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The issue of OGADEN SOMALI and OROMO REGION, a question to all those open mindedness!

Postby Individual » 25 Jun 2013, 10:34


No Country can live peacefully and prosperous when they are in a conflict of force occupation in the 21Century!, It is a fact that Ethiopia will never be a peace functioning State because of the force occupation they are in, unless they give the occupied (oromo and Somali regions) their freedom!

Their have been polls lately about the internal political divisions in ethiopia, of how they would achieve their freedom from the occupier regime of tigray, suggested ideas were, seek help from Egypt, Eritrea and UN financely and weaponry.

Everyone knows that an forced union does not work, because in essence that is occupation, lack of free will!

Will the Ethiopians always have to worry about the instability in their region that is pain in the neck for their Development in Economy and Peaceful environment.

This internal conflict will continue forever, until free those regions.

Eritrea has left with 99.6 % UN referendum of self determination, and Somali region will probably break away in the next 5 years ( Somalia invaded you ethiopia since their independence 6 times because of the ogadenia Somali region you occupy, the last invasion of Siad barre took almost 75% land of ethiopia until Russia, Cuba and Yemen came to rescue Ethiopia, and we all know somalia is back slowly rebuilding its army and Somalia won't rest until you leave western somalia region), oromo will leave also maybe in 10 years time!

So question to those who understand The Ethiopian politics; will the Somali Region (aka Ogadenia) and Oromo have their freedom based on the Ethiopian Constitution on Self-determination peacefully of forcefull and when?

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NB; Ethiopia Constitution

Article 39 The Right of Nations, Nationalities and Peoples

1. Every nation, nationality or people in Ethiopia shall have the unrestricted right to self determination up to secession
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Re: The issue of OGADEN SOMALI and OROMO REGION, a question to zack and alike!

Postby Zack » 25 Jun 2013, 10:40


Nope nothing in this world is given for free you have to fight for it woyanne needs to feel the heat that he is being really challenged than he might come to the negotiating table, and you can start the dialogue from a strong position. Ethiopia will not give up Ogaden just because woyane constitution says so Sheabia went all the way and secured their independence and helped install woyane in Ethiopia.
Its not going to be easy and maybe it will not be the next 5 years maybe the next 10 to 15 years. It depends on many factors the assistance of Somalia is much needed diplomatic and political support.
Article 39 is just an exit way out for Tigray if they no longer rule Ethiopia than they might disintegrate Ethiopia but we dont know when that is it can be in 2 years time or the next 20 years no one knows only Allah knows.

As for the oromos these people need to sort them selves out and stick to one plan either fight for secession or union they are confusing themselves. Even Woyanne is confused about what they really want.



Re: The issue of OGADEN SOMALI and OROMO REGION, a question to zack and alike!

Postby Individual » 25 Jun 2013, 10:57


We all know Somalia is rebuilding fast, the leader of Alshabaab Dahir aweys and his spokesman dheere just declared they gave up on Alshabaab and are in Hobyo negotiating truce with the somalia government through puntland!

This all happening is a frightening dream for Ethiopia, as they know Somalia once healthy will demand ogadenia's freedom through diplomacy or forcefully (invasion like before)!

I foresee a dark Chapter for Ethiopia in the Ogaden region.



Re: The issue of OGADEN SOMALI and OROMO REGION, a question to zack and alike!

Postby Zack » 25 Jun 2013, 11:17


i doubt Somalia is far from fixed Alshabaab is one problem aweys might go to his hawiye territory in the middle regions. But that still means nothing than there is the Jubbaland Somali government conflict than there is the Somaliland and Somali government conflict. Somalia is far from fixed it will take at least years to have a normal Somalia that can assist the Ogaden region and rebels maybe in the next 6 to 7 years.



Re: The issue of OGADEN SOMALI and OROMO REGION, a question to zack and alike!

Postby Halyeyga » 25 Jun 2013, 11:47


You are clearly uninformed about the situation in Somali Region. It is basically largely pacified and assimilated within the Ethiopian system, the only rebellion is by a sub-sub clan of the Somalis (the Ogaden, especially the Maxamed Zubeer) around 3 districts who are the backbone and fighters of the ONLF. The ONLF are being taken care of by the Liyuu Police and when necessary Federal forces. Within 10 years’ time, I expect Somali Region to be fully integrated and contributing to the rest of the country economically in the form of higher revenues. The old generation of Siyaadist bureaucrats are gone after having been purged in the early 2000s and their corrupt, less-literate peers are being slowly but surely being forced out of the political scene by the Young Turks of Somali Region who have grown up under the Kilil 5 flag and governance and have shunned the armed nabad-diid elements as well as the corrupt, clannish older politicos of Somali Region.

Somalia forfeited any and all claim to Somali Region in 1988 when Siyaad Barre signed the IGAD agreement and renounced all claims to Ethiopian territory.

Somalia itself has been under Ethiopian whim and manipulation for the past quarter century and is so bogged down with its own domestic security and political concerns, it will never be able to look westwards or even come close to the buildup of military force or political will that precipitated in the 1977 invasion.

The situation in Eritrea that led to secession is very different from that in the Somali Region and Article 39 was essentially expressly made for Eritrea only. Proof of this is the fact that when the ONLF-led government pursued secession in 93/94, they were immediately dealt with a strong federal backlash with force. Guess who were the troops on the ground securing ONLF and other Somali fighter elements such as the remnants of WSLF and Al-Itihad? The EPLF. The targeted killing of the mayors and governors of major Somali cities in Somali region during and after the Somali Region's bid for secession was conducted by the EPLF who were leading Federal forces on the ground.

This clearly shows the Tigrinya-speaking cousins (TPLF and EPLF) never meant to allow secession or the loss of Ethiopian territory for anyone except themselves.

The facts on the ground are, no one wants to secede except a sub-sub clan of the Somalis who are being virtually wiped out, and that the vast majority of the rest of the citizenry and elites in Somali Region are well integrated and coopted into the governance and rule of Somali Region.

Again, you show that your mindset is stuck in 1977 with your calls for Oromo Region to also secede from Ethiopia. Siyaad Barre's propaganda about "Somali Abo" (his term for the Oromo) and Oromia is deader than dead, and the OLF is toothless and in a weaker state than the impotent ONLF even.

The Federal structure in Ethiopia under the EPRDF is reaching maturation and I predict that the growth in prosperity and economic ties will tie Somali Region closer to the fabric of Ethiopia more than any forced or enticed political measures. Within a decade or two, expect things to normalize as the younger generations who are now taking the fruits of the free education take over the reins of society and the old Siyaad Barre era generation dies off.

I think the Ethiopian diaspora opposition underestimates how deeply-embedded and resilient the federal structure in Ethiopia under the EPRDF is. Likewise for Somalis outside of the Somali Region from Somalia or the diaspora; this is not 1975 and the future is against any sort of bid for secession in Somali Region, by force or otherwise. No will, no way.



Re: The issue of OGADEN SOMALI and OROMO REGION, a question to zack and alike!

Postby ethiopianunity » 25 Jun 2013, 11:48


Individual wrote:No Country can live peacefully and prosperous when they are in a conflict of force occupation in the 21Century!, It is a fact that Ethiopia will never be a peace functioning State because of the force occupation they are in, unless they give the occupied (oromo and Somali regions) their freedom!

Their have been polls lately about the internal political divisions in ethiopia, of how they would achieve their freedom from the occupier regime of tigray, suggested ideas were, seek help from Egypt, Eritrea and UN financely and weaponry.

Everyone knows that an forced union does not work, because in essence that is occupation, lack of free will!

Will the Ethiopians always have to worry about the instability in their region that is pain in the neck for their Development in Economy and Peaceful environment.

This internal conflict will continue forever, until free those regions.

Eritrea has left with 99.6 % UN referendum of self determination, and Somali region will probably break away in the next 5 years ( Somalia invaded you ethiopia since their independence 6 times because of the ogadenia Somali region you occupy, the last invasion of Siad barre took almost 75% land of ethiopia until Russia, Cuba and Yemen came to rescue Ethiopia, and we all know somalia is back slowly rebuilding its army and Somalia won't rest until you leave western somalia region), oromo will leave also maybe in 10 years time!

So question to those who understand The Ethiopian politics; will the Somali Region (aka Ogadenia) and Oromo have their freedom based on the Ethiopian Constitution on Self-determination peacefully of forcefull and when?

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NB; Ethiopia Constitution

Article 39 The Right of Nations, Nationalities and Peoples

1. Every nation, nationality or people in Ethiopia shall have the unrestricted right to self determination up to secession




I didn't get my answer last time from you and you kept silence. The question is, what is in it for you? Who made you the decider? What is your interest mr. Shabia?



Re: The issue of OGADEN SOMALI and OROMO REGION, a question to zack and alike!

Postby Zack » 25 Jun 2013, 11:51


Halyeyga i never knew u were pro Ethiopia , you are almost sounding as Woyannelander and his 10 nicknames lol



Re: The issue of OGADEN SOMALI and OROMO REGION, a question to zack and alike!

Postby ethiopianunity » 25 Jun 2013, 11:54


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Re: The issue of OGADEN SOMALI and OROMO REGION, a question to zack and alike!

Postby Zack » 25 Jun 2013, 11:58


By the way it is true that shaebia blocked Ogaden secession when they were allies with Woyanne. But this is no longer the case. Woyanne helped with the official independence cause of Eritrea , shaebia than would protect woyane against other opposition olf onlf Amhara radicals. But this is no longer the case shaebia does not care if Ethiopia remains together , unless shaebia has its foot in Ethiopia they might be against oromo and somali secession if they intstall TPDM shaebia does not care about Ethiopia its just protecting its interests. I swear i would have done the same as shaebia safe eritrea throw the rest in the fire. Why not but shaebia regrets they supported woyanne , woyanne killed more than 20.000 Eritreans in the border war and still occupies badme. Shaebia is being tarnished by sanctions isolation. Ethiopias collapse is in their best interests this is not the 90s any more when Shaebia and woyanne were best allies shabeans were very rich back than. Allot of things changed.Somali region will get independence it just depends when and how and with he right mechanism.



Re: The issue of OGADEN SOMALI and OROMO REGION, a question to zack and alike!

Postby Individual » 25 Jun 2013, 12:06


Ethiopiaunity really sums up the Ethiopian desperation of holding on to an Illegal Land through brute costly atrocity occupation!

Ethiopia will break apart, whether you like it or not!

NB; You need help if you really think somali people in Ethiopia have a close tie with Ethiopia than Somalia, you can't keep families apart!
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