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Re: The most influential leaders of modern Ethiopia.

Postby Dejach Aklilu » 30 Dec 2012, 12:13


Yusuf Hiigsi Muzaydi wrote:if you want my opinion in Ethiopia and in Africa the most influential would be Haile sellesie and Menelik one for his role against the Italians colonialists showing the quiet leadership Africa never had. And haile selassie for forming a gateway between the old Ethiopia and the modern Ethiopia even though he had lots of shortcomings.

Yusuf Hiigsi
The Chief negotiator


Ato Yusuf, your opinion is appreciated and I see where you are coming from by saying haile silassie and Menelik are the most influential. But in my opinion these two individuals were only finishing what tewodros started. Tewodros's drive for unity using military power was a monumental and the most important change that occureded in the horn of Africa at that time. Hence, he deserves he title as the "most influential". But this topic is up for debate and evryone's opinion is welcome.



Re: The most influential leaders of modern Ethiopia.

Postby Naga Tuma » 30 Dec 2012, 12:25


Dejach Aklilu wrote:Ato Yusuf, your opinion is appreciated and I see where you are coming from by saying haile silassie and Menelik are the most influential. But in my opinion these two individuals were only finishing what tewodros started. Tewodros's drive for unity using military power was a monumental and the most important change that occureded in the horn of Africa at that time. Hence, he deserves he title as the "most influential". But this topic is up for debate and evryone's opinion is welcome.

Keep them coming. This list can go up to one hundred or more. I want to learn more about what the people I heard about have done, including how they got the titles. I didn't know much about Belay Zeleke and know little about the other Rases, such as Ras Alula, Ras Abebe, and so on. I think it should also include people who were resistant to the centralization effort, such as King Tona, since they have also made history, and their quests are still part of the solution that may have to be put on the axis of centralization-decentralization tendencies.



Re: The most influential leaders of modern Ethiopia.

Postby Etopian enquirer » 30 Dec 2012, 17:01


This topic is so much more educational and better than the usual garbage on this forum. So thanx Elias and the starter of the topic Dejach aklilu. We Ethiopians should take what's good about our history and leave what bad behind. I also like aklilu's interpretations. Coz he has put differing views and opinions on the people in the list. Thanx again.

Ethiopian enquirer



Re: The most influential leaders of modern Ethiopia.

Postby Dejach Aklilu » 02 Jan 2013, 17:33


Naga Tuma wrote:
Dejach Aklilu wrote:Ato Yusuf, your opinion is appreciated and I see where you are coming from by saying haile silassie and Menelik are the most influential. But in my opinion these two individuals were only finishing what tewodros started. Tewodros's drive for unity using military power was a monumental and the most important change that occureded in the horn of Africa at that time. Hence, he deserves he title as the "most influential". But this topic is up for debate and evryone's opinion is welcome.

Keep them coming. This list can go up to one hundred or more. I want to learn more about what the people I heard about have done, including how they got the titles. I didn't know much about Belay Zeleke and know little about the other Rases, such as Ras Alula, Ras Abebe, and so on. I think it should also include people who were resistant to the centralization effort, such as King Tona, since they have also made history, and their quests are still part of the solution that may have to be put on the axis of centralization-decentralization tendencies.


i agree...the next person on the list is against the centralization and Ethiopian nationalism in general.



Re: The most influential leaders of modern Ethiopia.

Postby Dejach Aklilu » 02 Jan 2013, 19:11


13. Ato Walleligne Mekonnen Kassa Kurahe Born; Debre Sina, Wollo
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In terms of influence, Walleligne Mekonnen is one of the least under-estimated and under-credited Ethiopian individuals. He is the second most influential person who have influenced modern Ethiopia while not having held any official political position of the state. The other being Abune Petros who is the most influential person with no political positions in his CV.
Walleligne was born in Debre Sina, Wollo although some sources say he was born in Amara Sayint. After finishing his high school studies, he enrolled into Addis Ababa university. Where he became active in student activism which at the time subscribed to radical socialist ideology. He eventually rose to be a very well known figure among the students and managed to write, arguably the most important, the most controversial and the most debatable article concerning modern Ethiopia. It was called "On the question of nationalities in Ethiopia". He paid a heavy price for his outspoken views even to the extent of being imprisoned but was later freed due to the emperor's pardon.
Walleligne political outlook in short characterized Ethiopian nationalism as non-existent. It was a simple tool the monarchy used to preach unity and protect their feudal rule. He viewed Ethiopianwinet as just being an Amara. Viewing the ruling class of the Negede-Amara and their junior partners the Tigres as subjugators of other ethnic groups within the state called Ethiopia. He acknowledged that Ethiopia wasn't a nation but rather was a state with many imprisoned nationalities. Therefore Walleligne's influence is clearly evident on EPRDF's constitution which starts as "We the nations, nationalities and peoples of Ethiopia..." as well as guarenteeing secession for any nationality within the state(Article 39). If any one person who could've single handedly written the woyanne's constituion, it would have been Walleligne Mekonnen. The operation by EPRDF to capture the city of Desse,Wollo in the civil war was named "Operation Walleligne" in honour of him.
Walleligne's critics hold him and the student movement of the 1960s primarily responsible for the downward spirall Ethiopia has gone through ever since the fall of the monarchy. They also say that the type of ethnic politics Walleligne has preached has been practiced by woyanne, and the only thing the country has gained is more ethnic tensions, hatred and possibly ethnic based warfare.
On the other hand Walleligne's supporters say that Woyanne's model of politics in Ethiopia should not be equated with Walleligne's ideology. Because woyanne practices ethnic politics not for the well-being of the ethnicities in the country but as a divide and rule tactic. Hence, they think that Wallelign's ideology has not been properly tried and tested in Ethiopia and will in time be the right ideology for the future. Whether you disagree with Walleligne's veiws or agree with them, there is one fact that both his critics and supporters seem to agree on, It is that he was one of the most influential people to have ever come out of modern Ethiopia. And deserves to be named as the 13th most influential person. Walleligne was buried in Desse after he was killed when participating in a failed attempt to hijack an Ethiopian airplane.



Re: The most influential leaders of modern Ethiopia.

Postby Dejach Aklilu » 03 Jan 2013, 11:10


14. Ato Balcha Safo later Dejazmach Balcha Safo aka Abba Nefso Born; Gurageland
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Balcha Safo was one of the many men Menelik nurtured from a nobody to greatness. He was captured by Menelik's men just like the other famous shewan Fitawrari Habte-Giyorgis. Menelik ordered Ras Mekonnen to tutor the young Balcha. After a while with Ras Mekonnen, he is sent to Menelik's court. Then the two develop a father-son relationship culminating in Blacha gaining Menelik's trust. Resulting in Balcha being appointed treasurer of Menelik's court. His influence and reputation though wasn't high until he participated in two major battles, Battle of Mekelle and Adwa in which the simple treasurer proved his military might on the battlefield as well. Menelik appoints him the rank of Dejazmach as a reward as well as Governor of Sidamo region. Later, Balcha served as a governor of Harar. It was a task which he found hard to perform. Harar was a place with so many different types of people and a trading hub that attracted Oromos, Amharas, Somalis, Yemenis, Aderes, Afars, Frenchmen and many more. A governorship of Harar was a delicate business in which only Ras Mekonnen excelled at with his cautious approach to governing and respect to ethnic diversity. During Ras Mekonnen's time Harar transformed from a focal point of violence to being a pacified trading center with booming economy. But Balcha governing style didn't suit the local populace and he was largelytunrned out to be unpopular due to the many restrictions and regulations he introduced which curtailed the once booming economic activity. He was removed from Harar not long after and moved back to his previous position as Governor of Sidamo.
After Menelik's death, Balcha was noted for his contant refusal to follow orders form the central government. He viewed Menelik's successors as not fit enough to sit on the same throne as the former Emperor, whom he considered a father figure. He confronted Ras Tefferi Mekonnen numerious times and was once involved in a conspiracy to overthrow him led by Wubeshet Haile which landed him in prison. After numerous confrontations and feuds with Ras Tefferi(later Emp. haile-silassie), Balcha ends up being sentenced to death, but later the sentence was reduced. He even referred to Emp. Haile-Silassie by his given birth name "Tefferi" refusing to acknowledge his competence to succeed Menelik). Instead he ended up in a monastery until Italy's second invasion. During the second invasion by Italy, Emp. Haile-Silassie urges the aged Balcha to mobalise resistance fighters. Blacha leaves aside their feud and obliges to engage a common foreign enemy out of his loyality to Emp. Menelik. The Dejazmach though, wasn't his former self as he has aged considerably. Nevertheless, he led a group of resistance fighters, which wasn't enough to withstand Italy's weaponary and firepower, resulting in most of his followers dead or critically wounded. After little success he enjoyed, Balcha contacts the Italian commander around Harar, telling him he is ready to surrender to the Italians and is willing to meet him in at a specific location. The Italians acknowledged the significance of the surrender of a distinguished Shewan noble and a famous Adwa veteran. They knew it will be a huge blow to the other resistant fighters operating mainly in Gojjam and Shewa. Therefore they arrive to the location with numerous senior officers and commanders to receive the surrendering Dejazmach. They approached Balcha who at the time was dressed in the traditional Ethiopian white overalls. Suddenly for the Italians though, the ceremony of surrender didn't go according to what they expected, the aged Dejazmach recited Menelik's name out loud followed by a machine gun rampage that left most of the Italian senior officers present dead before being killed himself. That action, assured Balcha as a figure of pride in being Ethiopian and will surely be place in the hearts and minds of Ethiopians for a long time. He has a hospital named in his honour in Addis Ababa. Dejazmach Balcha career is a typical story of "Zero to hero". Turned from a simple prisoner of war into a an acclaimed patriot, an influential and nationalistic figure who has written his name in Ethiopian history in indelible ink. To some extent Emp. Menelik is considered the greatest leader by so many people because he raised and nurtured people like Dejazmach Balcha, Fitawrari Habte-Giyorgis, Ras Gobenna and Ras Mekonnen, without being curtailed by these men's different ethnicity, language and culture. Emp. Menelik simply chose these nobles according to their ability. The accomplishment of somebody like Balcha testifies to that fact. Balcha could easily have been condemned to a lifetime of hard labor because he was after all a simple prisoner of war with no aristocratic background as well as being from a different ethnicity to that of Menelik, but instead Menelik elevated him and many others considering only their ability and talents, which in turn made the Emperor accomplish so much. It is something that Woyanne's ethnic politics could learn a thing or two from.



Re: The most influential leaders of modern Ethiopia.

Postby Deqi-Arawit » 03 Jan 2013, 11:16


I think this is racist list.. :lol: When some Goat herders ugly people are in the list...Why was General Aman Andom Absent. Northern Girma {Charisma] is all over his face 8)

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Re: The most influential leaders of modern Ethiopia.

Postby Dejach Aklilu » 03 Jan 2013, 11:37


Deqi-Arawit wrote:I think this is racist list.. :lol: When some Goat herders ugly people are in the list...Why was General Aman Andom Absent. Northern Girma {Charisma] is all over his face 8)

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Great grandpa deqi...why do you people always see everything through the ethnic glass? It's always we did that, we did this. This is something both Tigrayans and you their eritrean cousins have in common.

The list is based on who left a mark on Ethiopia's history. Are you telling me Aman Andom left a bigger mark on Ethiopian history than say... Balcha? :lol:
Like I said before...grandpa... You are GUILTY of overestimating your importance.

BTW...I'm still waiting for my questn I asked you? :lol:



Re: The most influential leaders of modern Ethiopia.

Postby Dejach Aklilu » 03 Jan 2013, 11:37


Deqi-Arawit wrote:I think this is racist list.. :lol: When some Goat herders ugly people are in the list...Why was General Aman Andom Absent. Northern Girma {Charisma] is all over his face 8)

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Great grandpa deqi...why do you people always see everything through the ethnic glass? It's always we did that, we did this. This is something both Tigrayans and you their eritrean cousins have in common.

The list is based on who left a mark on Ethiopia's history. Are you telling me Aman Andom left a bigger mark on Ethiopian history than say... Balcha? :lol:
Like I said before...grandpa... You are GUILTY of overestimating your importance.

BTW...I'm still waiting for a response on the questn I asked you?



Re: The most influential leaders of modern Ethiopia.

Postby whereisthefrog » 03 Jan 2013, 11:43


Dejach Aklilu wrote:
Deqi-Arawit wrote:I think this is racist list.. :lol: When some Goat herders ugly people are in the list...Why was General Aman Andom Absent. Northern Girma {Charisma] is all over his face 8)

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Great grandpa deqi...why do you people always see everything through the ethnic glass? It's always we did that, we did this. This is something both Tigrayans and you their eritrean cousins have in common.

The list is based on who left a mark on Ethiopia's history. Are you telling me Aman Andom left a bigger mark on Ethiopian history than say... Balcha? :lol:
Like I said before...grandpa... You are GUILTY of overestimating your importance.

BTW...I'm still waiting for a response on the questn I asked you?

you owe the OGADEN VICTORY to the above general if he hasn't left a mark in your history then I wonder who did :mrgreen: probs the ferenji [deleted] kisser minilik :lol:

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