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Re: My impression of PIA

Post by Sabur » 09 Feb 2019, 01:42

The Lunatic Dictator crashed Eritrea's Potential to be a beacon of Liberty, freedom and development.

He kills, imprisons or exiles Eritreans with impeccable leadership qualities. He is surrounded by fear, he does not even trust his own shadow, and that is the reason he controls all the security apparatus.

He would rather exact personal revenges than Govern. He is only good at exacting revenge.

He is "too small" to Govern.

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Re: My impression of PIA

Post by Telomerase » 09 Feb 2019, 05:02

Cigar,
I don't know what you are talking about. Clarification needed.

Justo, what are you talking about ? You are incoherent. Eritrea does not a have constitution. The people do not have a voice. Self determination does not exist. The US can elect anyone, and the system holds. Don't compare your ideology to the US. I know deep down you know exactly what is wrong with Eritrea. In your case, it is called greed at the expense of the people. A country without a constitution, that is a joke. The longer this thing drags the more likely Eritrea becomes another Somalia. I am sure you don't care about the risk. BTW, are you in love with Edu :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: My impression of PIA

Post by justo » 09 Feb 2019, 05:56

Telomerase wrote:
09 Feb 2019, 05:02
The people do not have a voice.
You mean you know a country where the people have a voice, how old are you?

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Re: My impression of PIA

Post by YAY » 09 Feb 2019, 17:14

Dear Tolemerase: OK, let us discuss in civil and mature manner

Hopefully we discuss this in a civil and mature manner.
Who is PIA ? What are you trying to figure out?

We all know that he led the struggle to liberate Eritrea. True.

He eliminated any opposing figure or a movement along the way. Jebha Abay is a great testimony to that. He was determined to get rid of it, and he did. Jebha and ShaEbiyya tried, at times, to unite with each other and, at other times, to eliminate each other.

However, his biggest achievement is that he led the movement to victory. True.

How does one understand Tegadaly Isayas. We know that back in the sixties, he was sent to China, and he was exposed to the Chinese way of thinking. Thanks to the wisdom of the Jebha leadership at that time he was sent to China for training.

His personality and thinking was shaped by that experience. Not totally, but partially.

He perhaps is a socialist for life as a consequence. He may be or may not be.

However, we all know China has transformed over the years. Mao and co. are historical skeletons. The Chinese did not defend Eritrea when Meles was doing The his dirty work to sanction it. True, China did not defend Eritrea. China has bought mining investment in Eritrea recently. Things could change.

Actually, Meles preferred the Chinese over the Western nations when it came to doing business. Melless aimed to get help from anyone who can. What if he even preferred China than the West for cost/benefit reasons? That perhaps was his downfall. Melles's downfall was death. TPLF's downfall was, among other things, Melless's death, his "revolutionary democracy" ideology (which was neither revolutionary nor democratic), territorial expansion (a cause for war with Eritrea, and conflicts within Etiyopiya), its defective ethnic governmental structure (a federal with 9 killils while there are 99 language groups), its greed and tribal domination, the high risk it took by extreme dependence on foreign forces for financial, political, diplomatic support, etc.

Coming back to PIA, some twenty years ago, he called the Eritrean religious leaders and warned them no to meddle in politics. So what about it, if true?

He put the independent media personalities behind bars for criticizing his government the way he run it. Were the private media independent? Doubtful. May be not only for criticizing, but also by allegedly collaborating with the G-15 to overthrow the Government, and by allegedly being advised and financed by foreign governments.

The drafted constitution, he shelved it for the unforseable future. The 1997 Constitution was not only drafted, but also "ratified", except that it did not have an effective starting date, a factor that gave PIA the legal options of either to practice it or discard it.

His partners, the main personalities who led the struggle successfully, most of them are behind bars, and have been there for over twenty years. They have been denied justice that long. The Government accused them of an attempt to overthrow the PIA-led Government and brought their case to the Hagerawi Baiyto, and, as a result of the Baiyto's decisions, they are behind bars. The fact that the Government did not kill them as is done in many other countries, is the best part of it.

Eritrea does not have constitution. Yes, it does not have a constitution like some countries, yet, but it is run by laws of a transitional government.

There is no transparency. Partially true, because the Government's distribution of news through media and seminars is limited.

Reform is promised, but never there. What reforms were promised to who by whom and when?

[1] Question is, who is PIA ? Proper question is, in what ways should we all Eritreans cooperate with the Government of Eritrea to transform Eritrea peacefully for the better?

[2]What is his vision for Eritrea ? Better to research and discover.

[3]What is his legacy since independence ? One thing for sure is, he has been making all the decisions by himself. I just don't believe he intends to share power at all. Perhaps he takes it upon himself that he, only he is the protector of the nation, and he has to nurture it to the ultimate nation that he wants it to be. Since he works with others, you should not imagine he makes all decisions by himself. I think he makes some ultimate decisions and shares power with others based on the power the laws of the transitional Government of Eritrea allow him to. I believe he thinks the people of Eritrea, led and organized by the Government, are the defenders and protectors of the nation.

[4] Did he protect the sovereignty of the nation for the last twenty years ? No, not as an individual, but yes, as the President of Eritrea.

[5] Did he defeat the weyanes ? The fact that he refused to even talk to the wayenes, did that help Ethiopians bring the weyanes down to earth ? Partially, yes. PIA's refusal to kneel down to Weyyane's demands increased its vulnerability: the cost of running Weyyane-Etiyopiya's government went so high and Etiyopiya could not pay even the interest of its loans; as well as increased conflicts within Etiyopiya.

[6]What about Eritrea ? Did he share his vision of Eritrea with the Eritrean people ? Where is Eritrea going to be ten years from now ? If Eritrea is going somewhere, economically, it needs huge investments ? To the tune of ten billion dollars a year. As far as I am concerned, foreign capital has to flow to the country from investors outside of the country. The country has to be open and inviting greed to get something to happen. I don't believe PIA would let that happen. He is too controlling to let it go. I want to believe that I am wrong. But, then again, my professional experience tells me otherwise.
Yes, but maybe he did not do it to the extent that satisfies you, or may I say you dismiss them. For example, he announced to the nation that a new constitution is getting drafted. Yemane Gebraab added that it might take 3-5 years to finish. PIA told us that food security is a strategic objective to accomplish. PIA and others did aim to minimize poverty, improve health care, and invite foreign capital to diminish unemployment and improve Eritrea's foreign exchange shortages. Eritrean authorities always invite investors, Eritreans or aliens. Building roads, water reservoirs, extending solar power lines is expected to enhance standards of living of Eritreans and investment opportunities. The two greatest obstacles to the Eritrean economy, in my view, were the state of war with Etiyopiya, and that housing constructions were stalled for a long time. Now, both are generally being removed. Add many other things to these. Stop just complaining or demanding , think positive, be creative and constructive, and let us all help the Government to do its best, so that the situations of our people get better. Let us aim at building one common political system in Eritrea. Organize common discussion forums for narrowing differences. Let us all work together as Eritreans.

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Re: My impression of PIA

Post by Sabur » 10 Feb 2019, 01:08

"The 1997 Constitution was not only drafted, but also "ratified", except that it did not have an effective starting date, a factor that gave PIA the legal options of either to practice it or discard it."--YaY

This is an absolute deviation from what the dictator said openly on the Air in Eri-TV and is an insult to the Intelligence of the Eritrean People. He discarded the Ratified Constitution and even lied to the Eritrean People that a New Constitution is being worked on and People are already assigned for the new Constitution are working on it.

YAY wrote:
09 Feb 2019, 17:14
Dear Tolemerase: OK, let us discuss in civil and mature manner

Hopefully we discuss this in a civil and mature manner.
Who is PIA ? What are you trying to figure out?

We all know that he led the struggle to liberate Eritrea. True.

He eliminated any opposing figure or a movement along the way. Jebha Abay is a great testimony to that. He was determined to get rid of it, and he did. Jebha and ShaEbiyya tried, at times, to unite with each other and, at other times, to eliminate each other.

However, his biggest achievement is that he led the movement to victory. True.

How does one understand Tegadaly Isayas. We know that back in the sixties, he was sent to China, and he was exposed to the Chinese way of thinking. Thanks to the wisdom of the Jebha leadership at that time he was sent to China for training.

His personality and thinking was shaped by that experience. Not totally, but partially.

He perhaps is a socialist for life as a consequence. He may be or may not be.

However, we all know China has transformed over the years. Mao and co. are historical skeletons. The Chinese did not defend Eritrea when Meles was doing The his dirty work to sanction it. True, China did not defend Eritrea. China has bought mining investment in Eritrea recently. Things could change.

Actually, Meles preferred the Chinese over the Western nations when it came to doing business. Melless aimed to get help from anyone who can. What if he even preferred China than the West for cost/benefit reasons? That perhaps was his downfall. Melles's downfall was death. TPLF's downfall was, among other things, Melless's death, his "revolutionary democracy" ideology (which was neither revolutionary nor democratic), territorial expansion (a cause for war with Eritrea, and conflicts within Etiyopiya), its defective ethnic governmental structure (a federal with 9 killils while there are 99 language groups), its greed and tribal domination, the high risk it took by extreme dependence on foreign forces for financial, political, diplomatic support, etc.

Coming back to PIA, some twenty years ago, he called the Eritrean religious leaders and warned them no to meddle in politics. So what about it, if true?

He put the independent media personalities behind bars for criticizing his government the way he run it. Were the private media independent? Doubtful. May be not only for criticizing, but also by allegedly collaborating with the G-15 to overthrow the Government, and by allegedly being advised and financed by foreign governments.

The drafted constitution, he shelved it for the unforseable future. The 1997 Constitution was not only drafted, but also "ratified", except that it did not have an effective starting date, a factor that gave PIA the legal options of either to practice it or discard it.

His partners, the main personalities who led the struggle successfully, most of them are behind bars, and have been there for over twenty years. They have been denied justice that long. The Government accused them of an attempt to overthrow the PIA-led Government and brought their case to the Hagerawi Baiyto, and, as a result of the Baiyto's decisions, they are behind bars. The fact that the Government did not kill them as is done in many other countries, is the best part of it.

Eritrea does not have constitution. Yes, it does not have a constitution like some countries, yet, but it is run by laws of a transitional government.

There is no transparency. Partially true, because the Government's distribution of news through media and seminars is limited.

Reform is promised, but never there. What reforms were promised to who by whom and when?

[1] Question is, who is PIA ? Proper question is, in what ways should we all Eritreans cooperate with the Government of Eritrea to transform Eritrea peacefully for the better?

[2]What is his vision for Eritrea ? Better to research and discover.

[3]What is his legacy since independence ? One thing for sure is, he has been making all the decisions by himself. I just don't believe he intends to share power at all. Perhaps he takes it upon himself that he, only he is the protector of the nation, and he has to nurture it to the ultimate nation that he wants it to be. Since he works with others, you should not imagine he makes all decisions by himself. I think he makes some ultimate decisions and shares power with others based on the power the laws of the transitional Government of Eritrea allow him to. I believe he thinks the people of Eritrea, led and organized by the Government, are the defenders and protectors of the nation.

[4] Did he protect the sovereignty of the nation for the last twenty years ? No, not as an individual, but yes, as the President of Eritrea.

[5] Did he defeat the weyanes ? The fact that he refused to even talk to the wayenes, did that help Ethiopians bring the weyanes down to earth ? Partially, yes. PIA's refusal to kneel down to Weyyane's demands increased its vulnerability: the cost of running Weyyane-Etiyopiya's government went so high and Etiyopiya could not pay even the interest of its loans; as well as increased conflicts within Etiyopiya.

[6]What about Eritrea ? Did he share his vision of Eritrea with the Eritrean people ? Where is Eritrea going to be ten years from now ? If Eritrea is going somewhere, economically, it needs huge investments ? To the tune of ten billion dollars a year. As far as I am concerned, foreign capital has to flow to the country from investors outside of the country. The country has to be open and inviting greed to get something to happen. I don't believe PIA would let that happen. He is too controlling to let it go. I want to believe that I am wrong. But, then again, my professional experience tells me otherwise.
Yes, but maybe he did not do it to the extent that satisfies you, or may I say you dismiss them. For example, he announced to the nation that a new constitution is getting drafted. Yemane Gebraab added that it might take 3-5 years to finish. PIA told us that food security is a strategic objective to accomplish. PIA and others did aim to minimize poverty, improve health care, and invite foreign capital to diminish unemployment and improve Eritrea's foreign exchange shortages. Eritrean authorities always invite investors, Eritreans or aliens. Building roads, water reservoirs, extending solar power lines is expected to enhance standards of living of Eritreans and investment opportunities. The two greatest obstacles to the Eritrean economy, in my view, were the state of war with Etiyopiya, and that housing constructions were stalled for a long time. Now, both are generally being removed. Add many other things to these. Stop just complaining or demanding , think positive, be creative and constructive, and let us all help the Government to do its best, so that the situations of our people get better. Let us aim at building one common political system in Eritrea. Organize common discussion forums for narrowing differences. Let us all work together as Eritreans.

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Re: My impression of PIA

Post by YAY » 10 Feb 2019, 09:17

Dear Sabur: Let us differentiate facts and opinions, first
Sabur wrote:
10 Feb 2019, 01:08
"The 1997 Constitution was not only drafted, but also "ratified", except that it did not have an effective starting date, a factor that gave PIA the legal options of either to practice it or discard it."--YaY

This is an absolute deviation from what the dictator said openly on the Air in Eri-TV and is an insult to the Intelligence of the Eritrean People. He discarded the Ratified Constitution and even lied to the Eritrean People that a New Constitution is being worked on and People are already assigned for the new Constitution are working on it.
From my statement that you quoted above, this first part ( "The 1997 Constitution was not only drafted, but also "ratified", except that it did not have an effective starting date..."), contains three facts---i.e. the Constitution was drafted, was ratified, but did not have a particular date on which it would be legally binding. The second part of my statement which says, ("...a factor that gave PIA the legal options of either to practice it or discard it"), is my opinion.

Now, that said, if you bring an evidence that a date that shows the Constitution would be effective, or legally binding thereafter, then, I will correct my opinion. If you could not find a date on the Constitution that it would be legally effective thereafter, then you should readjust your understanding about it. After that we will together address if there are any deviations from what was said by whom. Note that our effort is to reach at common grounds for us as Eritreans or human beings.
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Re: My impression of PIA

Post by Sabur » 10 Feb 2019, 10:10

YAY,

Leaving semantics aside and trying to spin in the indefensible will not benefit Eritrean and Eritreans. From your response I only see you are trying hard to defend the indefensible, the Dictator.

What are the legal justifications the dictator had to discard the Ratified Constitution? He never gave one.

The Dictator's winding reply to confuse and obfuscate matters leaves listeners and interviewers forget what the question was in the first place.

He said "As everybody knows, there is no constitution. "

Yes, Every Damn Eritrean knows there is no constitution and that is why a constitution was drafted and ratified in 1997 to have one.
And what the interviewers were asking about the "Ratified Constitution" which Eritreans are entitled to know the status of the ratified Constitution.
There is no point for you to go around the bush and bark at the wrong tree. All your replies are intended to clear the dictator's mess he had put Eritrea in.

You even had the audacity to tell Eritreans that G-15 (actually G-13) were trying to overthrow the Government. If they planned to overthrow the government "why would they call for meeting of the Central Council comprised of 75 Members in the fist place". Bring one independent evidence or confession that the G-13 members conspired to overthrow the Government. Even those two members, who abandoned G-15 for reasons unknown, did not mention about overthrowing the Government.

Below is the reply he gave about Ratified Constitution. And only a Congenital Liar and a Lunatic Psychopath can give a winding response like the one below to a straight forward question.

Your Excellency! In last year’s official celebrations of Independence Day, you said that a new constitution would be drafted. What exactly does this mean, putting in to consideration the 1997 national constitution? And what action has so far been taken in this regard?

As everybody knows, there is no constitution. I cannot say there was a constitution which existed or died…I do not even want to bring any excuse about the challenges we have been facing in the last 15 years that were woven to intimidate our existence, sovereignty and development. Majority of our political progress has been under such consistent external ploys and havocs. Thus, the constitution could taken as an already died document before it was declared. Before over ten years, many were suggesting us to declare a state of emergency. But, what they are saying now is another story. However, the constitution is practically a dead document before its declaration. Was it necessary to declare it or not, I think it is of no use to open a platform for an argument. As for us, we do not want to put ourselves in such meaningless issues, but we rather opt to go beyond. Who drafted it, how was it drafted, what was it aimed at? well, we have learnt too much about this issue in the last 15 years. We have learnt many things and upgraded our political maturity. The awareness and the anticipation we had back then comparing with what we are having now is completely different. At that time, due to emotions and goodwill, many things might have been seen. But now, we are highly matured. So, putting in to consideration what we have learnt from our last experience, there must be a Governmental System which helps not only to narrow the gaps among societies but also to protect the recurrence of any sort of gap. Above, the system should ensure the living standard of every national is improved. Based on this, a body is formed to work on it. It is another issue whether the formed body is declared or not. Because, the main concern is the task. This is not a public relations agenda. Since we are well aware of our situations, we perform our job without needless propaganda. As I have said during the Independence Day celebrations, there is a body formed to take charge of it. When it is announced, you can interview this respective body.

There is a methodology that serves in the drafting of the constitution. The most important thing is, when and how would the constitution be prepared and become operational. The former one has become outdated. Since we have learnt too much in the past 15 years, the new one should be better and that serves for the future. The document is just a means but not an end. In this country, where huge sacrifice of life and time has been paid, what we prefer is a system that takes us to the path we aspire to go and that could lead us towards achieving the big objectives I have mentioned earlier.

Since, the system is not by itself an end; the process is progressing without any hasty in the right time. We do not want to put ourselves in an argument about how and what it would look like. This is our domestic issue and the document is not for external political gain. The document we are drafting is aimed to serve for the huge sacrifices we paid for a number of generations, to take us to the journey we aspire to reach and to the chapter we are looking to be in. Thus, it is not an issue where we ask for external support or acclaim. So, it would be practically prepared passing through needed research and preparation and without any publicity. Everybody is ought to understand the document in the fact that it is aimed to sever neither individuals not to minorities interest. This document takes in to account the future of this country and not the interests of individuals. There is nobody who works on the document to make it perfect and without any errors.But, there should be a document that serves for the transformation that is in the near horizon. There is a procedure on how to rectify or make amendments. Thus, for the time being, it is suffice enough if we understand the document is not a perfect one but it would rather continually revised. Everybody who wills to make contribution is the country is most welcomed. Many have been sending their suggestions and shared their views in different forms. I am stating this in a time where we entered to a new transitional chapter. So, we could make humble deliberations in a time where we are setting up or drafting a system that serves the people. A body has been set up in the last six months and we would steadily publicize on how this body operates.

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Re: My impression of PIA

Post by YAY » 10 Feb 2019, 11:20

Dear Sabur: Let us establish the fact about the date, please

As Simon M. Weldehaimanot confirmed in http://www.scielo.org.za/pdf/ahrlj/v8n1/07.pdf, Dr. Bereket Habte Selassie, "the Commissioner" admits the fact that the 1997 Eritrean Constitution did not have "a definite effective date." See page 122, footnote #88, please.
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In this regard, the Commissioner lamented: ‘I see that it was a mistake to be too trusting of the government and not to insert in the Constitution a definite effective date.’ BH Selassie ‘Grammar of politics: The Eritrean Constitution and its implementation (part seven)’ (2004) http://www.asmarino.com (accessed 31 January 2008)
Do you agree to this fact or not? That is the fact we all Eritreans need to establish. My aim is not to politically defend this or that entity but to defend the truth in this case. Please focus on that particular issue for now, and answer it honestly. I assume you are a justice lover, and that is what shall unite us. Justice cannot hold without establishing facts/truths. There is no justice without taking facts/truths as a basis.

If you are not ready to admit this fact, it means we are going over a vicious circle.

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Re: My impression of PIA

Post by Sabur » 10 Feb 2019, 12:56


YAY:

This is your argument that the Draft Commissioners made a mistake by trusting the government not to insert a definite date.
The dictator then found "a very good reason to abolish the Ratified Constitution". How low can we go, YAY.
This is about Eritrea and the Eritrean People

As if inserting a definite date would matter with the dictator. He abolishes institutions whenever he wants and arrests people when ever he wants. It is written on the Walls for every one to see -what he does.

By the way, the dictator never mentions about its effective/non-effective date, he simply said "the constitution is practically a dead document before its declaration"

"ኣየ በዓል: ንሱ ንሕና : ንሕና ንሱ " always trying to defend the indefensible.

You accused the G-15 of attempting to overthrow the Government, but when asked to bring an Independent evidence you would not mince a word.

ኣሽካዕላል - ጽንጽዋይ'ካ ይትረፈና ::



YAY wrote:
10 Feb 2019, 11:20
Dear Sabur: Let us establish the fact about the date, please

As Simon M. Weldehaimanot confirmed in http://www.scielo.org.za/pdf/ahrlj/v8n1/07.pdf, Dr. Bereket Habte Selassie, "the Commissioner" admits the fact that the 1997 Eritrean Constitution did not have "a definite effective date." See page 122, footnote #88, please.
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In this regard, the Commissioner lamented: ‘I see that it was a mistake to be too trusting of the government and not to insert in the Constitution a definite effective date.’ BH Selassie ‘Grammar of politics: The Eritrean Constitution and its implementation (part seven)’ (2004) http://www.asmarino.com (accessed 31 January 2008)
Do you agree to this fact or not? That is the fact we all Eritreans need to establish. My aim is not to politically defend this or that entity but to defend the truth in this case. Please focus on that particular issue for now, and answer it honestly. I assume you are a justice lover, and that is what shall unite us. Justice cannot hold without establishing facts/truths. There is no justice without taking facts/truths as a basis.

If you are not ready to admit this fact, it means we are going over a vicious circle.


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Re: My impression of PIA

Post by Awash » 10 Feb 2019, 23:01

Kinda like Pushkin in Penetentieria


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