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TPLF should be disbanded and declared illegal - the leaders are non-Tigrayans!

Post by Democrat » 07 Jul 2019, 07:30

Meles Zenawi succeeded to replace all leaders and cadres with Eritreans.Tigrayans are pro-Amhara and pro-Ethiopia. The aim was to prevent Tigray Ethiopians from opposing the landlocking of Ethiopia.
We call Tigray Ethiopians to arrest the Eritreans in TPLF or disband TPLF in total.
A list of TPLF leaders or cadres with eritrean background;
1) Debretsion Gebremichael ( Eritrean)
2) Manjorno (Eritrean)
3) Seyoum Mesfin (Eritrean)
4) Arkebe Ouqbai(Half-cast)
5) Tsadikan Gebretensae - former chief of staff ( Half-cast)
6) Wedi -Balema ( halfcat - tigray+sputhern minorities ? gambella)
7) Berhane G/Kirtstos (Eritrean)
8) Ntseanet Asfaw (Eritrean)
9) Tewedros Hagos ( Eritrean)
10) Seyoum Mesfin ( Eritrean - was insrumental in eliminating Tgrayan Ethiopians. Asfha Hagos was falsely accused and removed by Seyoum mesfin)
11) Abay Tsehaye (Eritrean)
12) Abraham Tekeste (Eritrean)
13) Sebhat nega (Eritrean)
14) Kidsan Nega (Eritrean)
15) Samora (Mohammed) Younis - a looser moslem is not Ethiopian at all. He is a Sudanese and and an Eritrean. An ethnofascis who has killed many Ethiopian Tigrayan nationalists. He was a chief of staff in the army

The list is long. In general these persons should be removed from TPLF because of loyality conflict. An Eritrean cannot make policies for Tigray people as there are different historical facts for Tigray and Eritrea. Ethiopia is landlocked because the Eritreans in TPLF did not want Ethiopia to have Assab. I mean the Tigrayans were powerless and they were removed from TPLF and some of them were killed.

Some individuals wo were killed by Eritrean TPLF leaders
1) Teklu Hawaz from Adea
2) Dr. Atakilit from Aksum ( not related to Sebhat Nega)
3) General Hayelom ( he was shot by an Eritrean under the direct order of Meles Zenawi. General Hayelom was not against Eritreans. But he was against the support to Eritrea from Ethiopian Financial and other services, which meant he stood for Ethiopian interests whereas Meles Zenawi was giving Ethiopian resources to Eritreaans.
4) Many Tgray elites in the army were killed by Meles Zenawi and his henchmen
5) Head of The Security in the 90's (from Aksum) was shot in a meeting by a soldier called Tsehaye (probably an Eritrean spy)
6) The Eritreans in TPLF made life for hard for Ethiopian Tigrayans who left TPLF
7) Ethiopian tigrayan elites who do not support TPLF were harrassed by TPLF supporters
8) TDA was led by Eritreans. Head of TDA was an Eritrean. It is stupid to ask Tigray Ethiopians to support TDA while the leaders are Eritreans. Eri-TPLF wants Tigray Ethiopians to pay without having a say in their affairs. Those who pay should have a say.

The crimes of Eritrean TPLF leaders are numerous. They are harsh and uneducated. They boasted of controlling Ethiopia because they were controlling the millitary and security and laso the financial sector. They have created their own grave by supporting the Oromos, who they want them to go to hell.

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Re: TPLF should be disbanded and declared illegal - the leaders are non-Tigrayans!

Post by Zmeselo » 07 Jul 2019, 07:52

Ok! Do that! Kill them all! That's what we've been telling you, all these years. :roll:

We can help you by handing you a rope for each one to hang, if you wish.

Who gives a flying fück, if they're qodarat agame or happen to have Eritrean blood? They're criminals & criminals should be handled accordingly.

About Assab blah blah, the Amara & oromo are sharpening their knives to cut your throats- not to fight for you for a Tgray Republic.
Democrat wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 07:30
Meles Zenawi succeeded to replace all leaders and cadres with Eritreans.Tigrayans are pro-Amhara and pro-Ethiopia. The aim was to prevent Tigray Ethiopians from opposing the landlocking of Ethiopia.
We call Tigray Ethiopians to arrest the Eritreans in TPLF or disband TPLF in total.
A list of TPLF leaders or cadres with eritrean background;
1) Debretsion Gebremichael ( Eritrean)
2) Manjorno (Eritrean)
3) Seyoum Mesfin (Eritrean)
4) Arkebe Ouqbai(Half-cast)
5) Tsadikan Gebretensae - former chief of staff ( Half-cast)
6) Wedi -Balema ( halfcat - tigray+sputhern minorities ? gambella)
7) Berhane G/Kirtstos (Eritrean)
8) Ntseanet Asfaw (Eritrean)
9) Tewedros Hagos ( Eritrean)
10) Seyoum Mesfin ( Eritrean - was insrumental in eliminating Tgrayan Ethiopians. Asfha Hagos was falsely accused and removed by Seyoum mesfin)
11) Abay Tsehaye (Eritrean)
12) Abraham Tekeste (Eritrean)
13) Sebhat nega (Eritrean)
14) Kidsan Nega (Eritrean)
15) Samora (Mohammed) Younis - a looser moslem is not Ethiopian at all. He is a Sudanese and and an Eritrean. An ethnofascis who has killed many Ethiopian Tigrayan nationalists. He was a chief of staff in the army

The list is long. In general these persons should be removed from TPLF because of loyality conflict. An Eritrean cannot make policies for Tigray people as there are different historical facts for Tigray and Eritrea. Ethiopia is landlocked because the Eritreans in TPLF did not want Ethiopia to have Assab. I mean the Tigrayans were powerless and they were removed from TPLF and some of them were killed.

Some individuals wo were killed by Eritrean TPLF leaders
1) Teklu Hawaz from Adea
2) Dr. Atakilit from Aksum ( not related to Sebhat Nega)
3) General Hayelom ( he was shot by an Eritrean under the direct order of Meles Zenawi. General Hayelom was not against Eritreans. But he was against the support to Eritrea from Ethiopian Financial and other services, which meant he stood for Ethiopian interests whereas Meles Zenawi was giving Ethiopian resources to Eritreaans.
4) Many Tgray elites in the army were killed by Meles Zenawi and his henchmen
5) Head of The Security in the 90's (from Aksum) was shot in a meeting by a soldier called Tsehaye (probably an Eritrean spy)
6) The Eritreans in TPLF made life for hard for Ethiopian Tigrayans who left TPLF
7) Ethiopian tigrayan elites who do not support TPLF were harrassed by TPLF supporters
8) TDA was led by Eritreans. Head of TDA was an Eritrean. It is stupid to ask Tigray Ethiopians to support TDA while the leaders are Eritreans. Eri-TPLF wants Tigray Ethiopians to pay without having a say in their affairs. Those who pay should have a say.

The crimes of Eritrean TPLF leaders are numerous. They are harsh and uneducated. They boasted of controlling Ethiopia because they were controlling the millitary and security and laso the financial sector. They have created their own grave by supporting the Oromos, who they want them to go to hell.
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Re: TPLF should be disbanded and declared illegal - the leaders are non-Tigrayans!

Post by Zmeselo » 07 Jul 2019, 08:03

Look, how much land you stole from them:


Ethiopia, pre 1991


Weyane's Ethiopia

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Re: TPLF should be disbanded and declared illegal - the leaders are non-Tigrayans!

Post by Degnet » 07 Jul 2019, 08:11

Democrat wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 07:30
Meles Zenawi succeeded to replace all leaders and cadres with Eritreans.Tigrayans are pro-Amhara and pro-Ethiopia. The aim was to prevent Tigray Ethiopians from opposing the landlocking of Ethiopia.
We call Tigray Ethiopians to arrest the Eritreans in TPLF or disband TPLF in total.
A list of TPLF leaders or cadres with eritrean background;
1) Debretsion Gebremichael ( Eritrean)
2) Manjorno (Eritrean)
3) Seyoum Mesfin (Eritrean)
4) Arkebe Ouqbai(Half-cast)
5) Tsadikan Gebretensae - former chief of staff ( Half-cast)
6) Wedi -Balema ( halfcat - tigray+sputhern minorities ? gambella)
7) Berhane G/Kirtstos (Eritrean)
8) Ntseanet Asfaw (Eritrean)
9) Tewedros Hagos ( Eritrean)
10) Seyoum Mesfin ( Eritrean - was insrumental in eliminating Tgrayan Ethiopians. Asfha Hagos was falsely accused and removed by Seyoum mesfin)
11) Abay Tsehaye (Eritrean)
12) Abraham Tekeste (Eritrean)
13) Sebhat nega (Eritrean)
14) Kidsan Nega (Eritrean)
15) Samora (Mohammed) Younis - a looser moslem is not Ethiopian at all. He is a Sudanese and and an Eritrean. An ethnofascis who has killed many Ethiopian Tigrayan nationalists. He was a chief of staff in the army

The list is long. In general these persons should be removed from TPLF because of loyality conflict. An Eritrean cannot make policies for Tigray people as there are different historical facts for Tigray and Eritrea. Ethiopia is landlocked because the Eritreans in TPLF did not want Ethiopia to have Assab. I mean the Tigrayans were powerless and they were removed from TPLF and some of them were killed.

Some individuals wo were killed by Eritrean TPLF leaders
1) Teklu Hawaz from Adea
2) Dr. Atakilit from Aksum ( not related to Sebhat Nega)
3) General Hayelom ( he was shot by an Eritrean under the direct order of Meles Zenawi. General Hayelom was not against Eritreans. But he was against the support to Eritrea from Ethiopian Financial and other services, which meant he stood for Ethiopian interests whereas Meles Zenawi was giving Ethiopian resources to Eritreaans.
4) Many Tgray elites in the army were killed by Meles Zenawi and his henchmen
5) Head of The Security in the 90's (from Aksum) was shot in a meeting by a soldier called Tsehaye (probably an Eritrean spy)
6) The Eritreans in TPLF made life for hard for Ethiopian Tigrayans who left TPLF
7) Ethiopian tigrayan elites who do not support TPLF were harrassed by TPLF supporters
8) TDA was led by Eritreans. Head of TDA was an Eritrean. It is stupid to ask Tigray Ethiopians to support TDA while the leaders are Eritreans. Eri-TPLF wants Tigray Ethiopians to pay without having a say in their affairs. Those who pay should have a say.

The crimes of Eritrean TPLF leaders are numerous. They are harsh and uneducated. They boasted of controlling Ethiopia because they were controlling the millitary and security and laso the financial sector. They have created their own grave by supporting the Oromos, who they want them to go to hell.
I am not against Eritreans,I am against some people,I still have Eritreans whom I respect and like,don't ever think you know more than we do,I have known Dr.Ataklti as a kid,his younger sister was my classmate,both were brilliat students.He was may be some years older than me,may be 2 years older.

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Re: TPLF should be disbanded and declared illegal - the leaders are non-Tigrayans!

Post by tarik » 07 Jul 2019, 09:23

Democrat wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 07:30
Meles Zenawi succeeded to replace all leaders and cadres with Eritreans.Tigrayans are pro-Amhara and pro-Ethiopia. The aim was to prevent Tigray Ethiopians from opposing the landlocking of Ethiopia.
We call Tigray Ethiopians to arrest the Eritreans in TPLF or disband TPLF in total.
A list of TPLF leaders or cadres with eritrean background;
1) Debretsion Gebremichael ( Eritrean)
2) Manjorno (Eritrean)
3) Seyoum Mesfin (Eritrean)
4) Arkebe Ouqbai(Half-cast)
5) Tsadikan Gebretensae - former chief of staff ( Half-cast)
6) Wedi -Balema ( halfcat - tigray+sputhern minorities ? gambella)
7) Berhane G/Kirtstos (Eritrean)
8) Ntseanet Asfaw (Eritrean)
9) Tewedros Hagos ( Eritrean)
10) Seyoum Mesfin ( Eritrean - was insrumental in eliminating Tgrayan Ethiopians. Asfha Hagos was falsely accused and removed by Seyoum mesfin)
11) Abay Tsehaye (Eritrean)
12) Abraham Tekeste (Eritrean)
13) Sebhat nega (Eritrean)
14) Kidsan Nega (Eritrean)
15) Samora (Mohammed) Younis - a looser moslem is not Ethiopian at all. He is a Sudanese and and an Eritrean. An ethnofascis who has killed many Ethiopian Tigrayan nationalists. He was a chief of staff in the army

The list is long. In general these persons should be removed from TPLF because of loyality conflict. An Eritrean cannot make policies for Tigray people as there are different historical facts for Tigray and Eritrea. Ethiopia is landlocked because the Eritreans in TPLF did not want Ethiopia to have Assab. I mean the Tigrayans were powerless and they were removed from TPLF and some of them were killed.

Some individuals wo were killed by Eritrean TPLF leaders
1) Teklu Hawaz from Adea
2) Dr. Atakilit from Aksum ( not related to Sebhat Nega)
3) General Hayelom ( he was shot by an Eritrean under the direct order of Meles Zenawi. General Hayelom was not against Eritreans. But he was against the support to Eritrea from Ethiopian Financial and other services, which meant he stood for Ethiopian interests whereas Meles Zenawi was giving Ethiopian resources to Eritreaans.
4) Many Tgray elites in the army were killed by Meles Zenawi and his henchmen
5) Head of The Security in the 90's (from Aksum) was shot in a meeting by a soldier called Tsehaye (probably an Eritrean spy)
6) The Eritreans in TPLF made life for hard for Ethiopian Tigrayans who left TPLF
7) Ethiopian tigrayan elites who do not support TPLF were harrassed by TPLF supporters
8) TDA was led by Eritreans. Head of TDA was an Eritrean. It is stupid to ask Tigray Ethiopians to support TDA while the leaders are Eritreans. Eri-TPLF wants Tigray Ethiopians to pay without having a say in their affairs. Those who pay should have a say.

The crimes of Eritrean TPLF leaders are numerous. They are harsh and uneducated. They boasted of controlling Ethiopia because they were controlling the millitary and security and laso the financial sector. They have created their own grave by supporting the Oromos, who they want them to go to hell.
Democrat aka agame dictator

Good Day Sir

Hey dummmy, if they were Eritreans, then why did they got 20,000 Eritreans killed & deported 90,000 innocent Eritrean-Ethiopians from Ethiopia and stole all of their properties and belongings???? U R NOTHING BUT A DEQORO MEHAYIM LIKE UR IDIOT UNCLE HALAFI. :oops: Go kill each other 4 all we Eritreans care.

Good Day Sir

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Re: TPLF should be disbanded and declared illegal - the leaders are non-Tigrayans!

Post by present » 07 Jul 2019, 09:56

Democrat, my brother, now we are talking!!
This is the way a real Tigrean sounds. You and I ( and all pro Ethiopians) are the sons and daughters of Atse Yohanes and Ras Alula!, our kings and leaders that we all Ethiopians LOVE to death.

Degnet is talking about feelings, I do have feelings too. You are talking about politics and reality on the ground, I know Deginet knows that too. And you are talking what is good for the future of Tigreans and how to get Tigreans out of the current mess Tplf ascaris brought them into. Deginet is talking about some Eritrean he likes personally. We all can find an individual we like from all people including from Hitler's family!

Well, like you said. Tplf leaders are not Tigreans. We need to see Tigreans leading Tigray! It's a high Time. We need to kick out Eritreans out of Tigray and control Tigray by controlling Tplf, then dismental Tplf for good. A new party led by ONLY Tigreans will need to be founded!!

The Amharas kicked out Ascari Eritrean Bereket. Time for Tigreans to kick out all Ascari Eritreans out of tplf then Tigray.

Free Tigray from ascaris





Democrat wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 07:30
Meles Zenawi succeeded to replace all leaders and cadres with Eritreans.Tigrayans are pro-Amhara and pro-Ethiopia. The aim was to prevent Tigray Ethiopians from opposing the landlocking of Ethiopia.
We call Tigray Ethiopians to arrest the Eritreans in TPLF or disband TPLF in total.
A list of TPLF leaders or cadres with eritrean background;
1) Debretsion Gebremichael ( Eritrean)
2) Manjorno (Eritrean)
3) Seyoum Mesfin (Eritrean)
4) Arkebe Ouqbai(Half-cast)
5) Tsadikan Gebretensae - former chief of staff ( Half-cast)
6) Wedi -Balema ( halfcat - tigray+sputhern minorities ? gambella)
7) Berhane G/Kirtstos (Eritrean)
8) Ntseanet Asfaw (Eritrean)
9) Tewedros Hagos ( Eritrean)
10) Seyoum Mesfin ( Eritrean - was insrumental in eliminating Tgrayan Ethiopians. Asfha Hagos was falsely accused and removed by Seyoum mesfin)
11) Abay Tsehaye (Eritrean)
12) Abraham Tekeste (Eritrean)
13) Sebhat nega (Eritrean)
14) Kidsan Nega (Eritrean)
15) Samora (Mohammed) Younis - a looser moslem is not Ethiopian at all. He is a Sudanese and and an Eritrean. An ethnofascis who has killed many Ethiopian Tigrayan nationalists. He was a chief of staff in the army

The list is long. In general these persons should be removed from TPLF because of loyality conflict. An Eritrean cannot make policies for Tigray people as there are different historical facts for Tigray and Eritrea. Ethiopia is landlocked because the Eritreans in TPLF did not want Ethiopia to have Assab. I mean the Tigrayans were powerless and they were removed from TPLF and some of them were killed.

Some individuals wo were killed by Eritrean TPLF leaders
1) Teklu Hawaz from Adea
2) Dr. Atakilit from Aksum ( not related to Sebhat Nega)
3) General Hayelom ( he was shot by an Eritrean under the direct order of Meles Zenawi. General Hayelom was not against Eritreans. But he was against the support to Eritrea from Ethiopian Financial and other services, which meant he stood for Ethiopian interests whereas Meles Zenawi was giving Ethiopian resources to Eritreaans.
4) Many Tgray elites in the army were killed by Meles Zenawi and his henchmen
5) Head of The Security in the 90's (from Aksum) was shot in a meeting by a soldier called Tsehaye (probably an Eritrean spy)
6) The Eritreans in TPLF made life for hard for Ethiopian Tigrayans who left TPLF
7) Ethiopian tigrayan elites who do not support TPLF were harrassed by TPLF supporters
8) TDA was led by Eritreans. Head of TDA was an Eritrean. It is stupid to ask Tigray Ethiopians to support TDA while the leaders are Eritreans. Eri-TPLF wants Tigray Ethiopians to pay without having a say in their affairs. Those who pay should have a say.

The crimes of Eritrean TPLF leaders are numerous. They are harsh and uneducated. They boasted of controlling Ethiopia because they were controlling the millitary and security and laso the financial sector. They have created their own grave by supporting the Oromos, who they want them to go to hell.


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Re: TPLF should be disbanded and declared illegal - the leaders are non-Tigrayans!

Post by Zmeselo » 07 Jul 2019, 10:12

Kassa M'rcha, is actually the first Ascari in Ethiopia's history. He collaborated with the British against Atse Tewodros, which lead to the king's death. He is the father of all Ascaris.
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07 Jul 2019, 10:08









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Re: TPLF should be disbanded and declared illegal - the leaders are non-Tigrayans!

Post by present » 07 Jul 2019, 10:16

Good. If you don't care about your ascari people hiding in tplf, pretending to be Tigreans, then you have nothing to worry about.

We are going to expose them and destroy tplf!!

so stay away from us if you don't really care about them. I know you do :lol:

Zmeselo wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 07:52
Ok! Do that! Kill them all! That's what we've been telling you, all these years. :roll:

We can help you by handing you a rope for each one to hang, if you wish.

Who gives a flying fück, if they're qodarat agame or happen to have Eritrean blood? They're criminals & criminals should be handled accordingly.

About Assab blah blah, the Amara & oromo are sharpening their knives to cut your throats- not to fight for you for a Tgray Republic.
Democrat wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 07:30
Meles Zenawi succeeded to replace all leaders and cadres with Eritreans.Tigrayans are pro-Amhara and pro-Ethiopia. The aim was to prevent Tigray Ethiopians from opposing the landlocking of Ethiopia.
We call Tigray Ethiopians to arrest the Eritreans in TPLF or disband TPLF in total.
A list of TPLF leaders or cadres with eritrean background;
1) Debretsion Gebremichael ( Eritrean)
2) Manjorno (Eritrean)
3) Seyoum Mesfin (Eritrean)
4) Arkebe Ouqbai(Half-cast)
5) Tsadikan Gebretensae - former chief of staff ( Half-cast)
6) Wedi -Balema ( halfcat - tigray+sputhern minorities ? gambella)
7) Berhane G/Kirtstos (Eritrean)
8) Ntseanet Asfaw (Eritrean)
9) Tewedros Hagos ( Eritrean)
10) Seyoum Mesfin ( Eritrean - was insrumental in eliminating Tgrayan Ethiopians. Asfha Hagos was falsely accused and removed by Seyoum mesfin)
11) Abay Tsehaye (Eritrean)
12) Abraham Tekeste (Eritrean)
13) Sebhat nega (Eritrean)
14) Kidsan Nega (Eritrean)
15) Samora (Mohammed) Younis - a looser moslem is not Ethiopian at all. He is a Sudanese and and an Eritrean. An ethnofascis who has killed many Ethiopian Tigrayan nationalists. He was a chief of staff in the army

The list is long. In general these persons should be removed from TPLF because of loyality conflict. An Eritrean cannot make policies for Tigray people as there are different historical facts for Tigray and Eritrea. Ethiopia is landlocked because the Eritreans in TPLF did not want Ethiopia to have Assab. I mean the Tigrayans were powerless and they were removed from TPLF and some of them were killed.

Some individuals wo were killed by Eritrean TPLF leaders
1) Teklu Hawaz from Adea
2) Dr. Atakilit from Aksum ( not related to Sebhat Nega)
3) General Hayelom ( he was shot by an Eritrean under the direct order of Meles Zenawi. General Hayelom was not against Eritreans. But he was against the support to Eritrea from Ethiopian Financial and other services, which meant he stood for Ethiopian interests whereas Meles Zenawi was giving Ethiopian resources to Eritreaans.
4) Many Tgray elites in the army were killed by Meles Zenawi and his henchmen
5) Head of The Security in the 90's (from Aksum) was shot in a meeting by a soldier called Tsehaye (probably an Eritrean spy)
6) The Eritreans in TPLF made life for hard for Ethiopian Tigrayans who left TPLF
7) Ethiopian tigrayan elites who do not support TPLF were harrassed by TPLF supporters
8) TDA was led by Eritreans. Head of TDA was an Eritrean. It is stupid to ask Tigray Ethiopians to support TDA while the leaders are Eritreans. Eri-TPLF wants Tigray Ethiopians to pay without having a say in their affairs. Those who pay should have a say.

The crimes of Eritrean TPLF leaders are numerous. They are harsh and uneducated. They boasted of controlling Ethiopia because they were controlling the millitary and security and laso the financial sector. They have created their own grave by supporting the Oromos, who they want them to go to hell.

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Re: TPLF should be disbanded and declared illegal - the leaders are non-Tigrayans!

Post by present » 07 Jul 2019, 10:20

You see? i caught you defending Ascari tplf! :lol: :lol: :lol:

They are your brothers. I know. But what we are saying is they need to be kicked out of tplf. They are not Ethiopians. Tigray needs to led by only Tigreans

And the map you showed is created by the same Ascari Eritrean hiding in Tplf :lol: :lol: :lol:

Don't blame crimes if tplf Ascari Eritrean on Tigrean people,

Tigreans and Amaras are the same people

Zmeselo wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 08:03
Look, how much land you stole from them:


Ethiopia, pre 1991


Weyane's Ethiopia

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Re: TPLF should be disbanded and declared illegal - the leaders are non-Tigrayans!

Post by Zmeselo » 07 Jul 2019, 10:28

I know thinking logically is not your forte Tigrayan boy but how is calling them thieves, defending them?

I'm reminding them of Welkait, that they stole. :roll:

Their identity, is besides the point. They're criminals and have attempted to steal Eritrean lands, also. Assab included.
present wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 10:20
You see? i caught you defending Ascari tplf! :lol: :lol: :lol:

They are your brothers. I know. But what we are saying is they need to be kicked out of tplf. They are not Ethiopians. Tigray needs to led by only Tigreans

And the map you showed is created by the same Ascari Eritrean hiding in Tplf :lol: :lol: :lol:

Don't blame crimes if tplf Ascari Eritrean on Tigrean people,

Tigreans and Amaras are the same people

Zmeselo wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 08:03
Look, how much land you stole from them:


Ethiopia, pre 1991


Weyane's Ethiopia
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Re: TPLF should be disbanded and declared illegal - the leaders are non-Tigrayans!

Post by present » 07 Jul 2019, 10:29

First of all Ascari is not a human. Ascari is salve. Ascari does not own anything of his own, not even his own wife. Ascari gets told what to do by his masters 24/7. His master abuse him all day every day!

Nice try but Yohanes is NOT a salve. :lol: :lol: :lol:

He died defending Amaras!!. You call dare to him Ascari HAHAHAHA

Tedi was LOVED by all Ethiopians but at end even Gonderes were starting to stand againest him because he was from a different era. They could not really understand his vision. Even Minilk run away from and established 100,000 soldiers but Tedi said Minilk is still his son. Tedi was visionary.

Many people in Ethiopia challenged Tedi. That is a very natural thing to do. But that conflict is among us, Ethiopians. So Yohanes was just another Ethiopian

Nice try though!


Zmeselo wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 10:12
Kassa M'rcha, is actually the first Ascari in Ethiopia's history. He collaborated with the British against Atse Tewodros, which lead to the king's death. He is the father of all Ascaris.
present wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 10:08



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Re: TPLF should be disbanded and declared illegal - the leaders are non-Tigrayans!

Post by Zmeselo » 07 Jul 2019, 10:31

Emperor Yohannes signed the treaty of Hewitt that ceded Western Eritrea and all the area near the Massawa proper to Anglo-Egyptian power in an exact format Dejach Wube was ready to hand over that same area to the French colonizers in return for the French recognizing him as preeminent chief of Highland Tigray and its environs. Not to be outdone, Emperor Menelik signed the treaty of Wuchalie with the Italians that gave away the entire Eritrean land and in effect recognizing Eritrea as an Italian colony from there into eternity.
(For the treaty of Hewitt, see Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula," page 43-48, for the treaty of Wuchalie, Chris Prouty, "Empress Taytu and Menelik II," page 60-61, For Wube and the French, see Abir, page 122)
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Re: TPLF should be disbanded and declared illegal - the leaders are non-Tigrayans!

Post by present » 07 Jul 2019, 10:32

Welkiet is not stolen by Tigrean people. It's stolen by tplf Ascari Eritreans. The people of Tigray didn't draw the map. It's tplf Ascari Eritrean who drew the map. They did that to make Amara and Tigrean enemies forever but your tplf brothers failed.

Your tplf Ascari brothers failed. Now they are exposed

The whole Amara land belongs to Tigreans. The whole Tigray land belongs to Amaras

Zmeselo wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 10:28
I know thinking logically is not your forte Tigrayan boy but how is calling them thieves, defending them?

I'm reminding them of Welkait, that they stole. :roll:
present wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 10:20
You see? i caught you defending Ascari tplf! :lol: :lol: :lol:

They are your brothers. I know. But what we are saying is they need to be kicked out of tplf. They are not Ethiopians. Tigray needs to led by only Tigreans

And the map you showed is created by the same Ascari Eritrean hiding in Tplf :lol: :lol: :lol:

Don't blame crimes if tplf Ascari Eritrean on Tigrean people,

Tigreans and Amaras are the same people

Zmeselo wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 08:03
Look, how much land you stole from them:


Ethiopia, pre 1991


Weyane's Ethiopia

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Re: TPLF should be disbanded and declared illegal - the leaders are non-Tigrayans!

Post by Zmeselo » 07 Jul 2019, 10:34

There're Tigrayan squatters there Mekeleboy, like there're in Badme and environs. You're dirty & smelly thieves, the bunch of you.
present wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 10:32
Welkiet is not stolen by Tigrean people. It's stolen by tplf Ascari Eritreans. The people of Tigray didn't draw the map. It's tplf Ascari Eritrean who drew the map. They did that to make Amara and Tigrean enemies forever but your brother failed.

Your told Ascari brother failed. Now they are exposed

The whole Amara land belongs to Tigreans. The whole Tigray land belongs to Amaras

Zmeselo wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 10:28
I know thinking logically is not your forte Tigrayan boy but how is calling them thieves, defending them?

I'm reminding them of Welkait, that they stole. :roll:
present wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 10:20
You see? i caught you defending Ascari tplf! :lol: :lol: :lol:

They are your brothers. I know. But what we are saying is they need to be kicked out of tplf. They are not Ethiopians. Tigray needs to led by only Tigreans

And the map you showed is created by the same Ascari Eritrean hiding in Tplf :lol: :lol: :lol:

Don't blame crimes if tplf Ascari Eritrean on Tigrean people,

Tigreans and Amaras are the same people

Zmeselo wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 08:03
Look, how much land you stole from them:


Ethiopia, pre 1991


Weyane's Ethiopia

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Re: TPLF should be disbanded and declared illegal - the leaders are non-Tigrayans!

Post by present » 07 Jul 2019, 10:36

Trying to tell Ethiopians that Yohanus was their enemy is pure stupidity

Ascari zemso,
Btw.... why are you working so hard telling us that the mighty Ethiopian king who died defending Amaras (then all Ethiopians) is our enemy? Why :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Ascari zemso, you tell us that our king is our enemy because you care about us so much, right? :lol: :lol:

I expose you Ascari Eritreans every single day!

I am your nightmare
Zmeselo wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 10:31
Emperor Yohannes signed the treaty of Hewitt that ceded Western Eritrea and all the area near the Massawa proper to Anglo-Egyptian power in an exact format Dejach Wube was ready to hand over that same area to the French colonizers in return for the French recognizing him as preeminent chief of Highland Tigray and its environs. Not to be outdone, Emperor Menelik signed the treaty of Wuchalie with the Italians that gave away the entire Eritrean land and in effect recognizing Eritrea as an Italian colony from there into eternity.
(For the treaty of Hewitt, see Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula," page 43-48, for the treaty of Wuchalie, Chris Prouty, "Empress Taytu and Menelik II," page 60-61, For Wube and the French, see Abir, page 122)
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Re: TPLF should be disbanded and declared illegal - the leaders are non-Tigrayans!

Post by Zmeselo » 07 Jul 2019, 10:38

Via Antonelli's courier, Menelik informed the King of Italy that he would like the Italian soldiers to occupy Asmara, in order to discourage the imperial pretensions of Mengesha Yohannes (the son of Emperor Yohannes)." "There after," added Menelik, "God will give me the throne that for many years I have had the right to have.
(See Prouty, page 61)

Tigrean Rasses had also tried their best to entice the Italians in order to advance their selfish agenda of undermining Menelik's grip in their homeland, Tigray. Here is how Ras Alula, the Hero of all Ethiopians did his bid:
You want the country to the River Mereb (meaning the whole Eritrea) to cultivate your gardens, to build your houses, to construct your churches? We can give it to you [And not to Menelik.]. Let the Italian soldiers come to Adwa, I shall come to meet them like friends.
And in trying to persuade the Italians not to make friendship with Menelik, Alula begged the Italians by saying,
And you, why do you need to look for distant friend? We are neighbors (meaning Eritrea and Tigray) and can serve each other. You went the road to be open and I want the road to be open. You should guard to the Mereb River and I will guard it to Gondar and even beyond Gondar. We must be able to go to the coast to trade in order that our country (meaning Tigray) would flourish, with the help of God, Menelik is too far to be of any use to you. Let us make friendship between us.
(See, Haggai Erlich, "Ras Alula,", page 164)

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Re: TPLF should be disbanded and declared illegal - the leaders are non-Tigrayans!

Post by Zmeselo » 07 Jul 2019, 10:43

Eritrea was further weakened after Ras Alula's honchos, with the blessing of the Ras conspired and incarcerated one of Eritrea's able Chiefs- Rasi Woldemichael Solomon of Hazega- and the aim was to be able to maintain their hold of the Eritrean highlands.

By the 1890s, even those Eritreans who dared to fight Italian colonialism- like Lij Beyene Biru of the Adi Quala area- were incarcerated by Ras Alula, all in the hope that the Italians will be happy with this act of imprisonment and in return would respond with the much needed aid, that was expected to enable Alula & Co to save their beloved Tigray, from ending up under the grip of Menelik.

At one point, Alula cleverly invited
the anti-Italian Lij Beyene for a meeting (Mr Hagai spelled it as Bayyana) and treacherously imprisoned him in the hope of getting a favor from General Baratieri who was then visiting Seraye at that time. Word got out to the castle of Ras Mengesha who was then in Mekele, and not to be outdone by Alula's contact to Baratieri, Mengesha and Ras Hagos came running to Adwa. Upon their arrival, Mengesha ordered Alula to hand over Lij Beyene to the Italians. Alula fearing that the Italians will give credit to Mengesha and not him, he refused the hand over. In response to Alula's refusal, Mengesha sent Ras Hagos with an armed escort to Alula's camp, where they took custody of the rebel and delivered him to the Italians.
(See, Haggai Erlich, pages 174 & 180)

The betrayal was not only on Lij Beyene. The Tigrean Rases also betrayed another able Eritreans chief, Bahta Hagos of Segeneyti. It is to be remembered that Bahta Hagos, tried to work hand in hand with Ras Mengesha and Menelik in his resistance against the Italians and pleaded Ras Mengesha, sending him several letters in the hope Mengesha may share a few rifles with him. The help, never came (See Roy Pateman, "Eritrea", page 51-52).

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Re: TPLF should be disbanded and declared illegal - the leaders are non-Tigrayans!

Post by Zmeselo » 07 Jul 2019, 10:50

If truth is to be told and as some of them openly admitted, although grudgingly, Eritreans disproportionately paid a heavy price in the fight against colonialism. In his book "Red Tears," the former Dergue official, Dawit Wolde Giorgis had this to say,
Eritreans were the coast guards of the mainland. The major battles that are recorded in Ethiopian history except Adwa were in Eritrea and were fought by Eritreans most of the time. The battle-fields of Debaruwa, Gundet, Gura, Kufit, Saati, Dogali, and Koatit against the Sudan, Turkey, Egyptians, and the Italians" are typical examples
(See "Red Tears," page 74)

Except the one in Debaruwa, all the others were fought within less than fifty years- between 1870 & 1889. Add to these numbers those who perished in the battle of Mettema, then It clearly shows what a heavy price it was to pay, for a population of no more than 1.5 million souls. And by the time the Italians occupied Asmara, Eritrean highlands as well as the lowlands were completely devoid of able bodied men, to have any meaningful defense against the coming Italians.

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Re: TPLF should be disbanded and declared illegal - the leaders are non-Tigrayans!

Post by present » 07 Jul 2019, 11:16

Another warrior Tigrean Ethiopian Ras Alula Engida!!

Ascari, you can hate him all day everyday. We Ethiopians love him.

Anyway Ascaris hate anything Ethiopian anyway!! :lol:

He was a selato hunter




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