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[Sadacha Macca]

''Tigrayan political control over portions of what is now Central Eritrea is documented from the 13th century onward, but during the early 18th century this situation was briefly reversed when the ''Eritrean'' house of Tsazzega held political power over northern Tigray. In the 1750s, they lost this power to their former counselor Ras Mika'el Sehul, who began the Tigrayan military subjugation of central Eritea, which lasted on and off until 1889. During the Ethiopian Zemana Mesafint [Era of Princes], the Tigrayan rulers Ras Wolde-Selassie, Ras Sabagadis, and Dejazmach Wube all imposed their political control over central Eritrea with varying degrees of success, often by exploiting the rivalry between Tsazzega and Hazzega.
The raids and atrocities inflicted by Wube in particular left a legacy of hatred for Tigrayan rule throughout central eritrea.
Wube's Heir, ''Agaw'' Negussie, attempted to regain control of the Kebessa but was killed by the troops of Emperor Tewodros, leading to a collapse of direct tigrayan control in the 1860s and 1870s, when Egypt vied with Tigrayan lords, such as Ras Araya and the future emperor, yohannes.''

[Historical Dictionary of Eritrea
By Dan Connell, Tom Killion, pages 499-500]

[Aurora]

Sadacha,

I know you love to read history. That is wonderful. But, when modern writers write history of the past, you have to take it with the grain of salt. You have to examine their sources carefully. What they call Zemene Mesafint is nothing more than the era of bandits. The bandits occasionally forced for the people to pay taxes without reciprocating services, the bantu man style. Africa's history is full of wishful history. Modern day of policy making in Africa should not be part of it, unfortunately, the black continent remains black.

[Zack]

The tigray tigrinya conflict in the 18 century tigrayan Lords had the upper hand up to rasalula and those whom he quarreld with over the Highland of Eritrea. Through out the 20th century kebessa had the upper hand. Uptill this very indeed. The tigray tigrinya conflict is very complex it took different dimensions and stages.

Dr Zackovich

[Zack]

Kebessa is majority in Eritrea
Tigray is minority in Ethiopia and they have the smallest territory.


Dr Zackovich

[kerenite]

Dear brothers sadacha and zack,

Do not judge all eritreans based on what the amiches, the bigots, the fanatics and the pseudo-Eritreans scribble here. They are minority.

The genuine eritreans ain't here in this mereja forum at all (visit eri-websites). Hey! perhaps I am the only lone wolf here. Lol

[Eripoblikan]

[kerenite]

Dear brothers sadaca and zack,

Do not judge all eritreans based on what the amiches, the bigots, the fanatics and the pseudo-Eritreans scribble here.

The genuine eritreans ain't here on this mereja forum at all (I recommend that you visit eri-websites). Hey! FYI, I am the only lone wolf here.

[Fed_Up]

አየ ሽርጦ.. ሓላል ምጥሪ ሸቃጣይ ወዲ ሽረ... ሽርሽር ትበል ኣኖኻ

አንቺ እኮ ቅማልሽን ገና ያላራገፍሽ ቅራቅንቦ መሀይም ግሽጥ ራስ አጋሜ ነሽ... ብትላጭም አትፀጂም ዝርክርክ ነገር :: ራስሽን በራስሽ የምታጋልጭ ባትሆኝ ንሮ ኤርትራዊ ነች ብለን እንናደድ ነበር ግን ምንያረጋል IQ matter ራስሽን እያጋለጥሽ ታዝናኝን አለሽ

ፌክ እስላም ፌክ ኤርትራዊ.. ፌክ ብፌክ የገጨሽ ሽልጦ ራስ አተላ

Dear brothers sadacha and zack,

Do not judge all eritreans based on what the amiches, the bigots, the fanatics and the pseudo-Eritreans scribble here. They are minority.

The genuine eritreans ain't here in this mereja forum at all (visit eri-websites). Hey! perhaps I am the only lone wolf here. Lol

[pushkin]

Wedi ta megal mitra Agame! Yes, you are the only wolf Agame here! You don't need to cheat yourself Agame man, we all know you as Tekuan Agame. Amches are real Eritreans who defend the nation from the your uncles war of agression and yet still f@king you everywhere

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Dear brothers sadaca and zack,

Do not judge all eritreans based on what the amiches, the bigots, the fanatics and the pseudo-Eritreans scribble here.

The genuine eritreans ain't here on this mereja forum at all (I recommend that you visit eri-websites). Hey! FYI, I am the only lone wolf here.

[Sadacha Macca]

The history of the Horn's diverse peoples is rich indeed.
I will take your advice brother Aurora. If you have any suggestions for books on eritrean history for me to read, please let me know.
i just found a copy of Against All Odds: A Chronicle of the Eritrean Revolution, by Dan Connell, for a good price, so I bought it.
I want to have knowledge of all our neighbors in the horn, somali, afar, the tribes/clans of the kebessa highlanders, the tigrayans and their rases like sabagadis whom we oromos fought but respect for his bravery, etc.

[sun]

Sadacha,

I know you love to read history. That is wonderful. But, when modern writers write history of the past, you have to take it with the grain of salt. You have to examine their sources carefully. What they call Zemene Mesafint is nothing more than the era of bandits. The bandits occasionally forced for the people to pay taxes without reciprocating services, the bantu man style. Africa's history is full of wishful history. Modern day of policy making in Africa should not be part of it, unfortunately, the black continent remains black.

Hmm...

All other things being equal both the continent and its people should Stay Black since Black is a symbol of strength and the fathers and mothers of the original inventions and innovations regardless who we are and what we happen to think.Black is Beautiful regardless of diversities and definitions.

"Stay Black!" ~Malcolm x

[Abdelaziz]

Sadacha, do not trust whatever a white man writes, at most, it is a snapshot of whatever the situation around his visit was- at the time and the place. Secondly Ferenj is so naive he/she blindly generalizes from whatever minor point his guide tells him.
Trust me, until the Italians took it away from us due to Minilk's sabotage, cursedartera was always one region of Tigray. if it rebelled at times against central Tigrean authority, it is no different than Enderta, Agame, Temben, welqayit, Tselemti, Raya-Rayuma, Axum or Adwa revolting against the central authority. No one revolted like Agame in the history of post-Axum Tigray. Even most of the so-called Hamasen rebels were Agame feudal rebels..... Debeb Araya is typical example of the Sahel rebels that rebelled against Alula, and he was son of Atse yohannes' uncle. It is the qoshasha ho'moshenay lootineshes who recently started to fabricate false history of rebellion against their Tigrean masters. The werada kosmana weyane leaders have emboldened the sh'ntam Hamasenay who was licking at Tigray feet for centuries. Only Enderta ruled cursedhamashenay for 200 years nonstop. Agame ruled cursed Hamashenay since the 11th century till 18th century. From 1500 Bc to 950 AD Axum-Shire-Adwa-Temben Ruled the cursed [deleted]. The cursed ho'moshenay had never ruled himself, even the local wereda rulers,the so-called Tsazega and Hazega, were from Adwa and Temben, respectively. The master was always Tigray, then Italy, then Amharay. Actually, long time ago, at times, the TigreMahons/ Tigraymekonnens of Bora and Tselewa sent Oromo Bahrenegasis to rule Midribahri from either Adwa or Dubaruwa. Pure Oromo Bahrenegasi Mammu(whose capital was Adwa) and his grandgrandfather (whose capital was Dubaruwa) were two Bahrenegasis from Southern Tigray of pure Oromo ancestry. Who can forget the Oromo Guagnguls of Bora and Tselewa who shook the mountains of Sahel and the plains of Barka during the war against Phangs and Mamluks? Oromo and Tigray elites should wake up and smell the coffee and try to regain their commonal, glorious, lost history. You have to take what you hear or read with a hefty grain of salt, except the golden truth like mine, which you can take to the bank and cash out in millions.

[Zmeselo]

HAHAHA...

Isn't Dan Connell, your sort of a white man?

See folks?

Backstabbing agame style, looks like this. Dan Connell has done everything in his power to help the malelits, & here's the reward.

Besides, when he wrote "against all odds", the malelits had no problems with the book.

Martin Plaut's turn will come soon, I guess.

Sadacha, do not trust whatever a white man writes, at most, it is a snapshot of whatever the situation around his visit was- at the time and the place. Secondly Ferenj is so naive he/she blindly generalizes from whatever minor point his guide tells him.
Trust me, until the Italians took it away from us due to Minilk's sabotage, cursedartera was always one region of Tigray. if it rebelled at times against central Tigrean authority, it is no different than Enderta, Agame, Temben, welqayit, Tselemti, Raya-Rayuma, Axum or Adwa revolting against the central authority. No one revolted like Agame in the history of post-Axum Tigray. Even most of the so-called Hamasen rebels were Agame feudal rebels..... Debeb Araya is typical example of the Sahel rebels that rebelled against Alula, and he was son of Atse yohannes' uncle. It is the qoshasha ho'moshenay lootineshes who recently started to fabricate false history of rebellion against their Tigrean masters. The werada kosmana weyane leaders have emboldened the sh'ntam Hamasenay who was licking at Tigray feet for centuries. Only Enderta ruled cursedhamashenay for 200 years nonstop. Agame ruled cursed Hamashenay since the 11th century till 18th century. From 1500 Bc to 950 AD Axum-Shire-Adwa-Temben Ruled the cursed [deleted]. The cursed ho'moshenay had never ruled himself, even the local wereda rulers,the so-called Tsazega and Hazega, were from Adwa and Temben, respectively. The master was always Tigray, then Italy, then Amharay. Actually, long time ago, at times, the TigreMahons/ Tigraymekonnens of Bora and Tselewa sent Oromo Bahrenegasis to rule Midribahri from either Adwa or Dubaruwa. Pure Oromo Bahrenegasi Mammu(whose capital was Adwa) and his grandgrandfather (whose capital was Dubaruwa) were two Bahrenegasis from Southern Tigray of pure Oromo ancestry. Who can forget the Oromo Guagnguls of Bora and Tselewa who shook the mountains of Sahel and the plains of Barka during the war against Phangs and Mamluks? Oromo and Tigray elites should wake up and smell the coffee and try to regain their commonal, glorious, lost history. You have to take what you hear or read with a hefty grain of salt, except the golden truth like mine, which you can take to the bank and cash out in millions.

[sun]

Sadacha,

I know you love to read history. That is wonderful. But, when modern writers write history of the past, you have to take it with the grain of salt. You have to examine their sources carefully. What they call Zemene Mesafint is nothing more than the era of bandits. The bandits occasionally forced for the people to pay taxes without reciprocating services, the bantu man style. Africa's history is full of wishful history. Modern day of policy making in Africa should not be part of it, unfortunately, the black continent remains black.

Hmm...

All other things being equal both the continent and its people should Stay Black since Black is a symbol of strength and the fathers and mothers of the original inventions and innovations regardless who we are and what we happen to think.Black is Beautiful regardless of diversities and definitions. Black is a symbol of infinity and timelessness.

"Stay Black!" ~Malcolm x

"If patience is worth anything,
it must endure to the end of time.
And a living faith will last
in the midst of the blackest storm.
This is my wish for you:
Comfort on difficult days,
Smiles when sadness intrudes,
Rainbows to follow the clouds,
Laughter to kiss your lips,
Sunsets to warm your heart,
Hugs when spirits sag,
Beauty for your eyes to see,
Friendships to brighten your being,
Faith so that you can believe,
Confidence for when you doubt,
Courage to know yourself,
Patience to accept the truth,
Love to complete your life." ~ Anonymous

[Digital Weyane]

The author, ፈረንጁ Dan Connell, is a great friend of Tigray, who wishes to see Eritrea under Tigray control, because we Tegaru are the most dependable and reliable partners to anyone who wants to destroy Eritrea.

"ጥቁር የኤርትራ ልጅ ከሚያድነኝ ሀክሞ፣ ይግደለኝ ፈረንጅ እግሮቼን ከርክሞ!" አሉ የአድዋው ተወላጅ አያቴ ሲተርቱ።

[Sadacha Macca]

''Francesco Alvarez, who was a member of the Portuguese mission that arrived in Ethiopia in 1520, mentions 2 apparently Oromo names in his books.
He wrote, ''For in our time, which was a stay of 6years [1520-1526], there were here four Barnagis [Bahr Negash], that is to say, when we arrived Dori was Barnagais; he died, and at his death the crown came to Bulla, his son, a youth of 10 or 12 years of age, by order of the Prestor John.
The Bahr Negash is a title for the governor of the red sea , or present-day Eritrea.
Both Doorii and Bulaa are typical Oromo names.
Doorii is even more than a proper name; it is one of the names of the Gadaa grades.
Bulaa literally means ''to spend overnight.''
When the Portuguese mission arrived in 1520, Doorii was already well into his tenure as Bahr Negash.
Later, he was succeeded by his son, Bulaa.
Alvarez met these rulers of the red sea area, and this is firsthand information that shed lights on the Oromo assimilation and active present in northern ethioia before the 1st half of the 16th century.

There are indications of Oromo settled life in the coastal regions of the gulf of aden. In the 1840's, Richard Byrton explored various ruins, presumably of Oromo, in northern Somalia.''

[Integration and Peace in East Africa: A History of the Oromo Nation
By T. Etefa, pg 3]

[Aurora]

Sadacha,

Unfortunately, at the present I don't have any historical books I can recommend, but there were quite a few European explorers like the one you mentioned in your Tigray-Lasta-Gondar story who were eyewitnesses of particular periods. Worth exploring those eyewitness accounts. BTW, the militant Oromos of the 16th century reigned havoc in Northern Ethiopia, affecting the Gondar and Tigray warlords of the period. If you have the chance, dig into it. Good luck.

[Abdelaziz]

Sadacha, the Oromo and Irob minority in Tigray was highly respected by Agame warlords who were the top in the entire Tigray from 11th century to 16th century and ruled the entire Midribahri for generations Doori and Bula could be Irob or Oromo names. Dorri or Doori as Well as Bula are very common names in Irob. Remember Fitawrari Dorri/doori of wereda Dalol in Agame, from the Subagadis line of descent, who was the top fighter in EDU. Remember Mahari Doori the top Ethiopian cyclist in the 90s, who is now a trainer in one Mekele cycling club, etc. etc.
But like I said, for sure, Bahrenegassi Mammu and his grandgradfather were Tigrean Oromos from Bora-Tselewa, southern Enderta.

Remember the Erob saying " Erob is larger than Eritrea". They are serious about it, for they were some of the Agames who run it like their shope….. for centuries.

[Eripoblikan]

[Sadacha Macca]

Bla bla bla. This forum has been infested with mad men and women from the Horn of Africa. Pathetic!

''Francesco Alvarez, who was a member of the Portuguese mission that arrived in Ethiopia in 1520, mentions 2 apparently Oromo names in his books.
He wrote, ''For in our time, which was a stay of 6years [1520-1526], there were here four Barnagis [Bahr Negash], that is to say, when we arrived Dori was Barnagais; he died, and at his death the crown came to Bulla, his son, a youth of 10 or 12 years of age, by order of the Prestor John.
The Bahr Negash is a title for the governor of the red sea , or present-day Eritrea.
Both Doorii and Bulaa are typical Oromo names.
Doorii is even more than a proper name; it is one of the names of the Gadaa grades.
Bulaa literally means ''to spend overnight.''
When the Portuguese mission arrived in 1520, Doorii was already well into his tenure as Bahr Negash.
Later, he was succeeded by his son, Bulaa.
Alvarez met these rulers of the red sea area, and this is firsthand information that shed lights on the Oromo assimilation and active present in northern ethioia before the 1st half of the 16th century.

There are indications of Oromo settled life in the coastal regions of the gulf of aden. In the 1840's, Richard Byrton explored various ruins, presumably of Oromo, in northern Somalia.''

[Integration and Peace in East Africa: A History of the Oromo Nation
By T. Etefa, pg 3]

You sound like an angry fool who is blinded by anti-oromo feelings. Nothing new on this forum.