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አክሱም የማን ነው? የአማራ ነው:: Axum Belongs to Amhara

Post by Masud » 13 Apr 2019, 14:33

Mamushet Amare lied to Amhara youth. He said Geez alphabet belongs to Amhara which is false. It belongs to Tigray-Tigrign, not to Amhara. He lied also Amhara came to Abyssinia before Tigre, which is also false.

He also lied to the Amhara use that Axum belongs to Amhara which is also false. Watch the video.



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Post by Masud » 13 Apr 2019, 14:40

Amhara want to take Tigrian factories and historical heritages.


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Re: አክሱም የማን ነው? የአማራ ነው:: Axum Belongs to Amhara

Post by Axumawi » 13 Apr 2019, 15:00

Masud wrote:
13 Apr 2019, 14:33
Mamushet Amare lied to Amhara youth. He said Geez alphabet belongs to Amhara which is false. It belongs to Tigray-Tigrign, not to Amhara. He lied also Amhara came to Abyssinia before Tigre, which is also false.

He also lied to the Amhara use that Axum belongs to Amhara which is also false. Watch the video.



This Interhamwee is a late comer to the game. lol
He is doubling down and trying to overdo it...

He even forgot the Agew on Lalibela. He is damaging his followers with inferiority complex manifesting as superiority. Nothing new...

Ask him just one question. Count to seven generation. That will stop him on his tracks.

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Re: አክሱም የማን ነው? የአማራ ነው:: Axum Belongs to Amhara

Post by Dawi » 13 Apr 2019, 15:24

Masud wrote:
13 Apr 2019, 14:33
Mamushet Amare lied to Amhara youth. He said Geez alphabet belongs to Amhara which is false. It belongs to Tigray-Tigrign, not to Amhara. He lied also Amhara came to Abyssinia before Tigre, which is also false.

He also lied to the Amhara use that Axum belongs to Amhara which is also false. Watch the video.
Masud,

How do you know Geez & Axum is not theirs? We already know the present residents may not have any thing to do with Axum.

Can you explain? How do you know Amara didn't "come" before Tigre? Just like they came to AA before Oromo?

It is just like AA where the whole "Shewa area was the seat of famous Abyssinians kings like Emperor Amdetsion, Emperor Dawit ,king Zereayakob and others. Old rock hewn churches like Adadi mariam in South Shewa & other old churches in Gurage areas dating back over 500 years are evidence of chrstianity presence before oromo expansion."

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Re: አክሱም የማን ነው? የአማራ ነው:: Axum Belongs to Amhara

Post by Axumawi » 13 Apr 2019, 15:39

Dawi wrote:
13 Apr 2019, 15:24
Masud wrote:
13 Apr 2019, 14:33
Mamushet Amare lied to Amhara youth. He said Geez alphabet belongs to Amhara which is false. It belongs to Tigray-Tigrign, not to Amhara. He lied also Amhara came to Abyssinia before Tigre, which is also false.

He also lied to the Amhara use that Axum belongs to Amhara which is also false. Watch the video.
Masud,

How do you know Geez & Axum is not theirs? We already know the present residents may not have any thing to do with Axum.

Can you explain? How do you know Amara didn't "come" before Tigre? Just like they came to AA before Oromo?

It is just like AA where the whole "Shewa area was the seat of famous Abyssinians kings like Emperor Amdetsion, Emperor Dawit ,king Zereayakob and others. Old rock hewn churches like Adadi mariam in South Shewa & other old churches in Gurage areas dating back over 500 years are evidence of chrstianity presence before oromo expansion."
why not. lol
You are now claiming for them something they never claimed. The monasteries and churches in southern part of the country.

Hamasien has more legitimate claim to some of those monasteries...

Just one very elementary sign for you.

Who builds rectangular/square structures and who builds round structures. Don't worry about which one is better, mre advanced or anything else. Just who builds what?

That is the most elementary visible, even a child can recognize fact for you. I have never heard an Interhamwee claim Zai/zay/Ziquala...etc. Simple comparison is Ziqala in the south older than Ziquala near Tembien? lol

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Post by Dawi » 14 Apr 2019, 20:43

Axumawi wrote:
13 Apr 2019, 15:39
why not. lol
You are now claiming for them something they never claimed. The monasteries and churches in southern part of the country.

Hamasien has more legitimate claim to some of those monasteries...

Just one very elementary sign for you.

Who builds rectangular/square structures and who builds round structures. Don't worry about which one is better, mre advanced or anything else. Just who builds what?

That is the most elementary visible, even a child can recognize fact for you. I have never heard an Interhamwee claim Zai/zay/Ziquala...etc. Simple comparison is Ziqala in the south older than Ziquala near Tembien? lol
Axumawi,

What came after Geez? Tigrigna or Amharic? It is the Chicken or the egg?

Which "species" arrived at the horn first? Amara or Tigre?

Having said that, Amharic in Ethiopia has earned its place. Others are far behind; if we are smart we continue to enrich it because it has incorporated substantial amount of investments by all Ethiopian. We can look at it like organizations that are built already; like EAL, Telecom, EFFORT, METEC etc. They may need to be restructured but, not destroyed because Ethiopians own them.

Granted we should invest to enrich in other languages but, not to the point of disrupting development to massage our egos. At this moment, it may be a luxury to over do it or to jump up and down like Bekele G. Let us focus in fighting poverty first.

BTW, some say Tigreans were part of the Barara kingdom before Oromos arrived?

In time Eritrea/Tigre/Amara ("Habeshas") will sort it out among themselves; why is Masud getting involved in their fight? When he has his own problems dealing with Barara? :P

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Post by Axumawi » 14 Apr 2019, 21:51

Dawi wrote:
14 Apr 2019, 20:43
Axumawi wrote:
13 Apr 2019, 15:39
why not. lol
You are now claiming for them something they never claimed. The monasteries and churches in southern part of the country.

Hamasien has more legitimate claim to some of those monasteries...

Just one very elementary sign for you.

Who builds rectangular/square structures and who builds round structures. Don't worry about which one is better, mre advanced or anything else. Just who builds what?

That is the most elementary visible, even a child can recognize fact for you. I have never heard an Interhamwee claim Zai/zay/Ziquala...etc. Simple comparison is Ziqala in the south older than Ziquala near Tembien? lol
Axumawi,

What came after Geez? Tigrigna or Amharic? It is the Chicken or the egg?

Which "species" arrived at the horn first? Amara or Tigre?

Having said that, Amharic in Ethiopia has earned its place. Others are far behind; if we are smart we continue to enrich it because it has incorporated substantial amount of investments by all Ethiopian. We can look at it like organizations that are built already; like EAL, Telecom, EFFORT, METEC etc. They may need to be restructured but, not destroyed because Ethiopians own them.

Granted we should invest to enrich in other languages but, not to the point of disrupting development to massage our egos. At this moment, it may be a luxury to over do it or to jump up and down like Bekele G. Let us focus in fighting poverty first.

BTW, some say Tigreans were part of the Barara kingdom before Oromos arrived?

In time Eritrea/Tigre/Amara ("Habeshas") will sort it out among themselves; why is Masud getting involved in their fight? When he has his own problems dealing with Barara? :P
Dawi,

I have the least in terms of expertise as far as language, genealogy, anthropology, archeology etc.
It does not bother me a bit even if at the end of the day these languages are found to be not having common root at all. I do not like the quoting of European or Arab explorers. They were told the prevailing conditions at that specific time they visited. The people told them who the governor was and the visitor extrapolated what people they are.

Tigrinya speakers in general do not impose our language on others, even governance except on few items. This has been seen through the ages. Maybe its because we are more business like.

Language is a tool, like anything else. Why would one resist making Oromiffa a working language. Watch the debate in the 90s that was done on language issue and will give you a better understanding. America also had issue with German and English.

Switzerland did not fall behind, by having multi lingual system. The cost is the same in a third world country. Once Language issue becomes politicized, is very hard to put the genie in the bottle. You actually waste a lot of positive energy the other way around.

If 2-3 Kilils come out of SNNP, what do you think will happen? Think about that as well.

There is a lot of fiction with nothing to back it up in Ethiopian history. Before you go to Berera, Finfine....think of what Professor Mesfin stated when they were doing peoples study during Derg zemen. BTW Derg is the only govt. that did most extensive study about the peoples in Ethiopia.

The biggest problem is Ethiopians cannot teach common history to all children. There is already 2 generations that does not know common history. Add third generation, 4th generation...will not be able to resolve. This in my view is most dangerous.

The latest fashion is to claim Axum. I am sure there will be another damaged generation for it. I want to tell them there is nothing worth raising another generation of confused and suffering from inferiority complex, now at Axum. There is no construction engineering secrets, transportation Technology secrets or even farming secrets. I like the Agew approach, which says, we were at Axum, those who accepted Christianity stayed there, those of us who refused were kicked out. Simple. And true.
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Re: አክሱም የማን ነው? የአማራ ነው:: Axum Belongs to Amhara

Post by Democrat » 14 Apr 2019, 21:59

Aksum was founded by Tigrayans. Abraha and Ezana, Kaleb, St. Yared etc were Tigrayans. It is not possible that the Amhara left the area after founding Aksum without tracing any cultural or agricultural trace.

Aksum is entirely Tigrayan. The people dance and sing like the the middle Eastern people (Arabs, Israelis, Yemenis). The amhara dnce like Southern or West African, even though the music is semetic in tune. The Somalis dance like Middle Eastern Countries so do The Afari people. Somali and fari music has semetic composition.

There are no Amhara names ( they call themeselves Amara as they cannot prounce "h" or similar Semetic sounds). Some say they were colonised by Tigrayans.

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Post by Axumawi » 14 Apr 2019, 22:07

Who ever can fix the Sebara Hawelt can claim Axum. lol

Only Tigre, Tigrinyi, Arabic, Hebrew...speakers can pronounce Axum correctly.

Who ever Ferenji explorer who wrote Aksum instead of Axum did not get it from right people. Its that simple.

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