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Halafi Mengedi (and also Horus) are "winning": Ethiopia to release all political prisoners, Maikalawi will be a museum

Post by DefendTheTruth » 03 Jan 2018, 09:05

XXX
Ethiopia will rise again!

Ethiopia raises her hand to God and will prevail by virtue of it, a long held view of many people in this most religious and faitfull nation in the world, for whatever reason.

Ethiopia is an outlier in the Orthodox Christian world

And it seems that her God is listening.

Ethiopia to release all political prisoners, close camp.

Thank you Mr. Prime Minister, this is the right move in the right direction in my view and perhpas a historic day in our long history as a people. Now we can differentiate between the responsible actors on the political field, who are out there to bring change to their people and those irresponsible actors, who are out there to create havoc in the country and whom we should isolate and resist them fiercely.

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Post by sun » 03 Jan 2018, 10:31

DefendTheTruth wrote:Ethiopia will rise again!

Ethiopia raises her hand to God and will prevail by virtue of it, a long held view of many people in this most religious and faitfull nation in the world, for whatever reason.

Ethiopia is an outlier in the Orthodox Christian world

And it seems that her God is listening.

Ethiopia to release all political prisoners, close camp.

Thank you Mr. Prime Minister, this is the right move in the right direction in my view and perhpas a historic day in our long history as a people. Now we can differentiate between the responsible actors on the political field, who are out there to bring change to their people and those irresponsible actors, who are out there to create havoc in the country and whom we should isolate and resist them fiercely.
Hmmm... 8)

What has it got to do with Obbo Halafi who constantly and fiercely kept/keep advocating the complete disintegration of the country unless the 6% tplf oligarchs keep glued to power, holding monopoly power, insulting and blaming the great and egalitarian Oromos as "Savage Gallas" all these only for the Oromos' willingness of self discovery and seeking positive changes, equality and justice for all agenda building and ongoing implementation.

What has it got to do with Obbo horus too who seem to have been interested in complete anarchy, not positive reforms, and disintegration of the country unless all the Ethiopian tribes and Ethnics together with all their rights disappear from the face of the earth. This positive development is an outcome of the Oromo struggles compounded by the Amhara struggles as well as the current positive joint efforts between the two who constitute about 80% of the Ethiopian people.

Why should people rot in prisons and shameful concentration camps instead of going to school smiling joyfully and then going to work creating, producing products, services and ideas, earning money and then paying taxes in order to make the government rich and the country great again?

In that way the government seems to be wising up and behaving proactive and catching the WAVE before the WAVE catches them.
:lol:

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Post by DefendTheTruth » 03 Jan 2018, 13:12

Sun,

I will wait for the response of the two gentlemen and give you my reply, is that a good enough deal? lol

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Post by Degnet » 03 Jan 2018, 14:00

I hope I am one of the two gentle men,I am so happy to hear this.

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Post by Horus » 03 Jan 2018, 14:58

Only when the illegal, criminal, oppressive and corrupt rule of the tribe is replaced by a genuine transitional and then elected government will Horus be happy. I accept reform, I don't dance in orgy with the moves of tricky tribal warlords. Selam walu !!!

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Post by DefendTheTruth » 03 Jan 2018, 16:39

Horus wrote:Only when the illegal, criminal, oppressive and corrupt rule of the tribe is replaced by a genuine transitional and then elected government will Horus be happy. I accept reform, I don't dance in orgy with the moves of tricky tribal warlords. Selam walu !!!
There is a saying which goes like "a thousand miles begins with one step" or somehting like that, and what about beginning the appreciation of the steps too with that very first step?

I can't say if the said step is really genuine, that is, people will also be set free, in many cases after many years behind bars, and how many people will going to benefit from the measure if it is real, but in my view we should appreciate the positive step from those in power, unless someone is deliberately on the win-lose (zero-sum) course instead of a win-win course for all parties.

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Post by Horus » 03 Jan 2018, 22:13

Defend the truth,

Why do you force me to be arrogant which is not my nature. I know how politics works. I know how the ruling class thinks. I know how dictators logic. Please, for a change bait your your buck on the power and potential of the oppressed rather than waste your short life trying to defend the oppressor and make the criminal look good. When there is a real reform and real change and real positive development, you will find my comment posted the first thing in the morning.

But please don't make yourself a fool by exposing your ignorance of woyane trick or being a bad cadre of the same. The so called political prisoner is a free Ethiopian who should not have been framed and tortured by the criminal tigray rule in the first place. Now to make the cruelty worse, the same tribal gang is trying to use the abused Ethiopian as a negotiating tool and propaganda material. The crime and cruelty keeps adding and the stupid slavish cadre keeps dancing in orgy to the bad beats of the drunk tribal thieves.

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Post by gearhead » 04 Jan 2018, 19:34

"Political space" implies that there is a political institution that the "opposition" is supposed to contend against. However there NO such entity!!

TPLF/EPRDF is no longer a political institution but a covent of separate fiefdoms of vapmpires whose egos need to be fed blood repratedly. Can you name one political purpose for executing a pre-planned ethnic cleansing of 750K oromo women children and elderly?

Civilian TPLF/EPRDF is dead!!! It has long overstepped untouchable boundaries and passed all the limits. Once that boundary was land, then became lives of protestors in increasing numbers, then it became entire civilian populatios. There are NO punitive nor preventive repercussions to the vampiric perpetrators, or any effect to their instituions , so the scale and and ferousity of the devour continues as the population is repeatedly desensitized and lulled, only to find itself faced with another mass atrocity worse than the one before.

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Post by DefendTheTruth » 05 Jan 2018, 09:19

gearhead wrote:"Political space" implies that there is a political institution that the "opposition" is supposed to contend against. However there NO such entity!!

TPLF/EPRDF is no longer a political institution but a covent of separate fiefdoms of vapmpires whose egos need to be fed blood repratedly. Can you name one political purpose for executing a pre-planned ethnic cleansing of 750K oromo women children and elderly?

Civilian TPLF/EPRDF is dead!!! It has long overstepped untouchable boundaries and passed all the limits. Once that boundary was land, then became lives of protestors in increasing numbers, then it became entire civilian populatios. There are NO punitive nor preventive repercussions to the vampiric perpetrators, or any effect to their instituions , so the scale and and ferousity of the devour continues as the population is repeatedly desensitized and lulled, only to find itself faced with another mass atrocity worse than the one before.
Like I said last time under another thread perhaps once again my condolences to you again if you felt about being left out from the "deal". Otherwise, this thread is not about trying to draw a balance sheet of the crimes being committed so far, real or percieved, from all sides.

Here it is about a concession that a government, who held many, most likely innocent, citizens in the types of the said torture centeres (not to say in its gulag), made and now coming forward and saying, we are going to set them free. And in my view and many others', including independent observers in the field, this is a right move in the right direction. Why are you upset about it?

Would you mind sharing about your inner pain, so that we can understand you better? Other wise would you please spare yourself from your lizard tears?

Is it a mere coincidence that you now coined the term "vampire" for those whom you have been defending to your bone marrow just a year or two ago und defaming those for whom shed your wizard tears? What is going on your side?

Do you think you can lull somebody?
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Post by kibramlak » 05 Jan 2018, 10:52

Time will tell about the truth. But when we see editing their own statements 7 times in three hours doesn't give confidence. In my view, it is a clear illustration of how they function: state of contradictions and denials. As many millions wish, I really would be more than happy if the said thing was true without cosmetics. I was applauding it without any second thought as soon as I heard the first statement. But then, as hours go by, doubt came in to surface.

Ok, maybe some are going to be released, which in fact they shouldn't be incarcerated in the first place. Looking at the angle of the victims who are in jail currently, yes that would be a good news (even if there will be 5 or 10 people who are going to be released). However, this action doesn't lower the crimes committed on them (for the physical and psychological pains they had to endure and the times they lose, and many more). I think, they have to be compensated for all of these crimes.

Other than that, institutional reform is a must. Releasing innocents is not just enough to answer the pending questions

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Post by DefendTheTruth » 05 Jan 2018, 12:19

kibramlak wrote:... Releasing innocents is not just enough to answer the pending questions
This is a concession, not negotiation. So what are you talking about when you say "not enough"? Enough for what?

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Post by Degnet » 05 Jan 2018, 12:24

DefendTheTruth,
Why don't you understand him,this person is a reasonable peaceful man,I first thought that he might be an Eritrea and was happy to find some one with this nick name,he once attacked me and I was very sad,especially when it comes from such people as him and Amara Sayint,people I respcted and loved.

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Post by kibramlak » 05 Jan 2018, 13:11

DefendTheTruth wrote:
kibramlak wrote:... Releasing innocents is not just enough to answer the pending questions
This is a concession, not negotiation. So what are you talking about when you say "not enough"? Enough for what?
A concession for what?
Enough for what? You didn't get what I meant? Is jailing innocents the major issue in your view Mr./Ms DTT? Counting beans is still miles away from addressing the fundamental questions. If you still don't get it, just figure it out by yourself. If you are a TPLF agent, you do not what to know it.

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Post by gearhead » 05 Jan 2018, 16:51

Kibramlak

Brother, well said but there is no organization left. No org.chart, no command structure can be found. The PM office is no more than ceremonial.

Mind you, all these retractions are happening post the 40 days long TPLF meeting that is supposed to induce hierarchy into the organization.

In the meantime, Samora, along with his 50 Generals have raised the middle finger to Debretsion for mentioning METEC or addressing proportional representation within the military.

Samora demands/takes separation from the state, in church equivalence terms and uses the phrase routinely, all the more his Generals have Adi Eley mock the PM continiously in contention to statements PM made regarding the ethnic cleansing.

Did you know that there was a court ordered case that would release Dr. Merrer, publicized on media, but pulled-back at the last minute by an unknown figure who offered no explanations to the family? If a court ordered case that has complete paperwork just disappears, how much more these generic cases, without an iota of .procedure be just ignored and rote? The bureaucracy will find it overwhelming and push it aside.

They will release a few high profile , but brokedown figures that will remain innocuous. Remember Birtukan Mideqsa?

DT,

Perhaps you and I need to go through Elias and have him teach you ጨዋነት.

I can't be fending-off libbls from some ቃልቻ tattered head and stay engaged in a fruitful conversation. i know that you grew up trailing a tail, but you are at a keyboard now!!!. Congratulate yourself!!!. You have arrived!!!! But please work on the attendant etiquette and mental clarity! Can I count on you or should I lobby for your demotion? :lol: :lol:
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Post by sun » 05 Jan 2018, 17:48

gearhead wrote:Kibramlak

Brother, well said but there is no organization left. No org.chart, no command structure can be found. The PM office is no more than a ceremonial.

Mind you, all these retractions are happening post the 40 days long TPLF meeting that is supposed to induce hierarchy into the organization.

In the meantime, Samora, along with his 50 Generals have raised the middle finger to Debretsion for mentioning METEC or addressing proportional representation within the military.

Samora demands/takes separation from the state, in church equivalence terms and uses the phrase routinely, all the more his Generals have Adi Eley mock the PM continiously in contention to statements PM made regarding the ethnic cleansing.

Did you know that there was a court ordered case that would release Dr. Merrer, publicized on media, but pulled-back at the last minute by an unknown figure who offered no explanations to the family? If a court ordered case that has complete paperwork just disappears, how much more these generic cases, without an iota of .procedure be just ignored and rote? The bureaucracy will find it overwhelming and push it aside.

They will release a few high profile , but brokedown figures that will remain innocuous. Remember Birtukan Mideqsa?

DT,

Perhaps you and I need to go through Elias and have him teach you ጨዋነት.

I can't be fending-off libbls from some ቃልቻ tattered head and stay engaged in a fruitful conversation. i know that you grew up trailing a tail, but you are at a keyboard now!!!. Congratulate yourself!!!. You have arrived!!!! But please work on the attendant etiquette and mental clarity! Can I count on you or should I lobby for your demotion?

kibramlak wrote:Time will tell about the truth. But when we see editing their own statements 7 times in three hours doesn't give confidence. In my view, it is a clear illustration of how they function: state of contradictions and denials. As many millions wish, I really would be more than happy if the said thing was true without cosmetics. I was applauding it without any second thought as soon as I heard the first statement. But then, as hours go by, doubt came in to surface.

Ok, maybe some are going to be released, which in fact they shouldn't be incarcerated in the first place. Looking at the angle of the victims who are in jail currently, yes that would be a good news (even if there will be 5 or 10 people who are going to be released). However, this action doesn't lower the crimes committed on them (for the physical and psychological pains they had to endure and the times they lose, and many more). I think, they have to be compensated for all of these crimes.

Other than that, institutional reform is a must. Releasing innocents is not just enough to answer the pending questions





brother, well said but there is no organization left. no org.chart. PM is no more than a ceremonial title.

Mind you, all these retractions are post the 40 days long TPLF meeting that is supposed to induce heirarchy into the organization. Hoeever, Samora, along with his 50 generals have raised the middle finger to Debretsion for mentioning METEC or addressing proportional representation within the military. samora demands/takes speparation from the state, in church equivalence terms and uses the phrase routinely all the more his Generals have Adi Eley mock the PM routinely in contention to statements PM made regarding the ethnic cleansing.

i am with you. however this 1 step foreward for every 50 step backward wont cut it out of the utter abyss.

Did you know that there was a court ordered case that would release Dr. Merrer, publicised on media but pulled back in the last minute by an unkown force, wothout an iota of explanation? A court ordered caae just disapears and you are wondering about the handling and possible outcomes of a generic case statement by a PM withouy power?

No body knows and i mean that litterally. My bet is that the absence of a procedure coupled by the possible size will be too overwhelming for them to do anything aboit it, they will just ignore it until another bigget case takes over their attention. They will release a few high profile but beat down figures once they make sure that they will remain innocues bit no more. Remember how they put Birtukan Mideqsa out of commission before they released her?

kibramlak wrote:Time will tell about the truth. But when we see editing their own statements 7 times in three hours doesn't give confidence. In my view, it is a clear illustration of how they function: state of contradictions and denials. As many millions wish, I really would be more than happy if the said thing was true without cosmetics. I was applauding it without any second thought as soon as I heard the first statement. But then, as hours go by, doubt came in to surface.

Ok, maybe some are going to be released, which in fact they shouldn't be incarcerated in the first place. Looking at the angle of the victims who are in jail currently, yes that would be a good news (even if there will be 5 or 10 people who are going to be released). However, this action doesn't lower the crimes committed on them (for the physical and psychological pains they had to endure and the times they lose, and many more). I think, they have to be compensated for all of these crimes.

Other than that, institutional reform is a must. Releasing innocents is not just enough to answer the pending questions
hmm... 8)


I am not a politician but yet again if the case is as stated along the highlighted statement above then does the solution to the problem needs to be apathy and surrendering to human rights violating democracy suffocating chest pumping deaf tyrants?

May be better to go beyond shouting publicly and pointing middle finger left and right but rather be proactive, dynamic and motivated constantly communicating and negotiating with all of those significant circles who used to stand behind the too oldy Samora and his moldy generals who are living in the wild past which gave them tons of free wealth soon to be taken away from them under current realities by the people who do the dirty hard jobs on the dirty grounds and soon definitely leading to the much needed democratization of the military by implementing the overdue proportional representation leading to the over all political economic, etc, problem solution. This is just normal change and change is the only regular and normal phenomena which no one can stop.

WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL HERE? AFTER ALL WE ARE LIVING IN A WIDE OPEN WORLD WITH LIMITLESS OPPORTUNITIES MAKING THE EXPRESSION, 'IMPOSSIBLE' TO BE IRRELEVANT AND NOTHING.



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Post by Degnet » 06 Jan 2018, 06:33

This is true also in our personal lives,we love those who give us attention.

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Post by neiseha beraki » 06 Jan 2018, 07:08

NO SO FAST PEOPLE. YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO WHAT GINBOT SEVEN HAS TO TELL YOU.THEY ARE SAYING THIS TO FOOL YOU.BUY TIME AND DIVIDE PEOPLE TO DODGE THE BULLET that IS COMING TO TAKE THEM TO WHERE THEY COME FROM AND WHERE THEY BELONG DEDEBIT. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

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Post by Degnet » 06 Jan 2018, 09:53

We think of some thing else,you are not God talk about yourself and the things that concern you,our hope is in God.

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Post by sun » 06 Jan 2018, 13:03

Degnet wrote:This is true also in our personal lives,we love those who give us attention.
Degnet,

Thank you very much like always for your positive and constructive outlook because in the end that is what will take us all to the next higher level along the equality and justice for all highways to become great together.

I am not a politician but yet I like positive developments and positive implementations however small and modest. Positive developments and positive trends however it may look small sends positive energy signals and messages to our individual and collective bodies and through that promote our mental and physical well-beings and comfort zones.

In order to establish trust with anyone we need to show them that we're not a threat to them, and we don't fear them either. Always offensive and negative approaches affects our attitude. So if we're always on the offensive it would be hard for others to approach us, and for us to accept them.

Partly that is also why I liked the abolishment of ethnic identification on the identity cards in Oromiya. That is also why I liked the current abolishment of the notorious maikelawi prison center as well as the promised release of prisoners of conscience. Hopefully it gets implemented truthfully and to the broadest extent possible.


“Attention is vitality. It connects you with others. It makes you eager. Stay eager.” ~Sontag :P

Stay blessed like always!

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Post by DefendTheTruth » 06 Jan 2018, 16:05

gearhead wrote:Kibramlak

Brother, well said but there is no organization left. No org.chart, no command structure can be found. The PM office is no more than ceremonial.

Mind you, all these retractions are happening post the 40 days long TPLF meeting that is supposed to induce hierarchy into the organization.

In the meantime, Samora, along with his 50 Generals have raised the middle finger to Debretsion for mentioning METEC or addressing proportional representation within the military.

Samora demands/takes separation from the state, in church equivalence terms and uses the phrase routinely, all the more his Generals have Adi Eley mock the PM continiously in contention to statements PM made regarding the ethnic cleansing.

Did you know that there was a court ordered case that would release Dr. Merrer, publicized on media, but pulled-back at the last minute by an unknown figure who offered no explanations to the family? If a court ordered case that has complete paperwork just disappears, how much more these generic cases, without an iota of .procedure be just ignored and rote? The bureaucracy will find it overwhelming and push it aside.

They will release a few high profile , but brokedown figures that will remain innocuous. Remember Birtukan Mideqsa?

DT,

Perhaps you and I need to go through Elias and have him teach you ጨዋነት.

I can't be fending-off libbls from some ቃልቻ tattered head and stay engaged in a fruitful conversation. i know that you grew up trailing a tail, but you are at a keyboard now!!!. Congratulate yourself!!!. You have arrived!!!! But please work on the attendant etiquette and mental clarity! Can I count on you or should I lobby for your demotion? :lol: :lol:
Fact is that today power doesn't emanate from a single source in the current set up of Ethiopia. Not olny the prime minister of the country but also or even the regional presidents have something to say and in effect influence.

I don't think the PM had consulted the Generals about the specific issue at hand here (releasing the political prisoners) before making the annoucement. Had he done that, most probably the Generals wouldn't have endorsed the proposal at all and he couldn't make the announcement at all. Halafi Mengedi can prove me wrong here.

In summary the generals may still command a major power in the national affairs but in net-effect they are on the losing curve right now, if not already for a long time.

You know me that I am Oromo, but not that I am a kallicha, the term you coined perhaps to defame the Oromo people, for whom you appeared to shed your crocodile tears by calling yourself an Oromo.A fact out there for everybody to see and judge.

Why don't you admit that you are on the losing curve right now along with the TPLF generals and look for your escaping route, instead of trying to act your usual cat and rat game ?

Start engaging in a civilized discussion of humans, instead, if i may add. a loser!

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