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Re: List of the places names that were changed and it's ppl that were slaughtered by galla invasion (Disturbing!)

Postby Amara Sayint » 19 Dec 2017, 05:00


Woyannies are well known for their aversion to responsibilities. They never own up to their mistakes, blunders, or crimes - deliberate or otherwise. Have you noticed that, there is always something they've done identical to what they're accusing Oromos or Amharas of doing (or have done); and this way they think they can sweep their own serious violations and crimes against these two ethnic groups under the carpet and save own skin.



Re: List of the places names that were changed and it's ppl that were slaughtered by galla invasion (Disturbing!)

Postby Atse Lebna Dengel » 19 Dec 2017, 10:00


Khysion,

Yes, Hadiya and Sidama had their own sultanate and Kingdom respectively in medieval times, but some of their ppl were also present in Bale. They were also inhabited Fetegar, Weji, Dawaro and some others. Before the galla expansion, there was a great Sidama expansion in Ethiopia (happened after Damot pagan queen "Gudit" laid waste to the Aksumite empire).



Re: List of the places names that were changed and it's ppl that were slaughtered by galla invasion (Disturbing!)

Postby Khysion » 19 Dec 2017, 14:05


Atse Lebna Dengel: Brother, you're contradicting yourself. Bale Sultanate was never mentioned as a multi-ethnic kingdom. It was considered as a Somali Muslim Sultanate founded in the 10th century that had close alliances with their Somali kin from the north of Adal Sultanate and from the south of Ajuuran Empire.

So what if Sidamo expanded? Did you not read my historical quote I shown you? Somali's expanded in the Bale mountains during the 6th century. Read again, I'll try to make it smaller so you can understand better.

"The ethnic Somalis expanded from the northern coast of Somalia and settled in the Bale Mountains during the 6th century and established a kingdom during the 10th century.

There is no documents of Sidamo or Hadiya living with the Somali's in the Bale mountains. Sidamo are pagans who had their own kingdom, you really think Somali's are going to share with them? As for Hadiye, they are located quite far from the Sidamo up north and plus they had their own kingdom, so it doesn't make sense for them to live in Bale mountains. In fact, Bale Sultanate had Somali scripts stating that Sidamo and Hadiya people had their own kingdoms and were concentrated around lake of Abaya and were simply neighbours to the Somali Bale kingdom which debunks your claim.

They lived at Dawaro? Uno, dude you're losing it. :lol:

Have you ever heard of Dawaro Sultanate? It was also considered as a Somali Muslim Sultanate founded around the 10th century by the jarso people a sub-clan of Dir and was concentrated around Hararghe.

Learn the history of Dawaro Sultanate.

"Emperor Amda Seyon I of Abyssinia conquered many of the adjacent independent Muslim sultanates during his reign. In 1329, Sulṭān Ḥaydar of Dawaro was captured and imprisoned together with his ally Sulṭān Sabir ad-Dīn Maḥamed. Despite several rebellions and a brief period when Ahmeduddin Badlay a powerful Somali ruler from Adal Sultanate captured Dawaro and turned it into a vessal of Adal state and after the Adal kingdom was weakened, the opportunist Oromos captured the state and assimilated the local native Somali population. Just like many Somali's across Hararghe, the Jarso people were also assimilated into the Oromo confederation after the weakening of Adal Sultanate."

Proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?ti ... =815203620

Also, they never lived at Weji. That area was purely settled by Gurage and they had their own Muslim kingdom in Ethiopia during the medieval times called Arababni Sultanate, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultanate_of_Arababni

Before you state something ludicrous. How about you show some sources?



Re: List of the places names that were changed and it's ppl that were slaughtered by galla invasion (Disturbing!)

Postby Atse Lebna Dengel » 19 Dec 2017, 20:05


Khysion,

I know Bale sultanate was Somalia and that's Somalia were majority on the mountains part, but there were Hadiya and Sidama also. They were also present in Dawaro, Fetegar and others. Just because they had their separate sulfur and kingdom respectively doesn't mean they can't be present in another area. Amara, Agew, Afar, Gurage, Argobba and many others had lived outside of their empire/sultanate/kingdom in the past, so Hadiya and Sidama living in Bale wasn't a unique thing.

Here is a source stating that Hadiya-Sidamo inhabited some parts of Bale while Christians inhabited some parts also (the Christians came after Bale was conquered by Atse Amde Seyon I),
- https://hadiyadaily.wordpress.com/2015/ ... mmary/amp/
- http://anthromadness.blogspot.com/2015/ ... s.html?m=1

I can also bring you other sources if you want. :lol:



Re: List of the places names that were changed and it's ppl that were slaughtered by galla invasion (Disturbing!)

Postby Khysion » 19 Dec 2017, 21:33


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Now you're saying Hadiye and Sidamo lived some parts of Bale mountains? Ok, did you know that the entire Bale mountains is located in Bale region right? Well, read this quote from below.

"The Sultanate of Bale was a Somali Muslim Sultanate founded in the 10th century located around the Bale Mountains of the southern Ethiopian Highlands and the Horn of Africa. It corresponds roughly to the modern Bale Zone of the Oromia Region in Ethiopia."

So no, they didn't live in an inch of it because it was settled exclusively by the Somali's and the sultanate left an extensive architectural legacy, the native Somali's engaged in castle, buildings and fortress building. They left scripts and agricultural tools, it shows you that there was a civilization existing on those mountains and they were ethnic Somali's.

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I got this historical piece of quote from the "Southern Ethiopian medieval history". It clearly states that they were neighbours but they never lived in the present day of Bale mountains. Just because they were neighbours doesn't necessarily mean they were present in the Bale mountains. :lol:

Now really? Are we going to use blogs which anyone can make? I can make my own blog and say Abbysinians were originally Gallas. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ok, nuff with the jokes. Do you honestly believe in your right mind the arrogant greedy Somali's who are well known for being religious and xenophobic people at the same time will share with Sidamo to live in their kingdoms who are pagans themselves? :lol: :lol: :lol: You're legit contradicting yourself. :lol:

Being neighbours with someone doesn't mean that you own some of his lands, do you understand? Unless you're talking about merchants travelling from different lands, then ofcourse because that's how your kingdoms economy drive.

I'm sorry, I'm going to have to disagree with you on Dawaro part. They were settled by Jarso people which is a sub-clan of Dir a major Somali tribe. Dawaro Sultanate was founded by Jarso people in the 10th century and later became a vessel state of Adal Sultanate.

I don't understand what's your agenda with Somali history but what benefits does it bring in creating historical revisionism against the Somali's? They are not your enemy anymore, Somalis are not interested in invading the Abyssinian highlands again. That's so 15 century! Somali's enemy right now are the Gallas who took parts of our historical territory when we were weakened just like you people so it's best us to unite and drive them out of our historical territory and also assimilate the ones that Gallas assimulated against our people during the 16th century.



Re: List of the places names that were changed and it's ppl that were slaughtered by galla invasion (Disturbing!)

Postby gadaa2 » 20 Dec 2017, 00:51


I dont get it can you make it short. We are too busy this days planning how to get rid of cocorach TPLF and Abdi Iley.



Re: List of the places names that were changed and it's ppl that were slaughtered by galla invasion (Disturbing!)

Postby Atse Lebna Dengel » 20 Dec 2017, 05:03


Khysion,

Pls don't talk nonsense. I didn't specificity said Hadiya and Sidama lived in Bale mountain rather some parts of Bale. I've no agenda against Somalia and don't forget that I said Bale sultanate is a Somalia and Bale mountain were majority inhabited by Somalia back then. Somalia were migrant to Bale and what made you think that Hadiya and Sidama can also do that when there are abundance evidences supporting it?

I clearly know that galla is the enemy who we must look at, but you are the one making this conversation like it's. Just accept the fact and move on. Search online if you want and will get abundance sources starting Hadiya was present in Bale back then. After the galla invasion, they were slaughtered and gallanized just like the Somalia there were slaughtered and gallanized by savage galla.

You source is only showing that Bale sultanate belongs to Somalia and Somalia inhabited Bale, not disproving the presence of Hadiya-Sidama there. Here is one of the many other sources proving my claim right,
- http://booksandjournals.brillonline.com ... awler=true



Re: List of the places names that were changed and it's ppl that were slaughtered by galla invasion (Disturbing!)

Postby Khysion » 20 Dec 2017, 09:55


Atse Lebna Dengel: Are you basically implying that Bale Sultanate was a multi-ethnic state? :lol:

Because there is no historical source indicating that. It evidently states it as a "Somali Muslim Sultanate".

My source is legitimate because it clearly states that Somali from Bale Sultanate were neighbours with the Sidamo Kingdom and Hadiya Sultanate, but they never lived with Somali's since Somali's are very religious, xenophobic and territorial people.

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Here: https://wordery.com/layers-of-time-paul ... a4QAvD_BwE

Did you not read where Somali expanded in Bale mountains in the 6th century from the northern coast of Somalia? They took over the Bale mountains long ago with their expansion and established a kingdom in the 10th century. Now Gallas expanded into those mountains and they own it now, but back then it was owned by Somalis and before that were probably ancient Cushitic people.

Also, how am I talking nonsense? Yes, you said they lived in some parts of Bale mountains and I debunked that claim. Read my previous comment. It states that Bale Sultanate was the same size of Bale zone and did you know that the entire Bale mountains is located within Bale zone?

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