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Emperor Yohaness IV of Ethiopia, the only greatest modern Emperor Ethiopia produced

Postby Dejazmch of Tigrai » 05 Jan 2013, 14:00


Emperor Yohaness of Enderta and Tembien, who successfully defended the territorial integrity of Ethiopia for 17 years, Had it not had been for Atse Yohaness, Ethiopia by now would have been divided among 6 different republics. Atse Yohaness more than any emperor in modern Ethiopia fought with Italia, Egypt, Sudan and Egypt and in all he squarely defeaed them. Had he been like Minlik and chosen the easy way out which is to sign off and give teritroies like what minilik had done to merbmiash giving it to the Italians, by now there wouldn’t be anything Ethiopia. Thanks to Atse Yohaness, Ethiopia’s territorial integrity was respeted and honered no mehal ager ruler fought against forein enemies more than Atse Yohaness. The tyrant Tedros who merely ruled for 11 years at the most, ruled just 3 proinces at best, Begemedir, Gojam and Wello. Tedros through his puppets Rasi Byru tried to rule Tigray but the astute Ras Aray dimtsu of Enderta defeated his puppet Rasi Baryu and declared his independence and ruled Tigray with out paying tribute to Tedros from 1855-1863 both Tigrya and merebmilash. His refusal to pay tribute or to acknowledge Tedros as Emeror land him in prison for 5 years, his nephew Dejazmach Kassa Mercha (later Atse Yohaness) also followed his uncle footstep and refused to recongnize tedros as an Emperor. Tedros never ruled Shewa nor Merebmialash which would account conservatively speaking for 40% of the territory of Abysinia. Yet we hear all the unity he brought to Ethiopia. How can one claim to have united the kingdoms of Abysinia when 40% of the chiefs never paid tribute nor acknowledged his monarchy?

Post Atse Yohaness, we have minlik as the ruler of Ethiopia and minlk was a foot dragger when it comes to defending Ethiopia’s territory, his wife had to lobby and beg him to march to Tigray to defend Ethiopia’s territorial integrity. Minlik took a sold 2 year to march to Tigray to face Ittalia and when Ethiopians engaged Italia and defeated thm, Minlik had the upper hand to drive them out of Eritrea but what minlik does? He signs and gives them the whole merbmilash to Italia, Italians didn’t know what hit them, worst off all, they saw Ethiopians, as “idiots” who after winning the war lost the battle by giving the entire Merebmialsh (Eritrea) and its people as subjects to the barbarian Italia. His act is the worst of all kind unmatched by any. Cutting the chase the most important emperor Ethiopia has ever produced and we give all credit for our existence and continuation of Ethiopianity to his Majesty Emperor Yohaness IV of Enderta and Tembien the monarch of Ethiopia 1872-1889. He succssefully defeated and repelled foreign emperialists whose ambition was to steal the many provinces of Ethiopioa and destroy andthing Ethiopia and its civilization. Europeans, Egyptians and Sudans for 17 years fought our country and in all of their evid deeds Atse Yohaness was steadfast and successfully defated them, had it not for his sacrifice there wouldn’t be Ethiopia to speak about. Had he chose like mehal ager Minlik and signed and gave territories after tertirores to foreign emperialists, there wouldn’t be any Ethiopia left now, for us to be proud but his selfless sacrifice kept Ethiopian identity, civilization and pride to conintue. May God bless the soul of our beloved Atse Yohaness IV.



Re: Emperor Yohaness IV of Ethiopia, the only greatest modern Emperor Ethiopia produced

Postby Yakume » 05 Jan 2013, 14:46


There was no country called Ethiopia before Emperor Menelik, the Negus of Shewa Oromo. Ethiopia was established by Negus Menelik, but without Ogaden and Eritrea. Until Menelik became King of Shewa, he was more commonly referred to by his baptismal name, which was Sahle Mariam. People began saying that the Emperor Menelik’s love was the gentle love of a mother rather than the stern love of a father, so he was referred to most often as “Imiye Menelik” (dearest mother Menelik), a nick-name that stuck and by which he is often referred to up to this day.

Yohannes continued the Tewodros but Menelik of Shewa (who was imprisoned by Tewodros for refusing to submit to him) and the British undermined his ambitions. The British let the Egyptians control the source of Nile, Lake Tana, and they occupied Gundet, Gura and Bogos regions. They betrayed Yohannes who was an ally of the British during the campaign against Tewodros at the Battle of Metema, in 1869. Even though Yohannes allowed Menelik back to rule Shewa after 10 years imprisonment, Menelik continued to play internal politics by seizing Wollo and putting Mohammed Ali as Governor while Yohannes fought Foreign powers.

However, Tigray and Amhara leaders believe they are not AFRICAN, but Hamito-Semitic and Arab people. When Haile Selasie was interviewed by the Nigerian Daily times about Ethiopian racial identity in the 1930s, he said, "That Ethiopians were not, and did not regard themselves as negros [sic], as they were a Hamito-Semitic people". Meles Zenawi, the leader and founder of of the current revolution in Ethiopia, said "I am Yemeni. I know myself to be a Yemeni. We are Yemenis. Apart from the royal family, the Ethiopians are Arabs".



Re: Emperor Yohaness IV of Ethiopia, the only greatest modern Emperor Ethiopia produced

Postby Dejazmch of Tigrai » 05 Jan 2013, 14:50


Yakume wrote:There was no country called Ethiopia before Emperor Menelik, the Negus of Shewa Oromo. Ethiopia was established by Negus Menelik, but without Ogaden and Eritrea. Until Menelik became King of Shewa, he was more commonly referred to by his baptismal name, which was Sahle Mariam. People began saying that the Emperor Menelik’s love was the gentle love of a mother rather than the stern love of a father, so he was referred to most often as “Imiye Menelik” (dearest mother Menelik), a nick-name that stuck and by which he is often referred to up to this day.

Yohannes continued the Tewodros but Menelik of Shewa (who was imprisoned by Tewodros for refusing to submit to him) and the British undermined his ambitions. The British let the Egyptians control the source of Nile, Lake Tana, and they occupied Gundet, Gura and Bogos regions. They betrayed Yohannes who was an ally of the British during the campaign against Tewodros at the Battle of Metema, in 1869. Even though Yohannes allowed Menelik back to rule Shewa after 10 years imprisonment, Menelik continued to play internal politics by seizing Wollo and putting Mohammed Ali as Governor while Yohannes fought Foreign powers.

However, Tigray and Amhara leaders believe they are not AFRICAN, but Hamito-Semitic and Arab people. When Haile Selasie was interviewed by the Nigerian Daily times about Ethiopian racial identity in the 1930s, he said, "That Ethiopians were not, and did not regard themselves as negros [sic], as they were a Hamito-Semitic people". Meles Zenawi, the leader and founder of of the current revolution in Ethiopia, said "I am Yemeni. I know myself to be a Yemeni. We are Yemenis. Apart from the royal family, the Ethiopians are Arabs".


I was reading your writing with great interest, I stopped and all went down hill when you invoked the dead frog's name, "as having decsended from the yemeni" the dead frog would say he is from any country to collect alms. :lol: :lol:




Re: Emperor Yohaness IV of Ethiopia, the only greatest modern Emperor Ethiopia produced

Postby Tadesse » 05 Jan 2013, 15:09


May be there were some faults,but Atse Yohannes have ruled as an Ethiopian not as Enderta-Tenbien.You are destroying history with the other people like you who are insulting us because of some mad people with out any knowledge or style.



Re: Emperor Yohaness IV of Ethiopia, the only greatest modern Emperor Ethiopia produced

Postby Semira » 05 Jan 2013, 15:51


dejazmach of Tigray

Enough of twisting history and facts. The problem with you is that you exaggerate matters too much to look very important. yes, atse yohannes was a great leader and we all love him. But he was also treasonous and you have to acknowledge that. He brought the British all the way to the gates of megdalla and we lost one of the greatest hero Ethiopia produced I.e Theodrows. If that is not treason, you better go to hospital and get yourself checked. Teodros lived sleepless life unifying the fragmented country that was living a lawless mesafint and war lord life. He did not deserve such betrayal. An eye for an eye being the law, don't lament if minilik refused to go to metemma to assist yohannes. After all, you should know that yohannes was hated for the death of teodros.

You also need to know that yohannes was the most hated leader amongst the Muslims of Ethiopia particularly wollo muslims. He massacred them and yohannes was actually gunned down by this wollo Muslims from the back on the verge of victory according to those who were there at the time. Yohannes also committed genocide in gojjam and the trauma still exists there through poems and songs. And the main reason the mehadists of Sudan and the dervishes were so upset that triggered them to invade Gondar was because yohannes enlisted himself as a mercenary to the British colonialists who put their eyes on the Sudan. The dervish lived in the lowland and have no interest in highland Ethiopia until yohannes collaborated with the British as he did to Theodrows. In light of that, minilik was not foolish to sit like a duck till yohannes and the British get him. He communicated with Italy, France, Russia and anyone out ther who can assist him on modern weapons. As simple as that.

Don't twist history for your purpose.



Re: Emperor Yohaness IV of Ethiopia, the only greatest modern Emperor Ethiopia produced

Postby Tadesse » 05 Jan 2013, 16:41


Semira,
Do you call Mengistu a hero who blew out the candle and brought darkness to all of us,I even heard Atse Yohannes profecized on what will happen to Ethiopia, he said as I have heard,some unworthy person will destroy my country.Mengist and those people who are in power in the name of Tigrai are the most shameful people.No body in Tigrai idealize any body including Atse Yohannes.No Tigrean should be also blamed for the mistakes done when he was in power in that miserable time in history,Ethiopia is a Christian land surrounded by religious enemies,that is what happend,he was betrayed by Victoria and the Italians,Shame on them to what happend to both kings,Thewodros and Yohannes,some writers say Victoria payed a heavy price in the first world war,one of Oscar Wilde's anger against her had some thing to do also with the death of Thewodro and what was happening in Ethiopia,abondend by the white man.



Re: Emperor Yohaness IV of Ethiopia, the only greatest modern Emperor Ethiopia produced

Postby Dejazmch of Tigrai » 05 Jan 2013, 17:42


Semira wrote:dejazmach of Tigray

Enough of twisting history and facts. The problem with you is that you exaggerate matters too much to look very important. yes, atse yohannes was a great leader and we all love him. But he was also treasonous and you have to acknowledge that. He brought the British all the way to the gates of megdalla and we lost one of the greatest hero Ethiopia produced I.e Theodrows. If that is not treason, you better go to hospital and get yourself checked. Teodros lived sleepless life unifying the fragmented country that was living a lawless mesafint and war lord life. He did not deserve such betrayal. An eye for an eye being the law, don't lament if minilik refused to go to metemma to assist yohannes. After all, you should know that yohannes was hated for the death of teodros.

You also need to know that yohannes was the most hated leader amongst the Muslims of Ethiopia particularly wollo muslims. He massacred them and yohannes was actually gunned down by this wollo Muslims from the back on the verge of victory according to those who were there at the time. Yohannes also committed genocide in gojjam and the trauma still exists there through poems and songs. And the main reason the mehadists of Sudan and the dervishes were so upset that triggered them to invade Gondar was because yohannes enlisted himself as a mercenary to the British colonialists who put their eyes on the Sudan. The dervish lived in the lowland and have no interest in highland Ethiopia until yohannes collaborated with the British as he did to Theodrows. In light of that, minilik was not foolish to sit like a duck till yohannes and the British get him. He communicated with Italy, France, Russia and anyone out ther who can assist him on modern weapons. As simple as that.

Don't twist history for your purpose.


Sister semina, I thank you for respecting and loving our beloved emperor. Having said that, Atse Yohaness never brought the English to meqdelle. First of all it was Atse Tedrose's refusal to release prisoners that prompted the invasion of Britain to free up prisoners under General Napier in 1867, at that time Dejazmach Kassa Bezebz was governor of Enderta and Tembien he weas no where as powerful as that of King Minilik, nor Wagshum Gebremedhin nor the king of Gojam. The british had made it to northern Ethiopia, knowing Atse Yohaness was a sworn enemy of Atse Teros, the british merely wanted a passage to meqela. Dej. Kassa never supplied soliders nor collaborated with the british, they just needed a passage and Dej. Kassa one of the few lords of northern Abysinia was in no way to stop the British with their modern armanents and thousands of soliders. In the other hand Minilik and wagshum gebremedihn were the most powerful who are almost in par with Atse Tedros with strength yet when General napier invaded Gonder, they didn't come to Tedros' aid. In fact, Minlik had sent his support to General naipier by writing him a letter which says among other things, "the tyrant has to go" and we all are behind, there is a letter, the same thing with the king of Gojam and Begemider they never came to Tedrose's aid though they were powerful. So the blame against Dejazmach Kassa then governor of Enderta and Tembien, doesn't hold any merit, he wasn't strong enough to matter in the invasion of Napier. And when Tedros died it was Wagshum Gobeze who became king thus it shows Dejazmach Kassa was not that great at that time, it was after 3 years that Dejamach Kassa became slowly too powerful and challenged Wagshum Gobezze. Therefore, the myth that Dejazmach Kassa collaborated in the down fall of Atse Tedros doesn't hold water, if anything the chiefs of shewa, gojam, begemider and agew medir should have come to his aid to defend their fellow amhara king but they didn't and that says a lot.



Re: Emperor Yohaness IV of Ethiopia, the only greatest modern Emperor Ethiopia produced

Postby Halafi Mengedi » 05 Jan 2013, 19:22


Semira is telling us the history book written by Amhara to cover their bedrail to their own people of Amhara in Gonder.

1. The British came via Metema from Sudan to Gonder; they did not come via Mekele.

2. Tigray was not in charge of Ethiopia, Tigray was part of the Mesafint era had no responsibility more than the others to protect Ethiopia in every corner of the country.

3. Tewedros quarrel was not about the country but it was about Puxxsy he wants a white woman instead of the Gonder woman. No reason any Ethiopian to go to war to help him. I am sure all Ethiopians at the time were ashamed one Ethiopian claims as King and wanted to marry white woman from unknown country to the majority of Ethiopians.

4 Wello, Gojjam and Shewa are nearest to Meqdela than Tigray and they should have come to his aid.

5. Why the ocher region of Amhara did not come to help fellow Amhara when he was attacked by foreign soldiers???

6. Why today's Amhara people failed to connect the above logic and see the above reasons and questions and correct their own history???

7. When King Yohannes was in charge of Ethiopia, for the first time King Yohannes and Ras Alula shaped the history of Ethiopia and brought Ethiopia to the whole world as equal and strong nation and proud people ever.

8. During King Yohannes time the world was very troubling and every European was scrambling to take African countries to their own domain and Ethiopia fought very hard for the pride of Ethiopia.

9. King Yohannes was the only Ethiopian leader who gave his life to defend other ethnic Ethiopian.

10. Amhara should have been grateful for the Tigrayans to die for them when the Muslim from Sudan came to destroy them and the enemy destroyed many churches and slaughtered many Amhara residents yet the Amhara Wello, Gojjam and Shewa did not came to rescue their own ethnic from slaughter by the Muslim Mahdi of Sudan but the Tigrayans came and gave heavy price for the Amhara.



Re: Emperor Yohaness IV of Ethiopia, the only greatest modern Emperor Ethiopia produced

Postby dano » 05 Jan 2013, 19:40


3. Tewedros quarrel was not about the country but it was about Puxxsy he wants a white woman instead of the Gonder woman. No reason any Ethiopian to go to war to help him. I am sure all Ethiopians at the time were ashamed one Ethiopian claims as King and wanted to marry white woman from unknown country to the majority of Ethiopians.

H... Mengedi,
What is this thing about the white woman and Tewodros?
I did not hear about it. I know he jailed a bunch of white people and he forced them to make artillery.
Are you saying the British came to take the white lady from Tewodros and not to colonize?

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