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The case why TPLF, OLF et al. Should reject ethnic federalism

Post by eden » 03 Jan 2019, 18:44


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Re: The case why TPLF, OLF et al. Should reject ethnic federalism

Post by Halafi Mengedi » 03 Jan 2019, 18:50

You think Oromo will live as federal, you are very naive to think. Oromo are waiting until they organize and declare their independent. The same for Somali too. Tigray will not live with Amhara, it is totally broken and will not repair and we do not trust them.

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Re: The case why TPLF, OLF et al. Should reject ethnic federalism

Post by Ethoash » 03 Jan 2019, 18:52

eden wrote:
03 Jan 2019, 18:44
why because the white man say it.. there is no "ethic federalism " in it is pure form .. had we followed ethnic state or ethinc fed. in it is pure form then we would have 80 ethnic fed. not 9 ... right there tell u we dont have pure ethnic federalism as it is understood wrongly .. in oromo region or fed. region there are many ethnic that live there who are native but their number might be total 15% so they decided to use afan oromia that all oromo fed. doesnt means only for oromo and amhara region doesnt mean for Amhara only .. Tigray doesnt mean only for Tigray Somalia case only different .. otherwise everyone have more then one ethnic including 50 in southern region ...

i know most oromo and Amhara misunderstood the meaning of ethnic fed. system and say oromia for oromo get out of oromia etc .. just because oromo is wrong doesnt mean the constitution is wrong

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Re: The case why TPLF, OLF et al. Should reject ethnic federalism

Post by eden » 03 Jan 2019, 19:05

You guys should post counter arguments, not condeminations. The Prof. makes powerful arguments. At least, present arguments for your case.
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Re: The case why TPLF, OLF et al. Should reject ethnic federalism

Post by Sadacha Macca » 03 Jan 2019, 19:06

do you know of another way to get self rule for oromo, somali, afar, and others, who will not settle for less than self determination?

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Re: The case why TPLF, OLF et al. Should reject ethnic federalism

Post by eden » 03 Jan 2019, 19:44

Sadach

self determination could be a never ending cascade that leads to never ending fragmentation. These ethnic groups don't live together in their respective area. they live inter mixed.

territorial federation is the way so both majority and minority have equal access to the resources of the mother land.

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Re: The case why TPLF, OLF et al. Should reject ethnic federalism

Post by Ethoash » 04 Jan 2019, 12:07

eden wrote:
03 Jan 2019, 19:44
Sadach

self determination could be a never ending cascade that leads to never ending fragmentation. These ethnic groups don't live together in their respective area. they live inter mixed.

territorial federation is the way so both majority and minority have equal access to the resources of the mother land.
self determination is the glue that hold us together.. just because u buy life insurance u dont kill yourself... just because u have divorce right u dont divorce your wife..so it is self determination is counter-intuitive ... if we dont have it we break away if we have it we stay together knowing if it doesn't work we will apart .. self determination also is not break away .. it is governing your own region so what is wrong governing your own region .. self determination is like independent without breaking away the country.. for example if u committed crime and run away from TX TO NY the TX CANT FOLLOW TO TX AND ARREST YOU IN NY.. THEY STOP at their border and tell the NY POLICE TO ARREST. U IN USA each and every state is an independent nation connected by fed. system ... they enjoy every independent nation that they enjoy but they r one country.. how could i explain

let take oromia they will have their own flag, language everything that Eritrea as nation enjoy but oromia is connected with Amhara and golden with fed. government at state government level they r totally an independent nation so now why in hell they going to break away if they r already break away nation and enjoy what Eritrea enjoy as independent nation

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Re: The case why TPLF, OLF et al. Should reject ethnic federalism

Post by Sam Ebalalehu » 04 Jan 2019, 13:49

Every time I read a TPLF or an OLF cadre bizzare statment which states having the right to self-determination that glued Ethiopian ethnicities together , I wonder if such a person knows what he is saying. Self-determination in Ethiopia is a silly concept, which is practically impossible to implement. The concept of self-determination was embraced by the Russian Lenin and the American former president Woodrow Willson. The former had opposed the Russification of many ethnic groups, say Gorgians and Ukrainians. The latter welcomed self-determination hoping it deterred the expansion of imperialism, believing it will be a means to have sovereign, independent African and Asian countries. The two leaders however will never imagine a few decades down the road a few unread, slogan loving, college dropouts in Ethiopia make political capital out of it. Moreover, it is only politicians who have no any concept of what they were doing who could write it in the country’s constitution. Ethiopia was ruled by idiots for the last twenty-seven years.

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Re: The case why TPLF, OLF et al. Should reject ethnic federalism

Post by eden » 04 Jan 2019, 19:06

The questions are:
  • What do you do with, say, Amaras who live in Oromia.They have their own Region like few others but they live elsewhere
  • What do you do with, say, Siltes who live in Oromia.They don't have their own Region. Same for 70 + groups.
  • Some Regions' areas have majority "non natives" Does minorty get to rule majority? I hear this is the case in Harrar and Diredawa.
Ethoash wrote:
04 Jan 2019, 12:07
eden wrote:
03 Jan 2019, 19:44
Sadach

self determination could be a never ending cascade that leads to never ending fragmentation. These ethnic groups don't live together in their respective area. they live inter mixed.

territorial federation is the way so both majority and minority have equal access to the resources of the mother land.
self determination is the glue that hold us together.. just because u buy life insurance u dont kill yourself... just because u have divorce right u dont divorce your wife..so it is self determination is counter-intuitive ... if we dont have it we break away if we have it we stay together knowing if it doesn't work we will apart .. self determination also is not break away .. it is governing your own region so what is wrong governing your own region .. self determination is like independent without breaking away the country.. for example if u committed crime and run away from TX TO NY the TX CANT FOLLOW TO TX AND ARREST YOU IN NY.. THEY STOP at their border and tell the NY POLICE TO ARREST. U IN USA each and every state is an independent nation connected by fed. system ... they enjoy every independent nation that they enjoy but they r one country.. how could i explain

let take oromia they will have their own flag, language everything that Eritrea as nation enjoy but oromia is connected with Amhara and golden with fed. government at state government level they r totally an independent nation so now why in hell they going to break away if they r already break away nation and enjoy what Eritrea enjoy as independent nation

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Re: The case why TPLF, OLF et al. Should reject ethnic federalism

Post by Misraq » 04 Jan 2019, 19:30

I really want Olf & Tplf to hang on to ethnic federalism. Like any young and upcoming Neftegna, I feel revenge and restoring honour is a must.

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Re: The case why TPLF, OLF et al. Should reject ethnic federalism

Post by Sadacha Macca » 04 Jan 2019, 20:10

Misraq wrote:
04 Jan 2019, 19:30
I really want Olf & Tplf to hang on to ethnic federalism. Like any young and upcoming Neftegna, I feel revenge and restoring honour is a must.
Federalism is bigger than TPLF AND OLF-did you forget that the EPRDF is made up of ANDM/ADP AND OPDO/ODP too, both of which support federalism?
So, if u wish to fight over this, keep in mind that you'll be meeting oromos, somalis, and others in battle; not a few OLF cadres or something.
As far as tplf goes, i do not care what u want to do with them, that's between you and them.

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Re: The case why TPLF, OLF et al. Should reject ethnic federalism

Post by Ethoash » 05 Jan 2019, 04:15

eden wrote:
04 Jan 2019, 19:06
The questions are:
  • What do you do with, say, Amaras who live in Oromia.They have their own Region like few others but they live elsewhere
  • What do you do with, say, Siltes who live in Oromia.They don't have their own Region. Same for 70 + groups.
  • Some Regions' areas have majority "non natives" Does minorty get to rule majority? I hear this is the case in Harrar and Diredawa.
Ethoash wrote:
04 Jan 2019, 12:07
Haile Gebrselassie is Amhara heritage but he is an Amhara oromo who lived 150 years 4th generation oromia .. so u can live in oromia and enjoy full right of oromia region the only responsableity is you must learn afan oromia ,,, i dont think haile Gebrselassie knows afan oromia after living there for 150 years. born their too.

again you mixing province with fed. state oromia is state under state we can have as many counties we want .. therefore Siltes and other ethnic can have their own zone..

i will give u an example USA state have only 50 or 52 state but under state we will have many countries let take 3 state
There are 62 counties in the state of New York.
The U.S. state of Texas is divided into 254 counties,
There are 39 counties in the U.S. state of Washington.

the same way oromia is not one ውጥ ሐገር በውስጡ ብዙ ዞኖችን ይዞዋል

i know most people doesnt understand the constitution or the Constitution might not be clear the idea is not to make the region or the state or the ክልል, አንድ ውጥ ለማድረግ አይደለም በእህቅድ ብዙ ዘሮችን አንድ ክልል ይዞዋል። ይህም ለድሞክራሲ ዋናው ምሶሶ ነው። ይተለያዪ ድምፆችን ማስተናገድ። ተመልከት ውልቃይትን ጉዳይ ። እማሮች ሊገነጥሏችው ይፈልጋሉ ። ውልቅይት ወደ አማራ ቢጠቃለል ። የእማራ ድምፅ ትግሬ ውስትጥ አይኖርም ማለት ነው ።

ሌላው መታወቅ ያለብት ነገር።

in representative democracy we will have two government system one is fed. government and the other one is state government .. now oromia at state level they deal with oromia issue and the state government only govern oromia but fed. government deal with all state this way both government go hand to hand by dividing their job and responsibility

now tell me if oromia is almost an independent nation that govern by state governor .. they elect their own governor they run their own state just like Eritrea do or Djibouti does therefore they will not break away they r already an independent nation beside few responsibility that fed. deal with .. fed. government deal with embassy and army.. why would all 9 region will have their own embassy if they can send only one representative for all the region

for now this is enough ..

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Re: The case why TPLF, OLF et al. Should reject ethnic federalism

Post by Cartmann » 05 Jan 2019, 04:57

eden wrote:
04 Jan 2019, 19:06
The questions are:
  • What do you do with, say, Amaras who live in Oromia.They have their own Region like few others but they live elsewhere
  • What do you do with, say, Siltes who live in Oromia.They don't have their own Region. Same for 70 + groups.
  • Some Regions' areas have majority "non natives" Does minorty get to rule majority? I hear this is the case in Harrar and Diredawa.


You forgot one important question, what do you do with Tigray which in the current system will remain a minority for eternity?

By the way, those questions should have been addressed in the beginning when your Legesse Zenawi aka Zena designed the system. This ethnic federalism empowered Oromos and Amharas like never before. Although the Amharas don't like ethnic politics, still in the current system their influence is enormous. The only KILIL that will live in quagmire without any voice is Tigray. You were misusing the system, now when it is too hot to handle, you want to abandon it. TPLF militias thought they will remain in power for eternity when they designed the system, instead they find themselves now in their right position- MINORITY. Karma is b!tch!

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Re: The case why TPLF, OLF et al. Should reject ethnic federalism

Post by Ethoash » 05 Jan 2019, 05:41

Cartmann wrote:
05 Jan 2019, 04:57

You forgot one important question, what do you do with Tigray which in the current system will remain a minority for eternity?[/b]

By the way, those questions should have been addressed in the beginning when your Legesse Zenawi aka Zena designed the system.


catman

why not come out from your uber or parking lot and ask any white on street how their system work.. it is not majority rule .. American are not govern by majority rule .. yes many people mistaken this even America are not rule by democracy system of government .. they r republic or representative democracy not pure democracy.. pure democracy is the worst form of government system

Addis Ababa,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,7 vote or seat
Afar Region,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,7
amhara region ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,15
oromia region ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,22
Benishangul-Gumuz Region,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,6
Dire Dawa,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,5
Gambela Region,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,5
Harari Region ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,4
Somali Region,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 8
Southern Nations, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,..,15
Tigray Region .................................,,6

as u can see it majority found by adding more then one group that make normal

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Re: The case why TPLF, OLF et al. Should reject ethnic federalism

Post by Ethoash » 05 Jan 2019, 05:44

Cartmann wrote:
05 Jan 2019, 04:57

You forgot one important question, what do you do with Tigray which in the current system will remain a minority for eternity?[/b]

By the way, those questions should have been addressed in the beginning when your Legesse Zenawi aka Zena designed the system.


catman

why not come out from your uber or parking lot and ask any white on street how their system work.. it is not majority rule .. American are not govern by majority rule .. yes many people mistaken this even America are not rule by democracy system of government .. they r republic or representative democracy not pure democracy.. pure democracy is the worst form of government system

Addis Ababa,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,7 vote or seat
Afar Region,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,7
amhara region ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,15
oromia region ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,22
Benishangul-Gumuz Region,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,6
Dire Dawa,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,5
Gambela Region,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,5
Harari Region ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,4
Somali Region,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 8
Southern Nations, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,..,15
Tigray Region .................................,,6

as u can see it majority found by adding more then one group that make majority no single groups have majority,,,,,, for example addis ababa only have 7 seat or 7 vote they will have like with Tigray region have only 6 vote... even oromia cant form a government wihtout mix up

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Re: The case why TPLF, OLF et al. Should reject ethnic federalism

Post by Dawi » 05 Jan 2019, 11:28

"ኢትዮጵያ የተፈጠረችውና የተገነባችው ባዕዳን በሆኑ በውጭ ሀገር ወራሪዎች ሳይሆን በገዛ ነዋሪዎቿ ትብብርና እጅ ነው። ኔልሶን ማንዴላ ሲታገሉ፣ “ነጮች ከሌላው የሰው ዘር በላይ ናቸው፥ እግዚአብሔር ዓለምን የማሠልጠን አላፊነትና አደራ እጫንቃቸው ላይ ሰለጣለባቸው፣ ነጭ ያልሆነውን የሰው ዘር በሙሉ አንበርክኮ የመግዛት ግዴታ አለበት” የሚለው ፍልስፍናና አስተሳሰብ እንደነውር በሚቈጠርበት ዘመን ነው። እንደገና አፄ ምኒልክ ግን በዚህ ረገድ በጣም ይለያሉ። የነጭ የበላይነት ፍልስፍናው በአሳብ ደረጃ በገነነበት ጊዜ ብቻ ሳይሆን፣ በግብር በሰፈነበት፣ በመላው ጥቁርና ነጭ ዘር ባልሆነበት ዓለም ላይ በሰፊው በነገሠበትና፣ ምርኮውም በሆነበት ዘመን ነው ዘመናዊቷን አጼ ምኒልክ ኢትዮጵያን ያዋሀዷትና ሊገነቧት የበቁ። እንዲያዉም የነጭ ዘር ሕዝቡንና ሀገሩን እንደሌላው ዓለም ምርኮው ሊያደርግ ቢቃጣ፣ “የለም ሌላ ጋ ሂደህ ተጀነን እንጂ፣ ኢትዮጵያን ሀገሬንና ሕዝቤን እንኳን አትነካብኝም” ብለው፣ ሕዝባቸውን በማስተባበር ከጐናቸው አሰልፈው፣ ነጩ ራሱ በፈጠረዉና፣ ይተማመንበት በነበረው መሣርያ ድል አድርገውት፣ ልኩን ያስገቡትና፣ የነጭ ዘር እንደሌላው የሰው ዘር መሆኑን፣ ለሱም ለራሱ ሆነ ለሌላዉም የዓለም ሕዝብ በሙሉ ያስተማሩት፣ በዓለም ውስጥ የመጀመርያው መሪ ናቸው። ይኸንንም ከሳቸው በመማር ይሁን አብነታቸዉን በመከተል፣ ዘጠኝ ዓመት ቈይተው ጃፓኖች ደግመውታል።" Prof. larebo



ክፍል አንድ


የጎሳ ፌደራሊዝም፤ ማንነት ላይ የተመሰረተ ፖለቲካና የጎሳ ግጭት በኢትዮጵያ

የወያኔ መንግስት የተመሰረተበትና በዛሬይቱ ኢትዮጵያ የመንግስታዊ ስርዓት መሰረት የሆነው የጎሳ ፌደራሊዝም የጎሳን ማንነትና ልዩነትን ዓይነተኛ የፖለቲካ ማደራጃ አድርጎአቸዋል። የጎሳ ፌዴራሊዝም ዲሞክራሲያዊ ሳይሆን ኢ-ዲሞክራሲያዊ ነው። ዲሞክራሲ ሁሉን አሳታፊ እንጂ አንድን ግለሰብ በጎሳ ማንነቱ ምክንያት ከፖለቲካ ተሳትፎ ውጭ የሚያደርግ አይደለም። ፖለቲካ በጎሳ ማንነትና መስፈርት ላይ ተመስርቶ አንድን ሰው አንተ የእኔ ጎሳ አባል አይደለህም ብሎ በጎሳ ማንነቱ ምክንያት ሲያገል፤ ሌላውን ደግሞ አንተ የጎሳ አባሌ ነህ ብሎ ሲያሳትፍና ሲያቅፍ፤ ይህን አይነቱ ጎሳን መሰረት ያደረገ ፖለቲካ ዲሞክራሲ የሚባለውን አስተሳሰብ በጽኑ ይቃረናል። በዚህም ምክንያት በጎሳ ማንነት ላይ ተመስርቶ የሚደራጅ የፖለቲካ ስርዓት በአንድ ማህበረሰብ ውስጥ ያሉ የተለያየ የእምነት ተከታዮች፤ የተለያዩ የጎሳ ተወላጆች እንደ ሰው ወይም እንደ ሰብዓዊ ፍጡር በሚያስተሳስሯቸውና በሚጋሯቸው በርካታ ሀገራዊ ጉዳዮች ዙሪያ እንደ አንድ ሀገር ዜጎች እንዳይገናኙ የሚያደርግ በመሆኑ አፍራሽ እንጂ ገንቢ አይደለም። የጎሳ ፌዴራሊዝም በአንድ ሀገር ውስጥ የሚኖሩ ዜጎች በልዩነቶቻቸው ላይ እንዲያተኩሩ በማድረግ ሊያቋርጥ የማይችል ጥላቻን በማራገብ ለጋራ ጥፋትና እልቂት የሚጋብዝ፤ በባህል መጠበቅ፤ በጎሳ መብት መጠበቅ ስም ያንድ ጎሳ ልሂቃን እኛ የዚህ ጎሳ ብቸኛ ተወካዮች ነን ብለው ባንድ ነጻ ማህበረስብ ውስጥ ሊደረግ የሚገባውን በጎሳ ማንነት ሳይሆን በፖለቲካ አስተሳሰብ ላይ የተመሰረተ ጤናማ የፖለቲካ ውድድር ወይም ፉክክር የሚሸሹበትን ኢ-ዲሞክራሲያዊ አመለካከትና አሰራር ያራምዳል። ይህም የጎሳን ማንነት መሰረት ያደረገ የፖለቲካ ስርዓት ወደ ፋሽስታዊ የዘር ፍጅትና የእርስ በርስ ጥላቻ የሚያመራ አደገኛ ርዕዮተ ዓለም ነው። የፈረሰችው የትላንትናዋ ዩጎዝላቪያ የጎሳ ፌዴራሊዝም በአንድ ሀገር ላይ የሚያስከትለውን ጥፋትና ፍጅት አሳይታናለች። የጎሳ ፌዴሊዝም አንዱን ሕዝብ በሌላው ላይ ያነሳሳል ምክንያቱም የጎሳ ፌደራሊዝም ባፈጣጠሩ ህዝብን በሚለያይ ማንነት ላይ የተመሰረተና በልዩነት ላይ ያተኮረ ስለሆነ ነው። የጎሳ ፌደራሊዝም የጎሳን ማንነት ብቻ በማጉላት ሌሎች የማንነት መገለጫዎችን ያደበዝዛል፤ ያንድ ሃገር ዜጋዎች በመካካላቸው የግንብ አጥር እንዲሰሩ ያደርጋል፡ ያለያያል፡ ያቃቅራል። አንድ-ወጥ ጎሳ ለመፍጠርና “ንጹህ ደም ያላቸውን የአንድ ጎሳ ተወላጆች” ባንድ ኩታ-ገጠም ክልል ውስጥ ለማሰባሰብ የሚደረገው ጥረት በግድ ከዚያ ከንጹሁ ጎሳ ተወላጆች ውጭ ያሉትን የሌሎች ጎሳ ተወላጆችን “ከንጹሁ ጎሳ ተወላጆች” ክልል በሃይል ወደ ማስወጣቱ የጭፍጨፋ ሂደት ያመራል። ትላንት በምስራቅ ወለጋ፤ በጉራ ፈርዳ ዛሬ ደግሞ በቢኒሻንጉል የታየው ዘግናኝ ድርጊት የጎሳ ፌዴራሊዝም ውጤት ነው። የጎሳ ፌዴራሊዝም ዋና አራማጅ የሆኑት የኦሮሞ ብሄረተኛ አቶ ቡልቻ ደመቅሳ አሜሪካን ሀገር ይታተም በነበረ ኢትዮጵያን ኤክዛምነር (Ethiopian Examiner) በሚባል መጽሄት እንደ አውሮፓ አቆጣጠር በሰኔ ወር 1993 በጻፉት አንድ መጣጥፍ ውስጥ የሚከተለውን ሃሳብ አስፍረው ነበር። “ኦሮሞዎች የኦሮሞ ዞኖች ወይም ቀጠናዎች ሁሉ ባንድ ላይ ተጠቃለው አንድ የኦሮሞ ክልል ሥር እንዲሆኑ ይፈልጋሉ” (Bulcha Demeksa, Ethiopian Examiner, June 1993)። ይህ የአቶ ቡልቻ ሃሳብ በረጅም ትልሙ አንደ-ወጥ (ethnically [deleted]) የሆነ ያንድ ጎሳ ተወላጆች ብቻ የሚኖሩበት ክልል ለመፍጠር፤ ብሎም ከኦሮሞ ጎሳ ውጭ ያሉ ሌሎች ጎሳዎችን በማስወገድ ራሱን የቻለ አንድ ነጻ ሀገር ለማቋቋም ያለመ ሂደት መሆኑን ማንም የማገናዘብ ችሉታ ያለው ሰው ይረዳል። ጎሳን መሰረት ያደረገ ክልል በመጨረሻ እናንተ የእኛ ጎሳ አባሎች ስላልሆናቸሁ ከዚህ ውጡ ወደሚለው የጎሳ ጽዳት ( ethnic cleansing ) እንደሚያመራ ትላንት በምስራቅ ወለጋ፤ በጉራ ፈርዳ፤ በቤኒሻንጉልና በኦጋዴን የተከሰተው ሁኔታ ያሳየናል። አቶ ቡልቻ ደመቅሳ የጎሳ ፌዴራሊዝም በኢትዮጵያ ተቀባይነት ያለውና ጭራሽ ሊቀለበስ የማይችል እውነታ መሆኑን በሚከተለው መንገድ እርግጠኛ ሆነው በዚሁ ኢትዮጵያን ኤክዛምነር በተሰኛው ባንድ ወቅት በአሜሪካ ይታተም በነበረው ወርሃዊ መጽሄት ላይ እ. አ. አቆጣጠር በግንቦት 1993 በጻፉት ጽሁፍ ውስጥ ይነግሩናል። “በኢትዮጵያ በጎሳ ላይ የተመሰረተው ፌዴራሊዝም ወደ ኋላ ሊመለስ አይችልም ምክንያቱም አብዛኛው የኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ ይፈልገዋልና”( Bulcha Demeksa, Ethiopian Examiner, May 1993)። አቶ ቡልቻ ይህንን ከፍተኛ ድፍረት የተሞላበት፤ በጥናትና መረጃ ላይ ያልተመሰረተ አስተያያት ሲሰጡ ድፍን የኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ ቀርቶ እሳቸው በደንብ አውቀዋለሁ፤ ጥቅሙን አስጠብቅለታለሁ የሚሉትን የኦሮሞን ህዝብ እንኳን ጠይቀው፤ አስተያየቱንና ፍላጎቱን ሰብስበው አይደለም። በወያኔ ትግሬዎች መንግስት ከተደረገው ከአስራ አራት ዓመታት የጎሳ ፖለቲካ ሰበካ እንኳን በኋላ የኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ ለጎሳ ፌዴራሊዝም ልቡን እንዳልሰጠ በግንቦት ወር 1997 ዓ. ም የተደረገው ብሄራዊ ምርጫ አሳይቷል። በጎሳ ሳይሆን ሀገር-አቀፍ አጀንዳ አንግቦ ውድድር ውስጥ የገባው የቅንጅት ድርጅት ያገኘው ከፍተኛ ድጋፍ የአቶ ቡልቻንና ከወያኔ ጀምሮ እስከ ዛሬዎቹ የመድረክ አባሎች ድረስ ያሉትን የጎሳ ፖለቲካ አራማጆች ክፉኛ አስደንግጦአል። መድረክም የዚህ የጎሳ ፖሊቲካ ክስረት ያስደነገጣቸው የጎሳ ፖለቲካ ድርጅቶች ስብስብ ሆኖ ብቅ ያለው ይህንን የጎሳን ፖለቲካ ውድቀት በጋራ ሆኖ ለመከላከል፤ ጎሳ-ዘለልና ሀገር-አቀፍ ኢትዮጵያዊ የፖለቲካ አጀንዳ ያላቸውን ወገኖች በኢትዮጵያ ህዝብ ውስጥ ያላቸውን ተቀባይነት ለመዋጋት ነው። የእነ ሰዬ አብርሃም ከወያኔ ወጥቶ መድረክ መግባት አልሸሹም ዞር አሉ ነው፤ ወደዚያው ጥርሱን ወደነቀለበት የጎሳ ፖለቲካ የደራበት የመድረክ ሰፈር ተመልሷል።

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Naga Tuma
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Re: The case why TPLF, OLF et al. Should reject ethnic federalism

Post by Naga Tuma » 05 Jan 2019, 14:39

Misraq wrote:
04 Jan 2019, 19:30
I really want Olf & Tplf to hang on to ethnic federalism. Like any young and upcoming Neftegna, I feel revenge and restoring honour is a must.
When you responded to my discussion on this forum a while back about the first renaissance and call for a second renaissance, I thought that you understood the discussion, call, and your expressed words about the call.

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Re: The case why TPLF, OLF et al. Should reject ethnic federalism

Post by eden » 06 Jan 2019, 02:56

Post Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:30 pm

ethioash,

can you address diredawa and harari from the list. I here there are more non natives than natives but those non natives get few or no access to economic and political power because the formula is based on the assumption that the natives OWN these places. That is the main source of my worry about ethnic federation: it disenfranchises majorities.

My second big worry is that even small ethnic group elites keep demanding to become 'State' which leads to economic fragmentation due to the fact an ever increasing States plans on ever decreasing budget, meaning, few or no large scale projects bigger States can do.

Pls. address these two concerns when you get a chance.

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Re: The case why TPLF, OLF et al. Should reject ethnic federalism

Post by Ethoash » 06 Jan 2019, 03:08

eden,

fed. system is not a prefect system it have a lot of problem but it is the best we have and tested for last 400 years ... so we dont have to reinvent the wheel constitution already invented all we have to do is follow USA system the best we can..

now let me explain the best i can

USA HAVE more or less have 50 states
NY is one state for understanding we going to take NY as our example

under NY we have 62 counties but start out .The original twelve counties were created ... The most recent county formation in New York was in 1914, when Bronx County was created from the portions of New York City that had been annexed



now this 62 counties are regroups by 9 region



Counties can be Subdivided as Cities, Towns, Indian Reservations

now one town might be an Afar or Amhara in oromia region they could claim we should be city or town it doesnt have effect on the state of oromia

one small town might want to be state that is fine but as oromia state they would have 22 vote as small town they would have only one vote ,,, every one million population get one vote so from 22 they will be reduced to two or one vote..plus how in hell they going to mange as small town.. they have to have police , hospital. school, university, fire station soon they would be broke and they will be begging to join the major state.. i forget about road, garbage collection ,sewage and water treatment

i think if one counties want to become state and insistent on it then what r we going to do beside let them break way.. now i have another suggestion for this kind of renegade counties.. all we should ask them is to conduct referendum 3 times and if the people vote twice to break away they should go .. now the trick is the second referendum will be after ten years.. once the renegade state lived by themselves and see their mistake or benefit they would vote one more time to make sure if that what they want .. if they vote twice to break way then let them go why wage war to keep them.. this is my answer had we use the same thing on Eritrean referendum they would have voted to stay if they have one more change ...once the honeymoon over once they understood independent is over rated they will vote with their brain instead of with emotion . if they ever given one more change anyhow they Eritrean voting with their foot they coming by 100,000 SO this tell u a lot human nature .. as i said this is not a prefect system ..
can you address diredawa and harari from the list. I here there are more non natives than natives but those non natives get few or no access to economic and political power because the formula is based on the assumption that the natives OWN these places
for this you should say አደርኛ ማቻል አለበት or one of the native dominate language that they agree with this way if i am Amhara if i learn አደርኛ what is the problem if i run Diredawa and harari if i the best for the job if i am not then i will be kick out.. again this is not majority rule as i told u even with less number the አደሬ might win because the election is based on electoral college..
if there are 9 district ... it doesnt matter how many people in one district if 5 of them vote for the harari .. the harari will rule...


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