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Battle of Hazaloo of 1559-when oromos kicked the adal empires [deleted]!

Postby Sadacha Macca » 01 Jan 2018, 18:50


''While the Adal empire was getting ready to administer the defeated Abyssinian peoples, the Oromo engaged the army of the Adal empire in a fierce battle. At the end of the day, the Oromo army destroyed a huge army of the Adal empire which was equipped with the latest weapons of the times namely fire-arms in a famous battle of Hazaloo in 1559 [Hassan 1990: 27].
Once the Adal empire was cleared out of the way, the Oromo found it relatively easy to deal with the Abyssinian peoples because they were badly hit and weakened by the Adal army and hence were incapacitated to put up any effective resistance. It seems appropriate to emphasize that the Oromo people saved the Abyssinians from total Islamization and possible extinction under the Adal imperial rule. The Oromo drove away the Adals and the Abyssinians to any furthest possible secure limits. The Oromo occupied and settled on the territories evacuated by them. In fact, these territories were the homeland of the Cushtic peoples of which the Oromo is one of them/a member of. So, the lost lands went back to the rightful owners. This was truly an act of justice. The settlement of the Oromo on the newly recovered lands effectively created a physical separation between the Adals and the Abyssinians. The Oromo expanded and and established its administration on a large territory [Hess 1970: 12, Greenfield 1965: 53-57, Pankhurst 1961: 79-80, Buxton 1947: 51, Ullendorf 1965: 75, Keller 1988: 19-21].
The power resources at the disposal of the Oromo nation BY FAR exceeded the power resources of any actor. Actually, the power resources of the Oromo nation exceeded the power resources of three or more actors put together in Northeast Africa. The presence and active role of the Oromo helped restore peace in the region for three centuries at a stretch [Ullendorf 1965: 75, Lipsky 1962: 12-13, Levine 1974: 80, Deressa 1957].''

[Ethnicity, Politics, and Society in Northeast Africa: Conflict and Social Change
By Mohammed Ali, page 124]



Re: Battle of Hazaloo of 1559-when oromos kicked the adal empires [deleted]!

Postby Khysion » 01 Jan 2018, 19:12


Sadacha Macca: I read about this and I agree with it. However, it was actually the Portuguese that saved the Abbysinians from Somali Adalites and that's when Imam Ahmed died and that's how the kingdom got weakened thus the Oromo took advantage. But the source you shown me were talking about Imam Nur the successor of Imam Ahmed and that's how the Oromo expansion began on that time.

You forgot to cover some of these sources. Read below.

"After the death of the legendary commander Ahmad ibn Ibrahim al-Ghazi. A powerful leader succeeded him called Nur ibn Mujahid who hailed from the Marehan tribe which is a noble Somali clan. He was known for marrying the widow of Imam Ahmad ibn Ibrahim al-Ghazi and also known succeeding Imam Ahmad as leader of the Muslim forces fighting Christian Ethiopia.

After the Portuguese were able to restore Abbysinian Empire from the legendary Imam Ahmed. Iman Nur, the dead leader’s sister’s son, married Ahmad ibn Ibrahim al-Ghazi's firebrand widow, Bati del Wambara, and undertook to renew the fortunes of the Muslim city, which had been sacked in 1550. Promoted to Emir around 1550-51, he spent the next two years reorganizing his forces and constructing the defensive wall which still surrounds the city which were built by Somali engineers.

In 1554-55, Nur departed on a Jihad, or Holy War, in the eastern Ethiopian lowlands of Bale, and Hadiya. In 1559, he invaded Fatagar, where he fought against the Ethiopian emperor Galawdewos, and killed him in battle and the Abbysinian forces were destroyed and they ran back to their mountains fearing another massive Somali invasion could happen. Nur continued fighting for 12 years until, according to legend, at Gibe he said: "Kaffa!" meaning "enough" in Somali and Iman Nur returned to Adal homeland. Some believe the province is called Kaffa for this reason.

After Imam Nur was planning to gather all the northern Somali forces from Adal kingdom to plan another invasion and finish off Iman Ahmed's conquest and to also avenge him by conquering the Ethiopian highlands came with the surprise by the Oromos migrants who recently conquered many territories across the modern day of Ethiopia. Imam Nur knew that Oromos are currently a bigger threat than the Abbysinians who were hiding within their mountains. Iman Nur successfully conquered eastern Oromia and was able to spread Islam and thought this would end the Oromo expansion against the northern Somalis, he left Adal homeland and went to Hajj. During Nur’s absence, Adal kingdom witnessed internal power struggles, and the unlucky holy city called Harar was disturbed by encroaching Oromo clans. It was at this time that the walls of Harar were built; tradition attributes them to Nur ibn Mujahid with the help of two Somali chiefs, Ahu Abadir and Ahu 'Ali. By 1567, repeated Oromo raids had brought famine to the city. Nur left the city for three months on a punitive raid against the invaders. On his return he found an epidemic afflicting Harar, and he himself died of typhus that year. During his death and the weakening of Adal Sultanate, most of Hararghe were conquered by Oromos and the local Dir Somali population were absorbed into Afran Qallo the recent Islamized Oromos by Imam Nur. The northern Somali' were able to resist and not allow them to settle in their coast and were able to hold them off near Babille, Dire Dawa and around Fiq area. Other ethnic groups with their respected kingdoms across modern-day Ethiopia were conquered and assimilated into the Oromo confederation. Although the Christian highlanders of Abbysinian kingdom suffered way worse than the northern Somalis of Adal Sultanate. With the declining of the weakened Adal kingdom and Abbysinian kingdom heavily suffering from the encroaching Oromo clans ended the rivalry between the two dominant religious ethnic tribes that have been battling over dominance in the Horn of Africa for many centuries."

Here: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=B4N ... edir_esc=y



Re: Battle of Hazaloo of 1559-when oromos kicked the adal empires [deleted]!

Postby Sadacha Macca » 01 Jan 2018, 19:23


the Portuguese saved them, but this is talking about a specific battle, in a specific area.
the adalites had already defeated the Abyssinians there, then the oromos came, and saved the day, as they usually do/did.
the oromo took advantage? the oromo kicked [deleted], regardless of the situation.
the oromo lost lands to both muslim and christian empires, so of course, we fought for our basic survival at the time.
take advantage? the same way somalis took advantage of an ethiopia that was in an internal civil war in 1977-1978?



''The fighting between the abyssinian christians and the muslims did not end with grans defeat by the portuguese, and it was for many years a reoccurring feature of the Abyssinian scene. The Oromo peoples of the southern and western highlands watched this struggle with interest. They had suffered in their time from both parties, and were waiting in the wings for opportunities... to recover lands, which had been taken from them.''

[Tesema Ta'a: The Political Economy of an African Society in Transformation: The Case of Macca Oromo (Ethiopia), page 23]



Re: Battle of Hazaloo of 1559-when oromos kicked the adal empires [deleted]!

Postby Khysion » 01 Jan 2018, 19:48


Sadacha Macca: I think the source is talking about Imam Nur time, not Imam Ahmed time lol.

What are stolen lands you talking about? Shewa belongs to Amhara while Hararghe belongs to Somalis? Yes, I did hear Abbysinian Empire occupied parts of Oromo territory.

The Oromos that saved Abyssinians against the Somali Adalites was actually when Imam Nur was gathering all the northern Somali troops to do a round two religious invasion and Oromos got involved and messed up Imam Nur dream plan and I just showed you that with the previous source.

Oromos might have been getting their land back but at the same time, they weren't just coming for their land but others too.

Heres the source I gained from the Oromo migration book. Read below.

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Another source from Al-Futah Al-habesh about Dire Dawa.

"This city was originally called Dir Dhabe and use to be part of Adal Sultanate during the medieval times and was exclusively settled by Dir which is a major Somali tribe and after the kingdom got weakened, the Oromos were able to penetrate through it and settle into these areas."

Click on the reference when you read Dire Dawa history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dire_Dawa



Re: Battle of Hazaloo of 1559-when oromos kicked the adal empires [deleted]!

Postby Sadacha Macca » 01 Jan 2018, 20:27


It's talking before and after his time,because the muslim and christian kingdoms took lands from oromos, essentially; the oromos had to fight hard or perish.
and as usual, the oromo proved they were up to the challenge, and they kicked major [deleted], hence the reason they still occupy the best land in the horn of africa, and have the envious eyes of our neighbors constantly on us....

about shawa, even tho the oromos are the majority,
Shawa belongs to oromos, amharas, gurages, and the others who live there.
not to just one ethnic.


1527 – February 21, 1543 was imam ahmed's reign... and the battle of hazaloo took place in 1559.. so the numbers add up.. he was the muslim ruler of the time, in 1529....

we conquered just like somalis and everyone else did... to blame the oromo for doing what others did, is simply hypocrisy, b u l l s h i t and illogical....



Re: Battle of Hazaloo of 1559-when oromos kicked the adal empires [deleted]!

Postby Khysion » 01 Jan 2018, 21:23


Sadacha Macca: What did I say? I'm saying the source you're talking about the only reverse to Imam Nur which I agree on.

Look, we Somalis admit we conquered too. For example, we conquered Tana river in Kenya in the late 17th century against the Bantus and Oromos. But you Oromos need to admit that you have stolen lands from us and Abbysinians too in the 16th century like Shewa originally belong to the Abyssinians while Hararghe originally belongs to Somalis after the Oromo expansion. Both Somalis and Oromos have faults against each other.

As for the southern plain fertile lands like Jubba and Shabelle rivers and the southern coast have been exclusively settled by ethnic Somalis for thousands of years according to Ancient Greeks, Persians and Arabs.

It used to be part of the Somali city-states during the antiquity times than evolved into Mogadishu Sultanate in the 10th century and expanded into a powerful kingdom called Ajuuran Empire in the 13th century and later split into 2 kingdoms in the late 17th century which were successor states of Ajuuran Empire which is called Geledi Sultanate and Hiraab Sultanate and now is part of Somalia.

God bless the Ajuuran Empire's legacy which was stated to be the most powerful and advanced kingdom in Africa in its time and is also one of the most talked about civilizations of Africa.

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Study this amazingly advanced civilization: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajuran_Sultanate
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Re: Battle of Hazaloo of 1559-when oromos kicked the adal empires [deleted]!

Postby MoA-Ambesa » 02 Jan 2018, 00:59


Sadacha Macca wrote:''While the Adal empire was getting ready to administer the defeated Abyssinian peoples, the Oromo engaged the army of the Adal empire in a fierce battle. At the end of the day, the Oromo army destroyed a huge army of the Adal empire which was equipped with the latest weapons of the times namely fire-arms in a famous battle of Hazaloo in 1559 [Hassan 1990: 27].
Once the Adal empire was cleared out of the way, the Oromo found it relatively easy to deal with the Abyssinian peoples because they were badly hit and weakened by the Adal army and hence were incapacitated to put up any effective resistance. It seems appropriate to emphasize that the Oromo people saved the Abyssinians from total Islamization and possible extinction under the Adal imperial rule. The Oromo drove away the Adals and the Abyssinians to any furthest possible secure limits. The Oromo occupied and settled on the territories evacuated by them. In fact, these territories were the homeland of the Cushtic peoples of which the Oromo is one of them/a member of. So, the lost lands went back to the rightful owners. This was truly an act of justice. The settlement of the Oromo on the newly recovered lands effectively created a physical separation between the Adals and the Abyssinians. The Oromo expanded and and established its administration on a large territory [Hess 1970: 12, Greenfield 1965: 53-57, Pankhurst 1961: 79-80, Buxton 1947: 51, Ullendorf 1965: 75, Keller 1988: 19-21].
The power resources at the disposal of the Oromo nation BY FAR exceeded the power resources of any actor. Actually, the power resources of the Oromo nation exceeded the power resources of three or more actors put together in Northeast Africa. The presence and active role of the Oromo helped restore peace in the region for three centuries at a stretch [Ullendorf 1965: 75, Lipsky 1962: 12-13, Levine 1974: 80, Deressa 1957].''

[Ethnicity, Politics, and Society in Northeast Africa: Conflict and Social Change
By Mohammed Ali, page 124]


A certain GGGaaLlLaa composes and another GGGaallLaa cites it.

By that logic, if the Jews occupy Mecca, a semite homeland, it will be "truly an act of Justice" Even to bring this GGGaaLLLLaaa logic close to home, if the Somali occupy all of Hararghe and the adjoining territories currently occupied by GGGaallLLLaaa speakers, it will be a truly an act of Justice.
This is one instance why the Ethiopians say "ጋላ እና ሰገራ እያደረ ይገማል"

This is also another attempt by the GGGaaallllaaa tribal confederation to link itself to a Cush people and grab their glorious history. This despite the obvious fact that a GGGaaalllaaa has nothing to do with Kush. GGGaaallLLLaaa is just GGGallLLaaa!



Re: Battle of Hazaloo of 1559-when oromos kicked the adal empires [deleted]!

Postby Portlandia » 02 Jan 2018, 01:47


Sadacha, after the battle of hazalo, the oromo agreed to pay tax to harar and convert, because adal returned with a large army to confront them. was the conversion sincere? thats debatable. also oromo attacking harari populace when the army is not around to defend them is funny. when the army was in the area, the oromo claimed to be muslims :lol: Hararis depleted their resources on wars with Ethiopia while the renegade oromo/afar/somali were claiming islam subsequently attacking adal at the slightest chance. Read about it: https://books.google.ca/books?id=zpYBD3 ... el&f=false

Khysion, ajuran was a somali state that took advantage of adal's collapse. do you know ajuran pushed oromo onto harar which led to your clans getting assimilated? i guess you dont care because somalis can do no wrong. the great sultanate of mogadishu which was set up by hararis were wiped out by nomadic barbarians of the somali hawiye clan (ajuran) :lol:



Re: Battle of Hazaloo of 1559-when oromos kicked the adal empires [deleted]!

Postby Khysion » 02 Jan 2018, 03:11


Portlandia: Bro I'm going to merk you so much with historical facts that I'm going to send you back to Harar which were built and founded by Somalis. :lol:

You know Walashma dynasty that ruled the Walashma Kingdom, Ifat Sultanate and Adal Sultanate, right? Did you know the Garen Dynasty ruled Mogadishu Sultanate and Ajuuran Sultanate too? :lol:

Firstly, Ajuuran isn't Hawiye but decedent from Harmalle decedent which is brothers of IRIR. Also, Ajuuran are farmers and merchant backgrounds, they aren't nomadic at all. :lol:

Also, Mogadishu was founded by a Somali man called Fakhr al-Din and he hailed from a Somali tribe called Ajuuran and he was the founder of Garen Dynasty which established Mogadishu Sultanate during the 10th century and in the 13th century the kingdom he established had enlargened and covered most of southern Somalia and the western side of the Somali region of Ethiopia and they united with other Somali tribes such as Hawiye, Rahanweyn and southern Dir and the none-Ajuuran Somali tribes would be referred as Ajar and the kingdom formed into a powerful kingdom called Ajuuran Empire. Do you know how the kingdom collapsed? Because the Ajuurans heavily taxed Ajars and thus the rebellion was made in the late 17th century which led Hawiye and Rahanweyn union and defeated the Ajuuran rulers and they thus established their own kingdoms called Geledi Sultanate and Hiraab Sultanate which are successor states of Ajuuran Empire. Can you please stop claiming southern Somali history? You Harari's never stepped foot there so claiming it because it makes you guys look like a self-hating culture vultures. Study Ajuuran origins properly, they succeeded from Mogadishu Sultanate because the kingdom got bigger and stronger which became one of the greatest civilizations in Africa called Ajuuran Empire.

Here's a historical quote of Ajuuran Empire supporting Adal Sultanate from Al-Fatah Al-Habesh.

"The Garen Dynasty from Mogadishu the capital of Ajuuran Empire also sent their Somali mercenaries to support the Adal Sultanate's struggle. "

Listen Oromos were expanding towards to the fertile plain lands of Jubba and Shebella rivers and even to southern coast filled with many flourishing rich ports and Ajuuran Empire simply defended their territory and Oromos than realized that Ajuuran Empire is extremely powerful so they focused on Adal Sultanate and Abyssinian kingdom.

"In the mid-16th century, the Oromo Nation began expanding from its homeland around Lake Abaya in southern Ethiopia towards the southern Somali coast at the time when the Ajuran was at the height of its power. The Garen rulers conducted several military expeditions known as the Galla Madow wars against the Oromo warriors, converting those that were captured to Islam. The Ajuran military supremacy forced the Oromo conquerors to reverse their migrations towards the Abyssinian Christian Solomonids and the Somali Muslim Adalites, devastating the two warring empires in the process."

Again, you showed sources from Richard Pankhurst who is known as a pathological liar who despised Somalis and he admitted this because he visited Somalia and face discrimination so he lied about them historically. However, the majority of scholars have debunked his claims sadly, so don't bother showing his sources again. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Adal Sultanate belong to ethnic Somalis and Harari people historically have been surrounded, protected and ruled by Somalis historically. Your people were seen nothing more but religious people of Harar.

Did you know Harar was founded and built by Somalis? Even though Harar traditionally belong to Harari people. Somalis have historically settled across the entire Hararghe highlands during the medieval times way before Galla expansion took place. Harari people only lived in Harar and its outskirts, but Somalis have a historical connection in that city. For example, some governors/Emirates of Harar were Somalis and the buildings and walls were mostly built by Somali engineers from Adal Sultanate. Harar historically was surrounded, governed and protected by Somalis. So technically it's our property and you know the thread I made about the battle of Harar during the Ethio-Somali war? Well, guess what? Harari people also sided with the Somalis because historically they were always part of the Somali domain.

In fact, the founder of Harar was a Somali man belonging to the Dir origin called "Abadir ibn Musa ibn Warwa’Jecle (Somali: Abaadir Muuse Warwaaqjecle) dubbed as the principal patron saint and first Emir of Harar, was the most celebrated Somali figure and one of the earliest propagators of Islam in the city of Harar. He introduced Islam at a very early period before the Ethiopians (Abyssinians) first gained a footing there.

Source: http://www.somalimind.com/2012/06/emir- ... warwajele/



Re: Battle of Hazaloo of 1559-when oromos kicked the adal empires [deleted]!

Postby Portlandia » 02 Jan 2018, 04:58


Khysion, you reject Somali testimonies, european experts, harari historians and everyone else. Infact you go to great lengths to delete the posts i made about it because your a cry baby. sober up from camel milk withdrawal :lol: Horn of Africa had one capital in the middle ages and it wasnt dirisalam :P

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