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Amhara = Agew! Two sides of the same coin

Post by ze_shewa » 10 Apr 2019, 17:58

The people of Wag Hemra Zone saying what we all know Amhara = Agew! Two sides of the same coin.
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Re: Amhara = Agew! Two sides of the same coin

Post by ze_shewa » 10 Apr 2019, 19:54

The rural ppl have the wisdom and courage!

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Re: Amhara = Agew! Two sides of the same coin

Post by Za-Ilmaknun » 10 Apr 2019, 20:01

Axumawi will have a completely different take...Perhaps this is the news that he is dreading.. :roll:

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Re: Amhara = Agew! Two sides of the same coin

Post by ze_shewa » 11 Apr 2019, 04:06

Za-Ilmaknun wrote:
10 Apr 2019, 20:01
Axumawi will have a completely different take...Perhaps this is the news that he is dreading.. :roll:
I doubt he can understand their amharic hence why he comes up with his own translation. Tbh tigrayans don't understand anything south of takeze. It's the Amhara that introduced them to the rest :mrgreen:

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Re: Amhara = Agew! Two sides of the same coin

Post by Za Dengel » 11 Apr 2019, 07:18

Saying Agew is Amara is saying Agew doesn’t have it’s own languages and cultures. They are similar but not identical. My mother from Wag Hemra and personally know the area.

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Re: Amhara = Agew! Two sides of the same coin

Post by ze_shewa » 11 Apr 2019, 08:01

Amharic was created with fusion of early Semitic language with Agew. The wag ppl have has much ownership of the language as any other Amharic speaker, be it in Menz or Gojjam, gondar. Culturally what we consider Amharic culture is also the Agew culture its the same clothes, the dance and of course historic legacy, the church and state. We amharas have always had a regional identity because we are the centrifuge of the state and Ethiopian nationalism. Agew have multiple identities as the priest is telling you

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Re: Amhara = Agew! Two sides of the same coin

Post by Za Dengel » 11 Apr 2019, 10:20

ze_shewa wrote:
11 Apr 2019, 08:01
Amharic was created with fusion of early Semitic language with Agew. The wag ppl have has much ownership of the language as any other Amharic speaker, be it in Menz or Gojjam, gondar. Culturally what we consider Amharic culture is also the Agew culture its the same clothes, the dance and of course historic legacy, the church and state. We amharas have always had a regional identity because we are the centrifuge of the state and Ethiopian nationalism. Agew have multiple identities as the priest is telling you
Incorrect. The claim that Amarigna is as a result of fusion has been proven wrong. Amarigna directly descended from a Semitic language (proto Amaringn-Argobba). Read or watch the works of Girma A. Demeke.

Most of the Agew influence we see in Amarigna happened after the birth of Amarigna especially in the last millennium. There was already Cushitic on pre-Amarigna language but that happened to all EthioSemitic languages. The latter also influenced Cushitic languages.

Look Amara and Agew are very similar since living together for very long had resulted in cultural exchange, mixing and assimilation. But they are still a distinct ppl.

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Re: Amhara = Agew! Two sides of the same coin

Post by DefendTheTruth » 11 Apr 2019, 10:42

ze_shewa wrote:
11 Apr 2019, 08:01
Amharic was created with fusion of early Semitic language with Agew. The wag ppl have has much ownership of the language as any other Amharic speaker, be it in Menz or Gojjam, gondar. Culturally what we consider Amharic culture is also the Agew culture its the same clothes, the dance and of course historic legacy, the church and state. We amharas have always had a regional identity because we are the centrifuge of the state and Ethiopian nationalism. Agew have multiple identities as the priest is telling you
When are people going to realize that equating Amhara with Ethiopia is a self-defeating exercise and doomed to fail, no matter how many times it get repeated?

You created Amhara liberation front and don't you think that trying to equate it with Ethiopian liberation front is silly to begin with?

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Re: Amhara = Agew! Two sides of the same coin

Post by ze_shewa » 11 Apr 2019, 11:55

DefendTheTruth wrote:
11 Apr 2019, 10:42
ze_shewa wrote:
11 Apr 2019, 08:01
Amharic was created with fusion of early Semitic language with Agew. The wag ppl have has much ownership of the language as any other Amharic speaker, be it in Menz or Gojjam, gondar. Culturally what we consider Amharic culture is also the Agew culture its the same clothes, the dance and of course historic legacy, the church and state. We amharas have always had a regional identity because we are the centrifuge of the state and Ethiopian nationalism. Agew have multiple identities as the priest is telling you
When are people going to realize that equating Amhara with Ethiopia is a self-defeating exercise and doomed to fail, no matter how many times it get repeated?

You created Amhara liberation front and don't you think that trying to equate it with Ethiopian liberation front is silly to begin with?
what I said is that amhara culture/identity was the medium in which different ethnic groups were assimilated to build state and church. Why deny facts ? monarchy and church were build on the amharic culture. But this culture was born out of assimilation and co-existence, for the wag area is an example of this dual identity and intertwined nature of the history.

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Re: Amhara = Agew! Two sides of the same coin

Post by DefendTheTruth » 11 Apr 2019, 13:00

ze_shewa wrote:
11 Apr 2019, 11:55
DefendTheTruth wrote:
11 Apr 2019, 10:42
ze_shewa wrote:
11 Apr 2019, 08:01
Amharic was created with fusion of early Semitic language with Agew. The wag ppl have has much ownership of the language as any other Amharic speaker, be it in Menz or Gojjam, gondar. Culturally what we consider Amharic culture is also the Agew culture its the same clothes, the dance and of course historic legacy, the church and state. We amharas have always had a regional identity because we are the centrifuge of the state and Ethiopian nationalism. Agew have multiple identities as the priest is telling you
When are people going to realize that equating Amhara with Ethiopia is a self-defeating exercise and doomed to fail, no matter how many times it get repeated?

You created Amhara liberation front and don't you think that trying to equate it with Ethiopian liberation front is silly to begin with?
what I said is that amhara culture/identity was the medium in which different ethnic groups were assimilated to build state and church. Why deny facts ? monarchy and church were build on the amharic culture. But this culture was born out of assimilation and co-existence, for the wag area is an example of this dual identity and intertwined nature of the history.
If I remember correctly, Dr. Merera Gudina said once "liberation front" doesn't fit the "shoe size" of the great Oromo people in Ethiopia to demand it in its name. And many Oromo politicians started dropping such a demand before the even more fanatic Amhara nationalists came to the scene and started about their version of Amhariya.

To sereve as medium on which the rest melted together (assimilated) doesn't imply for me at least the same thing as claiming about "Ethiopian nationalism".

You and many of us have got the right to celebrate and uphold the ideals of Ethiopian nationalism but the moment you (I) start to claim the idea of Amhara nationalism (Oromo nationalism, Tigre nationalism, Kambata nationalism, wezeterfe,) then you (I) disqualify yourself (myself) from your (my) claim about the former.

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Re: Amhara = Agew! Two sides of the same coin

Post by Axumawi » 11 Apr 2019, 13:11

Za Dengel wrote:
11 Apr 2019, 07:18
Saying Agew is Amara is saying Agew doesn’t have it’s own languages and cultures. They are similar but not identical. My mother from Wag Hemra and personally know the area.
Agew are Amhara

1. The worst kind of chauvinism

2. Cultural theft

3. Identity theft

Bezih zemen Agew is Amhara kind of speach is abhorent, uncivilized, backwards, cowardly, lack of confidence, reinforcing the 'belief' that Amhara is not an Ethnic with its own ancestral roots.

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Re: Amhara = Agew! Two sides of the same coin

Post by ze_shewa » 11 Apr 2019, 13:36

Axumawi wrote:
11 Apr 2019, 13:11
Za Dengel wrote:
11 Apr 2019, 07:18
Saying Agew is Amara is saying Agew doesn’t have it’s own languages and cultures. They are similar but not identical. My mother from Wag Hemra and personally know the area.
Agew are Amhara

1. The worst kind of chauvinism

2. Cultural theft

3. Identity theft

Bezih zemen Agew is Amhara kind of speach is abhorent, uncivilized, backwards, cowardly, lack of confidence, reinforcing the 'belief' that Amhara is not an Ethnic with its own ancestral roots.
Didn't you hear it from the horse's mouth lol ... amhara is agew and agew is amhara... dragger to your envious and inferiority complex soul. Most of tigray was agew but at least in the amhara region wag shum was acknowledged and title and history praised.. in Tigray all the Agew are embarrassed by their identity

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Re: Amhara = Agew! Two sides of the same coin

Post by Za-Ilmaknun » 11 Apr 2019, 14:04

Axumawi wrote:
11 Apr 2019, 13:11
Za Dengel wrote:
11 Apr 2019, 07:18
Saying Agew is Amara is saying Agew doesn’t have it’s own languages and cultures. They are similar but not identical. My mother from Wag Hemra and personally know the area.
Agew are Amhara

1. The worst kind of chauvinism

2. Cultural theft

3. Identity theft

Bezih zemen Agew is Amhara kind of speach is abhorent, uncivilized, backwards, cowardly, lack of confidence, reinforcing the 'belief' that Amhara is not an Ethnic with its own ancestral roots.
You always try to play the agew card to wadge a divide between the amhara and agew people. I am sure the facts hasn't been lost to you about the two brotherly people but, you do have a very misguided intentions.

The amharas and the agews are very close to each other in terms of any identifier of culture. They have lived side bu side more than any other group in that country. If you had the slightest idea as to what most of us here know about the two people, you would have restrained your unrestrained indulgence... for we are the people.

There are Agew people in Abergele Tigrai and, in Keren Eritrea too. Agew is the core people to the region. Would you please save your crocodile tears and be who you really are and be proud of your identity? It would have made sense if you were fighting for the oppressed and unrepresented Irobs and Kunamas. There are the amharas in Raya and WolQait too who are being forced to be what they are now as we speak. Now endertans are also requesting for self administration and the fair share of the windfall. Better put your house in order and let the rest of us worry for ourselves.

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Re: Amhara = Agew! Two sides of the same coin

Post by Axumawi » 11 Apr 2019, 14:29

ze_shewa wrote:
11 Apr 2019, 08:01
Amharic was created with fusion of early Semitic language with Agew. The wag ppl have has much ownership of the language as any other Amharic speaker, be it in Menz or Gojjam, gondar. Culturally what we consider Amharic culture is also the Agew culture its the same clothes, the dance and of course historic legacy, the church and state. We amharas have always had a regional identity because we are the centrifuge of the state and Ethiopian nationalism. Agew have multiple identities as the priest is telling you
The age of teret teret is old age. I really feel sad for your children growing up with your teret teret. The psychological damage and confusion when they find the truth is incalculable. Welcome to the world of truth, verifiable history, documented history.
The flag of Hatse Tedros with added symbol of Oritawian is here.


I can not force you to get out of your teret teret history, but the true history will be enforced. If you are lucky you will live long enough to see the true history in action, otherwise your children will see it.

The biggest lie your kind perpetuate is that Ethiopians fought in Adwa under the ABN Interhamwee flag. It did not even exist until Empress Zewditu time.
The oldest flag in today' Ethiopia is RYG, the second oldest flag is BlueWhiteRed.

For your own sake and that of your children, change your ways. You have no power to steal other peoples culture.

Example: ABN has banned Shuribe and White clothes/shoes which is Tigrean culture. You used it as yours for 100 years in the south.

1. Agew has to be a working language in Amhara Kilil
2. Amhara Kilil to be called Agewna Amhara Kilil just like Benishangul Gumuz (Oromos, Tigres..in Amhara kilil don't mind since they have kilils)
3. If there is no common agreement on Kilil Flag between Amhara and Agew, each zone will have its flag choice and Ethiopian flag.
4. Media budget will be equal for Amharic and Agew broadcast

The above are few of the items in the pipeline.


Welcome to Amhara and Agew are equal, but different peoples.Where evr there is misundertanding and conflicts over identity theft of the past, the Afar, Wollo (Oromo) and Tigreans will be the judge.




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Re: Amhara = Agew! Two sides of the same coin

Post by EPRDF » 11 Apr 2019, 14:44

To say Agew is Amhara is wrong, it is the opposite..Amhara is Agew.

Amhara is an ethnic group that transformed itself from Agew/Tigre and Oromo mixture to today's Amhara. It is a group or a collection of christian elements of these groups and later further incorporated the rest in the south through assimilation.

That is why always controversy arouse whenever talks begun about Amhara national identity.

My thorough research on Amhara ethnic origin led me to the conclusion that Amhara should not even be a member in the house of Semitic linguistic groups. Amhara belongs more to Cushitics linguistics circles like Agaw, Kambata and Oromo. Amharic just borrowed and added Semetic words from Tigre, Guraghe, Adere and Argoba and claims to be Semitic, which is a wrong perception that needs to be rectified.

Amhara's DNA would defenitely matchs that of Agaw and Oromo. No doubt.

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Re: Amhara = Agew! Two sides of the same coin

Post by Za-Ilmaknun » 11 Apr 2019, 15:08

EPRDF wrote:
11 Apr 2019, 14:44
To say Agew is Amhara is wrong, it is the opposite..Amhara is Agew.

Amhara is an ethnic group that transformed itself from Agew/Tigre and Oromo mixture to today's Amhara. It is a group or a collection of christian elements of these groups and later further incorporated the rest in the south through assimilation.

. Amhara belonged more to Cushitics linguistics circles like Agaw, Kambata and Oromo. Amharic just borrowed and added Semetic words from Tigre, Guraghe, Adere and Argoba and claims to be Semitic, which is a wrong perception that needs to be rectified.

Amhara's DNA would defenitely matchs that of Agaw and Oromo. No doubt.
EPRDF,

This is a good start. The amharas being the mixture of Agew, Tigre, Oromo and the South gave them this unique status to stand for the defense of the Country as one entity. :lol:

I see no harm in classifying any language with any root in as long as it is done with proper study. That serves the academic curiosity but doesn't make the cushitic identity any less or better than the semitic or nylotic. The problem is when you simply amalgam hotchpotch of unsubstantiated facts to promote hateful and divisive agenda. You will find peaople of mixed heritage more than quadruple the size of you killil population. Even Getachew Assefa and Meles Zenawi have mixed heritages. It is just self hating and fascistic to say that you are better or worse because you are form one group or another.

I understand the length some of the folks from your killil go in justifying they should perpetually be on top of the food chain. They think that they are genetically made for it. We have figured out the psychology of most of you... for it ain't hidden. I can't force you to think normal but, I will tell you a gazillion times that we are all human beings and we should only excel by our merits and hard work...not by some mystically cooked genealogical claim.

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Re: Amhara = Agew! Two sides of the same coin

Post by Axumawi » 11 Apr 2019, 16:28

God is great

Amaram BeAgew tega tega yemilibet gizie Ayen.

Temesgen egziabiher.

I invite you to this first Song (sold in cassettes at the time) of Weyannie some 40 years ago.

The meaning of the lyrics is:

The Tigreans are on the move again after a break of 40 years. The fire that has been hidden is burning again
Young and old, Women and Men, Moslem and Christian is on the march as one people
Agew and Kunama along with Irob, Tigrinyi with Afar...have all said no more opression, we have risen
......etc

Agew, Kunama, Irob, Tigrigni, Afar...we have all risen for liberation and equality
Will fight until the right of nationalities and equality against Fascists

Tigray Tigray
The fighter for justice the fighter for peace the fighter for equality
He has not Kalashin, but Minishir will do
The Tigrean people, the rebeleous people against injustice



The original was done by Gebretsadiq. Abebe and Abraham have redone it each in their own ways. This one is Abebe Araya's version


Now the Amhara are starting to kiss behind of the Agew already. Thank God our Afar, Kunama, Tigrinyi, Irob Saho never had to do this teret teret

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Re: Amhara = Agew! Two sides of the same coin

Post by Za-Ilmaknun » 11 Apr 2019, 16:52

Axumawi wrote:
11 Apr 2019, 16:28
God is great

Amaram BeAgew tega tega yemilibet gizie Ayen.

Temesgen egziabiher.

I invite you to this first Song (sold in cassettes at the time) of Weyannie some 40 years ago.

The meaning of the lyrics is:

The Tigreans are on the move again after a break of 40 years. The fire that has been hidden is burning again
Young and old, Women and Men, Moslem and Christian is on the march as one people
Agew and Kunama along with Irob, Tigrinyi with Afar...have all said no more opression, we have risen
......etc

The original was done by Gebretsadiq. Abebe and Abraham have redone it each in their own ways. This one is Abebe Araya's version


Now the Amhara are starting to kiss behind of the Agew already. Thank God our Afar, Kunama, Tigrinyi, Irob Saho never had to do this teret teret
You are funny :lol: Can't stop laughing..
Are you again going to wadge a war of liberation from yourselves? or is it to prove that you can't rest until you always are lording over others? Now the turn is given to ODP and you would have to wait for another 27 years to even try anything..lol Why are you so upset that amhara and agews are speaking in unison against your evil intentions?

You and Aite Halafi are the ones who are always doing the tegatega. :lol: :lol:..to the Afar, to the Agew..to Qimant to...you name it except to the Amhara who you think are your nightmare. Those who stand with you must be gullible enough to wallop themselves with your cycle of self destruction. Abdi the Ali is now serving his time in Qality., the Gambelan President is now walking around addis talking to himself and hating the day he put himself on to your payroll., and Bereket the Bekt is now chasing rats in a rat-hole that he built for others....Getachew Asseffa dashing out from the public sphere to save his retired soul.. and so much more .lol Gize degu sintun eyasayen new...

You still are not done talking about Dergu, tho.. :lol: :lol: We missed your jock for the last one year..lol

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Re: Amhara = Agew! Two sides of the same coin

Post by Axumawi » 11 Apr 2019, 17:25

Za-Ilmaknun wrote:
11 Apr 2019, 16:52
Axumawi wrote:
11 Apr 2019, 16:28
God is great

Amaram BeAgew tega tega yemilibet gizie Ayen.

Temesgen egziabiher.

I invite you to this first Song (sold in cassettes at the time) of Weyannie some 40 years ago.

The meaning of the lyrics is:

The Tigreans are on the move again after a break of 40 years. The fire that has been hidden is burning again
Young and old, Women and Men, Moslem and Christian is on the march as one people
Agew and Kunama along with Irob, Tigrinyi with Afar...have all said no more opression, we have risen
......etc

The original was done by Gebretsadiq. Abebe and Abraham have redone it each in their own ways. This one is Abebe Araya's version


Now the Amhara are starting to kiss behind of the Agew already. Thank God our Afar, Kunama, Tigrinyi, Irob Saho never had to do this teret teret
You are funny :lol: Can't stop laughing..
Are you again going to wadge a war of liberation from yourselves? or is it to prove that you can't rest until you always are lording over others? Now the turn is given to ODP and you would have to wait for another 27 years to even try anything..lol Why are you so upset that amhara and agews are speaking in unison against your evil intentions?

You and Aite Halafi are the ones who are always doing the tegatega. :lol: :lol:..to the Afar, to the Agew..to Qimant to...you name it except to the Amhara who you think are your nightmare. Those who stand with you must be gullible enough to wallop themselves with your cycle of self destruction. Abdi the Ali is now serving his time in Qality., the Gambelan President is now walking around addis talking to himself and hating the day he put himself on to your payroll., and Bereket the Bekt is now chasing rats in a rat-hole that he built for others....Getachew Asseffa dashing out from the public sphere to save his retired soul.. and so much more .lol Gize degu sintun eyasayen new...

You still are not done talking about Dergu, tho.. :lol: :lol: We missed your jock for the last one year..lol
Trust me on this one, just this one...

I am elated to see the Amhara already shaky and creating new teret teret of same coin, we are same people, we are one....words which would never have been said a year ago.
When one lives on teret teret and manufactured history, there is no confidence, everything historical is fragile.
We are poor of material wealth, but never ever had to change our tune about people identity or history.

Almost all Tigreans have always had positive view and respectful and as family of nationalities view of the Agew.

That song was done when Dagmay Weyannie were just couple hundred fighters. Yet they sang for the Agew, the Afar, the Kunama, the Irob even then.

What does that tell you.


We never fabricate fiction related to identity of people. ABN and chauvinists accuse us of supporting Agew this time against Amhara, but the Agew people don't buy this fiction and lies. They know Agew has always had special place in our hearts and minds. Its our root.

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Re: Amhara = Agew! Two sides of the same coin

Post by EPRDF » 11 Apr 2019, 23:05

Za-Ilmaknun wrote:
11 Apr 2019, 15:08


EPRDF,
I see no harm in classifying any language with any root in as long as it is done with proper study. That serves the academic curiosity but doesn't make the cushitic identity any less or better than the semitic or nylotic.
Wendime Ilmaknun,

Have I ever said Cushitic identity is better or less than Semitic identity or some sort of similar words as to that. I have just simply tried to state my feeling that I thought might be correct. Never went onto comparison between the two.
The problem is when you simply amalgam hotchpotch of unsubstantiated facts to promote hateful and divisive agenda.
I have never tried to divide people, I rather tried to unify the trio by illustrating the commonalities they have. If you are an Amara, well, be sure that you have either Agaw, Oromo or Tigre blood in your vein, or perhaps all. That's all my point.
You will find peaople of mixed heritage more than quadruple the size of you killil population. Even Getachew Assefa and Meles Zenawi have mixed heritages. It is just self hating and fascistic to say that you are better or worse because you are form one group or another.

I understand the length some of the folks from your killil go in justifying they should perpetually be on top of the food chain.
Dude, are you ok? I don't remember you and I ever spoke or discussed an issue before. What makes you so sure who am I or which kilil or ethnic I am from to talk like this with all certainty. You are in a cyber world buddy just take it easy.

BTW, what is Ilmaknun means? Are you meant to say Ilmajnun in Arabic, means the crazy? Just out of curiosity.

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