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Hayal bahringa: Tell me who where the Agazians??

Postby Ertrawnet » 17 Oct 2011, 09:46


Who where the agazians? who where the allies of Agazians? Did they have any religon, or where they pagans??

Tell me what you know :lol: :lol:



Re: Hayal bahringa: Tell me who where the Agazians??

Postby Hayal_Bahrigna » 17 Oct 2011, 12:34


Agazians were the self Called Tigre who Migrated on many waves from Arabia on a span of 4000 years from Arabia.. They are Known as the Himyarite..the old Himyarite Tribes. Upon their Migration to Eritrea starting from 2000b.c till 1200 a.d into Eritrea Due to the semitic Push from syria They called who ever Migrated "Agee-zay" Meaning "The Wonderer" or "The nomad"..In all 38 Clans of the agazian are know today 32 In eritrea and 6 In east sudan. The agazians are the old himyarite Tribes and are of Kushtic Descent through their Fifth Son Sabta.In europe Before the 15th century tigre or agazian were known as "akkadian" Language, The old akkadian of babel had their capital "tigre" Which is a name Given to them By the madeans due to their suprior Fighting Skills. Among their clans were came to Eritrea were many in today's eritrea, The belew kelew who are ancestors of alot of eritreans today and the founders of the "tigrigna"language...They were also the creators of the old pre-axumite Kingdom D'mt or as known to them "Midr agee'zai" and its capital Matara, Land of the nomads. Other Tribes who Migrated to mention afew are the Asa-wurta, Minferie from the saho Group, Hazzega, zual and nabara from the Kebessa Group, mensai and many more from the tigre group, and Halenga Beja who are originally From seraye Region but migrated to east sudan 200 years ago and adopted beja as a language instead of Tigre. The agazians aka Tigrettes aka xasa aka Himyraites Are all the same names given to them by different People, Agaizans were Given the name by themselves, The word Origin is only found In Tigre and other langauges Might have adopted The word But the meaning Changed, In tigre ägee-zka In tigrigna keed-ka Means the same "wondered" " Gone", Saa-hoo In afar means Nomad or agazian also a name they also gave themselves.In amharic it means "Free" but In amharic its one word agazi while in Tigre you can see the Root of the word ag-eez-ka.

The Kurds and Indo euro Tribes called them "Tigre" The ancient egyptians called them "Ta xasa", Eritreans elders Always Claimed That Their First Origin is from Iraq babylon. When they say that Geéz Could be the oldest Writing that could be true Because the old chaldeans Tribes are known to invent Writing in mespotomia, and the Fidal Lita writing was only designed for The geéz script to reflect its potential, It was brought By the Agazians when they migrated to yemen from iraq around when the assyrians Invaded their capital and named it Tigre ashur.To the ancient egyptians They were always allied with the egyptains and intermarried with the New kingdom Dynasties, it is believed That nefertiti and akhnetan spoke Tigre as well according to History Records (I read this on a greek hisotrian Journal Travelling to egypt But can't confirm this 100% at the time, Need more research) Infact in the book of the dead the xasa were among the people who were equalled to the ancient egyptians and entered heaven with them while almost everyone else went to hell.Thier old religion pre-chirsitianity and islam were Various. the Himyarite Tribe Stretched From North yemen all the way to the border of isreal on the west coast of the arabian sea and inland to the Edge of what is iraq today after they left babylon, Some worshipped the moon, others idols, others seth who was Included into the ancient egyptian Gods as equal when the New kingdom of egypt took place, the hitties kingdom claimed that the New kingdom of egypt and xasa are the same people with same culture and looks and similar langauge, Meaning ofcourse that the Old himyarite tribes and beja were one tribe in ancient times.The ancient egyptians and their allies the xasa saved juresalem and defended it against the assyrians before the peak of the assyrian empire was just too strong and the himyarite all moved south to yemen to live among their fellow clans kins, starting from 2000 b.c when the first Agazians crossed the red sea to what Eritrea today The last Clan of agazians to leave arabia were the asa-wurta who speak saho today In the 12th century AD.. asa-wurta means a person who is wearing Bracelet, because such nature of their war like for every 10 they killed they wore a silver bracelet showing their bravery and warriorism, Today we wouldn't see them wearing much excpet for culture ocassions to reflect their heritage.In the old days some wore soo many bracelet that covered both hands almost to their elbows, the name was given to them by the arabs because of its unusual sight as men wearing many bracelet.

Agazians is the name Given by the tigre to themselves for other clans who decided to move, eventually everyone moved, its the himyarite Tribe of yemen who are the source of the geéz and Fidal-lita. The habesh are completly Different and are the historic Foe of the Himyarite/agazians, They spoke sabean (a language today similar to harari) and since their arrival in yemen with the semitic Migration Tried to integrate them into habesh, However Most of the habesh today speak Himyarite and write In fidal Lita....Its another Reason why the some amhara have relaised that and claim that they are also of agazian roots and of old Himyarite Tribe Abandoning That they are of habesh roots, Indirectly some amhara and Gurage are claiming to be from eritrea to strengthen their Claim...That is the reason I told you If you are eritrean you should know better, Agazians Never been south of the mereb and defended north of the mereb all their Life...Amahara are Not stupid They know who and where Geez came from but they can't claim any agazian root unless they were in Eritrea.Today descandents of the agazians speak 4 langauges their own which is tigre, Saho which is a mix of Tigre and AFAR, BEDAWI who Tribe like the halenga and sub clans of bani amer adopted, and ofcourse the master piece Tigrigna A beja and arabic speaking Clan belewkelew who switched to Tigre and borrow from saho language to Form a new Unorthodox Langauge rich in Vocabulary with a semitic Base to grow non stop while having the Title of the only Semitic Langauge with a pure Kushtic Grammer only the belew comes with this unqiue langauge, was voted recently By arabs to be the most semitic Language they would like to learn.

Ask if you have miore questions.

Hayal_Bahrigna



Re: Hayal bahringa: Tell me who where the Agazians??

Postby AFDist » 17 Oct 2011, 12:47


"....it is believed That nefertiti and akhnetan spoke Tigre as well according to History Records (I read this on a greek hisotrian Journal Travelling to egypt But can't confirm this 100% at the time, Need more research)..."

Hayal,
don't miss that Nefertiti is classical Afaan Oromo name! Anyways, Eritreans are as Cushitic as the Oromo! We are related. I am sorry for those, who denied their Cushitic base and wanted to be "Tsiyonawit Tigrai" and "Ze Negede Yihuda"! But are you sure that your language is "the only Semitic Langauge with a pure Kushtic Grammer". If it is the language with "Cushitic" grammar, why do you call it Semetic? Words are leading the Grammar? :D Otherwise, I enjoyed your writing! :!: :!:



Re: Hayal bahringa: Tell me who where the Agazians??

Postby Ertrawnet » 17 Oct 2011, 22:40


Hayal bahringa,


I have a teory about who the agazians was, and i agree with you that they came from Arabia or Yemen, and they where Himyarites, they inhabited the capital city of marib in the Sabean kingdom.



The Azd or Al Azd, are an Arabian tribe. They were a branch of the Kahlan tribe, which was one of the two branches of Qahtan the other being Himyar.
In the ancient times, they inhabited Ma'rib, the capital city of the Sabaean Kingdom in modern-day Yemen. Their lands were irrigated by the Ma'rib Dam, which is thought by some to have been one of the Ancient World Wonders because of its size. When the dam collapsed for the third time in the 3rd century AD, a large number of the Azd tribe left Yemen and immigrated in many directions. Azd is also a widely used male name in Yemen




Later this pepole became Ghazzani or Ghassanids, they are famous for immigrating to the levant where they created another kingdom namley the ghassanid kingdom..Remember they where Orhodox christians before they left Yemen!!!


The Ghassanids (Arabic: الغساسنة‎) (al-Ghassaniya, also Banū Ghassān "Sons of Ghassān") were a group of South Arabian Christian tribes that emigrated in the early 3rd century from Yemen to Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and the Holy Land. The term Ghassān refers to the kingdom of the Ghassanids, an ancient Arab Christian kingdom in the Levant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghassanids¨


























Some of the ghassanids are today called "Chrisitan palestines" and are Orthodox and among them there is pepole of Black Orgin

Celebration of epiphany

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christian
Old Pic from Ghassanid history books, one of them is clearly black
Image
School in syria called Al Ghassaniya









Also in Syria a there is Monestrey created by a monek who they called "Musa el habashi"






















Two famous Palestians of Al-Ghassani orgin who created PFLP they where freedomfighters or fedayeens

Geroge Habash

















Wadi Haddad













The word habehsa or abesha in amharic is connected to Kabessa, kabessa pepople did move southward and settled among the Agaws who they Christinaized. later the agaws adopted thier langauge and customs and started to call them selfs "abeshawi"= kabessawi

The Kebessawi Agazians created Debre sina in Anseba wich became the favorite spot of christian najranis of yemen, atcually they had thier own town calld hager nagran, at one point some of these kebessawi and Najranis moved southwards to spread christianity as prevoius Kebessawians had done, and created Debre Sina in monestery in Ethiopia!!



In 523-524 A.D. the remaints of the christian martyrs of Najran in Yemen came to Sahel, still known as Hagere Nagran, helped by Negus Kaleb. A swedish translation from a book found by R Sundstrom when he found this book in Debre Sina, 1910 ”The Martyrs in Nagranhttp://www.modaina.com/the_tribes ... thers.html


The first Popes of Roman church where Ghassanids and Agazians,but emperor Constantine of Rome later decided to erase everything about the "Egyptians"(Ghassanids) and the "Abessinians" (Agazians) from the Holy scriptures
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeQA0t38TWo&feature=related[/youtube]





















Do you think there is any connection between Al Ghassaniya and Agazaniya?? :lol: :lol:



Re: Hayal bahringa: Tell me who where the Agazians??

Postby Hayal_Bahrigna » 18 Oct 2011, 09:23


AFDist wrote:"....it is believed That nefertiti and akhnetan spoke Tigre as well according to History Records (I read this on a greek hisotrian Journal Travelling to egypt But can't confirm this 100% at the time, Need more research)..."

Hayal,
don't miss that Nefertiti is classical Afaan Oromo name! Anyways, Eritreans are as Cushitic as the Oromo! We are related. I am sorry for those, who denied their Cushitic base and wanted to be "Tsiyonawit Tigrai" and "Ze Negede Yihuda"! But are you sure that your language is "the only Semitic Langauge with a pure Kushtic Grammer". If it is the language with "Cushitic" grammar, why do you call it Semetic? Words are leading the Grammar? :D Otherwise, I enjoyed your writing! :!: :!:


Yes Tigrigna is the only Language with semitic vocabulary and Kushtic Grammer, the reason for that is because The belew kelew Spoke Bedawi and arabic was an influence since they lived in the arabian peninsula, Once they Moved to Eritrea they spoke Bedawi but the influence of arabic was Visible in their langauge, when they moved to the highland and adopted geez They created a creole of Tigre/geez Using their bedawi Influenced Arabic prononciation, That is why Tigrigna in many part is Tigre but with arabic prononciation due to the belew kelew beja being influenced By arabic. The best example of that is the word "AB" to determine Location, eg ab ethiopianreview or at ethiopian review, this word is exclusive to Bedawi Beja among the kushtic branch, Tigrigna is still Semitic because of the Fundemental Base of the language, but is heavily Influenced By beja Grammer and words and few saho words also, From the outside looking Into Tigrigna The language really Pushed the boundry of a language, with a base which can Grow to be as big as english because of its expanding capacity, The belew kelew Must've known that when they chose to have the language Foundation as semitic and the finishing touches Kushtic because kushtic language although ancient and rich in its own way it has its limit with growing because it's base restrict it from ever expanding, Best example for this is the Saho/afar language..it is the oldest language among the kushtic Group, Afar can't expand any further because of it's restriction on its base, while saho being 20%-30% Geez/tigre is now considered Richer Than the afar language, soo much that afar borrow many words from Saho, Even though Saho was a marriage between Afar and agazian/tigre.If you speak Tigrigna Try one day to speak loudly among other semitic speakers like arabs/jews etc they will be wtf is that?? sounds Familiar but the law of the semitic rule seems to be altered.Beja can understand many words if you speak tigrigna slowly, after all they can tell clearly the Print of their language on Tigrigna. Infact Tigre itself is being disputed as it may be a different Branch from semitic but might've been influenced by the semitic language at a later date, again the tigre grammer is not very convincing when it comes to the norm "semitic Grammer". As far as nefertiti/akhnetan/amhentop and the other pharohs they were said to speak a mother tongue spoken along the red sea and it sounded like bird singing, At that time the tigre speaking Beja or xasa occupied the east coast of the red sea and south west coast of the red sea and the bedawi speaking Beja occupied the north west coast of the red sea, while the afar occupied the other half of the red sea coast from massawa to djbouti.



Re: Hayal bahringa: Tell me who where the Agazians??

Postby Hayal_Bahrigna » 18 Oct 2011, 09:40


Ertrawnet wrote:Hayal bahringa,


I have a teory about who the agazians was, and i agree with you that they came from Arabia or Yemen, and they where Himyarites, they inhabited the capital city of marib in the Sabean kingdom.



The Azd or Al Azd, are an Arabian tribe. They were a branch of the Kahlan tribe, which was one of the two branches of Qahtan the other being Himyar.
In the ancient times, they inhabited Ma'rib, the capital city of the Sabaean Kingdom in modern-day Yemen. Their lands were irrigated by the Ma'rib Dam, which is thought by some to have been one of the Ancient World Wonders because of its size. When the dam collapsed for the third time in the 3rd century AD, a large number of the Azd tribe left Yemen and immigrated in many directions. Azd is also a widely used male name in Yemen




Later this pepole became Ghazzani or Ghassanids, they are famous for immigrating to the levant where they created another kingdom namley the ghassanid kingdom..Remember they where Orhodox christians before they left Yemen!!!


The Ghassanids (Arabic: الغساسنة‎) (al-Ghassaniya, also Banū Ghassān "Sons of Ghassān") were a group of South Arabian Christian tribes that emigrated in the early 3rd century from Yemen to Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and the Holy Land. The term Ghassān refers to the kingdom of the Ghassanids, an ancient Arab Christian kingdom in the Levant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghassanids¨


























Some of the ghassanids are today called "Chrisitan palestines" and are Orthodox and among them there is pepole of Black Orgin

Celebration of epiphany

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christian
Old Pic from Ghassanid history books, one of them is clearly black
Image
School in syria called Al Ghassaniya









Also in Syria a there is Monestrey created by a monek who they called "Musa el habashi"






















Two famous Palestians of Al-Ghassani orgin who created PFLP they where freedomfighters or fedayeens

Geroge Habash

















Wadi Haddad













The word habehsa or abesha in amharic is connected to Kabessa, kabessa pepople did move southward and settled among the Agaws who they Christinaized. later the agaws adopted thier langauge and customs and started to call them selfs "abeshawi"= kabessawi

The Kebessawi Agazians created Debre sina in Anseba wich became the favorite spot of christian najranis of yemen, atcually they had thier own town calld hager nagran, at one point some of these kebessawi and Najranis moved southwards to spread christianity as prevoius Kebessawians had done, and created Debre Sina in monestery in Ethiopia!!



In 523-524 A.D. the remaints of the christian martyrs of Najran in Yemen came to Sahel, still known as Hagere Nagran, helped by Negus Kaleb. A swedish translation from a book found by R Sundstrom when he found this book in Debre Sina, 1910 ”The Martyrs in Nagranhttp://www.modaina.com/the_tribes ... thers.html


The first Popes of Roman church where Ghassanids and Agazians,but emperor Constantine of Rome later decided to erase everything about the "Egyptians"(Ghassanids) and the "Abessinians" (Agazians) from the Holy scriptures
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeQA0t38TWo&feature=related[/youtube]





















Do you think there is any connection between Al Ghassaniya and Agazaniya?? :lol: :lol:


Not only al ghassaniya but many other Tribes in arabia are from the himyarite tribes, there is still many today who still speak Tigre especially yemen, That is why in arab Gulf countries where they are of himyarite ancestory or mixed of Himyarite Tribes they tend to be very Generous and like Eritreans, Countries Like qatar/Emirates/Kuwait and west coast of saudi arabia Many of them would tell you they are arabised and not real arab and their ancestors would be kins to those who live in Eritrea Today, When you Invistigate the Habesh and agaizan History becareful not to confuse the two, Example when Abraha was send to take yemen he was under the Habesh King, while In eritrea the bahri negus was allied with their Himyarite Kins in yemen, so Ethiopia+habesh yemen vs Eritrea+Himyarite yemen. Abraha was reported to be beheaded and killed By an agazian prince from Eritrea Named "Zura". You need to stop Reading ethiopian sources it always has an agenda and lies alot, try greek,arabic and even jews sources because they didn't need to lie and all make sense. Remember in axumite period the Kingdom spent more time in a civil war than in peace.



Re: Hayal bahringa: Tell me who where the Agazians??

Postby Hayal_Bahrigna » 18 Oct 2011, 09:56


Ertrawnet wrote:Hayal bahringa,


I have a teory about who the agazians was, and i agree with you that they came from Arabia or Yemen, and they where Himyarites, they inhabited the capital city of marib in the Sabean kingdom.



The Azd or Al Azd, are an Arabian tribe. They were a branch of the Kahlan tribe, which was one of the two branches of Qahtan the other being Himyar.
In the ancient times, they inhabited Ma'rib, the capital city of the Sabaean Kingdom in modern-day Yemen. Their lands were irrigated by the Ma'rib Dam, which is thought by some to have been one of the Ancient World Wonders because of its size. When the dam collapsed for the third time in the 3rd century AD, a large number of the Azd tribe left Yemen and immigrated in many directions. Azd is also a widely used male name in Yemen




Later this pepole became Ghazzani or Ghassanids, they are famous for immigrating to the levant where they created another kingdom namley the ghassanid kingdom..Remember they where Orhodox christians before they left Yemen!!!


The Ghassanids (Arabic: الغساسنة‎) (al-Ghassaniya, also Banū Ghassān "Sons of Ghassān") were a group of South Arabian Christian tribes that emigrated in the early 3rd century from Yemen to Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and the Holy Land. The term Ghassān refers to the kingdom of the Ghassanids, an ancient Arab Christian kingdom in the Levant.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghassanids¨


























Some of the ghassanids are today called "Chrisitan palestines" and are Orthodox and among them there is pepole of Black Orgin

Celebration of epiphany

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christian
Old Pic from Ghassanid history books, one of them is clearly black
Image
School in syria called Al Ghassaniya









Also in Syria a there is Monestrey created by a monek who they called "Musa el habashi"






















Two famous Palestians of Al-Ghassani orgin who created PFLP they where freedomfighters or fedayeens

Geroge Habash

















Wadi Haddad













The word habehsa or abesha in amharic is connected to Kabessa, kabessa pepople did move southward and settled among the Agaws who they Christinaized. later the agaws adopted thier langauge and customs and started to call them selfs "abeshawi"= kabessawi

The Kebessawi Agazians created Debre sina in Anseba wich became the favorite spot of christian najranis of yemen, atcually they had thier own town calld hager nagran, at one point some of these kebessawi and Najranis moved southwards to spread christianity as prevoius Kebessawians had done, and created Debre Sina in monestery in Ethiopia!!



In 523-524 A.D. the remaints of the christian martyrs of Najran in Yemen came to Sahel, still known as Hagere Nagran, helped by Negus Kaleb. A swedish translation from a book found by R Sundstrom when he found this book in Debre Sina, 1910 ”The Martyrs in Nagranhttp://www.modaina.com/the_tribes ... thers.html


The first Popes of Roman church where Ghassanids and Agazians,but emperor Constantine of Rome later decided to erase everything about the "Egyptians"(Ghassanids) and the "Abessinians" (Agazians) from the Holy scriptures
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeQA0t38TWo&feature=related[/youtube]





















Do you think there is any connection between Al Ghassaniya and Agazaniya?? :lol: :lol:


One more thing kebessa means the opposite of agazian, meaning settling or gathering or squashing etc., to say kebes in agazian means to gather or settle, in refernce when the agaizians clans who wondered and finally settled down in the highland of eritrea they were refered to by that name, Many bani amer/habab/beja who settled in the highland over thousands of years in eritrean highland joined that group, and as more and more clans settled in eritrean highland over the last 4000 years they became part of the "kebessa" group, there is no evidence Amahara or Gurage came from Eritrea. The word habesha and kebessa are different, Both have origin in arabic although one seems to be adopted by the tigre, both origin are from ke.be.ss and ha.be.sha, one means to mix (Habesha) and the other means (Unite,Gather,etc.) Kebessa is not exclusive to agazians there is many kebessa who trace their origin to the red sea afars, Remember that the highland of Eritrea in 2000b.c was Red sea afars but were pushed south by the agazian Migartions, so many mixed and many returned to farm and leave their nomadic lifestyle behind.



Re: Hayal bahringa: Tell me who where the Agazians??

Postby Zack » 18 Mar 2013, 18:50


What ever happened to the belew people?

By the way what is the Haplogroup of the overall Agazian people and did beja came from Agazian tribes?



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