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What Kind of Political Ideology Do We Need? LIBERAL NATIONALISM. (Medemer = Liberal Ethiopianism)

Post by Horus » 10 Jan 2019, 00:59

I.
It seems now that the Ethiopian political elites or class has in principle accepted the wisdom of organizing around 3-4 large and effective parties. Parties are necessary organization that articulate political processes and formulate policies that guide a government. Following the general acceptance of a few large nation-wide parties, the next issue has become the ideologies on these parties are formed.


Currently, 3 'political ideologies' are identified as possible organizing principles or theories - liberal democratic, social-democratic & revolutionary democratic 'ideologies'. There is no such an ideology known as 'revolutionary democracy'. This a Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist Maoist ideology and has nothing to do with democracy. Revolutionary democracy is actually radical or Marxian authoritarianism or dictatorship of one party or dictatorship of one group or one so-called class - be it the peasantry, working class or the petite-bourgeoisie. This is a rejected ideology and it is used by tribal nationalism because ethnic identity politics has no ideology or philosophy of its own. It is now the carrier of the defunct authoritarian and fascistic ideologies in our society.

II.
In my view, we are left with 2 closely related democratic ideologies- liberal and social democratic. In fact social democracy is founded on liberal principles of liberty (freedom) and equality and extends the principle of justice into social, economic cultural spheres. My purpose here is not to talk about the distinction or similarity or evaluation of these 2 ideologies.


Rather I want to talk about these ideologies in the Ethiopian context. At the very core of a political ideology we have our beliefs and vaues on how our society and political system should be organized and managed. Hence, the first requirement is to define our national agena, our goals and stratgies.

III.
This is the Ethiopian Agenda: We want a united, stable, & strong nation (state/country). We want a free, democratic & just Ethiopian society.We want a prosperous, educated & healthy Ethiopian people. We want a creative, ecologically balanced, & spiritually (morally) grounded culture.

IV.
Our next task is to ask: What kind of organizing principle, what kind of political system, what kind of institutions ensure the achievement of the above national agenda? In other words, our national agenda is our criteria of selection for the type ideology.


There are 100s of related political ideas and more articulated political ideologies in this world. But Ethiopia is unigue nation with its own unique existence. In other words, the most precisely and immediate ideology must use is Ethiopianism. Ethiopianism is nationalism, it is the ideology of Ethiopian nationalism. But Ethiopianism by iitself is cannot be a complete poliitcal philosophy and political ideology. Hence...


We choose Liberalism- the principle of free individual, individual rights, liberty, equality, tolerance and civility. This particular political ideology is known as Liberal Nationalism or Civic Nationalism. As we speak, these is a new party in the process of forming by AG7, Blue, Unity, EDP and others on the principle of citizenship or civic principles. These same new party holds as its core value the unity of the Ethiopian nation.


In short, the precise politcal ideology that guide this party is alled Liberal Nationaism (Liberla Ethiopianism). As I said this ideology is also called Civic Nationaism. It is simply a combination of Liberal Democracy with Ethiopian Nationalism.


I will link longer articles for you deeper reading. But for a lot students of politics it shuld not be new.

V.
The opposite of Liberal nationalism is ethnic or tribal nationalism about which we know a lot. And, one can examine that ethnic nationalism has no political principles or ideology. It does not say whether it is liberal, marxist or fascist. This is why EPRDF really has no ideology and has political theory or political philosphy. It simply organizes people based on identity and tries to apply concept that have nothing to do with identity or culture or history.


Now you know why is a pure chaos and crisis. I have always said that tribaism was not a poliitcal concept or a poliitcal category.
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Re: Ideology: Ethiopian Liberal Nationalism vs. Authoritarian Ethnic Nationalism

Post by Horus » 10 Jan 2019, 02:25

Masud,
Are you smart? I am literally solving the whole ideological issue. If you serious, read what I am posting here. (1) there is no ideology known as revolutionary democracy. (2) ethnic nationalism has political principle or theory. It is simply identity concept. (3) Liberal Nationalism (Liberal Ethiopianism) is exactly the political ideology of the new party.

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Re: Ideology: Ethiopian Liberal Nationalism vs. Authoritarian Ethnic Nationalism

Post by Masud » 10 Jan 2019, 05:09

Horus,
I read the garbage you put together, but I regret for reading it because it is waste of my precious time. Now, I knew that you are a person who couldn't write a single paragraph with consistent ideas and flows. In one sentence you said "There is no such an ideology known as 'revolutionary democracy" and in the next sentence you said "This is a rejected ideology". If it is not an ideology, how do you consider it is a rejected ideology? Do think Communism is not an ideology simply it was rejected by certain groups?

You also said "Ethiopia is unique". This is what TPLF/EPRDF used to tell us for the last 27 years and their justification to choose Revolutionary Democracy. Every country has its own uniqueness and this couldn't be a justification for the choice of ideology and the ideology that you wanted to recommend for Ethiopia.

You also said "As we speak, these is a new party in the process of forming by AG7, Blue, Unity, EDP and others..." blah blah so what? Are you worried that the founding members of that party may be influenced and reject Liberal Democratic ideology? You can write a book, not article, if you can to influence the members of Berhanu's new party, but all will be a futile exercise. They can embrace Liberal democratic ideology or Neo-liberalism, but they can win the election and take government power in Ethiopia.


Horus wrote:
10 Jan 2019, 00:59
I.
It seems now that the Ethiopian political elites or class has in principle accepted the wisdom of organizing around 3-4 large and effective parties. Parties are necessary organization that articulate political processes and formulate policies that guide a government. Following the general acceptance of a few large nation-wide parties, the next issue has become the ideologies on these parties are formed.


Currently, 3 'political ideologies' are identified as possible organizing principles or theories - liberal democratic, social-democratic & revolutionary democratic 'ideologies'. There is no such an ideology known as 'revolutionary democracy'. This a Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist Maoist ideology and has nothing to do with democracy. Revolutionary democracy is actually radical or Marxian authoritarianism or dictatorship of one party or dictatorship of one group or one so-called class - be it the peasantry, working class or the petite-bourgeoisie. This is a rejected ideology and it is used by tribal nationalism because ethnic identity politics has no ideology or philosophy of its own. It is now the carrier of the defunct authoritarian and fascistic ideologies in our society.

II.
In my view, we are left with 2 closely related democratic ideologies- liberal and social democratic. In fact social democracy is founded on liberal principles of liberty (freedom) and equality and extends the principle of justice into social, economic cultural spheres. My purpose here is not to talk about the distinction or similarity or evaluation of these 2 ideologies.


Rather I want to talk about these ideologies in the Ethiopian context. At the very core of a political ideology we have our beliefs and vaues on how our society and political system should be organized and managed. Hence, the first requirement is to define our national agena, our goals and stratgies.

III.
This is the Ethiopian Agenda: We want a united, stable, & strong nation (state/country). We want a free, democratic & just Ethiopian society.We want a prosperous, educated & healthy Ethiopian people. We want a creative, ecologically balanced, & spiritually (morally) grounded culture.

IV.
Our next task is to ask: What kind of organizing principle, what kind of political system, what kind of institutions ensure the achievement of the above national agenda? In other words, our national agenda is our criteria of selection for the type ideology.


There are 100s of related political ideas and more articulated political ideologies in this world. But Ethiopia is unigue nation with its own unique existence. In other words, the most precisely and immediate ideology must use is Ethiopianism. Ethiopianism is nationalism, it is the ideology of Ethiopian nationalism. But Ethiopianism by iitself is cannot be a complete poliitcal philosophy and political ideology. Hence...


We choose Liberalism- the principle of free individual, individual rights, liberty, equality, tolerance and civility. This particular political ideology is known as Liberal Nationalism or Civic Nationalism. As we speak, these is a new party in the process of forming by AG7, Blue, Unity, EDP and others on the principle of citizenship or civic principles. These same new party holds as its core value the unity of the Ethiopian nation.


In short, the precise politcal ideology that guide this party is alled Liberal Nationaism (Liberla Ethiopianism). As I said this ideology is also called Civic Nationaism. It is simply a combination of Liberal Democracy with Ethiopian Nationalism.


I will link longer articles for you deeper reading. But for a lot students of politics it shuld not be new.

V.
The opposite of Liberal nationalism is ethnic or tribal nationalism about which we know a lot. And, one can examine that ethnic nationalism has no political principles or ideology. It does not say whether it is liberal, marxist or fascist. This is why EPRDF really has no ideology and has political theory or political philosphy. It simply organizes people based on identity and tries to apply concept that have nothing to do with identity or culture or history.


Now you know why is a pure chaos and crisis. I have always said that tribaism was not a poliitcal concept or a poliitcal category.

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Re: Ideology: Ethiopian Liberal Nationalism vs. Authoritarian Ethnic Nationalism

Post by Horus » 10 Jan 2019, 14:55

masud,
Save the stupid insult and here is the point.

I should have put "revolutionary democracy" in quotes as it is a false concept. This TPLF concept was coined by the Marxist-Leninist League of Tigray, a handful of Woyane Tigray petite Bourgeoise faking the role of a working class. We have seen the dictatorship of this illiterate middle school drop out petit bourgeois thieves and torturers and this so called revolutionary democracy copied from defunct communist books is what was used to kill Ethiopia and loot her wealth.

There is no such a thing known as a revolutionary democratic ideology on planet earth. Ethiopian political elites need to stop spreading a non-existent idea in our democratic political discourse.


Ethiopianism as Liberal Nationalism.

Obbo Lemma Megersa has said that Ethiopianism is a Sus. It is this Idea of Ethiopianism that guided the struggle against Woyane Tigray fascism and led to its demise. It is this battle cry of Ethiopianism that guiding our battle against the darkness and destruction of tribalism. It is this Idea of Ethiopianism that is motivating folks like Abiye to the leadership the African continent.

Whciviat is Ethiopianism in the unique, particular, specific context of our current march toward a constitutional democracy? It is called LIBERAL NATIONAISM.

What is LIBERAL NATIONALISM?

Liberal National is (Netsa Biharawinet) is Democratic Ethiopianism. (1) it is the ideology of a united, stable, and strong Ethiopian nation. (2) It is the ideology of civic nationalism; that is, it is a citizenship nationalism. Ethiopia is now becoming a modern constitutional political community founded of the liberty and equality every citizen. Ye zega politics is now becoming the fundamental political principle the Ethiopian society. (3) These free and equal citizens of the emerging democratic Ethiopia have a glorious National Identity - Ethiopianism (Ethiopiawinet).. (4) Hence, the precisely applicable and sufficient ideology this newly emerging Democratic Ethiopia is simply LIBERAL NATIONALISM (or LIBERAL ETHIOPIANISM).

Is LIBERAL ETHIOPIANISM liberal democracy or social democracy?

Each party can enumerate the specific programmatic agenda in its political platform. Parties can be on the left, center or right side of the political spectrum. But in terms of the philosophical, ideological and theoretical issues - every party agrees on the principles of liberty, freedom, equality, social justice, environmental justice as well as the unity, integrity and stability of the Ethiopia nation.

It is simply An Ethiopian Liberal Nationalism.

Read about it. Talk about it. Articulate it. Grasp it.

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Re: What Kind of Political Ideology Do We Need? LIBERAL NATIONALISM

Post by Masud » 10 Jan 2019, 15:27

Horus,
Yihew Ke Ekuyah Musie Tegegn gar tengetaget!


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Re: What Kind of Political Ideology Do We Need? LIBERAL NATIONALISM

Post by Horus » 10 Jan 2019, 21:59

masud -- FYI. I am ignoring you.

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Re: What Kind of Political Ideology Do We Need? LIBERAL NATIONALISM

Post by Horus » 11 Jan 2019, 02:18

masud,
you asked me when and where Ermias talked about the 3 ideologies? you know you are rude, lazy tigray cadre. Go to ESAT and listen ELETAWI programs. You can avoid listening to ESAT at your own peril. Ethiopia will eradicate TPLF cancer. It is your business to follow how we do it. Idiot?

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Post by Horus » 11 Jan 2019, 02:38

As I promised, I will now provide reading and research sources on 'Civic Nationalism' or 'Liberal Nationalism' available online. Those who want more academic source can delve into the sub-field of ideologies of nationalism and also the very important field of political psychology.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civic_nationalism

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Re: What Kind of Political Ideology Do We Need? LIBERAL NATIONALISM

Post by Sam Ebalalehu » 11 Jan 2019, 03:10

Your mentioning of “ revolutionary democracy” reminded me one of the ideological fight EPRP and MESON had been through. EPRP advocated democracy without restriction — democracy yalegedeb. MESON cried foul. The party advocated democracy with restriction. Only the proletariat and the working class should enjoy it — meaning democracy with Gedeb.
EPRP wrote one of its best article regarding the issue titled “ democracy silu and democracy snel.” In Democracia EPRP argued when we said democracy without restriction it means the peasants and the workers enjoy democracy to the fullest, not the bourgeois and the landlords. Historically EPRP argued democracy is class based. In capitalism the bourgeois enjoys democracy , and in socialism the working class. I just pointed out what happened between EPRP and MESON to show both parties know what the other side was saying, but intentionally acted as if it did not. The difference between “ gedeb” and “yalegdeb” was created to plant in people minds they had policy differences. But in the context of the definition of democracy they had not. Well, we are a long way from that type of democracy at least in theory. But in practice we have not moved an inch for the last nearly three decades. But recently we starting to hope ...

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Re: What Kind of Political Ideology Do We Need? LIBERAL NATIONALISM

Post by Horus » 11 Jan 2019, 03:38

Sam,

Let me agree with you and add. EPRP & MESON should have never used the word 'democracy'. Democracy is not a socialist or communist concept. It is not a class concept. In other words if one person exercises power over other, a party over others, a group over others or a class over others- should not even use the word 'democracy'.

Cracy (kerati - Greek) simply means rule or power. Dema (as in Adam, Adem, Adamie) means people. So, when we say 'Rule by the people' or Power of the people', what do we mean? How do people rule?

The first requirement is that there must be a person, an individual who has free choice. This is a supreme principle. A person has to have liberty or he must be 'liber' (Latin -Free) to choose. It is this Free Citizen who chooses to give his power to his representative to rule on his behalf just like a power of attorney. We put all the citizens doing the same thing by means of voting or in a direct democracy in a city hall, that is what we call - democracy and rule by the people or a democratic state. It is this elementary concept that EPRP/Meson did not want accept and confused communist (collective dictatorship) with democracy (rule of the people by means representation).

Now apply the same collective or class dictatorship to 'ethnocracy' - rule by the tribe. In effect thereis little difference between the dictatorship of the working class from the dictatorship the ethnic group. The only difference is the 'working' 'class' is an economic concept. The worker group is defined by their economic standing and the 'ethnic' 'group' is based on genetics, race or blood. From the standpoint of power and democracy, they are exactly the same.

That is where you see 'revolutionary democracy' naked and clear.

Kair !

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Re: What Kind of Political Ideology Do We Need? LIBERAL NATIONALISM

Post by Horus » 11 Jan 2019, 04:18

Every body agrees with Liberty or Liberalism and what it means. Liberal Nationalism is an Ideology. In other words Liberal Ethiopianism is an ideology.

What is the Basis of Ethiopian Nationalism? The working class in defined by its position in the industrial economy. The peasant class is defined by its position in the agrarian economy. The ethnic nationalist is defined by birth, genetics, blood, or race. How is the civic nationalist, the Ethiopian nationalist defined?

Civic means city. A citizen is member of a community who live in a city, city state or Ager. The identity of Ethiopianism is defined by living in a country or territory known as Ethiopia. Ethiopianism is land/ager based concept. A citizen chooses to live Ethiopia and is called Ethiopian. We call the civic nationalist or liberal nationalist because while living on the Ethiopian soil the citizen has voluntarily chosen or elected be member of the constitutional political community - the Ethiopian Nation and State.

In other words, the Liberal Ethiopian Nationalist is a person with full liberties, freedoms, rights, equalities, and responsibilities. The concept of Liberal Nationalism meets the requirements of collective historical experiences of the Ethiopian people. It meets the requirements of the political psychology of the Ethiopian people - their motivational, emotional, cognitive, perceptual and memorial realities and needs of the Ethiopian people. There is a reason why Lemma said that Ethiopia is a 'sus'. Liberal nationalism meets the political poliitcal, social, economic, development and cultural goals of the people hence the programmatic challenges of political parties. Most of all it meets the vision of her leaders for a great forward looking Ethiopian nation that is a leader of Africa.

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Re: What Kind of Political Ideology Do We Need? LIBERAL NATIONALISM. (Medemer = Liberal Ethiopianism)

Post by Masud » 11 Jan 2019, 06:18

Can someone help this confused Fuga Uragie? He is suffering to create an ideology for his AG7. :lol: Meles Zenawi is willing to help him for now. :mrgreen:


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Post by Horus » 11 Jan 2019, 10:38

Ethiopiawinet----Ethiopianism


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Post by Horus » 11 Jan 2019, 14:25

THE IDEOLOGY OF LIBERAL ETHIOPIANISM

I am simply excited in that AG7 is standing its ground on the idea of Ethiopianism. As we speak, every time of chaos, every type of violence and war is the product, the outcome or the consequence of tribalism or ethnic identity ideology. The direct opposite and solution for the cancer of ethnicity is none other than ETHIOPIANISM. AG7 shall stand on its principle of Ethiopiawinet as one pillar of its party ideology and combine the principles of Freedom and Equality with Ethiopiawinet. This is precisely the definition of LIBERAL NATIONALISM - a united, stable, strong, democratic, free, just and prosperous Ethiopia. What is the IDENTITY of the FREE Ethiopian CITIZEN? He/she is ETHIOPIAN. It is that simple.

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Re: What Kind of Political Ideology Do We Need? LIBERAL NATIONALISM. (Medemer = Liberal Ethiopianism)

Post by Medo » 11 Jan 2019, 15:43

Horus, how old are you? Have you visited Ethiopia recently? For how long? Do you think all Ethiopians are thinking like you out of finfinne and pockets of south? What do you think are the people of oromia somali Afar benishangul Harar gambela tigray most south parts of Amhara..aren't they Ethiopians? Are you saying they support the neo neftegna gm botte one country one language one religion stance? Do you think they support their ill historical narratives? How? Why? That ie why I say you are irrelevant. To check this come and study current Ethiopian realities with highly politically concious and and vigilant society that that always wants to move forward than going backward by the horus of.......... :lol:

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Re: What Kind of Political Ideology Do We Need? LIBERAL NATIONALISM. (Medemer = Liberal Ethiopianism)

Post by Horus » 11 Jan 2019, 21:34

medo=masud,mred…. etc... etc...

I have ignored you because you have lost the game after 27 years of middle school muddling .
Now, sit back enjoy how knowledge works, how society is organized and led. You will more about the IDEOLOGY OF LIBERAL ETHIOPIANISM. Tribalism is dead, but yet buried. So it the corpse of tribalism that stinking Ethiopia right now.

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Re: What Kind of Political Ideology Do We Need? LIBERAL NATIONALISM. (Medemer = Liberal Ethiopianism)

Post by Horus » 12 Jan 2019, 01:10

Here is one debate on issues of Ethiopianism and Ethiopian citizenship …


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Post by Horus » 12 Jan 2019, 13:00

Listen to this video carefully. The only solution to this eternal crisis of tribalism OR ETHNIC NATIONALISM is the politics Ethiopian Zeginet. THIS IS THE IDEOLOGY OF LIBERAL ETHIOPIANISM - LIBERTY AND JUSTICE BASED ETHIOPIAN NATIONALISM.

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Post by Sam Ebalalehu » 12 Jan 2019, 14:48

Let us spice up the discussion. Let us bring the two known political figures to the discussion : Stalin and Hitler. Let us see what they were saying about democracy. What is democracy ?” asked Stalin when he announced the new Soviet constitution in November 1936. “ democracy in capitalist countries ... is , in the last analysis , democracy for the strong , democracy for the propertied minority.” The soviet people Stalin continued only needed one party because there was no longer division between capitalists and workers, landlords and peasants. Hitler seemed to have agreed with Stalin. In 1937 Hitler gave a long speech on the nature of democracy to local party leaders in which he , too, explained that only one party was needed in a society united with one will. He further said “we cannot tolerate an opposition ... for it would certainly always result again in decomposition.” When the EPDRF proclaimed a few years ago it won 100 percent of the parliament seat , it was talking the language of those two dictators.

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Post by Horus » 12 Jan 2019, 16:07

Sam,
Exactly. Except all came to the point by different route. Here is how.

Stalin claimed that following the eradication of capitalism or the bourgeoise, the working class can use its state to exercise its dictatorship. In order to meet the requirements of choice, elections are held but only a free person can choose and choosing implies availability of choices or alternatives. In the absence of alternatives to choose from, the notion of election or voting is a fallacy. So, even a communist who supported a working class state would find such a system to be fake. Remember, we are not even talking about the insoluble problematic of' from each according to his ability to each according to his needs' and the communist bureaucracy. But at least Stalin had a philosophy, ideology and theory.


Hitler on the hand used Hegel's idea of the general will. If you remeber, during the long debate about the individual, liberty, freedom of choice, free will and how the legitimate powers of the state was created, the big question was how do individuals aggregate their wills into a collective will, a collective power, into a state power. Hegel pushed this idea to its ultimate abstraction where the essence of this collective to be the state as a final collective will and that is what Hitler took to be the German state. In these case, it was not the working class as Stalin's but the German Natzi- the nation (the Nati) is actually more like the tribe or the native than a modern nation.

EPRDF is similar to these 2 only is defective form. The motely collective tribal organization are a bunch of stupid persons who muddle in darkness. They are neither a' working class organizations'; nor are they an Ethiopian nationalist Natzi like or fascist (fasci/Fasha means a bundle of twigs) states. They were essentially so anti-Ethiopia they hardly use the word Ethiopia. The Woyane MLLT tried a modern day CLAN DICTATORSHIP riding on the other tribal mules and now it is one big drama !!! So, ERPRDF is simply a historical confusion that managed to exist for quarter century in an intellectually underdeveloped society.

By the way, if any one the 80 or so tribal organizations try to impose their tribal rule over other by any type justification, it will be like the Natxi party. So, when an Oromo party or Amara party tries to recruit other tribes, that is like Natzism.

Ethiopia must move decisively onto the world of free persons, freely choosing liber individuals, equality and justice. While we are building this political liberty, democracy and social justice, we have to make sure we have a foundation to stand on, a nation to live in, a country for a sustainable civilization --- that is the Ethiopian nation, that is Ethiopianism. No Ethiopian nation means no democracy, no liberty, no equality, no justice, no peace, no development and no civilization.


People can call it whatever they want. What we pro-liberty, pro-justice and pro-Ethiopia talking about is called CIVIC NATIONALISM OR LIBERAL NATIONALISM, and hence LIBERAL ETHIOPIANISM.


KAIR !
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