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Foreign interference, including by the U.S., helped drive a million Somalis into exile — including Ilhan Omar

Post by Zmeselo » 27 Jul 2019, 06:38



Foreign interference, including by the U.S., helped drive a million Somalis into exile — including Ilhan Omar

James North

https://mondoweiss.net/2019/07/foreign- ... uding/amp/

21 hours ago


Rep. Ilhan Omar. (Photo: Saul Loeb/AFP/Getty Images)

Somalia, where the remarkable Congresswoman Ilhan Omar was born, has over the past few decades generated one of the highest number of refugees in the entire world; 1.5 million people are internally displaced, and another nearly one million have fled the country entirely. Somali warlords have a great deal of responsibility for this gigantic tragedy. But outside forces, including the United States government, should also share some of the blame.

Let’s start in the mid-1970s. Somalia was still unified, ruled by General Mohamed Siad Barre, who had seized power in a coup in 1969. Neighboring Ethiopia was dominated by the elderly feudal emperor Haile Selassie. On the Cold War chessboard, Somalia was allied with the Soviet Union, while Ethiopia was still under U.S. influence. In 1974, Ethiopian “revolutionaries” overthrew the emperor, and plunged the country into nearly 2 decades of murderous chaos. The new Ethiopian dictator, Colonel Mengistu Haile Mariam, broke with the U.S. and allied with the Soviet Union, and to Cuba’s discredit Fidel Castro sent troops to sustain Mengistu’s repressive rule.

President Siad Barre saw an opportunity for Somalia. Ethiopia’s eastern Ogaden region is populated mainly by ethnic Somalis, and Siad Barre had long claimed it. In 1977, he took advantage of the chaos in Ethiopia to invade, at first successfully. The United States, now shut out of Ethiopia, switched sides, allied with Somalia and started shipping weapons https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... 2ec3762738 to Siad Barre. It was a cynical, irresponsible move; America could have promoted negotiations instead of treating Somalis and Ethiopians as expendable pawns in its competition with the Soviets.

Let’s be clear; there would have been friction, quite possibly even war, without the outside meddling by the Soviet Union, the United States, and Cuba. But with the superpowers supplying modern weaponry, the fighting got even more deadly than it would have otherwise; the Ogaden War’s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogaden_War death toll on both sides was an estimated 15,000 to 20,000. Across Africa, people regularly point out:
There are no arms manufacturers on our continent, with the exception of South Africa. Yet Africa is awash in weapons.
Ilhan Omar was born in 1982, into a prominent family in Mogadishu, the Somali capital. Her mother died when she was 2 and she was raised by her father and grandfather. When she was a little girl, President Siad Barre’s disastrous leadership finally collapsed, and civil war broke out. She told the New Yorker recently https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-poli ... -in-office that as a child she learned to identify the sound of incoming mortar shells:
My earliest memories, any unhappy memories that I have, are deeply rooted in feeling extremely tuned in to the noise of a mortar falling — the noise that it makes as it takes off and the noise that it makes when it is landing close to you.


Ilhan Omar’s family fled when she was seven, to a refugee camp across the border in Kenya. She remembered today in a New York Times opinion article https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/opin ... Position=3 that the camp had “no formal schooling or even running water.” The family stayed there 4 years, until they were admitted to America. Today, the Dadaab refugee camp holds half a million people, and the tenacity and energy of the people who live there has been captured in a moving book,
City of Thorns, by Ben Rawlence, a British reporter who has also worked for Human Rights Watch.

Events back in Somalia made it impossible for Ilhan Omar’s family to return home. In 1993, as the civil war continued and famine spread, a botched U.S. effort at “humanitarian intervention” ended in tragedy. American (and other United Nations) troops completely misunderstood the local reality and opened fire on civilians, turning initial Somali sympathy for the relief effort into hatred. On July 12 that year, a U.S. helicopter gunship raid in Mogadishu provoked Somali anger, and enraged local people responded by killing 4 Western reporters. (One of them was an impressive young man named Dan Eldon, who I had befriended in Nairobi, Kenya some years earlier.)

The U.S. intervention culminated in the notorious Black Hawk Down raid on October 3, 1993, in which 18 American soldiers died. One estimate is that during that attack, U.S. helicopters fired 50,000 rockets, in a crowded urban setting, so the Somali death toll must have been huge.

Again, Somalia would almost certainly be in some kind of crisis today even if the U.S. and the Soviet Union had never set foot there. Climate change and repeated droughts are a challenge to the country’s largely pastoral way of life. Clan membership is a central feature of Somali life, and would probably have provoked conflict over scarce resources, especially once unscrupulous clan leaders emerged. But foreign interference, especially but not only the weapons transfers, https://www.csmonitor.com/1992/1014/14012.html surely made a bad situation worse.

What’s also clear is that Ilhan Omar, more than any other member of the U.S. Congress, knows first-hand what it’s like to try to survive in a lawless world that crushes human rights. As she wrote in her New York Times opinion piece:
It was in the diverse community of Minneapolis — the very community that welcomed me home with open arms after Mr. Trump’s attacks on me last week — where I learned the true value of democracy. I started attending political caucuses with my grandfather, who cherished democracy as only someone who has experienced its absence could. I soon recognized that the only way to ensure that everyone in my community had a voice was by participating in a democratic process.

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Re: Foreign interference, including by the U.S., helped drive a million Somalis into exile — including Ilhan Omar

Post by Zmeselo » 27 Jul 2019, 07:01



OPINION

Somalia's president is no ally against terrorism

By Michael Rubin

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opin ... -terrorism

July 26, 2019

When Somalia’s largely-appointed parliament and senate elected https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... hi-mohamed Mohamed Abdullahi Mohamed, or Farmajo as he is better known, president, there was optimism https://www.usip.org/blog/2017/02/somal ... e=usip.gov in the West. Farmajo was young, he was a former prime minister and diplomat, and he had long lived in the United States.
This transition represents an important step forward for the country,
acting State Department spokesman Mark Toner said, https://www.state.gov/the-united-states ... l-process/ adding,
The United States looks forward to the timely formation of a new government, and to working in partnership with the President and new government to advance reconciliation, drought relief, security, and build the strong institutions to deliver good governance and development for the Somali people.
Defense Secretary Jim Mattis outlined https://dod.defense.gov/News/Transcript ... ington-dc/ U.S. security cooperation with Farmajo’s government: The U.S. committed itself “to build up the Somali capacity to defend itself” by identifying the terrorist threat, by providing equipment and training to African Union peacekeepers in Somalia, and by helping support the Somali forces themselves. On Nov. 27, 2018, U.S. Marine Gen. Thomas D. Waldhauser, commander of U.S. Africa Command, visited Somalia and met with Farmajo. He declared, https://www.africom.mil/media-room/arti ... ts-somalia
I’m proud of the strong relationship we have established with President Farmaajo and his government. President Farmaajo and his administration have made measurable progress and it’s clear they are dedicated to reaching the goal of a safe, stable and prosperous Somalia.
Alas, it seems the State Department, successive U.S. defense secretaries, and Waldhauser were all had. While the United States continues to pour money into Somalia, the world’s most corrupt country https://allafrica.com/stories/201901290835.html according to Transparency International, and while the U.S. embassy in Somalia continues to double down on the Farmajo experiment, Farmajo increasingly not only turns his back on reform https://wardheernews.com/time-is-runnin ... o-succeed/ but also apologizes for, if not endorses, terrorism.

Here’s the problem. The tremendous corruption Somalia faces and which Farmajo has not countered has undercut Somalia’s security. Earlier this week, a suicide bombing https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/07/ ... 50447.html in the Mogadishu mayor’s office killed 11 and barely missed James Swan, an American citizen and the United Nation’s special representative to the country. Such attacks have become a near weekly occurrence.

It is against this backdrop that Farmajo was caught on tape:
Al-Shabab has foreigners with them who refused to harm their own countries and came here to explode our country. But ours [Somali members of al-Shabab] are fools because they do not go to the countries where these foreign elements came from to explode. That exchange would have been fine, but they agreed to harm our own country only.
In other words, Farmajo is urging Somali extremists to attack in Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda, and other neighboring countries.

(Zmeselo's opinion: Eventhough I generally don't agree with Farmajo's statement, yet, Michael Rubin is putting words in the President's mouth here. There're no Ethiopian, Kenyan or Uganda members of Al- shabaab. So he cannot have meant, those countries. He must've meant North African, Middle Eastern or countries like Pakistan & Afghanistan. Those are the places, al- shabaab foreigners hail from.)

Such rhetoric is dangerous, given how al-Shabab has, in the past, done just that. For example, the 2013 Westgate Mall attackers https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/ ... acks-kenya in Nairobi, Kenya, killed 67 including British citizens, Canadians, Frenchmen, Indians, Dutch, and Koreans. The next year, al-Shabab terrorists hijacked a bus in Kenya and executed https://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2 ... 96802.html more than two dozen non-Muslims on board. In April 2015, al-Shabab terrorists killed 148 https://www.voanews.com/africa/sentenci ... -survivors at Garissa University College in Kenya. Early this year, al-Shabab terrorists attacked the upscale Dusit hotel in Nairobi and targeted foreigners. Al-Shabab has launched other attacks in Uganda, https://web.archive.org/web/20100718085 ... 4&item=922 targeting crowds of soccer fans.

Farmajo’s strategy is not only amoral, but it is also stupid, for he essentially seeks to replicate the policies earlier embraced by Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Turkey, each of which believed they could strike a devil’s bargain with extremists to limit their attacks outside their home countries only to discover they were not immune from blowback.

What is to be done? Like a gambler who believes that he can recoup his losses with just one more hand, Ambassador Donald Yamamoto and the State Department continue to double down on a strategy seeking to rebuild Somalia from the center. Across administrations, they have come to believe that the path to peace in the Horn of Africa comes from rebuilding the Somali government in Mogadishu and helping it expand its reach from the center outward

Given both the failed U.S. faith in Farmajo and the ineffectiveness, if not corruption, https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/red- ... washington of Somali Prime Minister Hassan Ali Khaire who apparently has spent his tenure maneuvering to replace Farmajo, it is time for the State and Defense Departments to consider a periphery-first strategy: consolidating security, stability, and good governance in Djibouti, Ethiopia, Somaliland, and Kenya and then partnering with local leaders who live among their own people. At present, U.S. assistance and Western investment has transformed appointed Somali bureaucrats into millionaires several times. They can skim off the top or use their inside knowledge to win business, all the while living behind high compound walls, sending their families abroad, and generally proving themselves afraid or unable to interact freely and openly with the people they claim to represent. Meanwhile, high non-governmental organization salaries distort the local economy.

It would be a far better use of assistance to invest only in regions of Somalia where local authorities live among their own people and represent them in reality rather than just on a diplomatic flowchart. Simply put, there can be no peace in Somalia until Somalis decide they want it and clan leaders demand it from their own publics.

A decade of throwing money at the problem is only making matters worse.

Farmajo’s statement suggesting al-Shabab attack Somalia’s neighbors more than Somalia underscores the failure. The U.S. Mission in Somalia can put out press releases https://so.usmission.gov/news-events/ announcing programs https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-somalia/ and talk about investing in capacity or good governance, https://so.usmission.gov/statement-by-a ... o-somalia/ but any reasonable metric suggests such investment has been wasted if not counterproductive. It’s time for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to exercise its oversight and for Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to launch a fundamental review of Horn of Africa strategy so as not to preside over a slow motion train wreck.

Michael Rubin (@Mrubin1971) is a contributor to the Washington Examiner's Beltway Confidential blog. He is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and a former Pentagon official.

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Re: Foreign interference, including by the U.S., helped drive a million Somalis into exile — including Ilhan Omar

Post by Degnet » 27 Jul 2019, 07:25

Zmeselo wrote:
27 Jul 2019, 06:38


Foreign interference, including by the U.S., helped drive a million Somalis into exile — including Ilhan Omar

James North

https://mondoweiss.net/2019/07/foreign- ... uding/amp/

21 hours ago


Rep. Ilhan Omar. (Photo: Saul Loeb/AFP/Getty Images)

Somalia, where the remarkable Congresswoman Ilhan Omar was born, has over the past few decades generated one of the highest number of refugees in the entire world; 1.5 million people are internally displaced, and another nearly one million have fled the country entirely. Somali warlords have a great deal of responsibility for this gigantic tragedy. But outside forces, including the United States government, should also share some of the blame.

Let’s start in the mid-1970s. Somalia was still unified, ruled by General Mohamed Siad Barre, who had seized power in a coup in 1969. Neighboring Ethiopia was dominated by the elderly feudal emperor Haile Selassie. On the Cold War chessboard, Somalia was allied with the Soviet Union, while Ethiopia was still under U.S. influence. In 1974, Ethiopian “revolutionaries” overthrew the emperor, and plunged the country into nearly 2 decades of murderous chaos. The new Ethiopian dictator, Colonel Mengistu Haile Mariam, broke with the U.S. and allied with the Soviet Union, and to Cuba’s discredit Fidel Castro sent troops to sustain Mengistu’s repressive rule.

President Siad Barre saw an opportunity for Somalia. Ethiopia’s eastern Ogaden region is populated mainly by ethnic Somalis, and Siad Barre had long claimed it. In 1977, he took advantage of the chaos in Ethiopia to invade, at first successfully. The United States, now shut out of Ethiopia, switched sides, allied with Somalia and started shipping weapons https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... 2ec3762738 to Siad Barre. It was a cynical, irresponsible move; America could have promoted negotiations instead of treating Somalis and Ethiopians as expendable pawns in its competition with the Soviets.

Let’s be clear; there would have been friction, quite possibly even war, without the outside meddling by the Soviet Union, the United States, and Cuba. But with the superpowers supplying modern weaponry, the fighting got even more deadly than it would have otherwise; the Ogaden War’s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogaden_War death toll on both sides was an estimated 15,000 to 20,000. Across Africa, people regularly point out:
There are no arms manufacturers on our continent, with the exception of South Africa. Yet Africa is awash in weapons.
Ilhan Omar was born in 1982, into a prominent family in Mogadishu, the Somali capital. Her mother died when she was 2 and she was raised by her father and grandfather. When she was a little girl, President Siad Barre’s disastrous leadership finally collapsed, and civil war broke out. She told the New Yorker recently https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-poli ... -in-office that as a child she learned to identify the sound of incoming mortar shells:
My earliest memories, any unhappy memories that I have, are deeply rooted in feeling extremely tuned in to the noise of a mortar falling — the noise that it makes as it takes off and the noise that it makes when it is landing close to you.


Ilhan Omar’s family fled when she was seven, to a refugee camp across the border in Kenya. She remembered today in a New York Times opinion article https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/opin ... Position=3 that the camp had “no formal schooling or even running water.” The family stayed there 4 years, until they were admitted to America. Today, the Dadaab refugee camp holds half a million people, and the tenacity and energy of the people who live there has been captured in a moving book,
City of Thorns, by Ben Rawlence, a British reporter who has also worked for Human Rights Watch.

Events back in Somalia made it impossible for Ilhan Omar’s family to return home. In 1993, as the civil war continued and famine spread, a botched U.S. effort at “humanitarian intervention” ended in tragedy. American (and other United Nations) troops completely misunderstood the local reality and opened fire on civilians, turning initial Somali sympathy for the relief effort into hatred. On July 12 that year, a U.S. helicopter gunship raid in Mogadishu provoked Somali anger, and enraged local people responded by killing 4 Western reporters. (One of them was an impressive young man named Dan Eldon, who I had befriended in Nairobi, Kenya some years earlier.)

The U.S. intervention culminated in the notorious Black Hawk Down raid on October 3, 1993, in which 18 American soldiers died. One estimate is that during that attack, U.S. helicopters fired 50,000 rockets, in a crowded urban setting, so the Somali death toll must have been huge.

Again, Somalia would almost certainly be in some kind of crisis today even if the U.S. and the Soviet Union had never set foot there. Climate change and repeated droughts are a challenge to the country’s largely pastoral way of life. Clan membership is a central feature of Somali life, and would probably have provoked conflict over scarce resources, especially once unscrupulous clan leaders emerged. But foreign interference, especially but not only the weapons transfers, https://www.csmonitor.com/1992/1014/14012.html surely made a bad situation worse.

What’s also clear is that Ilhan Omar, more than any other member of the U.S. Congress, knows first-hand what it’s like to try to survive in a lawless world that crushes human rights. As she wrote in her New York Times opinion piece:
It was in the diverse community of Minneapolis — the very community that welcomed me home with open arms after Mr. Trump’s attacks on me last week — where I learned the true value of democracy. I started attending political caucuses with my grandfather, who cherished democracy as only someone who has experienced its absence could. I soon recognized that the only way to ensure that everyone in my community had a voice was by participating in a democratic process.
Kelte mengisti alo Zmeselo,hade nai seitan eti hade neai goytanan medhaninan Jesus Kristos,I am only sorry that you don't know Jesus at this age.
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Re: Foreign interference, including by the U.S., helped drive a million Somalis into exile — including Ilhan Omar

Post by Zmeselo » 27 Jul 2019, 07:27



Trump threatens to investigate Obama: 'Let's subpoena all of his records'

He thinks the Democrats 'want to go fishing'

Lily Puckett New York @lilypuckett

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 1.html?amp

(Video imbedded)

2 hours ago

Donald Trump https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/tru ... nistration has threatened to investigate Barack Obama https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/BarackObama
the way they’ve looked into me.
In statements given in the Oval Office, the president said the Democrats “want to investigate, they want to go fishing”, and suggested the attention given to his ties to Russia and possible obstruction of justice, could apply to other presidents.
We want to find out what happened with the last democrat president. Let’s look into Obama the way they’ve looked at me from day one,
Mr Trump told reporters.
They’ve looked into everything we’ve done. They could look into the book deal that president Obama made. Let’s subpoena all of his records.
The president went to return to one of his common themes, Hillary Clinton. https://www.independent.co.uk/topic/HillaryClinton
Let’s subpoena all of the records having to do with Hillary Clinton, and all of the nonsense that went on with Clinton and with her foundation and everything else,
he said.
We could do that all day long.

How the left and right handled the Mueller hearing
While the Clinton Foundation has been the subject of much discussion on both sides of the political spectrum, it is unclear what Mr Trump is talking about with regards to Mr Obama’s book deal.

The former president did break records with a highly lucrative book deal in 2017, but a deal itself is not uncommon. In fact, nearly every president in the modern era has released a memoir leaving office, for which they have been paid.

Mr Trump also continued to repeat the lie that Robert Mueller’s report cleared him of all wrongdoing, saying “the document says ‘no collusion’,” which it does not.

In the wake of Mr Mueller’s congressional hearings on Wednesday, the Trump administration and its supporters have latched onto the public opinion, largely curated by specific voices in both traditional and social media, that nothing new or explosive came out of the hearings. In fact, Mr Mueller stated that his report did not absolve the president, and outrightly warned of Russian interference in upcoming elections.

But the president, who Russia was found explicitly to favour in the report, is still mostly maintaining that investigating him at all is an inexcusable affront.
Frankly, the Republicans were gentlemen. And women,
he told reporters.
When we had the majority in the house, they didn’t do subpoenas all day long, what these people have done. What they’re doing is a disgrace.
Regardless, House Democrats announced on Friday that they were veering closer and closer to impeachment proceedings, with at least 100 members in favour of doing so.

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Re: Foreign interference, including by the U.S., helped drive a million Somalis into exile — including Ilhan Omar

Post by Deqi-Arawit » 27 Jul 2019, 07:30

Zmeselo wrote:
27 Jul 2019, 06:38


Foreign interference, including by the U.S., helped drive a million Somalis into exile — including Ilhan Omar

James North

https://mondoweiss.net/2019/07/foreign- ... uding/amp/

21 hours ago


Rep. Ilhan Omar. (Photo: Saul Loeb/AFP/Getty Images)

Somalia, where the remarkable Congresswoman Ilhan Omar was born, has over the past few decades generated one of the highest number of refugees in the entire world; 1.5 million people are internally displaced, and another nearly one million have fled the country entirely. Somali warlords have a great deal of responsibility for this gigantic tragedy. But outside forces, including the United States government, should also share some of the blame.

Let’s start in the mid-1970s. Somalia was still unified, ruled by General Mohamed Siad Barre, who had seized power in a coup in 1969. Neighboring Ethiopia was dominated by the elderly feudal emperor Haile Selassie. On the Cold War chessboard, Somalia was allied with the Soviet Union, while Ethiopia was still under U.S. influence. In 1974, Ethiopian “revolutionaries” overthrew the emperor, and plunged the country into nearly 2 decades of murderous chaos. The new Ethiopian dictator, Colonel Mengistu Haile Mariam, broke with the U.S. and allied with the Soviet Union, and to Cuba’s discredit Fidel Castro sent troops to sustain Mengistu’s repressive rule.

President Siad Barre saw an opportunity for Somalia. Ethiopia’s eastern Ogaden region is populated mainly by ethnic Somalis, and Siad Barre had long claimed it. In 1977, he took advantage of the chaos in Ethiopia to invade, at first successfully. The United States, now shut out of Ethiopia, switched sides, allied with Somalia and started shipping weapons https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... 2ec3762738 to Siad Barre. It was a cynical, irresponsible move; America could have promoted negotiations instead of treating Somalis and Ethiopians as expendable pawns in its competition with the Soviets.

Let’s be clear; there would have been friction, quite possibly even war, without the outside meddling by the Soviet Union, the United States, and Cuba. But with the superpowers supplying modern weaponry, the fighting got even more deadly than it would have otherwise; the Ogaden War’s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogaden_War death toll on both sides was an estimated 15,000 to 20,000. Across Africa, people regularly point out:
There are no arms manufacturers on our continent, with the exception of South Africa. Yet Africa is awash in weapons.
Ilhan Omar was born in 1982, into a prominent family in Mogadishu, the Somali capital. Her mother died when she was 2 and she was raised by her father and grandfather. When she was a little girl, President Siad Barre’s disastrous leadership finally collapsed, and civil war broke out. She told the New Yorker recently https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-poli ... -in-office that as a child she learned to identify the sound of incoming mortar shells:
My earliest memories, any unhappy memories that I have, are deeply rooted in feeling extremely tuned in to the noise of a mortar falling — the noise that it makes as it takes off and the noise that it makes when it is landing close to you.


Ilhan Omar’s family fled when she was seven, to a refugee camp across the border in Kenya. She remembered today in a New York Times opinion article https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/opin ... Position=3 that the camp had “no formal schooling or even running water.” The family stayed there 4 years, until they were admitted to America. Today, the Dadaab refugee camp holds half a million people, and the tenacity and energy of the people who live there has been captured in a moving book,
City of Thorns, by Ben Rawlence, a British reporter who has also worked for Human Rights Watch.

Events back in Somalia made it impossible for Ilhan Omar’s family to return home. In 1993, as the civil war continued and famine spread, a botched U.S. effort at “humanitarian intervention” ended in tragedy. American (and other United Nations) troops completely misunderstood the local reality and opened fire on civilians, turning initial Somali sympathy for the relief effort into hatred. On July 12 that year, a U.S. helicopter gunship raid in Mogadishu provoked Somali anger, and enraged local people responded by killing 4 Western reporters. (One of them was an impressive young man named Dan Eldon, who I had befriended in Nairobi, Kenya some years earlier.)

The U.S. intervention culminated in the notorious Black Hawk Down raid on October 3, 1993, in which 18 American soldiers died. One estimate is that during that attack, U.S. helicopters fired 50,000 rockets, in a crowded urban setting, so the Somali death toll must have been huge.

Again, Somalia would almost certainly be in some kind of crisis today even if the U.S. and the Soviet Union had never set foot there. Climate change and repeated droughts are a challenge to the country’s largely pastoral way of life. Clan membership is a central feature of Somali life, and would probably have provoked conflict over scarce resources, especially once unscrupulous clan leaders emerged. But foreign interference, especially but not only the weapons transfers, https://www.csmonitor.com/1992/1014/14012.html surely made a bad situation worse.

What’s also clear is that Ilhan Omar, more than any other member of the U.S. Congress, knows first-hand what it’s like to try to survive in a lawless world that crushes human rights. As she wrote in her New York Times opinion piece:
It was in the diverse community of Minneapolis — the very community that welcomed me home with open arms after Mr. Trump’s attacks on me last week — where I learned the true value of democracy. I started attending political caucuses with my grandfather, who cherished democracy as only someone who has experienced its absence could. I soon recognized that the only way to ensure that everyone in my community had a voice was by participating in a democratic process.
The typical negro mentality, always blame the White men for their failure and shortcoming. And unless some one steps up and take responsibility for our action, we are going to stay below Every one including animals.

Somalis Unlike any african country is a [deleted] country with one religion, in fact the only black country which is capable of creating nation state just like norway, sweden or japan. But unfortunatly, the Wuryaa are fragmented along their clan like any nomad society and the result is what we are witnessing today. Hence instead of blaming foreign interference for their current state, Somalis, eritreans, Ethiopians and Every negro nation should take responsibility for it.

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Re: Foreign interference, including by the U.S., helped drive a million Somalis into exile — including Ilhan Omar

Post by Somaliman » 27 Jul 2019, 07:37

Zmeselo wrote:
27 Jul 2019, 07:01


OPINION

Somalia's president is no ally against terrorism

By Michael Rubin

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opin ... -terrorism

July 26, 2019

When Somalia’s largely-appointed parliament and senate elected https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/ ... hi-mohamed Mohamed Abdullahi Mohamed, or Farmajo as he is better known, president, there was optimism https://www.usip.org/blog/2017/02/somal ... e=usip.gov in the West. Farmajo was young, he was a former prime minister and diplomat, and he had long lived in the United States.
This transition represents an important step forward for the country,
acting State Department spokesman Mark Toner said, https://www.state.gov/the-united-states ... l-process/ adding,
The United States looks forward to the timely formation of a new government, and to working in partnership with the President and new government to advance reconciliation, drought relief, security, and build the strong institutions to deliver good governance and development for the Somali people.
Defense Secretary Jim Mattis outlined https://dod.defense.gov/News/Transcript ... ington-dc/ U.S. security cooperation with Farmajo’s government: The U.S. committed itself “to build up the Somali capacity to defend itself” by identifying the terrorist threat, by providing equipment and training to African Union peacekeepers in Somalia, and by helping support the Somali forces themselves. On Nov. 27, 2018, U.S. Marine Gen. Thomas D. Waldhauser, commander of U.S. Africa Command, visited Somalia and met with Farmajo. He declared, https://www.africom.mil/media-room/arti ... ts-somalia
I’m proud of the strong relationship we have established with President Farmaajo and his government. President Farmaajo and his administration have made measurable progress and it’s clear they are dedicated to reaching the goal of a safe, stable and prosperous Somalia.
Alas, it seems the State Department, successive U.S. defense secretaries, and Waldhauser were all had. While the United States continues to pour money into Somalia, the world’s most corrupt country https://allafrica.com/stories/201901290835.html according to Transparency International, and while the U.S. embassy in Somalia continues to double down on the Farmajo experiment, Farmajo increasingly not only turns his back on reform https://wardheernews.com/time-is-runnin ... o-succeed/ but also apologizes for, if not endorses, terrorism.

Here’s the problem. The tremendous corruption Somalia faces and which Farmajo has not countered has undercut Somalia’s security. Earlier this week, a suicide bombing https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/07/ ... 50447.html in the Mogadishu mayor’s office killed 11 and barely missed James Swan, an American citizen and the United Nation’s special representative to the country. Such attacks have become a near weekly occurrence.

It is against this backdrop that Farmajo was caught on tape:
Al-Shabab has foreigners with them who refused to harm their own countries and came here to explode our country. But ours [Somali members of al-Shabab] are fools because they do not go to the countries where these foreign elements came from to explode. That exchange would have been fine, but they agreed to harm our own country only.
In other words, Farmajo is urging Somali extremists to attack in Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda, and other neighboring countries.

(Zmeselo's opinion: Eventhough I generally don't agree with Farmajo's statement, yet, Michael Rubin is putting words in the President's mouth here. There're no Ethiopian, Kenyan or Uganda members of Al- shabaab. So he cannot have meant, those countries. He must've meant North African, Middle Eastern or countries like Pakistan & Afghanistan. Those are the places, al- shabaab foreigners hail from.)

Such rhetoric is dangerous, given how al-Shabab has, in the past, done just that. For example, the 2013 Westgate Mall attackers https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/ ... acks-kenya in Nairobi, Kenya, killed 67 including British citizens, Canadians, Frenchmen, Indians, Dutch, and Koreans. The next year, al-Shabab terrorists hijacked a bus in Kenya and executed https://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2 ... 96802.html more than two dozen non-Muslims on board. In April 2015, al-Shabab terrorists killed 148 https://www.voanews.com/africa/sentenci ... -survivors at Garissa University College in Kenya. Early this year, al-Shabab terrorists attacked the upscale Dusit hotel in Nairobi and targeted foreigners. Al-Shabab has launched other attacks in Uganda, https://web.archive.org/web/20100718085 ... 4&item=922 targeting crowds of soccer fans.

Farmajo’s strategy is not only amoral, but it is also stupid, for he essentially seeks to replicate the policies earlier embraced by Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, and Turkey, each of which believed they could strike a devil’s bargain with extremists to limit their attacks outside their home countries only to discover they were not immune from blowback.

What is to be done? Like a gambler who believes that he can recoup his losses with just one more hand, Ambassador Donald Yamamoto and the State Department continue to double down on a strategy seeking to rebuild Somalia from the center. Across administrations, they have come to believe that the path to peace in the Horn of Africa comes from rebuilding the Somali government in Mogadishu and helping it expand its reach from the center outward

Given both the failed U.S. faith in Farmajo and the ineffectiveness, if not corruption, https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/red- ... washington of Somali Prime Minister Hassan Ali Khaire who apparently has spent his tenure maneuvering to replace Farmajo, it is time for the State and Defense Departments to consider a periphery-first strategy: consolidating security, stability, and good governance in Djibouti, Ethiopia, Somaliland, and Kenya and then partnering with local leaders who live among their own people. At present, U.S. assistance and Western investment has transformed appointed Somali bureaucrats into millionaires several times. They can skim off the top or use their inside knowledge to win business, all the while living behind high compound walls, sending their families abroad, and generally proving themselves afraid or unable to interact freely and openly with the people they claim to represent. Meanwhile, high non-governmental organization salaries distort the local economy.

It would be a far better use of assistance to invest only in regions of Somalia where local authorities live among their own people and represent them in reality rather than just on a diplomatic flowchart. Simply put, there can be no peace in Somalia until Somalis decide they want it and clan leaders demand it from their own publics.

A decade of throwing money at the problem is only making matters worse.

Farmajo’s statement suggesting al-Shabab attack Somalia’s neighbors more than Somalia underscores the failure. The U.S. Mission in Somalia can put out press releases https://so.usmission.gov/news-events/ announcing programs https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-somalia/ and talk about investing in capacity or good governance, https://so.usmission.gov/statement-by-a ... o-somalia/ but any reasonable metric suggests such investment has been wasted if not counterproductive. It’s time for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee to exercise its oversight and for Secretary of State Mike Pompeo to launch a fundamental review of Horn of Africa strategy so as not to preside over a slow motion train wreck.

Michael Rubin (@Mrubin1971) is a contributor to the Washington Examiner's Beltway Confidential blog. He is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and a former Pentagon official.

No unbiased Somali in their right mind, including myself, is currently happy about the uselessness and incompetence of Farmajo. Nonetheless, Michael Rubin is nothing but a mercenary with a pen - and his scribbles do not have any influential role or impact whatsoever. You pay him and he'll do the talking for you and say anything you like. This loser is currently on the payroll of the brainless administration of the mindless enclave in the North Western Somalia, known as Somaliland.

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Re: Foreign interference, including by the U.S., helped drive a million Somalis into exile — including Ilhan Omar

Post by Zmeselo » 27 Jul 2019, 08:02

The article is not written by a: 'negro'. Plus, it says this too
Somali warlords have a great deal of responsibility for this gigantic tragedy. But outside forces, including the United States government, should also share some of the blame.
Deqi-Arawit wrote:
27 Jul 2019, 07:30
Zmeselo wrote:
27 Jul 2019, 06:38


Foreign interference, including by the U.S., helped drive a million Somalis into exile — including Ilhan Omar

James North

https://mondoweiss.net/2019/07/foreign- ... uding/amp/

21 hours ago


Rep. Ilhan Omar. (Photo: Saul Loeb/AFP/Getty Images)

Somalia, where the remarkable Congresswoman Ilhan Omar was born, has over the past few decades generated one of the highest number of refugees in the entire world; 1.5 million people are internally displaced, and another nearly one million have fled the country entirely. Somali warlords have a great deal of responsibility for this gigantic tragedy. But outside forces, including the United States government, should also share some of the blame.

Let’s start in the mid-1970s. Somalia was still unified, ruled by General Mohamed Siad Barre, who had seized power in a coup in 1969. Neighboring Ethiopia was dominated by the elderly feudal emperor Haile Selassie. On the Cold War chessboard, Somalia was allied with the Soviet Union, while Ethiopia was still under U.S. influence. In 1974, Ethiopian “revolutionaries” overthrew the emperor, and plunged the country into nearly 2 decades of murderous chaos. The new Ethiopian dictator, Colonel Mengistu Haile Mariam, broke with the U.S. and allied with the Soviet Union, and to Cuba’s discredit Fidel Castro sent troops to sustain Mengistu’s repressive rule.

President Siad Barre saw an opportunity for Somalia. Ethiopia’s eastern Ogaden region is populated mainly by ethnic Somalis, and Siad Barre had long claimed it. In 1977, he took advantage of the chaos in Ethiopia to invade, at first successfully. The United States, now shut out of Ethiopia, switched sides, allied with Somalia and started shipping weapons https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/ ... 2ec3762738 to Siad Barre. It was a cynical, irresponsible move; America could have promoted negotiations instead of treating Somalis and Ethiopians as expendable pawns in its competition with the Soviets.

Let’s be clear; there would have been friction, quite possibly even war, without the outside meddling by the Soviet Union, the United States, and Cuba. But with the superpowers supplying modern weaponry, the fighting got even more deadly than it would have otherwise; the Ogaden War’s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogaden_War death toll on both sides was an estimated 15,000 to 20,000. Across Africa, people regularly point out:
There are no arms manufacturers on our continent, with the exception of South Africa. Yet Africa is awash in weapons.
Ilhan Omar was born in 1982, into a prominent family in Mogadishu, the Somali capital. Her mother died when she was 2 and she was raised by her father and grandfather. When she was a little girl, President Siad Barre’s disastrous leadership finally collapsed, and civil war broke out. She told the New Yorker recently https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-poli ... -in-office that as a child she learned to identify the sound of incoming mortar shells:
My earliest memories, any unhappy memories that I have, are deeply rooted in feeling extremely tuned in to the noise of a mortar falling — the noise that it makes as it takes off and the noise that it makes when it is landing close to you.


Ilhan Omar’s family fled when she was seven, to a refugee camp across the border in Kenya. She remembered today in a New York Times opinion article https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/25/opin ... Position=3 that the camp had “no formal schooling or even running water.” The family stayed there 4 years, until they were admitted to America. Today, the Dadaab refugee camp holds half a million people, and the tenacity and energy of the people who live there has been captured in a moving book,
City of Thorns, by Ben Rawlence, a British reporter who has also worked for Human Rights Watch.

Events back in Somalia made it impossible for Ilhan Omar’s family to return home. In 1993, as the civil war continued and famine spread, a botched U.S. effort at “humanitarian intervention” ended in tragedy. American (and other United Nations) troops completely misunderstood the local reality and opened fire on civilians, turning initial Somali sympathy for the relief effort into hatred. On July 12 that year, a U.S. helicopter gunship raid in Mogadishu provoked Somali anger, and enraged local people responded by killing 4 Western reporters. (One of them was an impressive young man named Dan Eldon, who I had befriended in Nairobi, Kenya some years earlier.)

The U.S. intervention culminated in the notorious Black Hawk Down raid on October 3, 1993, in which 18 American soldiers died. One estimate is that during that attack, U.S. helicopters fired 50,000 rockets, in a crowded urban setting, so the Somali death toll must have been huge.

Again, Somalia would almost certainly be in some kind of crisis today even if the U.S. and the Soviet Union had never set foot there. Climate change and repeated droughts are a challenge to the country’s largely pastoral way of life. Clan membership is a central feature of Somali life, and would probably have provoked conflict over scarce resources, especially once unscrupulous clan leaders emerged. But foreign interference, especially but not only the weapons transfers, https://www.csmonitor.com/1992/1014/14012.html surely made a bad situation worse.

What’s also clear is that Ilhan Omar, more than any other member of the U.S. Congress, knows first-hand what it’s like to try to survive in a lawless world that crushes human rights. As she wrote in her New York Times opinion piece:
It was in the diverse community of Minneapolis — the very community that welcomed me home with open arms after Mr. Trump’s attacks on me last week — where I learned the true value of democracy. I started attending political caucuses with my grandfather, who cherished democracy as only someone who has experienced its absence could. I soon recognized that the only way to ensure that everyone in my community had a voice was by participating in a democratic process.
The typical negro mentality, always blame the White men for their failure and shortcoming. And unless some one steps up and take responsibility for our action, we are going to stay below Every one including animals.

Somalis Unlike any african country is a [deleted] country with one religion, in fact the only black country which is capable of creating nation state just like norway, sweden or japan. But unfortunatly, the Wuryaa are fragmented along their clan like any nomad society and the result is what we are witnessing today. Hence instead of blaming foreign interference for their current state, Somalis, eritreans, Ethiopians and Every negro nation should take responsibility for it.

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Re: Foreign interference, including by the U.S., helped drive a million Somalis into exile — including Ilhan Omar

Post by Somaliman » 27 Jul 2019, 12:42

This donkey who is calling us negros while demeaning and mortifying negro mentality is a typical house nigge.r who would do ANYTHING & EVERYTHING for the white man to try to assimilate him into the white man's skin! That will NEVER happen, sheep! You should read the experiences of Malcolm X who happened to have been there before you, to help you stop indulging in sucking up to white man in vain! Just a thought!

By-the-way, nobody has ever said that Somalia and other numerous countries in a similar situation do not have any cardinal responsibilities to shoulder vis-a-vis their chaos and underdevelopment!

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Re: Foreign interference, including by the U.S., helped drive a million Somalis into exile — including Ilhan Omar

Post by AbyssiniaLady » 28 Jul 2019, 10:04

Western countries played big role during the chaotic Somali civil war in 1990, they financed and armed low IQ warlords so that European fishing companies could easily plunder Somalia richest fishing grounds, but anyway, today the clever white men are feeding thousands displaced Somalis in refugee camp in Kenya with the so called aid money with their left hand while plundering Somali ocean with their right hand.

Even now, Swedish and other European armed forces keep harassing Somali fishermen and coastal villagers.



Operation Atalanta Warships Aligned off the Coast of Somalia.


Boarding team returns to FS Floréal after a friendly approach in front of Somali coast. (they call friendly approach)



The helicopter of HSwMS Carlskrona watches as the boarding team approaches a skiff. The helicopter is always on hand to provide backup to the team if needed.



Stalking fisherman

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