same nature and color. Moreover, it would be better if interested people study the issues around your question and create a new guidance. We all know that human beings mixed and inter-mixed with each other over the centuries. It is amazing that we do expect to learn more about "our pure" race, ethnicity, nationality, etc. and as if hybrids, deqalas, mixed blood are dirty. Just think about it.
Based on natural science, no humans are black or white in color. Therefore, the "Habesha people"---no matter how you define them--- could naturally not be black or white. But people still do have traditions of using black or white as relative terms, categories, or names, of visible color or pigment of somethings, including the skins of human beings. Some even speak of black and white as ethnic, nationality, or racial traits or identifications. Please note: science says that there is no black visible color, social traditions and cultures say there are darker visible colors, and such colors are exaggeratedly known as black. The difference is that no tradition or culture can change the wavelengths of visible colors or all-colors absorbing black, but human traditions and cultures, contrary to scientific knowledge, maintain that darker colors (regardless of intensity of darkness) are black. Racist thoughts and practices are even worse.
In the history of the U.S. of America, for instance, there were/are children born from mixed nationality/ethnicity/"races". One did not have to have a darker skin color to be called "Black". Roughly between the years of 1600s and 1900s, a racist law of the "one-drop rule" legally classified if a person were "racially" "Black" or "White". A child was legally classified as "Black" if (s)he had "one drop" of "black blood" in her/him. What is one drop of black blood, you might ask. Any person who had up to 1/32 (or 3%) was considered one-drop, and that small proportion of "black blood" in a person determined that individual to be classified in the "Black race". https://www.cnn.com/2013/11/20/living/w ... index.html
Social traditions, habits, or cultures can/do/be change(d), though. One does not have to accept a tradition that (s)he does not like. You could define your own skin color, nationality, ethnicity, or race on your own. And all "Habesha people" are not necessarily of the same nature and color. Moreover, it would be better if interested people study the issues around your question and create a new guidance. We all know that human beings mixed and inter-mixed with each other over the centuries. It is amazing that we do expect to learn more about "our pure" race, ethnicity, nationality, etc. and as if hybrids, deqalas, mixed blood are dirty. Just think about it.
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Dear Bete Gojjam: Have you ever heard of "White Aethiopians" ?
I want you to search that term in the internet. Defining ethnology is a guess-work even to the experts. A Nubia Archeologist, Oric Bates. (1914). The Eastern Libyans: an essay. London, MacMillan & Co. pp.44-45, for example, suggests the general ethnology of Africans, north of the great lakes, and among them are "Begas, Dankalis","Egyptians", "Abyssinians, Somalis, Gallas, Nubas, Masai" . They seem to be Hamites, Aethiopes, Nubas and mixed with Semitic, Kushitic, Nordic and other groups of tribes, and ethnicity/"races" and, I assume, their dark-skin-ness (i.e. "blackness" or "whiteness" or "coloredness"), on the scale of the observer's judgement, varied by small incremental degrees. Sometimes, even brothers and sisters, born of the same parents, reflect varied wavelengths of visible colors. But what is so important if they do/don't? if the "ignorant" opinions of the rich and powerful would not affect our lives? Nothing. Segregation, discrimination, alienation, the bad thoughts towards human pigmentation, etc. is more harmful in society than the skin "color" itself.
I want you to search that term in the internet. Defining ethnology is a guess-work even to the experts. A Nubia Archeologist, Oric Bates. (1914). The Eastern Libyans: an essay. London, MacMillan & Co. pp.44-45, for example, suggests the general ethnology of Africans, north of the great lakes, and among them are "Begas, Dankalis","Egyptians", "Abyssinians, Somalis, Gallas, Nubas, Masai" . They seem to be Hamites, Aethiopes, Nubas and mixed with Semitic, Kushitic, Nordic and other groups of tribes, and ethnicity/"races" and, I assume, their dark-skin-ness (i.e. "blackness" or "whiteness" or "coloredness"), on the scale of the observer's judgement, varied by small incremental degrees. Sometimes, even brothers and sisters, born of the same parents, reflect varied wavelengths of visible colors. But what is so important if they do/don't? if the "ignorant" opinions of the rich and powerful would not affect our lives? Nothing. Segregation, discrimination, alienation, the bad thoughts towards human pigmentation, etc. is more harmful in society than the skin "color" itself.