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the agaws

Posted: 11 Jul 2019, 17:48
by Sadacha Macca
''The Agaw languages of Ethiopia today represent the considerably reduced remains of a branch of Cushitic which was probably once spoken over a wider area of north and central highland Ethiopia.
The modern representatives of Agaw, or central cushitic as it has also been called, can be divided into four main geographical groupings: Bilin, spoken in western eritrea, in the region of keren; xamir and xamta, spoken in wag and lasta; kemant with quara; spoken in southern begemdir, to the north and west of gondar; southern agaw or awngi, spoken in agawmidir, with an apparently related dialect, kunfal, spoken in the lowlands to the west of lake tana.

[Current Progress in Afro-Asiatic Linguistics: Papers of the Third International Hamito-Semitic Congress, London, 1978 (Current Issues in Linguistic Theory) Hardcover – January 1, 1984
by James Bynon (Editor), page 33]

Re: the agaws

Posted: 11 Jul 2019, 17:54
by Sadacha Macca
''Long contact with Ethiopian Semitic, principally the prestige languages of Abyssinian culture, first Ge'ez and then Amharic and Tigrinya, has had a considerable effect on all the Agaw languages, individually and collectively. All the Agaw languages contain a sizeable body of lexical material which has cognates in Ethiopian Semitic.
Many such items are ostensibly loans from the latter, probably mostly of comparatively recent date.
This is suggested by the small degree of adaptation to the sound systems of the recipient languages, or, for example, in the case of Kemant, by the presence of phonemes not found in items of Agaw origin, i.e. the glottalized consonants t', k', etc.''

Re: the agaws

Posted: 11 Jul 2019, 17:56
by TembienLiberation
Agame Mencha, Agaw bilesh metash demo.....follow your boss in Mekelle...they call it Agew and Qomant
If Agame come back to the Amhara region to create non existing ethnics with the help of looted money, we will cut your hands
:mrgreen:

Re: the agaws

Posted: 11 Jul 2019, 18:07
by Axumawi
Sadacha,

Please do some more reading and start from Agew sites and pages.
Qimanti is actually the one who resisted the most. They were the high priests class at Axum. The Qimanti are also the last once to move their center.
Wag were the first once to mix and adapt Christianity.

In any case these tourists, explorers, missioneries write what they were told by their host family, warlord, Debtera, Aba Gededa...etc
Take it with some grain of salt.

Re: the agaws

Posted: 11 Jul 2019, 18:14
by Sadacha Macca
TembienLiberation wrote:
11 Jul 2019, 17:56
Agame Mencha, Agaw bilesh metash demo.....follow your boss in Mekelle...they call it Agew and Qomant
If Agame come back to the Amhara region to create non existing ethnics with the help of looted money, we will cut your hands
:mrgreen:
agame liberation, 1st of all; stop pretending to be more amara than the amaras.
you were the one begging amaras to help agames fight oromos and get sebhat nega and abay tsehaye back into menelik's palace-do not pretend.
2nd of all, i am sharing history regarding their language, nothing to do with politics or whatever you are dreaming of.
oromo have a non-interference policy, by the way, unless it directly harms us.

Re: the agaws

Posted: 11 Jul 2019, 18:17
by TembienLiberation
Sadacha Macca wrote:
11 Jul 2019, 18:14
TembienLiberation wrote:
11 Jul 2019, 17:56
Agame Mencha, Agaw bilesh metash demo.....follow your boss in Mekelle...they call it Agew and Qomant
If Agame come back to the Amhara region to create non existing ethnics with the help of looted money, we will cut your hands
:mrgreen:
agame liberation, 1st of all; stop pretending to be more amara than the amaras.
you were the one begging amaras to help agames fight oromos and get sebhat nega and abay tsehaye back into menelik's palace-do not pretend.
2nd of all, i am sharing history regarding their language, nothing to do with politics or whatever you are dreaming of.
oromo have a non-interference policy, by the way, unless it directly harms us.
Galla

Galla

GALLA

Re: the agaws

Posted: 11 Jul 2019, 18:18
by present
The wahabi finally start attacking Amaras :lol: :lol: :lol:

Viva, we hate people who hide in their closets. Come on wahabi, is that all you got? :lol:

Re: the agaws

Posted: 11 Jul 2019, 18:28
by Sadacha Macca
I ignore the trolls who think posting history is somehow attacking anyone

''Several Oromo groups were said to have moved into Agaw Midir and Matakkal from south of the Abbay other than those already settled in various parts of Gojjam since the 16th century. According to traditions the present Agawna speakers of Balaya seem to have been originally Arsi Oromo who came and settled there, led by a certain leader called ''Guras.'' He was said to have led them by way of Gabra Gurraacha town in northern Shawa and succeeded in reaching as far as the territory of Balaya and occupied a locality known as Jaawwi named after an Oromo clan that settled there. The fact that the locality is still called by this name provides a pertinent clue to the traditions. Although it is difficult to indicate the period of the Arsi settlement in Balaya, it seems to be at the end of the 17th century, based on genealogies.''

[Inter-ethnic Relations on a Frontier: Mätakkäl (Ethiopia), 1898-1991
By Tsega Endalew
page 29]

Re: the agaws

Posted: 11 Jul 2019, 18:35
by present
Now the Amaras are going to attack olf and wahabis. They are going to expose that all habesha looking oromos are not oromos

So basically if a person looks habesha, he or she is a forcefully converted Amara, Gurage or Debub or Afar.

Plus, the whole shewa are Amaras. They look habesha. Historical evidences show they were forcfully converted to be oromo. shewa oromos would tell you their ancesstors are either Amara or Gurage.

An eye for an eye, baby

Re: the agaws

Posted: 11 Jul 2019, 18:44
by sun
present wrote:
11 Jul 2019, 18:18
The wahabi finally start attacking Amaras :lol: :lol: :lol:

Viva, we hate people who hide in their closets. Come on wahabi, is that all you got? :lol:
hmm... :P

The chameleon chest pumping red ar$$$ baboon constantly changing his identities and personalities and attacking all the good peoples left and right like mad bull. Attacking Oromos, attacking Amharas, attacking Eritreans, attacking Somalis, etc. Haloo fandiyyaw, we are all children of the same father and mother as the original good people living in the blessed nice area where the very first human species have emerged.

If you don't respect the the peoples and places constituting as origin of human species and leave there in peace and harmony go and get shot in Israel where you will be treated as a mad mountain monkey.
:lol:

Re: the agaws

Posted: 11 Jul 2019, 18:47
by Axumawi
Sadacha Macca wrote:
11 Jul 2019, 18:28
I ignore the trolls who think posting history is somehow attacking anyone

''Several Oromo groups were said to have moved into Agaw Midir and Matakkal from south of the Abbay other than those already settled in various parts of Gojjam since the 16th century. According to traditions the present Agawna speakers of Balaya seem to have been originally Arsi Oromo who came and settled there, led by a certain leader called ''Guras.'' He was said to have led them by way of Gabra Gurraacha town in northern Shawa and succeeded in reaching as far as the territory of Balaya and occupied a locality known as Jaawwi named after an Oromo clan that settled there. The fact that the locality is still called by this name provides a pertinent clue to the traditions. Although it is difficult to indicate the period of the Arsi settlement in Balaya, it seems to be at the end of the 17th century, based on genealogies.''

[Inter-ethnic Relations on a Frontier: Mätakkäl (Ethiopia), 1898-1991
By Tsega Endalew
page 29]
Sadacha,
Again this is another fiction.

The Agews came from Egypt and Sudan always stradling red sea (Many tribes)

The Oromos went from Egypt and Sudan with the white Nile to the Ugandas, Kenyas, Ruwandas, Tanzanias and Kenyas... (many tribes)

The Agews came to what is now Ethiopia before the Southern Kush like Oromo.

Some things are written in stone...no need to create fiction.

Re: the agaws

Posted: 11 Jul 2019, 18:50
by Degnet
Sadacha Macca wrote:
11 Jul 2019, 17:48
''The Agaw languages of Ethiopia today represent the considerably reduced remains of a branch of Cushitic which was probably once spoken over a wider area of north and central highland Ethiopia.
The modern representatives of Agaw, or central cushitic as it has also been called, can be divided into four main geographical groupings: Bilin, spoken in western eritrea, in the region of keren; xamir and xamta, spoken in wag and lasta; kemant with quara; spoken in southern begemdir, to the north and west of gondar; southern agaw or awngi, spoken in agawmidir, with an apparently related dialect, kunfal, spoken in the lowlands to the west of lake tana.

[Current Progress in Afro-Asiatic Linguistics: Papers of the Third International Hamito-Semitic Congress, London, 1978 (Current Issues in Linguistic Theory) Hardcover – January 1, 1984
by James Bynon (Editor), page 33]
We are Ethiopian and Orthodox.All we need is to understand our religion and love people.

Re: the agaws

Posted: 11 Jul 2019, 19:25
by Sadacha Macca
''Similarly, another chief, Amuru, led the Oromo into Azana, Zigam, and Sigadi localities of Agaw Midir. Gradually they were assimilated into the Agaw, but most of them still recall that they were Oromo from south of the Abbay.
A church near Sigadi is still called ''Arusi Mikael'' after the ''Arusi'' clan that settled there. This tradition corresponds with the account of the chronicle regarding Oromo settlement in Matakkal during the reign of Emperor Susenyos.
In the 3rd year of his reign, Empero Susenyos was said to have fought the Oromos who were already at Zigam and the Durra River region. This shows us that the Oromo were already settled in this part of Matakkal as early as the beginning of the 17th century. Traditionally the Durra river basin was the stronghold of the Gumuz who continued to put up stiff resistance against the Christian rulers and their representatives. The Oromo might have joined them in defence of this region which gradually helped them to occupy its highland areas. Today, however, they are Agawna speakers.''

Re: the agaws

Posted: 11 Jul 2019, 23:28
by Abdelaziz
I will try not to use strongly worded phrases or bad terms,but I really want to know why you think your Oromo brothers like Tolcha& Ethwar,Somalis like Hawdian and Jack, Amharas like tembenliberation and present, etc, are Tigreans when you can easily verify they are totally non-Tigreans and some are actually the enemies of Tigray? Why do not you ask the more experienced Oromos like Masud and Tolcha to tell you who is likely Tigrean, ar'teran, Amara, or Oromo? Initially, I used to think you were joking or using it as a tactic of dissing your opponents much like what arterans do, but I'm noticing that you are somewhat naively convinced that those people mentioned above and others are Tigreans. I swear to God,You are absolutely wrong. I'm Tigrean(with hefty Shewan origin), but the others you mentioned with me above are not only non-Tigreans but most of them are anti-Tigray.
Medo,
Tigreans do not like traitors like Meshrefet (Oromifaa speaking Gonderam), but they really support real Oromos in everything they would like to achieve, if Oromos trust Meshrefet then he will be accepted by Tigreans, but most Oromos so far have nothing to do with his weird neftegna type thinkings. THat is all for now.

Re: the agaws

Posted: 11 Jul 2019, 23:49
by Misraq
illman oromo young sadaccha mencha,

So if you believe in population movements in early days of the nations history, that ideology by itself will make you a unionist. this narrative is almost similar to the scholars narrative where population movements in ethiopia was rampant and "you can't really identify peoples race by the language they speak now"

An example to this is that there is no way one can relate Doctor Beyan Asoba (probably mogassa of janjaro), Bekele Gerba (surely a mogassa of Damot) Jawar Mohammad (a mogassa of hadiya/dawaro), Birhanu Lengiso (A mogassa of shoa amhara)....etc All the people i mention above are different in face, color, structure, hair texture, height....etc. They were once other peopple but oromized now.

do you agree on that?

jimmy

Re: the agaws

Posted: 12 Jul 2019, 01:01
by Sadacha Macca
Misraq wrote:
11 Jul 2019, 23:49
illman oromo young sadaccha mencha,

So if you believe in population movements in early days of the nations history, that ideology by itself will make you a unionist. this narrative is almost similar to the scholars narrative where population movements in ethiopia was rampant and "you can't really identify peoples race by the language they speak now"

An example to this is that there is no way one can relate Doctor Beyan Asoba (probably mogassa of janjaro), Bekele Gerba (surely a mogassa of Damot) Jawar Mohammad (a mogassa of hadiya/dawaro), Birhanu Lengiso (A mogassa of shoa amhara)....etc All the people i mention above are different in face, color, structure, hair texture, height....etc. They were once other peopple but oromized now.

do you agree on that?

jimmy
Sadacha Macca Qawwee not mencha.

I am an unionist by far just federalist unionist.
I don't believe in secession for any kilil in Ethiopia including our somali brothers and sisters.


You'd be surprised at my family for example.
They're mostly Oromo nationalists, some fought the Derg in war as members of Oromo Liberation Army or Warrana Bilisummaa Oromo but They still believe in an united Ethiopia.
We just want Oromos to be the centre of power to be honest because our numbers, resources, history of defending ethiopia, gives us an immense responsibility and power too.
We've assimilated others and have been assimilated by others too. To me, it's a natural part of human history. If i were in a room of gurages oromos Tigrayans even, amaras etc, i would probably not be able to tell who's what.

Re: the agaws

Posted: 12 Jul 2019, 01:20
by Sadacha Macca
Abdelaziz wrote:
11 Jul 2019, 23:28
I will try not to use strongly worded phrases or bad terms,but I really want to know why you think your Oromo brothers like Tolcha& Ethwar,Somalis like Hawdian and Jack, Amharas like tembenliberation and present, etc, are Tigreans when you can easily verify they are totally non-Tigreans and some are actually the enemies of Tigray? Why do not you ask the more experienced Oromos like Masud and Tolcha to tell you who is likely Tigrean, ar'teran, Amara, or Oromo? Initially, I used to think you were joking or using it as a tactic of dissing your opponents much like what arterans do, but I'm noticing that you are somewhat naively convinced that those people mentioned above and others are Tigreans. I swear to God,You are absolutely wrong. I'm Tigrean(with hefty Shewan origin), but the others you mentioned with me above are not only non-Tigreans but most of them are anti-Tigray.
Medo,
Tigreans do not like traitors like Meshrefet (Oromifaa speaking Gonderam), but they really support real Oromos in everything they would like to achieve, if Oromos trust Meshrefet then he will be accepted by Tigreans, but most Oromos so far have nothing to do with his weird neftegna type thinkings. THat is all for now.

Having a civilized discussion even when disagreeing is rare among us Ethiopians, so I applaud you for that. I wish we could do this more often.

I will not address the ethnicity question of certain forumers. But I'll say this: oromos in general do not have issues with the average tegaru. Or with the average Amhara. Many still live among our people in Oromia and all is well. We see them as our classmates, neighbors, countrymen. Sometimes as humans when angry....we all say things we don't mean. That's natural. But those angry words don't always reflect what's in the hearts of people.
We freed Oromia from the brutal TPLF and ended tigrayan elitist hegemony in our lands. Our target was an unjust system that benefited the few at the cost of the many. The same way our people's struggle that helped overthrow haile selassie targeted his unjust system and not shawan amhara who were even poorer than many oromo.
Now oromos are at a stage where they're so politically conscious that a non oromo can NEVER rule us again. Lamma magarsa said it himself.
As far as neftegnas go.. They do NOT represent amaras. They are a small group of power hungry individuals who believe in one language one culture one religion, which can never work.
Abiy himself knows federalism is here to stay and any attempts to dismantle it means civil war. So we're not worried.

Re: the agaws

Posted: 16 Jul 2019, 16:43
by Sadacha Macca
''I have already expressed the opinion that the Agau nation are the representatives of the original inhabitants of Abyssinia, who have in part been dispossessed by the Amharas breaking through them from the south.
The Hhamara of Waag and the Aghagha of Agaumider have maintained their nationality in their not easily accessible countries, whilst the Falashas and other low-castes scattered over the provinces lying between the other two, are the remains of the ancient inhabitants of Agau race, the physical character of whose country has not afforded them the same means of resistance. To this should be added, that towards the north, namely in Tigray, they had, at an earlier date been in like manner displaced by the Axumites or Agazi (the Ge'ez speaking race), whose language plainly shows them to have crossed from the opposite shores of the Red Sea since the time of the occupation of Arabia by the progenitors of its actual inhabitants.
The tradition among the Agaws is, that they themselves, at a yet more remote period, crossed the Red Sea into Africa, the western tribes of Agaumider subsequently branching off from those in Lasta, and dispossessing the Shankalas, who then inhabited Agaumider, but who have since been forced to confine themselves to the valley of the Blue River.''

[Proceedings of the Philological Society, Volume 2, PAGE 91]

Re: the agaws

Posted: 16 Jul 2019, 16:50
by AbebeB
Sadacha Macca wrote:
11 Jul 2019, 17:48
''The Agaw languages of Ethiopia today represent the considerably reduced remains of a branch of Cushitic which was probably once spoken over a wider area of north and central highland Ethiopia.
The modern representatives of Agaw, or central cushitic as it has also been called, can be divided into four main geographical groupings: Bilin, spoken in western eritrea, in the region of keren; xamir and xamta, spoken in wag and lasta; kemant with quara; spoken in southern begemdir, to the north and west of gondar; southern agaw or awngi, spoken in agawmidir, with an apparently related dialect, kunfal, spoken in the lowlands to the west of lake tana.

[Current Progress in Afro-Asiatic Linguistics: Papers of the Third International Hamito-Semitic Congress, London, 1978 (Current Issues in Linguistic Theory) Hardcover – January 1, 1984
by James Bynon (Editor), page 33]
Sadacha Maca,
Great thought. We Oromos must prove that we are elegant by presenting fact of not only Oromo nation but also that of all other oppressed nations, too.