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Eritrean Orators/Populist leaders of post wwll

Post by Telomerase » 13 May 2019, 15:40

This is personal observation.
Leaders that can arouse with emotionally delivered populist speech win the people's heart. For instance, Abraham Lincoln's Gettisberg Address comes as one of the best speech that aroused the people in history. What is amazing about that is, he wrote the speech himself. In Eritrean, Woldeab Woldemariam had that kind of calibur. He mastered Tigrigna literature and taught it to others. What ever you think of Dr. Bereket, he was the student of Woldeab Woldemariam. Woldeab was an excellent populist speaker. Unfortunately, he lived in a world of danger to a far distant generation. Ibrahim Sultan was a great speaker too. He did not write much for us to analyze the great mind that he had in his generation. Kebire was another greatness. Idris Awate was a man of his words. He fought the Brits all by himself when he decided to destroy Supermarine Spitfire sitting in aqordat, Eritrea. He started armed struggle with a couple of borrowed guns. No recorded populist speech exists.But, his courage is a testament the kind of bold populist leader he was. Osman Saleh Sabe was the greatest Eritrean diplomat in history. He was the engine behind military weapons acquisition to the struggle. Ibrahim Affa, Mesfin Hagos, and Petros Solomon were great military strategists and won unthinkable military victory against all odds respectively. Abraham Tewolde is another mystery who was a great leader of his time. Durue had a great mind, and he was very friendly. Sheriffo, I don't know much but he was a tough guy. Youngsters are fortunate to hear Biteeded Abraham and his populist intense patriotic speech on the net. Arefaine Abrehe is patriotic
Fearless patriotic and a straight shooter , like what every Eritreans should be. President Isayas led the struggle. There is no contraversy about that. He has a great following. He is a populist without emotionally derived speech. He is kind of cold, but you can't blame him for not arousing loyal following . Chiffra weyane speech is one example that hit its mark. It would have been great to see him seeking the presidency through democratic process, but he is a product of the Chinese revolution. He is a socialist when socialism is a thing of the past. That is just my opinion. I hope we discuss with convincing argument like civilized people that we are.
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Re: Eritrean populist leaders of post wwll

Post by Deqi-Arawit » 13 May 2019, 16:33

Telomerase wrote:
13 May 2019, 15:40
This is personal observation.
Leaders that can arouse with emotionally delivered populist speech win the people's heart. For instance, Abraham Lincoln's Gettisberg Speech comes as one of the best speech that aroused the people's in history. What is amazing about that is, he wrote the speech himself. In Eritrean, Woldeab Woldemariam had that kind of calibur. He mastered Tigrigna literature and taught it to others. What ever you think of Dr. Bereket, he was the student of Woldeab Woldemariam. Woldeab was an excellent populist speaker. Unfortunately, he lived in a world of danger to a far distant generation. Ibrahim Sultan was a great speaker too. He did not write much for us to analyze the great mind that he had in his generation. Kebire was another greatness. Idris Awate was a man of his words. He fought the Brits all by himself when he decided to destroy Supermarine Spitfire sitting in aqordat, Eritrean. He started armed struggle with a couple borrowed guns. No recorded populist speech exists.But, he courage is a testament the kind of bold populist leader he was. Osman Saleh Sabe was the greatest Eritrean diplomat in history. He was the engine behind military weapons acquisition to the struggle. Ibrahim Affa, Mesfin Hagos, and Petros Solomon were great military strategists and won unthinkable military warefare respectively. Abraham Tewolde is another mystery who was a great leader of his time. Durue had a great mind, and he was very friendly. Sheriffo, I don't know much but he was a tough guy. Youngsters are fortunate to hear Biteeded Abraham and his populist intense patriotic speech on the net. Arefaine Abrehe is patriotic
Fearless patriotic and a straight shooter , like what every Eritreans should be. President Isayas led the struggle. There is no contraversy about that. He has a great following. He is a populist without emotionally derived speech. He is kind of cold, but you can't blame him for not arousing loyal following . Chiffra weyane speech is one example that hit its mark. It would have been great to see him seeking the presidency through democratic process, but he is a product of the Chinese revolution. He is a socialist when socialism is a thing of the past. That is just my opinion. I hope we discuss with convincing argument like civilized people that we are.
Where is the Eritrean Ariel Sharom Wuchu aka wedi itay? Where is melake Tekle, where is Ras Tesemma in your list?

Btw. To claim kebire was an Eritrean nationalist is an insult to the Word nationalism. Kebire was Pakistan founder mohammed Ali jinnah's apperentice who want to establesh an islamic and arabic country in the horn. A nationalist is some one who fight for the sake of land, identity and culture. I am sure, If Ethiopia was a muslim country and haile selasie was a muslim leader, your kebire will stretch and lubricate his arse and offer it to the emperor.

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Re: Eritrean populist leaders of post wwll

Post by Telomerase » 13 May 2019, 17:36

Deqi,

You can't mention all. Personally, Abraham Tekle is one of my greatest heroes. General Vynak is another. But, there is not enough space to mention all. BTW, you are wrong on Kebire. You are a product of Shaebia's doctrine. No matter its weakness, Jebha had a lot of assets that Shaebya could have borrowed from and vice versa. You did mention Melake though.

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Post by Abe Abraham » 13 May 2019, 18:31

Deqi-Arawit wrote:
13 May 2019, 16:33
Telomerase wrote:
13 May 2019, 15:40
This is personal observation.
Leaders that can arouse with emotionally delivered populist speech win the people's heart. For instance, Abraham Lincoln's Gettisberg Speech comes as one of the best speech that aroused the people's in history. What is amazing about that is, he wrote the speech himself. In Eritrean, Woldeab Woldemariam had that kind of calibur. He mastered Tigrigna literature and taught it to others. What ever you think of Dr. Bereket, he was the student of Woldeab Woldemariam. Woldeab was an excellent populist speaker. Unfortunately, he lived in a world of danger to a far distant generation. Ibrahim Sultan was a great speaker too. He did not write much for us to analyze the great mind that he had in his generation. Kebire was another greatness. Idris Awate was a man of his words. He fought the Brits all by himself when he decided to destroy Supermarine Spitfire sitting in aqordat, Eritrean. He started armed struggle with a couple borrowed guns. No recorded populist speech exists.But, he courage is a testament the kind of bold populist leader he was. Osman Saleh Sabe was the greatest Eritrean diplomat in history. He was the engine behind military weapons acquisition to the struggle. Ibrahim Affa, Mesfin Hagos, and Petros Solomon were great military strategists and won unthinkable military warefare respectively. Abraham Tewolde is another mystery who was a great leader of his time. Durue had a great mind, and he was very friendly. Sheriffo, I don't know much but he was a tough guy. Youngsters are fortunate to hear Biteeded Abraham and his populist intense patriotic speech on the net. Arefaine Abrehe is patriotic
Fearless patriotic and a straight shooter , like what every Eritreans should be. President Isayas led the struggle. There is no contraversy about that. He has a great following. He is a populist without emotionally derived speech. He is kind of cold, but you can't blame him for not arousing loyal following . Chiffra weyane speech is one example that hit its mark. It would have been great to see him seeking the presidency through democratic process, but he is a product of the Chinese revolution. He is a socialist when socialism is a thing of the past. That is just my opinion. I hope we discuss with convincing argument like civilized people that we are.
Where is the Eritrean Ariel Sharom Wuchu aka wedi itay? Where is melake Tekle, where is Ras Tesemma in your list?

Btw. To claim kebire was an Eritrean nationalist is an insult to the Word nationalism. Kebire was Pakistan founder mohammed Ali jinnah's apperentice who want to establesh an islamic and arabic country in the horn. A nationalist is some one who fight for the sake of land, identity and culture. I am sure, If Ethiopia was a muslim country and haile selasie was a muslim leader, your kebire will stretch and lubricate his arse and offer it to the emperor.
Correct. Kebire was a dangerous criminal jihadist who got involved in the Eritrean internal private affairs and got what he deserved.

Melake Tekhle was murdered by the jihadists of jebha but no one dares to talk about him because the jajewti of jebha are still afraid of their old masters even when they are dead.

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Re: Eritrean Orators/Populist leaders of post wwll

Post by eden » 13 May 2019, 21:19

And yet none of those you mentioned saw the way for true independence was to stay in the Union.

General Aman Andom and Zerai Deres take the cake.

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Re: Eritrean Orators/Populist leaders of post wwll

Post by Telomerase » 13 May 2019, 21:33

Qomal agame ape,

Stop lying. Melake Tekle was killed because of internal dispute in the ELF leadership. Abdela Idris and co. did not want to surrender their weapons to Sudan despite Sudan's promise to return them once the front returns to Eritrea. The ELF chairman wanted to surrender weapons up until ELF returns to the field. During national conference, a clash ensued. Melake was enraged with Abdela. Shots fired, unfortunately, the Eritreans hero, Melake Tekle fell.
I believe Abraham Tekle wanted to kill Abdela Idris, before the conference, however, in a clash with the Ethiopian army, as the ELF army retreated, Abraham, trying to save a fallen hero, fought a whole brigade of Ethiopian army by himself. The hero fell there.
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Post by Telomerase » 13 May 2019, 21:46

Eden,

Zeray Deres never witnessed the deceit of Haile Sellasie. General Aman was trying to make peace between ELF and EPLF. The general wanted to resolve the Eritrean situation peacefully. Deep down he knew Eritrean liberation was inevitable. He wanted Ethiopia to be at peace with itself. Now, you are not Eritrean. What is best for us, Eritreans, we know it is liberation. Internal matters will resolve in time. So, backoff, and worry about Tigray. Should Tigray be independent. Halafi says yes, you say no. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Mits...... :P

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Re: Eritrean Orators/Populist leaders of post wwll

Post by Zack » 14 May 2019, 01:10

What about Muhammad Ramadan nur second man to isias afewerki in the shabiya movement.

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Post by Deqi-Arawit » 14 May 2019, 03:29

Telomerase wrote:
13 May 2019, 21:33
Qomal agame ape,

Stop lying. Melake Tekle was killed because of internal dispute in the ELF leadership. Abdela Idris and co. did not want to surrender their weapons to Sudan despite Sudan's promise to return them once the front returns to Eritrea. The ELF chairman wanted to surrender weapons up until ELF returns to the field. During national conference, a clash ensued. Melake was enraged with Abdela. Shots fired, unfortunately, the Eritreans hero, Melake Tekle fell.
I believe Abraham Tekle wanted to kill Abdela Idris, before the conference, however, in a clash with the Ethiopian army, as the ELF army retreated, Abraham, trying to save a fallen hero, fought a whole brigade of Ethiopian army by himself. The hero fell there.
Your history is incorrect.
True Melake tekle and abdella idris had their dispute in one of their meeting. In the heat of their discussion Melake directed his Gun against abdella but he hesitated and didn’t pull the trigger.

After they fall out from each other, abdella idris cells killed Melake in Kassala Sudan.

Btw, you are mixing Melake tekle, with Abraham tekle

Abraham tekle was a fedayen or an assassin who operated in asmara while melake was high ranking in ElF

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Post by nizzy » 14 May 2019, 05:27

Zack wrote:
14 May 2019, 01:10
What about Muhammad Ramadan nur second man to isias afewerki in the shabiya movement.

Dr Zackovich
I was actually about to post this myself, visionary man great speaker. Some correction though, Romadan Muhammad Noor was the first secretary general of EPLF while Isaias serverd as vice secretary. Later in the late 80s I believe Isaias was elected secretary general and Romadan became vice secretary, he retired shortly after independence. There is also General Sebhat Efrem and Secretary Alamin Mohammed Seid they're very good public speakers.

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Re: Eritrean Orators/Populist leaders of post wwll

Post by Sabur » 14 May 2019, 07:53


Melake Telke was killed in Rasai, Sudan in 1981 by Abela Idris and Co.

I do not want to digress from the main point but,...

While Jebha had its demons of religious and regional factions until 1974/5, it was becoming democratic and open revolutionary front after 1975/6 when democratic and nationalist groups that want to change the ELF's leadership and Ideology emerged. A name Fallul was coined to the group that carries a negative connotation as anarchists - which the old guards, religious and regional fanatics, power hungry leaders use when being challenged by democratic groups.

The ELF leadership knew the danger this group poses to their leadership and immediately want to liquidate the group. The Fallul group then joined the EPLF which in turn Isayas felt the danger and threat to his authority this group would pose. He immediately put them in the fire of the 1977/8 war to capture Massawa with out any military planning and most of them perished in 1977/8 war to liberate Massawa.

ELF leadership started the hunt and Isayas finished them all.



Deqi-Arawit wrote:
14 May 2019, 03:29
Telomerase wrote:
13 May 2019, 21:33
Qomal agame ape,

Stop lying. Melake Tekle was killed because of internal dispute in the ELF leadership. Abdela Idris and co. did not want to surrender their weapons to Sudan despite Sudan's promise to return them once the front returns to Eritrea. The ELF chairman wanted to surrender weapons up until ELF returns to the field. During national conference, a clash ensued. Melake was enraged with Abdela. Shots fired, unfortunately, the Eritreans hero, Melake Tekle fell.
I believe Abraham Tekle wanted to kill Abdela Idris, before the conference, however, in a clash with the Ethiopian army, as the ELF army retreated, Abraham, trying to save a fallen hero, fought a whole brigade of Ethiopian army by himself. The hero fell there.
Your history is incorrect.
True Melake tekle and abdella idris had their dispute in one of their meeting. In the heat of their discussion Melake directed his Gun against abdella but he hesitated and didn’t pull the trigger.

After they fall out from each other, abdella idris cells killed Melake in Kassala Sudan.

Btw, you are mixing Melake tekle, with Abraham tekle

Abraham tekle was a fedayen or an assassin who operated in asmara while melake was high ranking in ElF

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Re: Eritrean Orators/Populist leaders of post wwll

Post by eden » 14 May 2019, 09:27

Telomerase wrote:
13 May 2019, 21:46
Internal matters will resolve in time. So, backoff
Telomerase wrote:
13 May 2019, 15:40
I hope we discuss with convincing argument like civilized people that we are.

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Re: Eritrean Orators/Populist leaders of post wwll

Post by Telomerase » 14 May 2019, 09:32

Deqi,

You are the one confusing Abraham with Melake. Abraham was the one who pulled the gun in that incident. Abraham may not have been part of the leadership, but everyone feared him. He was deadly. Had Melake pulled the the gun on Idris Abdela, that would have been the last of Abdela Idris.
Zack,
Romodan was a great leader. He had cool demeanor.

Sabur,
You are right on the money about Jebha. Jebha was far more democratic than Shaebya. But, Shaebya was much more focused on the struggle.

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Re: Eritrean Orators/Populist leaders of post wwll

Post by Deqi-Arawit » 14 May 2019, 09:43

Telomerase wrote:
14 May 2019, 09:32
Deqi,

You are the one confusing Abraham with Melake. Abraham was the one who pulled the gun in that incident. Abraham may not have been part of the leadership, but everyone feared him. He was deadly. Had Melake pulled the the gun on Idris Abdela, that would have been the last of Abdela Idris.
Zack,
Romodan was a great leader. He had cool demeanor.

Sabur,
You are right on the money about Jebha. Jebha was far more democratic than Shaebya. But, Shaebya was much more focused on the struggle.
Abraham was a fedayen who operated behind enemey line and I have never heard or read that he threatned to kill abdella idris

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Post by Telomerase » 14 May 2019, 10:45

Deqi,

True, Abraham terrorized the Derg Generals in Asmara along with General Vynak. Abraham was much more than a fedayn in Jebha. He was a defacto member of the leadership . Actually, an Eritrean who served in Jebha wrote the same thing on this forum a few years ago. Abraham was pure Asmarino from Alpha Romeo (Alpharomayo). Anything about Asmara, the leadership depended on him. He had a street smart and a killer instinct like no one else. He was very good looking guy with green eyes and canniving smiling face that terrified his enemies. He shot Yonas, the Haile sellasie relative infront of Ambassador hotel in the presence of multitude of dergue soldiers. He read his crime to him before he shot him. BTW, Yonas was his drinking and womanizing buddy before he left for the field. :lol:

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