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Post by Revelations » 16 Apr 2019, 12:29

And the ugly nature of ethnic federalism prevents such leaders from becoming prime minsters of Ethiopia.


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Post by Axumawi » 16 Apr 2019, 12:46

Your enthusiasm is great and well taken.

True non of us has chosen from which parents to be born, to which clan to be born, but Once you are born into a clan (zerii) you cannot change it. You can try to hide it if you wanted to cheat or if you are ashamed of it.

Its not even a year since we saw feet kissing for Abiy, gift from God, and the same people who are now afraid to say Abiy is gift from man.

Give the Somali Kilil time to benefit from leadership of this man, what you are so enthusiastic for him to be prime minister. There is a lot to fix, a lot new to bring in Somali Kilil.

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Post by Revelations » 16 Apr 2019, 12:57

Stop dancing around the main issue. The truth is that the so called ethnic federalism will not allow people from "አጋር ድርጅቶች ፤ የበይ ተመልካቾች" to be able to compete for that level of leadership. The ugly faces of ethnic federalism can not be covered up by you!
Axumawi wrote:
16 Apr 2019, 12:46
Your enthusiasm is great and well taken.

True non of us has chosen from which parents to be born, to which clan to be born, but Once you are born into a clan (zerii) you cannot change it. You can try to hide it if you wanted to cheat or if you are ashamed of it.

Its not even a year since we saw feet kissing for Abiy, gift from God, and the same people who are now afraid to say Abiy is gift from man.

Give the Somali Kilil time to benefit from leadership of this man, what you are so enthusiastic for him to be prime minister. There is a lot to fix, a lot new to bring in Somali Kilil.

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Post by Ethoash » 16 Apr 2019, 13:00

"ዘሩን መርጦ የተወለደ ማንም የለም"

"ዘሩንም መርጦ የቀየር ማን የለም"

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Post by Axumawi » 16 Apr 2019, 13:01

Ethoash wrote:
16 Apr 2019, 13:00
"ዘሩን መርጦ የተወለደ ማንም የለም"

"ዘሩንም መርጦ የቀየር ማን የለም"
Bingo.

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Post by Axumawi » 16 Apr 2019, 13:07

Revelations wrote:
16 Apr 2019, 12:29
And the ugly nature of ethnic federalism prevents such leaders from becoming prime minsters of Ethiopia.

What is wrong with Abiy?
Is the kissing feet and gift from God ...blessing finished already.



Where do you know if the man is capable to be good president for Somali kilil, let alone prime minister of country.

If you are talking about future, EPRDF is going to be party in all Kilils, but the Somali and Afar want to stay only allies not members in one party as individuals. They have more important reasons, than having a PM. They can have PM by joining EPRDF as Somali and Afar parties, just like existing ones.

Abiy is asking the Somalis to join in one party as individuals, but there is big resistance to do so. All tthey want is to join EPRDF as Somali party.

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Post by Ethoash » 16 Apr 2019, 13:19

bashing ethnic fed system without giving alternative... only enhance the value of ethnic fed. system

i dont want to hear how ethnic fed. system is evil .. show me alternative .. you have no alternative then hold Speak now or forever hold your peace

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Post by Revelations » 16 Apr 2019, 13:22

Ethoash wrote:
16 Apr 2019, 13:00
"ዘሩን መርጦ የተወለደ ማንም የለም"

"ዘሩንም መርጦ የቀየር ማን የለም"
But there are quite a few TPLFiets who became whatever ethnic group they wanted in the mission of implementing TPLF's ethnic division agenda. Your memory is waning by the day!

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Post by Axumawi » 16 Apr 2019, 13:51

Ethoash wrote:
16 Apr 2019, 13:19
bashing ethnic fed system without giving alternative... only enhance the value of ethnic fed. system

i dont want to hear how ethnic fed. system is evil .. show me alternative .. you have no alternative then hold Speak now or forever hold your peace
You are asking EPRP to change their culture of gossip, manquashesh, alubalta...
Its almost impossible to do.

Providing a better alternative, or simply any alternative is not in their dictionary or mind.

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Post by Ethoash » 16 Apr 2019, 14:03

Revelations wrote:
16 Apr 2019, 13:22
Ethoash wrote:
16 Apr 2019, 13:00
"ዘሩን መርጦ የተወለደ ማንም የለም"

"ዘሩንም መርጦ የቀየር ማን የለም"
But there are quite a few TPLFiets who became whatever ethnic group they wanted in the mission of implementing TPLF's ethnic division agenda. Your memory is waning by the day!
pls choose one

A. አቶ በረከት ስምኦን can switch his ethnicity as he wish

B. አቶ በረከት ስምኦን cant switch his ethnicity it is all fake

if u choice b then "ዘሩንም መርጦ የቀየር ማን የለም" become undeniable truth

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Post by Dawi » 16 Apr 2019, 14:06

Axumawi wrote:
16 Apr 2019, 13:07
Abiy is asking the Somalis to join in one party as individuals, but there is big resistance to do so. All tthey want is to join EPRDF as Somali party.
Axumawi,

Why are you underestimating Mustefa or us here?

He told us Ideologist EPRDF's "ethnic federation" of the past was the culprit of 20,000+ Somalis massacred. Didn't he?

So why would he want to join that former primordial apartheid like "ethnic federation" party of EPRDF?

If you ask me, he is in the Bandwagon of Dr. Abiy. He will do what he asks him to do hands down.

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Post by Ethoash » 16 Apr 2019, 14:19

Dawi wrote:
16 Apr 2019, 14:06
Axumawi wrote:
16 Apr 2019, 13:07
Abiy is asking the Somalis to join in one party as individuals, but there is big resistance to do so. All tthey want is to join EPRDF as Somali party.
Axumawi,

Why are you underestimating Mustefa or us here?

He told us Ideologist EPRDF's "ethnic federation" of the past was the culprit of 20,000+ Somalis massacred. Didn't he?

So why would he want to join that former primordial apartheid like "ethnic federation" party of EPRDF?

If you ask me, he is in the Bandwagon of Dr. Abiy. He will do what he asks him to do hands down.

thanks Dawi, you r online pls answer this question fast

can u name the alternative party and what would be their working language

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Post by Dawi » 16 Apr 2019, 14:36

Ethoash wrote:
16 Apr 2019, 14:19
thanks Dawi, you r online pls answer this question fast

can u name the alternative party and what would be their working language
Ehoash,

I count on Dr. Abiy's promise of turning EPRDF into a single party. I don't doubt Mustefa will be in it. I expect the most articulates Getachew Reda and Zadig Abreha joining as well as TPLF or as individuals. Dr. Debresion will likely join that group as an individual but, right now, grudgingly, he is advocating his elders view as a party leader.

As far as language goes Amharic is cheaper as most people including the ones who don't read & write speak it. We can add Afan Oromo and others as well; it is already practiced in zones; no need to force anyone. Whether you believe it or not, our parents spoke 4-5 languages fluently; especially those that grew up in former Harargie & other diverse centers.

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Post by Ethoash » 16 Apr 2019, 14:50

Dawai,

stay with me when Dr.Abiy said he want one party i thought he mean one party for all Ethiopia

if it mean only changing EPRDF to one single party why fix it when it is not broken.. how in hell this single party going to work based on seat or vote for oromo , amhaa or everyone get only one vote how this going to work if is one single party

the way i understand it the Amhaa (g7, abn , cud, edu, eprp etc)also try to get their single party and so one and reduce the party to acceptable level ... or the whole Ethiopians need only one party.. pls make it clear i am waiting ..

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Post by Axumawi » 16 Apr 2019, 15:10

There is nothing new in what PM Abiy is saying.

This issue has been kicked around for a long time. TPLF wanted it and others opposed it in the past. Because the others felt all Agar will side with TPLF. The difference was TPLF had no challenge at home base.
ODP still has very strong challenge in home base. Cannot implement such an idea now. ODP cannot defeat OFC, OLF..and others by gathering allies from other Kilils. It has to consolidate its power at home....then the sky is the limit. not now.

There are two ways of creating a country wide party:

1. Expand EPRDF and have one party from each kilil join. This would become EPRDF Somali, EPRDF Debub..just like the American system of Republican party of Pensylvania....which are registered and functioning in the state. Govern the state if they win regardless if democrats or republican wins the Federation USA.

2. EPRDF to have individual membership direct from any corner of the country. This will be difficult to compete for Kilil government or even municipal government. You need local organization at city, provinceial..level to compete for that level. This idea is being pushed by G7, Dergists, Eritrea...those who have no interest at all to govern villages.

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Post by Dawi » 17 Apr 2019, 15:43

Axumawi wrote:
16 Apr 2019, 15:10
There is nothing new in what PM Abiy is saying.

This issue has been kicked around for a long time. TPLF wanted it and others opposed it in the past. Because the others felt all Agar will side with TPLF. The difference was TPLF had no challenge at home base.
ODP still has very strong challenge in home base. Cannot implement such an idea now. ODP cannot defeat OFC, OLF..and others by gathering allies from other Kilils. It has to consolidate its power at home....then the sky is the limit. not now.

There are two ways of creating a country wide party:

1. Expand EPRDF and have one party from each kilil join. This would become EPRDF Somali, EPRDF Debub..just like the American system of Republican party of Pensylvania....which are registered and functioning in the state. Govern the state if they win regardless if democrats or republican wins the Federation USA.

2. EPRDF to have individual membership direct from any corner of the country. This will be difficult to compete for Kilil government or even municipal government. You need local organization at city, provinceial..level to compete for that level. This idea is being pushed by G7, Dergists, Eritrea...those who have no interest at all to govern villages.
Axumawi,

You're correct, this is not new but, TPLF slept on it because they were too greedy to let go riding the other like horses. It finally caught up with them.

#1 is "ethnic federation" as we know it?

#2 Locals can compete under the future National Parties. If "Dergists" are one so be it. Eritrea has PFDJ as one; need Ethiopianist opposition; why not?

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Post by Axumawi » 17 Apr 2019, 17:04

Dawi wrote:
17 Apr 2019, 15:43
Axumawi wrote:
16 Apr 2019, 15:10
There is nothing new in what PM Abiy is saying.

This issue has been kicked around for a long time. TPLF wanted it and others opposed it in the past. Because the others felt all Agar will side with TPLF. The difference was TPLF had no challenge at home base.
ODP still has very strong challenge in home base. Cannot implement such an idea now. ODP cannot defeat OFC, OLF..and others by gathering allies from other Kilils. It has to consolidate its power at home....then the sky is the limit. not now.

There are two ways of creating a country wide party:

1. Expand EPRDF and have one party from each kilil join. This would become EPRDF Somali, EPRDF Debub..just like the American system of Republican party of Pensylvania....which are registered and functioning in the state. Govern the state if they win regardless if democrats or republican wins the Federation USA.

2. EPRDF to have individual membership direct from any corner of the country. This will be difficult to compete for Kilil government or even municipal government. You need local organization at city, provinceial..level to compete for that level. This idea is being pushed by G7, Dergists, Eritrea...those who have no interest at all to govern villages.
Axumawi,

You're correct, this is not new but, TPLF slept on it because they were too greedy to let go riding the other like horses. It finally caught up with them.

#1 is "ethnic federation" as we know it?

#2 Locals can compete under the future National Parties. If "Dergists" are one so be it. Eritrea has PFDJ as one; need Ethiopianist opposition; why not?
Why wuld you spend time and energy in a political party, today in Ethiopia, trying to govern the country, but not a village?

At least for some decades, power will still come from the villages, we will still have Aba Gadas influencing the politics of the country...etc.


It was not TPLF that delayed it, but the other parties. The other parties thought that all Agar will be with TPLF forever until they grow like OPDO or ANDM and become leaders. TPLF had no problem, because OLF is not there and OPDO will not look for OLF if it can find allies with similar ideas inside expanded EPRDF.

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Dr Birhanu Negga : " zerun merTo yetewelede manm yelem ".

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Post by Dawi » 17 Apr 2019, 17:53

Axumawi wrote:
17 Apr 2019, 17:04
Why wuld you spend time and energy in a political party, today in Ethiopia, trying to govern the country, but not a village?

At least for some decades, power will still come from the villages, we will still have Aba Gadas influencing the politics of the country...etc.


It was not TPLF that delayed it, but the other parties. The other parties thought that all Agar will be with TPLF forever until they grow like OPDO or ANDM and become leaders. TPLF had no problem, because OLF is not there and OPDO will not look for OLF if it can find allies with similar ideas inside expanded EPRDF.
The answer is to stop the "ethnic" conflict from getting out of hand. And because the country is lucky to have folks like the present "change agents" in EPRDF, they can leap frog us from the damages done in the last 27 years; No matter what we say about Dr. Abiy/Lemma, we all still love them inside.

Your point is well taken as far as TPLF not being the only party "delaying", the "single" party movements in EPRDF.

However, I still say TPLF became complacent with the exclusive advantages in the business of appropriating "riches" from the rest of the nation. After Meles passed, they abandoned all his effort, by mismanaging the DS he built. Instead, they claimed one DS vehicle EFFORT & others as Tigrai "ኬኛ!", to the point of nauseating the rest of the country. After all, EFFORT & others had billions of Birr written off from the books of National Banks. That Sebhat interview was sickening to hear. He was being greedy; subsequently showing the true face of TPLF for all.

Money is intoxicating and ODP is accused of starting doing the same old thing today; unless they correct course or do something on how they present themselves to the Ethiopian public at large, there will be a time of no return sooner than later.

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Post by Abdelaziz » 17 Apr 2019, 18:15

That tebtaba illiterate midgan needs to shut up his saliva-full mouth. No body in Zoomali wants this asafari bukatam yegalla ashker. I think he needs diaper for his lizard's-like mouth which always fills up to its bloody brim with his zoomali-type smelly secretions every time he opens it to the public. Esun bilo ye biher mininet Awaqi, we already heard this sort of fake statements from a billion other cynical individuals like him. contrary to that, we know, every parents pick the tribe of every offspring in the world. It comes by choice of who you take to your bedroom to fo'ck period. His jebereti father raped his smelly midgan mother on purpose so she can have and rear this ugly liar wesfatam zoomali miscreant.... so he is zoomali by his father's choice who to rape not by God's will... his parents picked his monkeylike bantu zoomaliness, period. Let him give it up and show us the meaning of what he implies albeit he is saying it dishonestly.

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