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Halafi Mengedi
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Tigray should not deal with Abiy whatever he promises, untrustworthy liar???

Post by Halafi Mengedi » 19 Nov 2019, 11:58

The best option for Tigray is to unseat him first by organizing all ethnics, Abiy has semi support from Amhara only. Tigray can unite all ethnics against Abiy policy and drive him out and give all ethnics their kilil and separate peacefully. There is chance we can live together peacefully, that era is done two years ago but now how can we separate peacefully per the constitution providing us???

Amhara can setup their own union with any ethnic they can find to live with them, but for us no we are gone with our ancestral lands. The Amhara shatir is in the name of Ethiopia Amhara to control other ethnics lands and feed their people on the expense of others but ethnics are smart now and they will not allow that and there is no Ethiopia since ethiopia is the enemy brand name.

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Re: Tigray should not deal with Abiy whatever he promises, untrustworthy liar???

Post by YAY » 19 Nov 2019, 14:03

Dear HalafMegedi: It is better for Tigraiy to deal with Abiy AHmed Aali than not

TPLF may choose not to deal with Abiy, but Tigraiy is much greater than TPLF. Abiy is the Prime Minister of Etiyopiya, or Ethiopia, and so far, Tigraiy is part of Etiyopiya and Tigraiyans are Etiyopiyans. Therefore, if TPLF refuses to deal with Abiy, other representatives of Tigraiy/Tigraiyans should consult with Abiy regarding Tigraiy's rights and legitimate benefits.

TPLF has reportedly refused to be part of EPRDF (a coalition of four ethno-linguistic organizations) proposed by EPRDF's executive committee, to be transformed into an Etiyopiya-wide single national political party (including other Etiyopiyans).
TPLF has the right to be/not to be a member of the one party (an idea it had previously supported), it seems for procedural reasons. It is up to TPLF, as a political body, to choose what do, but it does not have the right, as the governing party in Tigraiy in Etiyopiya, to prevent Tigraiy from dealing with the PM of Etiyopiya until Tigraiyans decide, with a REFERENDUM, that they are not Etiyopiyans. What TPLF can do is resign from office, if it does not want to be a governing body under the new situation (which has yet to be implemented); and then try to unseat Abiy.

You think that the best option for TPLF is to "unite all ethnics against Abiy['s] policy". It was TPLF's official policy not to include other ethnic organizations in EPRDF while they wanted to be included and have their own voice heard and equally be decision-makers in Etiyopiya. What Abiy proposed seems to satisfy their dream. So, how is TPLF going to "unite all ethnics" against Abiy while he is giving them the dignity they have been dreaming of ? They don't seem to think tribal like the TPLF leadership seems to. They seem to believe that they represent ethno-linguistic communities who recognize themselves as members of the Etiyopiyan national community, and both identities (ethnic and Etiyopiyan) need to be synchronized and balanced and move on. So, I doubt if TPLF would succeed "uniting all ethnics" on its side and marshal them against Abiy while he is still respecting ethno-linguistic freedoms as defined in the current Constitution.

One likely explanation that TPLF is refusing to be a member of the proposed "Etiyopiyan Prosperity Party" is not because a de facto state is better for Tigraiy, but TPLF leaders are trying not to be questioned by the rule of Etiyopiyan law and account for the alleged transgressions they might have committed in the past. Tigraiy, as a de facto state, is going to be no better than Somaliland or the DaEesh (or the Islamic State). These are states that claim to be legitimate states/governments of the people and territory they control but do not have any legal international recognition. A state is considered legitimate if both its people and foreign states offer it due recognition. It is better for Tigraiy to be an independent state rather than be a de facto state. And for that very reason, Tigraiy has to deal with Abiy and legally conduct a REFERENDUM FOR INDEPENDENCE. Please be reasonable: what would the people of Tigraiy gain by refusing to deal with Abiy peacefully. He respectfully asked TPLF to join his proposed party (and it declined) and also reassured Tigraiyans of their ethno-linguistic constitutional freedoms. Not dealing with Abiy seems to be harmful to the people of Tigraiy, in the short-term or long-term. Let not emotions blind your judgement.
Halafi Mengedi wrote:
19 Nov 2019, 11:58
The best option for Tigray is to unseat him first by organizing all ethnics, Abiy has semi support from Amhara only. Tigray can unite all ethnics against Abiy policy and drive him out and give all ethnics their kilil and separate peacefully. There is chance we can live together peacefully, that era is done two years ago but now how can we separate peacefully per the constitution providing us???

Amhara can setup their own union with any ethnic they can find to live with them, but for us no we are gone with our ancestral lands. The Amhara shatir is in the name of Ethiopia Amhara to control other ethnics lands and feed their people on the expense of others but ethnics are smart now and they will not allow that and there is no Ethiopia since ethiopia is the enemy brand name.
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Re: Tigray should not deal with Abiy whatever he promises, untrustworthy liar???

Post by Halafi Mengedi » 19 Nov 2019, 14:12

We fought it for 17 years and we defead our enemy to live in peace without them. There is no reason to go back to the same people we fought them and expect different. Tigray people fought the war and woyane is Tigray brand name.

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Re: Tigray should not deal with Abiy whatever he promises, untrustworthy liar???

Post by simbe11 » 19 Nov 2019, 14:15

What if he promised them that he is going to whiplash their busts?
Halafi Mengedi wrote:
19 Nov 2019, 11:58
The best option for Tigray is to unseat him first by organizing all ethnics, Abiy has semi support from Amhara only. Tigray can unite all ethnics against Abiy policy and drive him out and give all ethnics their kilil and separate peacefully. There is chance we can live together peacefully, that era is done two years ago but now how can we separate peacefully per the constitution providing us???

Amhara can setup their own union with any ethnic they can find to live with them, but for us no we are gone with our ancestral lands. The Amhara shatir is in the name of Ethiopia Amhara to control other ethnics lands and feed their people on the expense of others but ethnics are smart now and they will not allow that and there is no Ethiopia since ethiopia is the enemy brand name.

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Re: Tigray should not deal with Abiy whatever he promises, untrustworthy liar???

Post by Halafi Mengedi » 19 Nov 2019, 14:27

He knows you cannot do that like Issayas for 20 years???
simbe11 wrote:
19 Nov 2019, 14:15
What if he promised them that he is going to whiplash their busts?
Halafi Mengedi wrote:
19 Nov 2019, 11:58
The best option for Tigray is to unseat him first by organizing all ethnics, Abiy has semi support from Amhara only. Tigray can unite all ethnics against Abiy policy and drive him out and give all ethnics their kilil and separate peacefully. There is chance we can live together peacefully, that era is done two years ago but now how can we separate peacefully per the constitution providing us???

Amhara can setup their own union with any ethnic they can find to live with them, but for us no we are gone with our ancestral lands. The Amhara shatir is in the name of Ethiopia Amhara to control other ethnics lands and feed their people on the expense of others but ethnics are smart now and they will not allow that and there is no Ethiopia since ethiopia is the enemy brand name.

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Re: Tigray should not deal with Abiy whatever he promises, untrustworthy liar???

Post by YAY » 19 Nov 2019, 16:00

Dear Halafi Mengedi: The enemy that "you" fought against for 17 years is no more in existence

The TPLF and the other Tigraiyans fought and defeated the ESEPA/Derg regime. That regime was organized and powerful. In cooperation with others, you defeated that regime and ruled Etiyopiya for decades. There is no indication that that enemy is back in power in Etiyopiya. So, you cannot cry AmHara or Derg are back, and Tigraiy cannot live in peace, for ever. All the AmHara people have never been the enemies of Tigraiy. No AmHara regime is exclusively in power in Etiyopiya right now. These are not the same people as that of the ESEPA/Derg. You have worked with them for 27 years, and you did not fight against the current AmHara region for 27 years. So, I think, you are afraid of an enemy that is no more in existence. An imaginary enemy cannot prevent you from living in peace. Negotiate for peace than planning to fight against the current Etiyopiyan government, which is going to be costly to the people of Tigraiy. Especially unseating Abiy through measured or all-out violence is full of dangers, and its ultimate results are unpredictable. TPLF should stop hiding behind being the brand name of the people of Tigraiy.

Halafi Mengedi wrote:
19 Nov 2019, 14:12
We fought it for 17 years and we defead our enemy to live in peace without them. There is no reason to go back to the same people we fought them and expect different. Tigray people fought the war and woyane is Tigray brand name.

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